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WEB 1075 Entitlement to NHS Health Care and Charging: Representing Migrant Clients in the Hostile Environment - Shared screen with speaker view
alison harvey
15:29
Alison Harvey No5 Chambers London
Jes Rohit
15:55
Hi All I am Jes from 4A Law in the Gatwick area
Lumturi Podrimaj
15:57
Hi All, Lumturi from Advice NI, Northern Ireland
Chiara Mancuso
15:58
Morning everyone, Chiara Mancuso, from Breytenbachs, London
Inger den Haan
15:58
Inger den Haan, Freedom from Torture West Midlands Centre
Amanda Gibson
16:06
Amanda Gibson, Citizens Advice Sheffield.
Cath Watkins CLEAR Project
16:06
Cath Watkins, Refugee Advice Worker at City Life Education and Action for Refugees (CLEAR Project) in Southampton
Aggie (MCNI)
16:07
Hi Everyone. Aggie Luczak - Migrant Centre NI based in Northern Ireland.
Sue Shutter
16:08
Hello, Sue Shutter from Slough Immigration Aid Unit
Sarah-Jane Coyle
16:10
Hi, I'm Sarah-Jane from STEP NI
Anna Watterson
16:16
Hi All
Amira Rady - Training Officer
16:16
Morning everyone, thank you so much for joining us today. As mentioned, it would be great if you could introduce yourselves in the chat. Let us know what organisation you’re working for and where you’re joining us from the UK.
Nikki de Prey
16:17
Hi, Nikki de Prey, de Prey Consulting, Edinburgh
Naomi Turner
16:21
Hi, Naomi Turner from Jesuit Refugee Service in London
Anna Watterson
16:25
Anna Watterson 1MCB chambers
Mercedes Diaz
16:33
Mercedes Diaz from RAMFEL
Ayesha Mohsin
16:38
Hello, Ayesha Mohsin from Kalayaan
Giusi Barbagallo
16:40
Hi, I am Giusi Barbagallo from South West Law in Bristol
Samuel Njogu
16:41
Hi, Samuel Njogu from 3CS Solicitors, London
Marcela Navarrete
16:45
Hi Marcela Navarrete at Wilson Solicitors
Amira Rady - Training Officer
17:08
Morning everyone, I’m the training officer at ILPA and I’m based in East London
Sarah Woods
17:11
Hello, I am immigration and advice worker from Student Advice centre, Sheffield University Students Union.
Rashdah Kauser
17:15
Hi, Rashdah Kauser at CAS, based in Sheffield
Mercedes Diaz
17:27
Hi does any body have problems with the audio? it echoes and cant hear
Christopher Desira
17:27
Hi, Chris Benn from Seraphus Solicitors
Emily Ball
17:29
Hello, I'm Emily Ball from Stone King in Cambridge
Melanie Vasselin
17:38
Morning, I'm Melanie from RAMFEL in London
Clare sikorska
17:52
morning! clare from RAMFEL, london
Anton Koval
17:57
Hello. Anton Koval @ Legal Centre here.
Amelia Smithers
17:59
Hello, everyone. I'm Amelia. I presently live outside the UK and am a non-practising barrister. I plan to go back to the UK later this year to practise immigration law at the Bar.
Sue Shutter
34:20
I am contesting a non-EU family member who was charged for her Caesarean in 2019, at a time before UKVI had recognised her as a family member, arguing that she had always had EU status since her marriage and NHS entitlement - the hospital is not replying...
Nikki de Prey
43:53
When I lived in the US, I came back with my family on holiday (we’re all British), and my baby needed a GP visit. We were charged. Though not ordinarily resident, it sounds like we shouldn’t have been because it was GP only??
Crystal Balish
44:39
If a visitor is pregnant, her boyfriend has ILR in the UK, must she pay for regular checks and eventually child birth ?
Duduzile Moyo
47:27
I am wondering about many of our clients who are in limbo, i.e. yet to submit Human rights applications who incurr NHS charges prior to their applications being determined.
Crystal Balish
47:49
Thanks very much
Sonia Cala-Lesina
48:09
If kids are born in the UK, to an overstayer, are they allowed to use NHS?
Anna Watterson
48:24
Am I right to think a parent is liable for their child's charges?
Sonia Cala-Lesina
50:26
that is so helpful thank you!
alison harvey
50:57
Not suree about child born here - because not remoeveable
Sue Shutter
51:27
following on from Anna's question, when a child is in the UK but there is no-one with formal parental responsibility, would a trust pursue a claim for payment in the child's name?
Nikki de Prey
51:52
Does A&E fall under Primary Care and therefore not chargeable?
Nikki de Prey
52:31
Thanks!
Amira Rady - Training Officer
56:36
As Christine and Kamla have highlighted, the work that Maternity Action undertake is vital in supporting so many of your clients. I’ve sent this out previously but just to remind you here is where you can support Maternity Action if you can - https://www.justgiving.com/campaign/maternityaction
Inger den Haan
58:40
I assume a Reasonable Grounds Decision for this purpose gets cancelled out by a negative CGD?
Inger den Haan
59:07
AH, too quick, thanks for the answer.
Kamla Adiseshiah
59:35
An RG decision is not cancelled by a negative CG decision but the exempt period comes to an end.
Inger den Haan
01:00:05
I know that, I meant for the purpose of charging.
Kamla Adiseshiah
01:21:23
Also OVT email address is on back of invoice
Crystal Balish
01:30:21
Following on my question, if the mother is a visitor, but the baby is British, the mother should not be charged for maternity care at all?
Christine Benson
01:34:35
If the mother is a visitor, she is chargeable for her maternity care even if her baby is British
Crystal Balish
01:37:20
Thanks a lot Christine. However I have clients in this situation who were told by NHS they don’t have to pay for maternity care. I wonder if Scotland is different from England?
Christine Benson
01:37:37
Ah, Scotland is entirely different!
Christine Benson
01:38:01
There are different regulations in Scotland and an entirely different approach to NHS charging in Scotland
Mercedes Diaz
01:48:29
Hi, what is the situation when the applicant claimed asylum and this was refused and not appealed or the asylum claim was withdrawn . and years later the applicant incurs an nhs bill. can the exemption apply? thank you
Anna Watterson
01:54:31
Looks like reg 4(4) makes parent responsible for a chargeable child's charges. On what basis do you ask for them to be written off? I am thinking of a case I know of involving special care for premature baby
Mercedes Diaz
01:54:53
in one of my cases, the clt came as EU family member but was refused entry, she was detained, during which time she claimed asylum, the asylum claim did not succeed but she was released and remains in UK as non EEA FM however without permission in the process to make a EUSS application. meantime she has NHS charged due to pregnancy misscarriage. can any exemptions apply ? thank you!
Anna Watterson
01:55:57
thanks
Sue Shutter
02:00:13
if a child is in the UK without her parents - father has skipped bail and disappeared, parents are separated and mother is abroad, child is with grandparents and has no immigration status, child had accident and hospital treatment, will they continue to pursue claim for payment in child's name?
Marcela Navarrete
02:00:37
Is there any scope in your opinion for challenging the restriction on fiancees from accessing maternity services? do you have experience of challenging a charge (if applied)?
Mercedes Diaz
02:00:45
Thank you so much !
Anna Watterson
02:01:43
(4) Where an overseas visitor is a child, the person liable to pay charges under these Regulations is the person with parental responsibility for that child.
Anna Watterson
02:01:50
ie child not liable
Anna Watterson
02:03:39
Just because the mother isn't here doesn't mean the mother doesn't in theory have the parental responsibility (which is defined in family law)
Marcela Navarrete
02:06:50
Thanks
Sue Shutter
02:07:44
thank you, I will hope to hear further from the family
NIKE maguire
02:10:17
Thanks Kam, Christine and ILPA for an excellent conference/webinar
Inger den Haan
02:10:24
Thank you, this was really good. It appears that the best thing that could happen is a lot of training for hospital trusts!
Amanda Gibson
02:10:25
Thank you
Clare sikorska
02:10:26
thanks!
Jes Rohit
02:10:27
Thank you this has been really interesting and so valuable.
Sarah Woods
02:10:32
thank you really informative session
Iskra Nikolic Uskokovic
02:10:34
thank you.
Suzanne Abdulhadi
02:10:34
Thank you; this was very helpful!
Crystal Balish
02:10:34
Thanks so much.
Nikki de Prey
02:10:34
Ditto, many thanks!!
Anna Watterson
02:10:36
Yes - excellent and fascinating
Rashdah Kauser
02:10:37
Thank you, really interesting and informative
Eva Doerr
02:10:42
It has been incredibly useful - thanks so much
Sonia Cala-Lesina
02:10:42
thank you very much!
Iskra Nikolic Uskokovic
02:10:47
Are you going to share the slides
Miriam Katche
02:10:49
Thank you. It was a really interesting and useful session.
Giusi Barbagallo
02:10:50
very informative! Thank you!
Christopher Desira
02:10:53
Very interesting and information. Thanks
Marcela Navarrete
02:10:59
thank you both. really excellent training
Chiara Mancuso
02:11:03
I agree with Anna. Thank you Kamla and Chistine and thanks Ilpa for organising it. I believe that there would be many issues over the next few months in regard to EEA natioanals who fail to registser under the EUSS or were not exercising TRs. we will see!
Lumturi Podrimaj
02:11:09
Thank you very much!
Sacha Levine
02:11:20
Thank you! It was an extremely interesting session
Sue Shutter
02:11:20
thank you to all