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ISRAELI PALESTINIAN PEACE SIMULATION - Shared screen with speaker view
Elizabeth Block
30:15
By Israelis, do you mean Israeli Jews? Or do you mean people living in 1948 Israel?
Asher Lopatin (he/him)
32:00
See the documentary, “The Human Factor”, featuring Dennis Ross among others. Also a four part series on Israeli TV
Asher Lopatin (he/him)
37:59
Hopefully, IPC will win over the Ambassador!
Elizabeth Block
41:40
WHO ARE ISRAELIS? Israeli Jews? Including settlers in the West Bank?
Avi Applestein
43:42
Elisabeth - All israely voters
Ury Eldar
46:03
Were we can see the 300 mmbers alkready voted?
Craig Cfl
46:16
not Jewish
Raslan Ibrahim
46:30
Not jewish
Todd Beblow
46:35
Earthling!
Ury Eldar
47:01
Were we can see the 300 mmbers alkready voted?
Elizabeth Block
47:16
Any Palestinians on this call?
Mazin Qumsiyeh
48:10
I am Palestinian but in this setting last time I was not allowed to present ideas (Joseph alluded to this as "disruption")
Ilan Bass
48:17
Except for Israeli diplomats, who can vote from abroad via the embassies.
Jonatan Zahav
49:09
welcome mazin
Cleo Rogers
49:36
Will Gaza be discussed during this simulation?
Elizabeth Block
50:23
Mazin, I think I know your name. Formerly in Toronto? Yeah, I expect you were considered disruptive. And while I think this whole project may have some value, as presenting Jews with the idea that there might be alternatives to perpetual occupation, I’m afraid I think it’s a waste of time.
Mazin Qumsiyeh
50:28
Thanks Jonathan. Just for the sake of correct introduction of Dennis Ross: he worked at WINEP (maybe still does) an offshoot of AIPAC (Israeli lobby in the US).
Asher Lopatin (he/him)
51:07
My understanding, then, is that people from Hamas can run for office?
Shiraz Ramji
53:03
Why are you not inviting Chomsky since you are inviting Dembosky the lawyer who is pro zionist
Asher Lopatin (he/him)
53:39
I believe Noam Chomsky was on a previous simulation?
Craig Cfl
54:06
Wasn't Chomsky already a guest?
Craig Cfl
55:32
Aug 22, Chomsky. Viewable at https://ipconfederation.org/
Mazin Qumsiyeh
56:30
The problem is most of us consider ourselves human beings not a tribe (Palestinains or Israeli). I would have had problem with this simulation if it was in south Africa under apartheid and was asked wither I belong to the "white" or "black" category (Israeli vs Palestinian or Jew vs arab does not make sense)
Cleo Rogers
56:49
Does this acknowledge the power asymmetry?
Jay Heyman
59:10
Disagree: cooperation would be a far higher perspective.
Omar Shaban-Palthink-Gaza
01:02:06
Dear All
Omar Shaban-Palthink-Gaza
01:04:26
I am Palestinian live in Gaza, I am enjoying the discussion and I found it be very relevant. I strongly advocate for this idea.
Omar Shaban-Palthink-Gaza
01:04:36
www.palthink.org
Shiraz Ramji
01:04:59
do you any plans to invite Palestinian Saddawi?
Omar Shaban-Palthink-Gaza
01:08:06
Many thanks dear Ilan, things n Gaza don't look good unfortunately.
Mazin Qumsiyeh
01:08:29
But you give veto power to a privilaged community to simply reject International law to protect human rights of the oppressed people (e.g. rejecting refugees' right of return)
Cleo Rogers-Ramallah
01:13:16
Would sanctions for Gaza be removed?
Rochelle Cleaver
01:15:05
Doesn't this give veto power more to Hamas than anyone else? Hamas would always veto with a few Palestinian votes anything that was not beneficial to itself. This gives them more power than the Israelis have.
IS/PA: Todd
01:21:34
no
Shiraz Ramji
01:33:07
I think your organization needs a Nobel Peace Prize for promoting Global Peace?
Elizabeth Block
01:34:40
The question is: WHAT’S YOUR PLAN B?
hamde hamde
01:34:53
hi
Warda Sada
01:36:59
hi
Ury Eldar
01:39:32
Mr Avisar ,Its not same because we talk about homeless people who emigrated to new continent and for this they was on equal rights
LiibbyPA
01:39:46
we are living in a time when all Life is threatened and as humans we must learn how to live together. IPC could be a model of possibility. We aren't two people, we are many people sharing one living system.
Raslan Ibrahim
01:41:43
I would like to share with the group my latest column on the Israeli-Palestinian peace process in which I propose a different approach of conflict resolution: https://theconversation.com/making-peace-between-israelis-and-palestinians-is-now-the-time-for-a-different-approach-161565
hamde hamde
01:46:43
مرحبا اتمنى ان يكون في الاجتماع
hamde hamde
01:46:53
عربي لكي يترجم ما اقوله
IS/PA: Todd
01:47:29
Not necessarily.
Mazin Qumsiyeh
01:47:44
and why am I not listed in the order of asking question to Dennis Ross?
Jonatan Zahav
01:47:54
I have a question, but I don't have the button to raise my hand
LiibbyPA
01:51:30
until people are allowed to meet and see each other as human and equal, there will be no move towards living together. they fear each other and project the worst without knowing the truth
LiibbyPA
01:52:41
The need is for a Public Peace Process which IPC symbolizes
Shiraz Ramji
01:54:53
Why is Israel not implementing Oslo agreement?
LiibbyPA
01:57:32
again A PUBLIC PEACE PROCESS
Avi Applestein - IS PM
01:59:41
Niddal - In march 2001 I met a senior PLO member, Muhammed Nasal, the spokesman of the Palestinian delegation in Germany- He said that they got 95% + swop land, so who killed the peace prosses ? Let look at the future !!
Shiraz Ramji
02:06:23
What is the legacy of Ross as a USA Israeli negotiator. Is Ross a failure or a profitable voice of Israeli government?
Mazin Qumsiyeh
02:07:11
Obviusly hypocritical. Supports war crimes (continued colonial settlement expansion) while "talking" about "support two states"!!!!!
hamde hamde
02:09:04
اعتذر
Mazin Qumsiyeh
02:09:08
Dennis: So do a public statement to ask the US government to stop it (which it can based on US law)
Ilan Bass
02:10:26
I think US arms manufacturers are more important in this particular conversation
Ilan Bass
02:11:50
I think the $4 billion annual US military aid to Israel should be conditioned on spending some of it on grassroots peacebuilding programmes
Mazin Qumsiyeh
02:11:59
His language now is so much more honest: he want to destroy any potential enemies of apartheid Israel (what is the difference between him and Bennet or Netanyahu). He pushed for war on Iraq and now pushes for war on Iran.
Jonatan Zahav
02:12:56
Mazin. He said that we are under attack by Iran through all its various useful arms, like Hamas and Hezbollah
hamde hamde
02:13:12
I will use the translator to tell you that I love you all
Jonatan Zahav
02:13:43
Do you Mazin feel that peace is possible while Hamas and PA do not even talk to each other? Who represents Palestinians?
hamde hamde
02:15:29
thank you all
hamde hamde
02:16:38
My life experience on the subject of peace and coexistence..it was painful..but I learned a lot..I learned it is inevitable to promote peace
Asher Lopatin (he/him)
02:17:50
Thank you Ambassador Ross for coming on and having an open mind!
Mazin Qumsiyeh
02:18:00
The Clinton Parameters were written by Ross and other Israeli lobbyists to maintain the colonial system (plus they violate international law and basic human rights). my email mazin@qumsiyeh.org and happy to connect
Avi Applestein - IS PM
02:18:14
Warda, we will get a one sate! Don't we? :)
hamde hamde
02:18:14
Yes, I worked for Jews, they are good people
IS/PA: Todd
02:18:37
Adios!
hamde hamde
02:18:39
My life dream is to make a film that promotes peace
hamde hamde
02:19:11
But in my country, if I put forward the idea, I will lose
Shiraz Ramji
02:19:19
Excellent Educational Empowering discussions
Cleo Rogers
02:19:26
Thank you for hosting this space