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Israeli Literature - Shared screen with speaker view
Paula and David
26:32
Sound is fine.
Phyllis Steiner
26:39
sound is fine
Linda Henry Goodman
26:54
In New York it's muffled.
Ruth Kaplan
26:56
I hear well too in San Diego
susanspitz
27:16
Much better
Linda Henry Goodman
27:23
Great, thanks!
Prue Thorner
27:26
Now its clear
Suzanne
32:42
Susan Miron and I would love to have at least one other person join with us to sponsor a session. Please email me if you are interested at slevin1143@gmail.com
Linda Henry Goodman
40:02
In my recollection, Wadi Nisnas is an Arab Christian neighborhood, is it not?
Ayala Weinberg
40:38
wish I had known my son and daughter in law attended medical school in Haifa in bat galim!
rachel amaru
40:57
Is Habibi Christian or Muslim?
rachel amaru
41:16
thank you Rachel!
robertakalmanson
48:45
absolutely not!
Michael Kaftor
51:11
The famous battle cry of the Palestinians was "et-bach el ya-hood" .. slaughter the Jews .. I shall never forget that.
robertakalmanson
51:54
The Christian arabs as well as the Muslims?
Karin Adelman
52:20
This class is NOT about politics- but the Jewish Israelis have also called horrible things in battle.
Solange Tajchman
52:22
interesting that we as Jews are known as son/daughter of and Arabs are known as father/mother of
Michael Kaftor
52:35
On the subject of killing Jews, they are united ..
Karin Adelman
53:14
Not at all. You are not in touch with the reality of the situation. I speak as an Israeli Jew. Enough politics. This is a literature class.
Ellen Stromberg
53:44
thank you, let’s keep it a literature class
rachel amaru
54:51
PLEASE, let’s try address this writing as literature, and not bring personal politics into it. Let’s just listen to Habibi — at least give him that courtesy
Tova Shimon
55:07
Literature, good literature raises questions-reak questions about life.
Suzanne
55:19
Anyone interested in sharing a sponsorship, total $600 a session, please email me slevin1143@gmail.com
Lawrence Kaplan
55:51
Thr dieirtionm between lirtrue snd olitics is untneale here.
Michael Kaftor
56:59
About Palestinians right of return, we have seen this movie .. and we didn't like it .. as a matter of fact, look at the neighboring countries, they cannot even get along with themselves ..
rachel amaru
57:02
I disagree. We can always listen. It is a significant power of literature, to hear another’s voice, even if you don’t agree.
Susan Mayer
58:53
What did Rachel say Naim means? Pleasantness?
rachel amaru
59:07
pleasant - like Noam
ehpressmang@gmail.com
59:07
Pleasant
lynnie2
59:08
pleasant
Tova Shimon
59:26
The questions Rachel asked us to ponder invites us to discuss the perception of reality. We have to discuss big and painful questions from divergent points of view. with civility.
Suzanne
01:00:44
Thank you Tova!
Kitty Hoffman
01:05:39
thank you
Tova Shimon
01:06:29
Toda rabba Rachel. Looking forward to reading his first story.
rachel amaru
01:06:37
me too
Erica Sokoloff
01:07:42
Ditto. What year was Wadi Al-Nisnass written?
Michael Kaftor
01:07:44
People who don't have access to FACEBOOK should use this link to access the files: https://1drv.ms/f/s!BEc01yiGbt8vjJhWbSilf9c27CITow?e=Q2lLxKz4a0mUSRFeTahUVQ&at=9
Kitty Hoffman
01:09:32
the term ‘diaspora’ is used regardless of whether there was choice or not — so people speak of the Indian Diaspora, the Chinese Diaspora, etc
Linda Henry Goodman
01:09:51
Yet we remember that so many of our people did NOT go to Eretz Yisrael, or Medinat Yisrael, for that matter, and we're still considered the Diaspora, and we still have the Right of Return if we so choose...
Naomi
01:10:25
It's not as loud as it usually it is.
Prue Thorner
01:10:28
The sound is breaking up again!!
Michael Kaftor
01:10:42
It's not a diaspora when on the average Palestinians was relocated about 20-30 miles from their homes .. and that's all .. as painful as it may be .. and Israel is willing to compensate them for this inconvenience ..
Rena Orenstein
01:11:51
Other peoples have diasporas. The Armenian diaspora.
stanleykay
01:11:59
Seems very clear, people wanting to return
rachel amaru
01:12:02
african diaspora
Linda Henry Goodman
01:12:09
Yes - for sure.
David Sochaczevski
01:12:41
illegal immigrants :)
Kitty Hoffman
01:13:06
not even anymore necessarily people who yearn to return — eg Indian diaspora, Chinese diaspora
Susan Mayer
01:13:08
Undocumented humans
Heather
01:13:21
hardly illegal immigrants if they were born there
Suzanne
01:15:22
People are not, can not be"illegal"
rachel amaru
01:15:42
thank you
Michael Kaftor
01:16:10
As much as it's that painful on the individual basis, on a national basis, this was simply a population swap .. Arab Jews went back home .. and Palestinians went back to the home country .. JORDAN .. which is 70-80% Palestinians.
rachel amaru
01:16:50
Please, Michael. Please refrain from posting your political viewpoints right now. Just LISTEN to what Habibi is saying - whether you agree or not.
Karin Adelman
01:16:56
Michael Kaftor- please stop giving us lectures of your version of the history
Karin Adelman
01:17:27
Let's listen to Rachel and to the author as above.
Erica Sokoloff
01:18:01
Actually, yesterday, May 2nd, was Habibi's 'yarzheit'
Michael Kaftor
01:18:25
Don't lecture .. just responding to others on their views unfounded views.
Karin Adelman
01:18:57
Wow you just don't stop.
rachel amaru
01:19:03
Michael Kaftor - you seem truly incapable of listening. You are the one posting your views. This inability to lesson lies at the root of the problem.
rachel amaru
01:19:15
listen - not lesson.
Deborah
01:20:08
I would suggest that the rest of us turn off chat and let Michael Kaftor lecture himself during this lesson!!
Marion Stein
01:23:43
That was AMAZING!!
Marion Stein
01:24:00
Thank you so much!
lynnie2
01:24:06
please be respectful of all points of view
susanspitz
01:25:24
Breaking up…
Michael Kaftor
01:27:53
lynnie2 .. thank you so much .. michael kaftor
Solange Tajchman
01:28:53
can we let Frona be in charge of letting Rachel know when sound is not working? Too many voices result in confusion…
Frona Kahn
01:28:53
if some ppl close their videos it will help bandwidth. says , Rachel
Frona Kahn
01:30:26
it’s helping. pl a few more ppl close videos . thanks
Tova Shimon
01:35:56
Toda Rabba Rachel.
Tova Shimon
01:36:16
You introduced me to two new stories
rachel amaru
01:36:19
thank you so much, rachel, for this class. much needed.
Kitty Hoffman
01:36:37
kol hakavod
terrytaffer
01:37:05
IT IS AN AWFUL THING TO CARRY GUNS IN THE USA!!!!
Tova Shimon
01:37:07
This stories do not rewrite history. They give us a human insight into the tragedy of war.
Sharon
01:37:40
Thank you, Rachel!
Erica Sokoloff
01:38:26
whether or not we agree with the causes, these pieces enable an empathy with the results of the conflict
Steven Broder
01:38:50
Thank you Rachel.
Ellen Stromberg
01:39:08
thank you Rachel
Rena Orenstein
01:39:28
Thank you!!
Abby Caplin
01:39:44
Thank you so much, Rachel!
Aviva Lev-Ari
01:39:52
Thank you,, Rachel, Great Session I am also from Haifa. a graduate of High School Huggim. All the best, Aviva Lev-Ari
Batya Fonda
01:39:57
Thank you for a very important session!
Harriet Wolpoff
01:43:09
Thank you for the diversity.
Tova Shimon
01:45:38
I learned in Rehovot and learned about Sabra and Shatila! Depends on the school.
Erica Sokoloff
01:46:45
Part of the issue is that most Jewish schools do not teach literature from the Jewish points of view either
Tova Shimon
01:47:15
I aught in Herzeliah in Montreal, and taught about S& S in our History course.
Lawrence Kaplan
01:47:40
D H Lawrence said " Trust the tale, not the teller. The story of Habib beginning with his mother was the tale. The political prologue was the teller.
Lawrence Kaplan
01:48:59
Erica: too true!
stanleykay
01:52:09
Rachel- sorry you have been attacked. Hopefully Rabbi’s who invite you should clue you in that there might be such people in the congregation to prepare you.
stanleykay
01:52:51
to everyone, from prior experience, try not to argue, just ignore people who misuse the chat.
Solange Tajchman
01:53:29
Thanks, Kitty!
Fabia Shaw
01:53:47
such a beautiful evening.....thank you Kitty and especially Rachel
Suzanne
01:56:46
I will again give my email slevin1143@gmail.com for anyone interested in sharing the sponsorship of a session. there are 3 already. the total cost is $600.
stanleykay
01:56:50
Please speaker, don’t see your name, don’t get into the gun issue! the difference- Israeli’s need them for defense of country. Here?
stanleykay
01:58:40
read 25 books, then you will be an “expert” like Jared K!
Solange Tajchman
01:59:39
Thank you, Rachel! We need to hear these voices!
Suzanne
02:00:08
Yasher Koach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kitty Hoffman
02:03:32
Some of the most anti-Zionist young people now, are young people who were raised on the ‘sanitised’version and were very disillusioned when they lived in israel and learned there complex reality. An over-reaction, perhaps; but they feel they were lied to.
ehpressmang@gmail.com
02:03:50
I found this session very moving and from a perspective I’ve never really read before, although I did recently read The Dancing Arab.
Suzanne
02:04:20
Omission is indeed a form of lying.
Kitty Hoffman
02:05:17
My comment was intended to be a compliment to rachel.
Kitty Hoffman
02:06:01
todah rabbah!
stanleykay
02:10:32
also, our Temple schools do an inadequate job both in preparing kids from our bubble suburbs to encounter anti-Semitism at college, and also that there is another side and that you can support Israel and right to survival, without out thinking it is perfect!!!!
stanleykay
02:10:48
thanks Rachel, this was not an easy session for you.
stanleykay
02:11:17
This is Joanne Kay, my name appears as Stanley Kay