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what was name of mountain?
it is almost prophetic Peduyei Shevi
It already was in line 2 - “prisoners”
Bialik? Meitei Midbar?
what year was it written?
what year was the broadcast?
Actually not sure it was Masada...
What a wonderful treat to hear the 3 v!
I still like th most fnos version the best.
As a young American woman living in Israel, when I heard this song for the first time I was very disgusted and amazed that my husband and all the Israelis I know loved this song and danced to it and they could not understand why I thought the song was so discriminating (like many other famous and popular songs from this period)
Linda Henry Goodman
There was a line in "Goodbye Girl" where Richard Dreyfuss says to Marsha Mason, "you say no no, but there's yes yes in your eyes." ………….
Of course this is dreadful. But in truth the pop songs in N. America were no better, and even the supposedly ‘hip’ groups like the Rolling Stones etc…and now we have rap and hip hop.
It's the same with the Bruce Springstein song Fire, which is even worse. Something like the Your lips say No, but your eyes tell me yes.
But now "No means no" is not sufficient for many. Rather many say the woman has to explicitly say 'yes."
Here are the Bruce Springsteen lyrics:
al tikrah li Matilda, Corine alal,was she inspired by this?
I'm driving in my carI turn on the radioI'm pulling you closeYou just say noYou say you don't like itBut girl I know you're a liar'Cause when we kissOoh, fire
al tikrah li matuk
Composer felt terrible and added a new verse - she meant NO when she said no
Yes, I agree times change and we all feel regret for things before we understood...
but when he composed it, how could he possibly think it would be interpreted in any other way!!!!!
1940s song popular by Eddy Howard: lips tell me no, no But there's yes, yes in your eyes I've been missin your kissin Just because I wasn't wise I'll stop my scheming… …and dreaming Cause I realize Your lips tell me no, no But there's yes, yes in your eyes I never knew just what to do You had me… …fooled somehow You made me guess, but I confess I know your secret now Your lips tell me no, no But there's yes, yes in your eyes…
the boys were acquitted in the original trial
tier he should have said stop singing it!!!!
Baby it’s cold outside says the same thing
BUt this is SO much more explicit? What did he think he meant when he composed it
This poster was with me al through University years in the early Seventies in Boston. I saved it for years. Wonderful memory.
and Song of Songs is about Israel, hum
I am not a man, so I can only give my female perspective Stanley, but I believe that men approach relationships with a woman with a sense of confusion, mixed messages, confusion...that first kiss, that first hand-in-hand...and the song tried to convey this, but...
What would happen if the pronoun were in the masculine? ke she-hu omer lo... If you are dealing with the Israeli bureaucracy , you learn very soon as I did during a sabbatical year in Israel that "The first no doesn't count."
Unbelievable that they were acquitted initially. She apparently consented to be gang raped.
But what happens when the man ignortes soed no or the tghird?
the man ignores the second "no" or the 'third"?
Joe, If it was a woman asking the question, she would be considered "promiscuous"
was there a subsequent conviction?
what year did Naomi Shemer write this?
Susanspitz: I assume they were originally acquitted not because she consented, but because supposedly the young men could not be expected to realize she was actually refusing, Either way, it's terrible. In any event, verdict was overturned.
In both songs, the music is very catching, which probably contributes to their popularity.
Baruch: That was the decision of Justice Chessin.
1966, I believe
In Flanders field the poppies grow
The killing fields-Vietnam
No, in Cambodia
pumpkin flowers in Lebanon - Friedman ...
Where Have All the Flower Gone? Gone to soldiers everyone one (Bob Dylan)
flower songs in Israel
\Madene- “Stanley” is actually Joanne, quite female!
Linda Henry Goodman
Who was that singing just now please?
Elinoar Almagor’s iPad
Thank you from Dan for recognizing his more controversial works here. his daughter (Elinoar:and granddaughter (Avigail) are enjoying the class
Like Woody Allen and Marshall Mcluhan
Such an interesting juxtaposition of the tone of the poem and the music.
I'm not sure it works.
from sorrel - remember what was done to us, and do unto others what you would like done to you.
all those akidah poems that equate sending our sons to war as a sacrifice like Issac
Torah reading on Shabbat Zachor before Purim.
I was referring to the juxtaposition of words and music
Shabbat Shalom, everyone, I have to go. Marion
Re Sorel's comment on “pumpkin flower” by Matti Friedman, my understanding is that that is code used in IDF opertions for a 'wounded soldier”.
Toda Rabba Shabbat Shalom
where have all the flowers gone was not dylan. it was Pete Seeger and weavers and by Peter Paul. sand Mary
Imperatives was a very interesting theme. Todah rabah.
Thank you so much, Rachel!
Eli Havivi’s iPhone
thank you Rachel. Shabbat shalom!
sorry. typo. Extraordinary class that shows how poetry and literature are reflections of culture and society. What was once acceptable becomes unacceptable as cultural norms shift. This poem beautifully illustrates exactly that. Thanks for the beautiful analysis!!
I stand corrected on Where Have All the Flowers Gone. It was indeed Pete Seeger
AS always, Todah Rabbah, Rachel...What a week!
Yom yerushalaim sameach
Thank you for bringing this to us. We know and often do not speak.
Shabbat Shalom L’kulam!
As always, todah rabba v’ shabbat shalom!