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Webinar: Plating Up Progress: how can investors, businesses and governments build towards a healthier and more sustainable food industry post-pandemic? - Shared screen with speaker view
Roz Salik
23:40
Welcome everyone!
Hannah Graham
30:37
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Will Nicholson
31:30
Jeremy IlesGreen Future Associates - Urban Agriculture Consortium07950 266389greenfuture.org.uk
Will Nicholson
32:39
Mick Marston organic farmer
David Bennell- WBCSD
33:18
David Bennell-WBCSD. bennell@wbcsd.org
Stephanie Walton
33:51
Stephanie Walton, Centre for Food Policy, stephanie.walton@city.ac.uk
jeremy iles
34:16
hi Mick
Edwina Hughes
34:54
Hi all - Edwina Hughes here from World Resources Institute working particularly on shifting diets - hi! Interested to hear the findings of the Food Foundation. Congrats on recent coverage on Channel 4 News!
Will Nicholson
35:08
Marta Antonelli, Barilla Foundation Marta.antonelli@external.barillacfn.com
Nikki Wilkinson
36:17
Nikki Wilkinson, MSc student Food Policy at City, nicola.wilkinson@city.ac.uk
Jennifer Constantine
36:28
Hello All, and congratulations to the Food Foundation and partners for their excellent work. Jennifer Constantine, King's College London, jennifer.constantine@kcl.ac.uk
Will Nicholson
37:07
Lissa Glasgo, Global Impact Investing Network (GIIN)'s IRIS+ team, lglasgo@thegiin.org
Katarzyna Dembska
37:11
Hello, Katarzyna Dembska, Barilla Foundation, katarzyna.dembska@external.barillacfn.com
Joe Mann - Food Teachers Centre
37:16
Good afternoon, Joe Mann here. I am a Food Teacher and Senior Associate at the Food Teachers Centre (association of all Food Teachers). jmann@tggsacademy.org
Roberta Iley
37:29
hi all! Roberta Iley working on Sustainable Nutrition at Forum for the Future - and specifically facilitating The Protein Challenge 2040
Will Nicholson
38:16
Hello everyone, Claudia Tarry on behalf of Friends of the Earth. claudia.tarry@foe.co.uk
G.Verdier
38:24
Gaspard Verdier - Impact Investment advisor to Fondation Daniel & Nina Carasso gasverdier@gmail.com
Will Nicholson
38:27
Hi all, Maliha Muzammil here. Research Fellow working on food systems and climate change at Chatham House.
Martin Lines
38:37
Afternoon, Martin Lines arable farmer and UK chair Nature Friendly Farming Network (NFFN)
Alison Midgley_WWF
38:50
Hi all, Alison Midgley from WWF Finance Team, working on sustainable food systems, and deforestation free commodities, as well as material risk to unsustainable food/seafood systems
Lydia Carter
39:04
Afternoon, Lydia Carter - Public Health Programme Officer - Place, from Birmingham City Council
Dan Crossley
39:40
Hi everyone, Dan here from the Food Ethics Council. Well done Will and the team at Food Foundation for this important work.
Kim Kirchherr
39:53
Hello to all - Kim Kirchherr, dietitian working across food supply chain. Located just outside of Chicago, IL.
Juliane Caillouette Noble
40:33
Hi all, Juliane Caillouette Noble from the Sustainable Restaurant Association here, really excited about this work Will
Pedro Costa
40:54
Hello everyone! Pedro Costa - Good Food in Greenwich Strategic Lead - Greenwich Cooperative Development Agency (GCDA)
Roz Salik
40:55
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WWF - David Edwards
41:06
Greetings all. David Edwards here, Director Food Strategy at WWF-Uk (and proud FF trustee!) one of a few WWF colleagues listening in to this valuable initiative on a key focus agenda for us.
Will Nicholson
41:07
Good evening everyone..Rijuta Pandav from FSSAI, New Delhi...working on the Eat Right India movement. Very grateful for this opportunity to learn. Email is rijuta23@yahoo.com.
Tilly Jarvis
41:10
Hi everyone, Tilly Jarvis here from SOS-UK working on sustainable food, food growing, and farming in UK universities and colleges, www.sos-uk.org. Thank you for this webinar - such important work.
David Bennell- WBCSD
41:14
Link to the report that: https://foodfoundation.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Plating-up-Progress-2020.pdf
Jessica Goble
41:58
Hi all, Jessica Goble, Programme Manager at Living Wage Foundation, jessica.goble@livingwage.org.uk. Very keen to understand how we can support businesses to pay the Living Wage and improve their Social Inclusion score through accrediting with the Foundation
Will Nicholson
42:03
Hi All Lynne Hindmarch - Greggs Foundation Breakfast Club Manager - working together is making change
Marie-Stéphane Maradeix
42:08
Hello to all, Marie-Stéphane Maradeix from the Daniel and Nina Carasso Foundation. Very proud to have supported the PUP research from the beginning. Next step : PUP in France and other countries...
Duncan Williamson
43:33
Hi Duncan, freelance food systems advisor, working with Nourish Scotland on the Glasgow Process, and others.
Katy Ellwood
44:05
Hello! Katy Ellwood from Too Good To Go helping businesses reduce their food waste Kellwood@toogoodtogo.co.uk
Viktoria de Bourbon Parme (World Benchmarking Alliance)
44:08
Hi everyone! Viktoria here, Food Transformation Lead at the World Benchmarking Alliance, assessing 350 global Food & Ag companies on Environment, Social Inclusion & Nutrition (v.debourbon@worldbenchmarkingalliance.org)
Nameeta Baichoo
44:11
Hello everyone, Nameeta Baichoo here, food and sustainability professional is keen interest in sustainable food systems
Elena Salazar - Eating Better
44:21
Hi everyone, Elena Salazar here, Policy Manager at the Eating Better alliance, elena@eating-better.org
Marcus Wilert
45:28
Hi all, Marcus Wilert here from Responsible Investment at BMO GAM.
Caroline Boden
45:29
Hi all, Caroline Boden here, Director of Shareholder Advocacy at Mercy Investment Services based in the US. We engage F&B manufacturers, retailers, and restaurants on nutrition, food waste, and sustainable food production issues.
Will Nicholson
45:32
please could we have limk for WWF report mentioned
andrew stephen
46:21
Hello everyone. Andrew from the SRA here (with some team members). Great job Will and team… QUESTION: How does this PUP work help create a simple definition of healthy sustainable food sales? We might see another Eat Out to Help Out scheme next year… and wouldn’t it be great if it was only based on these! (Would certainly incentivise the shift we want businesses to make). andrew@thesra.org
Indu
47:04
Hi everyone, please feel free to input any questions in the chat box!
Will Nicholson
47:59
Is this standardised data approach you suggest working with Sustainable Food Trusts’ harmonised sustainability metrics ELMs trial?
Will Nicholson
48:11
great question Andrew SRA
Lydia Stratton
48:24
Hello everyone, Lydia Stratton, Business & Brand Consultant for the GLOBALG.A.P. @GGN.ORG stratton@globalgap.org - covers good agricultural practice, transparency, sustainability.
Roz Salik
49:18
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Jennifer Fearing
49:18
Thanks for this panel today. My name is Jennifer Fearing and I run a small govt relations firm in Sacramento, California (US) that represents among others the Plant Based Foods Association, Center for Food Safety, and Community Alliance with Family Farmers. Email: jennifer@fearlessadvocacy.com
Edwina Hughes
49:39
@Helen sustainable products versus sustainable practices is sometimes misunderstood - a fairly subtle point worth attention!
Helen Breewood
50:35
Hi everyone, Helen Breewood from Table, formerly known as the Food Climate Research Network. https://www.tabledebates.org/about
Will Nicholson
50:43
Hi all, my names Dr Amy Bannerman - working at Imperial College London on 'Lifestyle Medicine and Prevention module' for future doctors and public health registrar working in local authority. a.bannerman@imperial.ac.uk
Will Nicholson
51:39
I think DEFRA ELMS trials are looking very much from the farmer prespective and their work to improve their performance ,not just production
Ursula Arens
52:10
Hi all, Ursula Arens: member of British Dietetic Association ‘One blue Dot’ project on environmentally sustainable diets.
Dan Crossley
54:34
QUESTION/S: Harmonisation of metrics would be amazing, but what's a realistic timeframe for that (to a meaningful level), that matches the urgency of action needed?
Emily Roe
54:54
Hi there! Emily Roe – Campaigns Manager at the Living Wage Foundation, Emily.roe@livingwage.org.uk . Similar to my colleague Jess who has also posted, I’m keen to understand how we can support businesses to pay the Living Wage and improve their Social Inclusion score through accrediting with the Foundation. It would be fantastic to build a sustainable food industry that’s underpinned by fair pay for all workers in the industry.
Ana Svab
57:44
It needs to be about dialogue, we're all learning here and 'the big guys' need to help smaller suppliers on this journey
Doreen Hashemi
57:59
Question to Sophie Lawrence on harmonisation of metrics: to what extent could World Benchmarking Alliance play this role globally?
Will Nicholson
58:09
Here’s the link to the WWF report which Judith referenced earlier: https://www.worldwildlife.org/publications/bending-the-curve-the-restorative-power-of-planet-based-diets
Lauren Bouli
58:11
Hi all, Lauren Boulie here, ESG analyst specialised in the food sector working at VE - a rating and research agency evaluating organisations' integration of ESG factors into their strategies.
Will Nicholson
59:26
your a star Will , which ever one it was responded
Anthony Lobo
01:00:47
Question - Judith mentioned that people have the power to choose healthier / more sustainable products to help move in the right direction. However, does this not miss the point - that for many low income families affordability is the biggest issue, and on average healthier / more sustainable food costs more (resulting in them not having the choice)?
Katie Palmer
01:01:50
Re Living Wage - Is there any evidence that the benefits system is keeping wages low (i.e. if employers pay more, employees lose their benefits and end up worse off).
Martin White
01:02:06
Although... any F&V promotion is dwarfed by the marketing of HFSS foods in grocery retailing
Jessica Goble
01:02:47
@Katie Palmer - The Living Wage calculation takes into account the tax and benefits system to ensure that this doesn't happen
Jennifer Constantine
01:02:51
Good question @Anthony Lobo. There's also too much emphasis placed on individual choice / power which doesn't sufficiently acknowledge the impact of obesogenic environments on our choices...
WWF - David Edwards
01:02:52
Further to "Will's" link to our report - a link to the Planet Based Diets microsite - with rather nifty tool you might all enjoy. https://planetbaseddiets.panda.org/
Kezia Smithe
01:02:52
Hi everyone - Kezia Smithe, ESG analyst at the FAIRR Initiative. we work on benchmarking food retailers and manufacturers on sustainable proteins, among other animal agriculture issues! Great webinar and participation, thanks Will and Food Foundation team for organising and the PUP work. Kezia.smithe@fairr.org / https://www.fairr.org/engagements/sustainable-proteins-engagement/
Lissa Glasgo (GIIN/IRIS+)
01:03:05
Re: harmonizing metrics (and thanks to Sophie for her great points on this), the GIIN team is currently undergoing the build of a new sustainable agriculture theme on IRIS+, the most widely used system for measuring and managing impact for impact investors globally (iris.thegiin.org).If anyone here would be interested in sharing insights and helping to vet drafts of metrics sets as they are drafted (or sharing other frameworks we should be looking at), do let us know: iris.thegiin.org/collaborate -- and many thanks to Will for being such a helpful part of this process to date.
Kezia Smithe
01:03:29
great conversation including on Scope 3 and pre-competitive harmonisation opportunity!
Jessica Goble
01:03:40
https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/publications/calculating-the-real-living-wage-for-london-and-the-rest-of-the-uk/ This is the most recent calculation paper for the rates that were announced this week
Alison Midgley_WWF
01:04:49
I would like to understand better @Judith Batchelar's assessment that supply chains are traceable but not transparent. From a retailer's perspective do you feel there is adequate data available on sourcing of products (especially so-called "forest-risk" products) or was this in reference to non-"forest-risk" products?
Martin White
01:04:57
Fiscal levers are much more powerful than nudges at store micro-environment level
Edwina Hughes
01:05:04
WRI has done some research about how to shift people towards choosing more sustainable food choices, there is no doubt these insights could be applied to retail...it's organized around 5Ps and the Placement one is the thing that jumps out for me regarding retail - having the healthy items located throughout the store not just in the 'healthy isle' area....the research is based on food services but may offer some interesting insights (also not about health per se though often the two appear together) https://www.wri.org/publication/playbook-guiding-diners-toward-plant-rich-dishes-food-service
Kezia Smithe
01:05:18
Judith and others - very keen to hear more about the data and evidence for best engaging consumers to shift to healthy, nutritious options, if as you have said simply improving placement and availability doesn't work alone
Will Nicholson
01:06:11
It is well ahead in area that needs to increase its production Horticulture
Will Nicholson
01:07:40
Is anyone looking at improving nutritional quality of fruit, vegetables, meat, milk, grains, etc? So, that citizens have access to nutritious food
Asda: Beth Fowler
01:07:58
To Kezia's point- Different interventions will work with different customers- it will depend on customer demographic etc. As an industry we are looking at building data and evidence on what works best
WWF - David Edwards
01:07:58
WWF working hard to accelerate the transparency/ accountability agenda. We have exploring what might be immediately possible leveraging our partnership with Tesco. https://www.wwf.org.uk/updates/Tesco-WWF-map-environmental-impact-food-production. Very much looking forward to exploring this further with the wider sector in the weeks and months to come. :-)
Will Nicholson
01:08:03
Check out Growwing the Goods ELMS Land Workers alliance
Will Nicholson
01:08:14
Hello, Hannah Forde from CEDAR University of Cambridge. Interested in equity effects of any of these changes (metrics, reporting, nudges etc.). In any scenario, how do we ensure the poorest consumers aren't left with the least healthy/climate-friendly food? Knowing the climate impact of their consumption won't be enough for them to afford to change it
Nilani Sritharan
01:08:51
Further information on supermarket-based trials as part of the Consumer Goods Forum sharing examples of what works and what doesn’t when trialled in more than 1 store https://www.theconsumergoodsforum.com/global-learning-mechanism-resources/can-supermarkets-help-turn-the-tide-on-obesity/
G.Verdier
01:09:34
https://www.tifsinitiative.orghttps://www.tifsinitiative.org another great effort for changing mindset investment in sustainable food systems, more focused on private markets, and disruptive players, hardly focused on communities and affordability launched by the Global Alliance for the future of Food and also supported by Fondation Daniel et Nina Carasso
Martina Asquini ATNI
01:10:10
Hi everyone, Martina Asquini from the Access to Nutrition Initiative here. Here's a little bit about our work with investors about healthy nutrition https://accesstonutrition.org/investor-signatories/
jeremy iles
01:10:10
Very interesting ...can we have an interface between your macro perspective and the growing calls for re-localisation, sustainable and resilient cities and regenerative agroecology in the UK?
Duncan Williamson
01:11:40
It not just the cost in shop but also the cost of preparation, cooking, storage and the challenge of what to do with the waste and even cooking the food. We need a wider discussion about the total costs of food
Will Nicholson
01:12:20
Farming/growing practices need to prioritise soil health, i.e. regenerative organic agriculture. Healthy soil = healthy plants = healthy food = healthy people
Will Nicholson
01:13:05
Here here
Nathalie Winn
01:13:53
Is the whole issue with transitioning to sustainable diets and food chains is because food delivery/access has to be purchased. So food and sustainable food production is all predicated on creating a supply chain for customers who can buy food, rather than the ethos that everyone deserves nutrition security
G.Verdier
01:13:57
Yes, TIFS initiative mentioned above includes agro-ecology principles and focus on vulnerable communities (producing and consuming
Caroline Boden
01:14:50
Targeted marketing of unhealthy products, especially to communities of color and low-income communities remains a significant challenge and barrier to healthy eating. How are companies evaluating their marketing practices to prioritize the marketing of healthier products?
Kim Kirchherr
01:14:57
This is an incredibly important part of the conversation - balance, portion control, understanding the context of what food means to people personally while informing choices is critical moving forward. We need variety in food groups to get the variety in nutrients needed to support health. Defining "healthier choice" varies day to day, season to season - even for the same individual.
Edwina Hughes
01:15:15
has the sugar tax worked though?
Dan Crossley
01:15:43
QUESTION (if I'm allowed another one!): What would Panellists' ask be of the National Food Strategy in relation to metrics? What do you hope to see in Part Two?
WWF - David Edwards
01:16:03
++ Dan Crossley
Joe Mann - Food Teachers Centre
01:16:07
Judith rightly says that she needs to concentrate more on Food Education so how is she planning to help us 6000 secondary school Food Teachers?
Mark Driscoll
01:16:43
Is there an opportunity for businesses and others to reconnect citizens with food - food literacy, growing, cooking etc could shape consumer values and therefore influence consumer behaviours?
Stephanie Walton
01:16:54
Re: the idea that healthy options should be better positioned than unhealthy options in implies that unhealthy options should/will continue to be available in the shops. Why not just remove them entirely?
Karyn Moskowitz
01:17:00
https://www.wcrf.org/int/blog/articles/2016/11/mexicos-sugar-tax-did-it-make-difference
Karyn Moskowitz
01:17:09
Mexico’s success with sugar tax.
Grace Harrington
01:17:32
How well do healthy recipe ideas and recipe cards in store work? If used along side providing the ingredients for those recipes together in one place in store, this could help people make better choices. How effective is this?
Kim Kirchherr
01:17:40
Question- can we spend some time talking about the need to define "healthy"? This seems to be a piece of the conversation that is assumed often.
Joe Mann - Food Teachers Centre
01:17:48
Judith rightly says that she needs to concentrate more on Food Education so how might she help healthier ingredients provision to our 6000 secondary school Food Teachers?
Will Nicholson
01:17:54
Rather than a meat tax which may be a bit blunt, are there other fiscal measures that are worth exploring e.g. a tax on ultra-processed food, tax-breaks for certified sustainable food, or a mix of tax and subsidy that looks at a businesses product range against e.g. nutrients or a wider set of metrics.
Martin White
01:18:02
Hearing the education, information, choice narrative takes us way back to the 1980s and 90s... Just too easy to lapse into victim blaming. However, telling that, while not welcomed, businesses see regulation/taxation as a level playing field. That's the government mandate to achieve food system transformation
Will Nicholson
01:18:16
Why are regenerative organic food supply chains taking off in the USA? How to get past the barriers in the UK?
Edwina Hughes
01:18:46
thanks Karyn - I had heard of huge success in Mexico I wasn't so clear that it was a resounding success here....probably need to read up!
Dan Crossley
01:18:46
Food taxes have been mentioned a couple of times. Here's what our jury of Council members thought of the idea of a meat tax when we put it 'in the dock' at one of our Food Policy on Trial events last year (but you can listen back and come to your own judgement) https://www.foodethicscouncil.org/resource/food-policy-on-trial-in-the-dock-meat-tax-jury-verdict/
Martin White
01:18:57
Agree with one of the many will Nicholson's on here (at 15.50) - there are many more sophisticated tax options. creativity needed...
Duncan Williamson
01:19:52
Some interesting work happening in Chili around food regulations changing eating habits. A top down approach that is working, not least with black labels on unhealthy products
Jennifer Constantine
01:20:36
@Edwina Hughes there is also an ongoing discussion in Mexico about increasing the sugar tax to 20%
Edwina Hughes
01:20:55
I'll check it out - thanks!
Asda: Beth Fowler
01:21:54
I would argue food retailers do a lot to help customers understand health and nutrition, but more work needed on evaluation and measurement of effectiveness of interventions. There's a significant amount of good work going on across the industry
Jennifer Constantine
01:22:39
Mexico have also pushed new front of pack labelling as part of tackling the obesogenic environment which was very contentious with the food industry - also draws inspiration from what Chile achieved with restrictions on packaging / marketing of unhealthy foods to children
Kim Kirchherr
01:22:48
I agree, Beth! There is much good work being done in this space (disclosure - I worked for the number one retailer in Chicago for about 10 years and I still work with retailers as a dietitian).
Martin White
01:23:10
So, would Asda be up for evaluation of piloting regulatopry measures in their supermarkets?
Anthony Lobo
01:23:23
An example of pricing skewed in the wrong direction:Sainsbury's Beef Lasagne 400g - £2 (on offer)Sainsbury's Vegan Butternut Squash & Lentil Lasagne 400g - £2.75
Will Nicholson
01:23:40
Of course metrics are vital but I don't think we should let ourselves be distracted from real tangible action (or lack there of) by the need for better data. It's both, of course!
katie gordon
01:23:56
How are companies evaluation their marketing practices to focus on healthier products? Should Govs restrict all marketing of the unhealthiest products? What about a VAT break on the ‘healthiest’ products? these 3 questions require a definition of ‘healthy’……
Karyn Moskowitz
01:24:01
Exactly Anthony! Here too in the US we are penalized financially for choosing healthy foods.
Martin White
01:24:02
Some good metrics here - spot on @anthony Lobo
Bryonie Hollaert
01:24:06
The difficulty of piloting regulatory measures is that it won't reflect the impact of all retailers moving
Michal Kulak
01:24:46
Thanks Will! Great work
Nilani Sritharan
01:24:56
For everyone who’s interested to learn more about Feed UK, a project seeking to build the infrastructure to allow for better data sharing across the food sector for the benefit of the sector, see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUwXGY0J78c
Asda: Beth Fowler
01:25:12
Thanks all for discussion
Martin White
01:25:26
Good point also by Will Nicholsan at 15.50 - retailers keen on us spending a lot of time on metrics, butwe need to avoid this being a distraction from action...
Kim Kirchherr
01:25:26
Thank you for this topic and conversation today.
Jane Corbett
01:25:40
Brilliant session...thanks so much. Take care everyone. Jane
Dan Crossley
01:26:13
As well as metrics, we need to shift mindsets. Shameless plug for our work on food citizenship... https://foodcitizenship.info/
Will Nicholson
01:26:21
however have a more realistic price for vegetables
Kezia Smithe, FAIRR
01:26:23
Thank you everyone!
Will Nicholson
01:26:27
Nutritional quality of carrots varies!
Martin White
01:26:32
true Bryonie, but first step in building evidence
Bryonie Hollaert
01:26:37
agree!
Will Nicholson
01:26:48
Katie - on definition of healthy - it may not be perfect, but the definition used for advertising is Nutrient Profiling Model, the update of which is being sat on by Government at the moment.
Jane Corbett
01:26:48
Inequality is a huge issue
Helene York
01:26:48
Farm-level data is necessary, but what about farms in other countries, aquaculture, and fisheries... how do we make all the data available in the same database?
Bryonie Hollaert
01:26:49
and collaboration is key
Roz Salik
01:27:07
Do email the real Will Nicholson at will.nicholson@foodfoundation.org.uk if you have any follow up questions, thank you for joining us today.
Dan Crossley
01:27:12
Thanks Will, James and panellists for a great session. Thanks all the Wills (and other named participants) too for great insights and challenge in the chat.
Karyn Moskowitz
01:27:17
Bye everyone! Check out our amazing food justice work here in Kentucky USA www.newroots.org
Jane Corbett
01:27:26
and wider impacts as Judith flagged up
Nikki Wilkinson
01:27:29
Thank you, a very informative session and lots of great discussion
Roz Salik
01:27:40
Do email the real Will Nicholson at will.nicholson@foodfoundation.org.uk if you have any follow up questions, thank you for joining us today.
Melissa Larkin, Giki Social Enterprise
01:27:47
Thank you all, really interesting discussion!
Martin White
01:27:55
Well done Will and the FF team - thanks all.
Roz Salik
01:28:04
Do email the real Will Nicholson at will.nicholson@foodfoundation.org.uk if you have any follow up questions, thank you for joining us today.
jeremy iles
01:28:10
thanks
Jennifer Constantine
01:28:11
Thanks to the FF, the panel and everyone for an excellent discussion.
Judith Robinson
01:28:17
Thanks everyone, very interesting
katie gordon
01:28:17
ATNI use the Health Star Rating 3.5 and above to be healhty
Sharon Bligh
01:28:19
Great session thank you!
Viktoria de Bourbon Parme (World Benchmarking Alliance)
01:28:23
fantastic session! congratulations on the report
Courtney Scott (FFCC)
01:28:23
Great! Thank you!
Dan Crossley
01:28:23
Good harmonising of names!
Kathleen Cacciola
01:28:24
Thank you
Sophie Robins - Forum for the Future
01:28:24
Thanks
Helen Breewood
01:28:25
Thanks!
Jessica Goble
01:28:26
Thank you team!
Marcus Wilert
01:28:26
Super interesting, thanks all!
Nameeta Baichoo
01:28:27
thank you great session
Will Nicholson
01:28:28
thanks
Joanne Lunn
01:28:28
Thank you everyone!