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Global Seminar Series: The Impact of Covid-19 on Mental Health. Roundtable on Implications for Policy and Practice in Australia - Shared screen with speaker view
John Mendoza
30:31
Hello Pat Dudgeon and welcome
patdudgeon
31:38
Hi John!
Tim Heffernan
35:07
Many existing consumers have prior experience of compulsory isolation - hence may be MORE resilient.
Chris
41:19
ZVaccine
Chris
41:27
Vaccine
patdudgeon
42:01
Tim: or they might be triggered?
Tim Heffernan
43:05
Both Pat. But many feel the rest of the population is now experiencing what they have experienced
patdudgeon
45:38
true
Ingrid Ozols
46:09
Life the bushfire survivors who have been forgotten, some of those with pre-existing mh issues are uncomfortable, self-stigmatising, feeling like they need to step back, are not help seekng out of guilt......that others have it worse...
Ingrid Ozols
46:23
some are loving the isolation!
AmyP
47:33
Hi Tim, I agree- I think some people that have experiences of mental health issues are coping better and are able to draw on their experiences to be incredibly resilient during this difficult time. For some people this whole experience has been almost like an equalizer
Emma Greeney
47:52
I would definitely agree with Tim - many people with lived experience are reporting a sense of bemused observation - others struggling with social isolation are finally understanding (to a degree) the experience of those whose mental illnesses have isolated them in the past.
lisasweeney
49:13
Was that stat whole of Aus population or WA only?
Petra Hill
51:30
Is WA's specific data I think Lisa ;)
lisasweeney
51:41
Hi Petra!!!!! And thank you :-)
Petra Hill
51:50
howdy! x
Arahni Sont
56:19
Daniel - take control of the screen
Arahni Sont
56:33
john - let danile take control
Tim Heffernan
01:00:31
Expert led = Person led
Tonita Taylor
01:00:47
What do you mean by a thermometer speaker?
Tonita Taylor
01:00:59
thermometer thinker?
Rod Astbury
01:01:45
Why does Australia have such poor online prescribing performance?
ianhickie
01:01:54
great to see Danny emphasise the movement away from the ‘average’ person to meeting the needs of individuals in place and time!
ianhickie
01:02:55
Important also to Danny emphasise moving from ‘scaling up’ to ‘scaling out!’
David Perkins
01:04:11
Can we expect our current market based system to address equity when it is based on consumer and provider subsidies? Does this imply a reinvent model?
joseph hooper
01:04:51
The rewiring of the system needs to go to the MBS funding models and the greater adoption of the hospital multi-D model into the community/primary care space.
Ingrid Ozols
01:09:35
We need to still be able to reach out to those vulnerable who do NOT have access to technology when in iso - somehow we need to offer free devices/wifi...and ways to teach people how to use it
Tim Heffernan
01:10:47
yes ingrid!!!
Steve Appleton
01:11:59
For information: detail on NHS workforce deaths resulting from COVID19 including breakdown of professions: https://www.hsj.co.uk/exclusive-deaths-of-nhs-staff-from-covid-19-analysed/7027471.article
Ingrid Ozols
01:12:14
Telehealth/medicare is not accessible by our prisoners, jurisdictional/federal passing of the buck. They are in iso - no visits from family...but transitioning to tech contat...but can't use telehealth.....how can we address this, s this different in other countries?
Ingrid Ozols
01:13:36
There is a BIG DIFFERENCE B/W SHARED & SUPPORTED DECISION MAKING. The vic mh act talks about supported decision, not shared.....
joseph hooper
01:13:57
Vulnerable incudes indigineous, elderly, homeless and those in rural and remote communities with poor internet access, as well as scarce health resources.
Ingrid Ozols
01:14:19
Yes joseph - absolutely.
Ingrid Ozols
01:14:53
apologies to my capitals in prevous question.
Marita Linkson
01:19:01
https://go8.edu.au/research/roadmap-to-recovery
John Mendoza
01:19:24
Thanks marita
Tim Heffernan
01:19:57
indigenous rights need to be MH Consumer rights too
Tim Heffernan
01:22:40
NOthing about us - Exactly Pat!
Sebastian Rosenberg
01:23:08
closing the Gap should refer to soc and emotional well-being.
Tonita Taylor
01:23:53
The first ACCHO respiratory clinic opened: https://www.facebook.com/BrisbaneNorthPHN/posts/1672990322825298
Tim Heffernan
01:24:25
Similarly peer workforce review
33505250
01:25:18
Not a lot of the webinar content so far has addressed mental health impacts.
Vivienne Miller
01:25:56
Hi Pat D
Vivienne Miller
01:26:07
Hi Pat
Tonita Taylor
01:26:24
Agree Pat - we're seeing the same. Family for Indigenous people is very different
Ingrid Ozols
01:26:30
Yes Tim, where does peer support fit into telehealth....
Tonita Taylor
01:26:56
What family means is different and important to consider
Ingrid Ozols
01:27:15
Not being able to touch has a huge impact...for the dying, the isolated.... we can't console someone...
Ingrid Ozols
01:27:27
This is greatly traumatising
Daryn
01:27:57
Issues raised have been ongoing for people with mental illness for many years - the number of reviews and reports over the years and little has changed - interested to hear people think it will be different after Covid - why? Need to define mental illness mild to moderate to people living with chronic mental illness. There will be an increase in the need for people after Covid to access mental health services but what will be the impact on people who are already accessing mental health services
Chris Barrie
01:28:48
Is anyone from Mental Health Australia online?
Ingrid Ozols
01:29:27
Not just indigenous - this is across many ethnic/cald communities....
Ingrid Ozols
01:30:19
Traditions, rituals are disrupted - inability to console someone - a child....
Vivienne Miller
01:30:39
Hi Pat, how hard has been the overlapping "domino crises" impact of drought, bushfires and now pandemic on indigenous communities
Vivienne Miller
01:30:56
Alan (Rosen)
Ingrid Ozols
01:32:16
Human touch - at any level... babies, grandparents not being able to hug or touch each other, putting a supportive arm around someone homeless....the impacts are huge... loss, grief, we will be doing this isolated.
David Perkins
01:32:22
We assume that adversity is the exception rather than the norm for many vulnerable and disadvantaged people
Ingrid Ozols
01:32:23
Pat you are fabulous thank you
Ingrid Ozols
01:32:48
Thank you David
John Mendoza
01:34:00
that’s a very good point David Perkins
David Perkins
01:35:10
If its the norm we need to establish locally led and sustainable solutions
John Mendoza
01:35:23
Some of the most disadvantaged people I’ve meet are very resilient.
Ingrid Ozols
01:35:49
Yes- even though they may not feel it
MHCC ACT
01:39:54
Really interested in 'pop up safe spaces' for mental health. What are they, how do they work, how many, are they state wide? Interesting to know whether this is something which might be part of a longer term solution for mental health issues not landing in emergency departments. (Leith MHCC ACT)
Kenneth Mort
01:40:26
Data from Social Media is hard because the lack of geographic specification.
Hazel Dalton
01:41:58
the longstanding flu tracker program is tracking COVID this year too - https://info.flutracking.net/ complement to the Swinburne app
Kenneth Mort
01:42:10
I'm interested in the pop-up mental health also.
Marita Linkson
01:43:48
Accessibility? We heard from A/Prof Jenny Wu on Tuesday that Taiwan has free mental health consultations for the public in every city! Imagine that.
33505250
01:44:26
MHC NSW web site showcases one Safe Space Collaborative being developed in SE NSW. Ref Tim Heffernan. https://nswmentalhealthcommission.com.au/living-well-agenda/living-well-mid-term-review/south-eastern-nsw
joseph hooper
01:45:39
We are developing training webinars for our indigenous presenters ( mental health and suicide awareness) and need to fund/supply laptops but we can't provide reliable internet...! So challenging to get the infrastructure in place....
Libby Gott
01:46:19
Can we just see the key messages again please?
Tim Heffernan
01:46:31
Thanks 3350520! Peer led alternatives to clinical 'care' are essential
Libby Gott
01:47:06
thanks so much!
Ingrid Ozols
01:47:07
Absolutely Tim......how will we/they fit into this digital world?
33505250
01:47:12
Tim - it is Chris Flynn here. My number shows, not my name. Have to sort that out.
Elizabeth Moore
01:47:13
are they safe haven cafés?
33505250
01:48:07
John Mendoza: seeMHC NSW web site showcases one Safe Space Collaborative being developed in SE NSW. Ref Tim Heffernan. https://nswmentalhealthcommission.com.au/living-well-agenda/living-well-mid-term-review/south-eastern-nsw
Kenneth Mort
01:48:10
There was also a mention of Friendship Benches for the 'pop up' in an earlier webinar
Kenneth Mort
01:48:37
London
Emma Greeney
01:48:40
Friendship Benches began in Zimbabwe!
Daryn
01:48:41
What about more funding multi disciplinary community mental health centres as per Gough worked well need more funding keep people at home and in community
Tim Heffernan
01:48:53
Poetry prescription pharmacies!
Chris Barrie
01:49:22
Taiwans integrated health system has a lot to recommend it. Not like our mental health system which seems to be patched on to a physical health system.
Ingrid Ozols
01:49:44
sounds awesome Tim... online music, songwriting, music lessons...
David Perkins
01:50:06
Secondary impacts such as homelessness, unemployment, loss of business, neighbours leaving community suggest a very broad approach will be needed. We will also need to see what happens in terms of there being an appropriately skilled and available workforce to meet the needs that have been identified.
Libby Gott
01:52:27
https://www.mhinnovation.net/innovations/friendship-bench?qt-content_innovation=1#qt-content_innovation
John Mendoza
01:52:54
agree 100% David. Waves of impacted cohorts is what we should expect
joseph hooper
01:53:24
Community led low key supports to help with early non-threatening intervention for preventative care needs more attention. Needs to be in acollaborative care model but we have community resources which are probably currently under-utilised due to the 'professionalism'of the space. Just a thought......
John Mendoza
01:53:55
Good thought Joseph
Ingrid Ozols
01:54:16
Am doing a great deal of lobbying with state and fed depts./gov /ranzcp/forensicare Victoria re people incarcerated being able or rather not able to access telehealth. The prisoner's famiiy is expected to pay - f they can't no service is provided for psychological/mental health? Would love more activity given the high risk population this is.
lisasweeney
01:55:43
Are these available online anywhere?
lisasweeney
01:55:58
(The key principles for Vic MH response)
John Mendoza
01:56:41
Lisa all slides and recordings are available
Prue Gleeson
01:56:52
Any trends on emergency departments and suicidality?
Kenneth Mort
01:57:04
this is the first webinar that mentions measurable increases of self-harm
Luis Salvador
01:57:59
WEBINAR SERIES Slides, and summaries available at
Luis Salvador
01:58:01
https://rsph.anu.edu.au/news-events/events/global-impact-covid-19-mental-health-webinar-series-ongoing
Ingrid Ozols
01:58:49
others have mentioned the reverse experience that suicidal behaviours/self harm presentations have decreased in ER
joseph hooper
01:59:02
Good comment Prue...are the increased call of distress and in particular suicidal thoughts being translated to service provision in acute or primary care sector? If not where are they going?
Luis Salvador
01:59:31
Marco Bertelli mentioned an increase of suicide attempts attended ER in Florence last week
Prue Gleeson
01:59:35
Yes thanks and a possible surge ahead??
Ingrid Ozols
01:59:54
Lifeline are reporting higher number of calls re a range of distress issues around covid
David Perkins
02:00:18
It should be possible to get indications from the helplines I.e. Lifeline, BB, Kids helpline etc
Ingrid Ozols
02:00:37
Absolutely David
Sebastian Rosenberg
02:00:53
Summaries of each webinar also posted to Croakey website.
Ingrid Ozols
02:01:13
Lifeline is collecting data...
Vivienne Miller
02:01:23
Lynne what is possibility of Hospital in the Home diversion from Admission in Vic?Thanks Alan (Rosen)
Ingrid Ozols
02:01:24
sure others are also
Luis Salvador
02:02:39
Thanks Lynne: ethics and human rights aspects are very important
Tim Heffernan
02:03:25
absolutely important luis!
Amelia Callaghan
02:04:06
Hi Viv, Orygen will be setting up 15 Hospital in the Home beds for young people in the next 6 months
Prue Gleeson
02:04:30
Need to think ahead about post suicide attempt psychosocial supports and safe spaces to prevent.
Kenneth Mort
02:04:32
We have a weekly survey here in NYC that measures the economic worries and food security stuff. It's a big problem.
Luis Salvador
02:05:20
Ken: do you gather data on psychological distress?
Kenneth Mort
02:05:36
Yes, but not every week
Kenneth Mort
02:05:56
It's a small panel, about 1200 persons
Ingrid Ozols
02:06:32
Thank you John & Luis for organising this - what a great panel and discussion from amazing individuals. Thank ou to all everyone for your lessons.
lyco0608
02:07:25
There are models similar to 'Hospital in the home' being considered in Victoria
Amelia Callaghan
02:09:42
Hospital in the HOme will also be in Barwon
aschmiede
02:10:20
evaluation of tele counseling an important priority given the significant investment and expansion of services,
Tim Heffernan
02:10:43
in this together - finally mh consumers are part if a whole community experience. no marginalisation with covid 19
Sebastian Rosenberg
02:11:06
how is sector contributing to Covid mental health plan?
zoe
02:11:20
There are Hospital in the Home models in WA in Youth and Older Adult Mental health
lisasweeney
02:11:31
Tassie is also trialling hospital in the home
Ingrid Ozols
02:12:01
That's fabulous re efriends.org.au/peer support in telehealth...
lisasweeney
02:12:08
Thanks Lucy, would love to know if the NMHC has a view on how this new crisis will impact the recon from the PC?
Julia Reynolds
02:12:30
thanks to all speakers and facilitators - fabulous webinar
aschmiede
02:14:31
spot on John
joseph hooper
02:16:54
Thank you John, Luis and all speakers and for the chat room participants...excellent event and I don't feel isolated at all....!
Kerry Hawkins
02:17:44
Great closing comments Lyn
Tim Heffernan
02:17:44
thanks Lynne
Lydia
02:17:59
Thank you everyone!!
Amelia Callaghan
02:18:32
Thank you John, and all involved
Tim Heffernan
02:19:34
luis the tsunami need to stay clear of mh. it needs swimmers in the community
Kenneth Mort
02:19:59
Thank you everyone so much.It's unfortunate that so many of the cities in the United State were here at these webinars to benefit from all this experience.
Tim Heffernan
02:20:29
Thanks JOhn and everyone