the passcode is in the email

I just copied and pasted it from the email

the passcode is 881124

exactly!

I am in Jerusalem. Do you want me to call him by phone?

it's all in the email. hope he reads it

What is the problem. HaSN'T HE EVER BEEN ON zOOM BEFORE?

I tried to say yes but it didn’t register.

In order for the IPC to work, wouldn't the Palestinian Authority need to have a fully functioning government as a sovereign state? That would mean UNWRA would have to end its work, which would mean that the humanitarian aid would end. This is currently what Palestinians rely upon economically.

Also, what mechanism will there be for Hamas and Fatah to agree to join together for a common Palestinian government?

Was there a reference to an email sent with a description of the PIC? I did not receive

*IPC

Indeed, how in the world are you going to get Hamas and Fatah to give up their stated goal of destroying Israel and creating an Arab/Islamic state in Israel's place? It takes two to make peace but only one to prevent peace.

A common parliament will promote extremism, polarization, political deadlock and chaos! The following arrangement would avert this: Jewish voters should only be allowed to vote for Palestinian representatives and Palestinian voters should only be allowed to vote for Jewish representatives. This would be democratic and at the same time exclude extremists of all stripes from political power: Jews would vote for moderate Palestinian candidates and Palestinians would vote for progressive Jewish candidates. Genuine peace and cooperation would follow.

What's the point of making all these assumptions which have nothing to do with reality on the ground?

You are right, Carl.

So it's a game, not a political simulation!?

A compelling simulation may help to unfreeze the awful reality and inspire voters and both governments to contemplate a different future.

Why should we play that game? If it is not related to reality, what's thepoint of spending time on this?

Rafael, you're making a pretty big assumption there, that each side would vote for the moderates of the other side. I can think of a number of reasons that assumption is hardly warranted. Aside from my general disagreement that you define this sort of segregated voting-to-choose-reps-from-the-other-side as "democratic". :-) But I appreciate very much your creativity!

there has already been a vote on the concept 10yrs ago. with limited exposure, still got hundreds/thousands to vote

This is not a game. It is reality because all of the people in the region will vote online.

This is a load of BS. Professor Dajani has better things to do with his time..

It's not a "game" for fun, but a way to explain simulation, acting as if which helps us think in new creative ways.

the status quo reality is peace is going nowhere. this is a third way

so let's discuss reality, not play games...

Libby, it is not a matter of helping us to think differently. How do yhou intend to get Hamas and Fatah to think differently?

OK I'm really sorry. This conversation between Mohammed about how he'll participate should have taken place prior to this event. I agree with Rafael's comment, it's not respectful of Prof Dajani's time (or OURS). Shame.

we will "discuss reality" when the simulation is over and we go to question/comment and answer time

If people would stop hating for 6,000 years there would be no problem and peace would prevail. Hatred is the problem.If you don't believe it realistic, don't pRTICIPATE. oTHERS DO AND THEY WILL VOTE.

there was a meeting between the two last week to go over simulation

We are trying to design a new reality and it will take lots of relating and working together, expanding the circle of people who think there is a better way, a way that works for ALL.

I agree with Carl Goldberg's question. Why the game? The IPC needs to ALSO wotk with reality - the stumbling blocks to Peace. HOW can the IPC "lobby" for Peace via IPC the present, actual leaders of Israel and leaders of Palestinians.

tHE ipc DOES NOT NEED YOUR COMMENTS.

wE N DO WIYHOUT YOUR VOTE.

if I T IS A MOVIE, DON'T GO.

I need more information about what this gov't would look like. Would it be parliamentary? Would there be political parties with platforms? How would anyone know WHO to vote for? The Palestinian/Israeli conflict is hardly the only issue in Palestine or Israel.

iF MANKIND CAN CONCEIVE IT IT CAN HAPPEN.

Are we crafting a Hollywood thriller or solving real-world problems??

tHE REAL WORLD PROBLEM IS MILLENIUMS OF HATRED.

actual Palestinians and Israelis are worried about being "canceled" if they participate BUT there have been Israeli/Palestinian guests/audiences

me

Sharon there is a book and website explaining this exact formula

and YouTube videos from josef

iF YOU DON'T THINK IT CAN BE DONE THEN LEAVE. tHE REST OF US WILL ACCOMPLISH IT.

Ah I will look for them. If you could put a link in the chat, that will make it easier.

Rochelle, why are you so intolerant of people who do not agree with you?

To participate in this you need to be open to thinking in totally new ways, believing the current situation isn't working

Josef published the book himself. he sent me a copy. it's very good

I AMINTOLERANT OF IGNORANCE.

well he might have a publisher. I don't remember but still good book

Are you saying that everyone who does not agree with you is ignorant? You can't be serious.

What about the Israeli opposition? Is there none?

https://ipconfederation.org/

What does a separate government mean if this government has no power?

It will never happen without security guarantees, which is like the camel passing through the eye of the needle.

so this confederal government is going to have a consultative function comparable to student government in a high school?

To those unfamiliar or doubtful of the efficacy of this approach, the purpose of the simulation is to demonstrate and learn by witnessing this simulation how such a concept would work, and be able to reach agreements on issues where their governments have failed. Think of it as a participating in a model UN in High School; students learn by doing.

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Josef-Avesar/dp/1450791778?dplnkId=8b686f0f-e6da-446a-9b82-4774cf7f8c16

the ip confederation gets 19 out of 20 bills vetoed, still progress since one got passed and agreed to by all parties

Here, the approach is seemingly counterintuitive— why wouldn't the gov'ts just veto everything, making IPC ineffective? The point is, through demonstration to understand how extremists on both sides would be unable to have complete control over the IPC.

The League of Nations also gave every member a veto right on every decision!

lmao. let's say no before we even start a new way. 😂

I, the Hamas leader, voted against the constitution. Is Hamas out now?

What is being proposed here is not a government because it has no powers to pass legislation and enforce it. This is more like proposing an NGO whose only "power" is suggestion.

exactly!

Hamas leader can't vote in parliment

😂

Carl, educate yourself on this formula before making ignorant claims

Why don't we turn this simulation into a board game? It might then make a real impact in the Middle East!

Josef, why do we “vote” on the Constitution at all? We would accomplish the same thing by simply administering the oath. If a newly-elected parliamentarian refuses to take the oath, we accomplish the same thing and much more efficiently.

A non-starter, no matter how many times you put it to a vote to this small crowd.

I think if you thwart the people enough you get a people's revolution.

Did Josef say that all 3 entities - the gov't of Israel, the PA and Hamas are NOT legitimate?

Yes, typical nonsense.

oBVOUSLY, Israel IS LEGITIMATE.

let’s vote Josef out as leader of this group

Sid is right

Sid, since this group has no sense of the reality on the ground, I don't see much sense to the group.

In the US, the politicians ae lying to the people, so there has already been one attack on Jan. 6 on the Congress. This just may be the start of a revolt by the people.

I am a pacifist and believe that peace will always prevail, but others are more hot-headed than I am.

This is my first attendance in a long time, hoping to hear Daoudi’s story, but I haven’t got all day . . .

again if 99 out of 100 legislative bills get vetoed, we are still getting one bill passed! also we fail once, try again!

the thing people seem to be missing is status quo has FAILED

I also would like to hear Daodi's story rather than spend all this time arguing. The people will prevail.

The hatred must stop and peace will prevail.

Rochelle, I do not understand what it means to say that the "people" will prevail? Different people want different things. There is no such entity as "the people".

with all due respect to our guest prof, the IPC is not a perfect solution. it's a change! it's trying something new for peace

Jesse,

This is not trying something new for peace. It is just irrelevant talk among a few people.

Joseph believes that the Israeli government will succumb to international pressure

OK guys, the Hamas leader decides to go take a shower since it's very hot. Please find yourselves another leader. Goodbye.

The people will overthrow the existing political structure, as in the American evolution and the French Revolution. In Vietnam, the US lost and China won, not by bombs but by the people.

I support the IPC idea. it doesn't hurt anyone to try (again), since we have already tried a online election once

Professor Dajani, I really look forward to seeing your present your superior views in another venue very soon.

Rafael was never serious participant, admitted voting on something he was specifically told he can not vote since not a member of parliment

How are you going to get Hamas and Fatah to change their education system to promote peace? Their stated goal, which permeates their education system, is to create an Arab/Islamic state from the River to the Sea?

Rafael just trying to be disruptive

I too would like to hear your views, rather than hearing every other week from the nay sayers.

Yes, they are j ust trying to stop progress.

Rochelle, you really ought to talk directly with the leaders of Hamas and Fatah and convince them to become tolerant.

Carl, I agree with your comment on Pal authority and Hamas not being tolerant BUT Israel holds virtually all the power

I don't have to convince them of anything. Their own economy will suffer until there is globalization and until they work together.

They cook their own goose.

Jesse, it is an illusion that Israel holds all the power. Israel has not been able to influence the political culture of either Hamas in Gaza or Fatah in Judea/Samaria.

You are wasting time, the parties in power are not listening. On with the presentation.

I support this idea because status quo is a failure

TO Carl and everyone: Everyone's intolerance of ‘the other' side depends upon denying their humanity. When people start acting humanly toward each other, it automatically defuses

Good luck with that, Charles.

Got to run, so you’re losing a Palestinian parliament member. LW

Your people will never have security without peace mr israeli prime ministre

fantasy island

let's move on Mr President to the next legislation or question and answer

fewer people, not less

Shahira, you are right that Israel will never have security without peace. Hamas and Fatah are the parties preventing peace.

Mr Israeli prime ministre have u ever wondered why there was an intifada????

Shahira there was an intifada because Hamas and Fatah want to destroy Israel and establish an Arab/Islamic state from the River to the Sea.

You think if the Palestinian people were treated like the Israeli citizen there would be an intifadaif there was no home destructions , or forced evictions of Palestinians there would not be an intifadaPalestinians are humans and would like to be treated as suchStop the army from invading homes and terrorizing PalestiniansThen there is peace

Sharia, the Arabs/Muslims have opposed the existence of Israel from the first day that Israel became a state. Their goals have not changed.

Palestinians have been used as pawns for so long. to of been given Jordanian citizenship and then have it stripped years later, for Syria and elsewhere to have "refuge camps" for decades for stateless people is wrong

Palestinians elected Hamas and Fatah.

I respect the rights and humanity of the Palestinian people. All you have to do is look at the map and consider the status of Gaza and how close the West Bank is to the heartland of Israel and realize a Palestinian state under current conditions is not feasible.

The First Zionist Congress (Hebrew: הקונגרס הציוני הראשון) was the inaugural congress of the Zionist Organization (ZO) held in Basel (Basle), from August 29 to August 31, 1897. 208 delegates and 26 press correspondents attended the event.[1] It was convened[2] and chaired[3] by Theodor Herzl, the founder of the modern Zionism movement. The Congress formulated a Zionist platform, known as the Basel program, and founded the Zionist Organization. It also adopted the Hatikvah as its anthem (already the anthem of Hovevei Zion and later to become the national anthem of the State of Israel).

The Arabs have always rejected an Arab state alongside a Jewish state. Nothing has change in 74 years.

If Hamas would stop lobbying rockets at Israel and causing deaths then Israel will stop fighting back

Jertzl wrote in his diary (September 3, 1897):[19]Were I to sum up the Basel Congress in a word - which I shall guard against pronouncing publicly - it would be this: At Basel I founded the Jewish State.[3] If I said this out loud today l would be greeted by universal laughter. In five years perhaps, and certainly in fifty years, everyone will perceive it.— Theodor Herzl (1897)

The Palestinians, Hamas, and Hezbollah are a very small number in this world out of 8 billion people and it is only a matter of time before China, Russia , India, et., get tired of them. They will be bombed out and the Israelis will be blamed unrealistically but the world will be happy that one more small problem is eliminated. Even the UN and NATO are getting tired of them.

Such an online election as Josef is proposing is not possible or realistic, nor is it possible for such a government to send delegates and to meet.

If you lived in a house and was not allowed out of your area by your neighbors, when your water is running out and your food and building material is running out you would throw rockets at them too unfortunately

ipc isn't about why current status quo circumstances won't bring peace. it's not a blame game

it's about another mechanism for peace

Jesse,

Israel land grabs for settlements, Hamas firing rockets at random, ect ect. all wrong all status quo all not bringing peace

It is precisely the mechanism for peace which is missing here. There can be no peace as long as Hamas and Fatah persue war.

I rather try a third way and fail than continue status quo for war and death

this third way will hopefully help make war and death politics wither away

Jesse, go ahead and try to find a third way. If that is the way you want to spend your rime, go ahead.

yes I will happily spend some time to build peace

I lost a lot of family due to Russian Pogroms and the Shoah.

Jesse, and Carl, who is right and who is wrong always depends where you arbitrarily decide to start the clock of history. If you read the Balfour Declaration, which many point to as some kind of justification, it specifically states no problem with creating a homeland for the Jews AS LONG AS IT IS DONE WITH THE COOPERATION AND AGREEMENT WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY THERE. This was not the approach that was taken from the beginning, rather displacement was understood, and so this engendered resistance. If you consider the pogroms/holocaust, you have the justification for displacement, from the Jewish p.o.v. Displacement from the Palestinian p.o.v., ongoing to this day in Israeli policy, necessary to maintain Jewish majority demographic/governmental/security control, is very understandably Never justified. Arguing about this is pointless; human beings all deserve to live in dignity and peace

I would like to see the UN involved also. It is the UN that is responsible for keeping Palestinians in refugee status for generations and generations. They can change that and make people permanent residents in a place where they want to live - Palestine proud and free.

51 years ater the First Zionest congress in 1897, a country was formed from this dream.

When the UN reads Article 80 of its charter, they can join jn.

How come 6 million Jews who were not causing any problems were eliminated in WWII while 4 million Palestinians and Hamas and Hezbollah are being allowed to live and we are negotiating with them. What good do the Palestinians do for the world.? What is this discrepancy?

I am looking at today. we need a new way. status quo "negotiations" are a failure

yes the worst is Jordan taking away Palestinian citizenship away by those in WB

and why won't Syria give "refugees" Syrian citizenship?

are there "refugee" camps in Lebanon? Lebanese citizenship?

Gaza strip Palestinians were never given Egyptian citizenship? just Jordan gave Palestinians in WB Jordanian passports

COntraryh to what Professor Dajani maintains, the root of the conflict over Isael is fundamentally religious. The evidence for this is overwhelming. Take a look at the Hamas Charter which makes this clear. Remewber that Hamas is the Palestinian branch of the worldwide Muslim Brotherhood which had declared its religious war against the Jews even before the creation of Isrel. Remember that Israel's deadliest enemy is The Islamic Republic of Iran -- neither Arab nor Palesstinian. . There is a reason that nearly the entire Islamic world has rejected Israel's right to exist for the past 74 years.

thank you!