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Just Mercy Film Discussion - Shared screen with speaker view
Zahabia
18:04
yes to "soda"
Jermale Eddie
21:07
…and we mostly gather on front porches and will pack out a house….w/no A/C
Melissa Baker-Boosamra, GVSU
21:55
I love front porches, Jermale!
Jermale Eddie
23:10
Can you restate the 3 questions?
Kaufman Interfaith Institute
23:23
What did you come to know?
Julian Newman
23:56
What did you think? How did you feel? What did you come to know?
Tamela Spicer
26:34
I didn't know that Tara :-( I had not read the book
Tara Baker
27:43
Book is so good.
Zahabia
28:48
The power is not often talked about in the system. We think policy and practices but it's actually so much interpersonal
Zahabia
33:52
Following up on Melissa- even though he was innocent!!!
Melissa Baker-Boosamra, GVSU
34:04
RIGGGHHHTT!!!!!!!
Zahabia
34:24
yes- Simin!!
Zahabia
34:52
Yesssss
Jermale Eddie
35:03
Black Wall Street in Tulsa
Melissa Baker-Boosamra, GVSU
35:04
So deep. To be programmed to accept it / be defeated in the face of such a multilayered system of oppression...
Tara Baker
35:53
Yes, and asking/telling that he must be making good money.
Simin
44:39
Carolyn that is an excellent point.
Beka Wicker
46:12
that narrative is very important to have. this work begins internally
Jermale Eddie
48:10
Dwight, Some don’t want to be seen as the “trouble maker”
Jermale Eddie
48:48
This why Institutions love people like Tim Wise
Dwight Hudson
49:13
Right Jermale
Jermale Eddie
51:20
They were PROUD of it too
Jermale Eddie
53:32
…therefore, we need reparations for the mental anguish and discrimination that we have undergone for years….it has killed some of us.
Zahabia
53:47
Does this group think this is a watershed moment or do we think things will just go back to "normal"?
Carolyn Ferrari
54:18
@Zahabia, I think that largely depends on us and where we go from here.
Carolyn Ferrari
54:26
Great question though.
Jermale Eddie
54:34
Lets be sure to not make “Black Lives Matter” be a “flavor of the week/month”
Zahabia
55:04
@Carolyn- this is my fear. Do I trust us to do something now? I
Zahabia
55:16
I'm just scared we will go back to status quo
Carolyn Ferrari
56:00
We can do our part to keep the knowledge going and support the the sustainability of the movement.
John and Karen Meyers
56:23
Thomas Jefferson said something like "Liberty is gained by Inches" It doesn't happen all at once, unfortunately. But it takes brave heros to gain those inches.
Simin
56:45
Maybe i am not realistic (although every quiz I take tells me I am :) ) but I do not think we will go back because we can't. I think we have reached the 'tipping point'.
Zahabia
56:48
Going back to Carolyn's point of knowing ourselves before moving forward and I find that people are so afraid to sit with the discomfort in humility to recognize the part we played in the system
Zahabia
57:18
*play
Beka Wicker
57:55
Especially reparations for the few, but numerous, Black people who have been acquitted from death row. Some of these people lost decades of civilian life to the racist system that locked them up. Without any reparations or apologies for all those years…. Anthony Ray Hinton is one.
Dwight Hudson
58:11
Has the protests and riots that have sparked from them forced people in this group to examine their own implicit biases?
Jermale Eddie
58:24
Many have not talked about the Economic Impact of all of this BS in the Black community and/or Black people in white community. It takes the wealth of 11.5 average black families to equal the wealth of 1 average white family
Melissa Baker-Boosamra, GVSU
58:46
Not about learning new things... but about LIVING IN A NEW WAY. Preach.
Zahabia
58:56
That's my fear. We won't change the way we live.
Zahabia
59:27
yes to Jermale
Tamela Spicer
59:33
I think it's a process. I know I've been on the journey on for several years and I'm learning and growing.
Rosemary Steers
01:00:03
Yes, ANOTHER watershed moment - these moments happen repeatedly but still we do not move closer to unity and equality. About the Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben pictures - and removing statues of those who were monsters - is that good? Is that bad? Are we erasing the history of our guilty?
Carol Robinson
01:00:38
GR-Wyoming is rated the 5th worst city to live in the US for Black/African American citizens. I am aware of the Center for Transformation, Urban League, etc. I want to know how to help. Donating money is one thing, but how do I better use my voice and privilege to help others?
Melissa Baker-Boosamra, GVSU
01:00:52
Carolyn…. Pick your part and COMMIT TO IT. Amen, amen, amen. And keep picking and doing. <3
Jermale Eddie
01:01:00
Many people of faith love to talk about love. However, we must also talk about justice. Love + Justice = Liberation…… we need true liberation!
Zahabia
01:01:19
Yes!!! Liberation
Melissa Baker-Boosamra, GVSU
01:01:36
One of my fave quotes: "Justice is love in public." - Cornell West
Zahabia
01:02:27
I love Carolyn's message, this is a journey but we need to have responsibility to change the systems of oppression at some point.
Rosemary Steers
01:02:32
How will the future generations of people know, be aware and act with justice if they really don't have an awareness of what has happened in the past? What about something like museums of racism in America - one or more per state - both sides of this issue - white stupidity (me) and awareness of what blacks experience and its unfair treatment by each other and by judicial and social systems?
Melissa Baker-Boosamra, GVSU
01:03:18
I'm sorry to dip in and out, friends. I would love to connect with all of you again, in our community... Have to go pick up my daughter at 8. Have to go. Thank you to hosts for this good and important discussion. Much love to all.
Kaufman Interfaith Institute
01:03:34
Thank you for being here, Melissa
Rosemary Steers
01:03:37
:)
Jermale Eddie
01:04:05
We all have to start somewhere. Not to toot my own horn, but take 15 minutes for yourself and or your family to learn & educate: https://www.fox17online.com/news/america-in-crisis/gr-family-starts-daily-black-lives-matter-learning-time-with-kids
Tamela Spicer
01:04:23
totally agree it's BOTH - AND
John and Karen Meyers
01:04:35
There is an excellent Jim Crowe Memoribilia Museum at Ferris State University. Racism in our culture becomes very obvious when you tour the museum. (Note - could be triggering for POC)
Zahabia
01:07:24
History is a big systemic issue
Tamela Spicer
01:07:36
Rosemary, there is also a small museum in GR.
Zahabia
01:07:36
Like the history of our police to capture escaped slaves
Carolyn Ferrari
01:08:36
@jermale I copied your link, can't wait to watch
Jermale Eddie
01:08:48
Juneteenth was taught to me by older aunties from the Southside of Chicago
Tamela Spicer
01:10:16
the sheriff was re-elected multiple times
Zahabia
01:10:19
There's no repercussions for those who wrongly accuse!!!
Carol Robinson
01:10:48
Sheriff Tate was re-elected 6 times after the trial, retiring in 2019.
Zahabia
01:12:04
Exactly what I said immediately when I watched the beginning of the video
Carolyn Ferrari
01:12:15
Good point Simin, but I think that as we change hearts individually and those people begin to be elected to office starting on a local level, i.e. change the system from the inside with individuals who are inclusive vs exclusive when it comes to humanity
Zahabia
01:12:16
Chavin looked so comfortable in that position
Tara Baker
01:12:41
Many innocent people die
Kaufman Interfaith Institute
01:12:55
In something I watched this weekend they said “The system is broken, it was built this way”
Tamela Spicer
01:12:56
there are also some communities that are trying to make it illegal to video an interaction with police
Kaufman Interfaith Institute
01:13:59
the system isn’t broken*
Miriam
01:14:34
Yes, Dwight!
Jermale Eddie
01:14:34
They system is working the way that it was designed to!
Miriam
01:15:01
We need a new system
Zahabia
01:15:04
yes, let's break the system
Rosemary Steers
01:16:07
Is the system broken, or are there broken people running the system?
Kaufman Interfaith Institute
01:16:13
I think both
Kim
01:16:30
Agree. Both.
Dwight Hudson
01:16:38
Both Rosemary
Jermale Eddie
01:17:08
The officer who killed Floyd, did with his knee what one does when they hunt deer. They do that move to wait for the “animal” to stop struggling.
Tara Baker
01:18:15
It is seen as entertainment
Tara Baker
01:18:29
Victim families would attend
Miriam
01:18:29
The execution- yes. It was mortifying.
Carol Robinson
01:18:30
There are “witnesses” at the execution. The family of the victim is always invited
Jermale Eddie
01:18:42
“Form of Entertainment” is what hangings were, what I fear that some of these videos have become. Some people use to send post cards of hangings
Simin
01:19:04
the chanting and singing of the inmates during the execution was so heart breaking.
Carolyn Ferrari
01:19:16
Black men being killed has a long history of being entertainment for white people. lynchings were like parties. food, celebration
Tara Baker
01:19:18
Yes, Jermale. I agree. It's sad
Beka Wicker
01:20:36
mass incarceration is the “new” lynching. lynching did not end when slavery was abolished
Kaufman Interfaith Institute
01:21:05
Something that has stuck with me from something I read was that racism never ended it just changed right under our noses
Zahabia
01:21:43
The humanity of the man who was executed was also prevalent too.
Jermale Eddie
01:23:03
Just do something! Everyone didn’t march with Dr. King. So drove cars, so fried chicken, some watched the kids, some made signs, some did x, y, z!
Zahabia
01:23:47
Support Black owned businesses. learn, read, build relationships
Kaufman Interfaith Institute
01:23:49
Read White Fragility!
Jermale Eddie
01:24:30
For some, its speaking up at Thanksgiving to the older family member who no one ever corrects
Zahabia
01:24:44
Have juice from malimiah juice bar for your discussions
Kaufman Interfaith Institute
01:24:51
^^
Beka Wicker
01:24:56
Rosemary - and everyone! Take some time for this talk from Just Mercy lawyer Bryan Stevenson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5DfVmtKgzw
Beka Wicker
01:25:17
Summary from Stevensons talk:
Beka Wicker
01:25:30
1. Get proximate. understand the problems
Beka Wicker
01:25:36
2. change the narrative
Beka Wicker
01:25:49
3. protect your, and our, HOPE
Beka Wicker
01:26:03
4. be willing to have uncomfortable conversations
Jermale Eddie
01:28:01
Also many of the voter volunteers are older
Tamela Spicer
01:28:22
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/6/22/headlines/kentucky_slashes_95_of_polling_places_ahead_of_primary_election
Kaufman Interfaith Institute
01:28:26
Best juice bar in town hands down
Jermale Eddie
01:28:40
Thank you all
Carolyn Ferrari
01:28:44
Where's the Juice Bar?
Beka Wicker
01:28:47
Jermale or I will be at the juice bar to take your order! lol
Miriam
01:28:56
Justice Juice
Beka Wicker
01:28:59
122 Oakes Street SW, Studio Park
Zahabia
01:30:22
Yes to Karen- we need to open up the system very intentionally
Tamela Spicer
01:31:09
breaking through but also breaking from some communities - this is so true in faith communities
Jermale Eddie
01:31:37
“When the system modified its decision on desegregation by approving the pupil placement law, it permitted tokenism to corrupt its intent. It meant that negros could be handed the glitter of metal symbolizing the true coin and authorizing a short term trip towards democracy. But he who sells you the token instead of the coin always retains the power to revoke its worth and to command you to get off the bus before you have reached your destination. Tokenism is a promise to pay. Democracy in its finest sense is payment.” ~Rev/Dr Martin Luther King, Jr. (Why We Can’t Wait)
Dwight Hudson
01:31:41
Karen it is war. Be strategic with where you are and make the moves.
Jermale Eddie
01:32:26
So they send their kids to the Boys & Girls Club that is predominately black and/or Latino
Dwight Hudson
01:32:27
If you are in a majority white area…be the Trojan horse by leading a committee or running for office
John and Karen Meyers
01:32:32
RIght now I am making moves to bring the Be The Bridge community to our neighborhoods.
John and Karen Meyers
01:32:43
Also within the areas of public education.
Tamela Spicer
01:33:46
if you're white and don't understand white privilege, read unpacking the knapsack
Carolyn Ferrari
01:34:12
Unpacking the Knapsack?
Jermale Eddie
01:34:22
When white people ask me what they can do (and I get a lot of this), I say that they can help to pay off a black owned business debt or mortgage, etc…propelling one closer to creating multigenerational wealth, hiring more black employees and keeping the money in the community!……. they never contact me again, unless they want to give away hotdogs
Tamela Spicer
01:34:23
https://www.racialequitytools.org/resourcefiles/mcintosh.pdf
Tamela Spicer
01:35:16
Wish I had the money to pay off someone's mortgage!
Tamela Spicer
01:36:14
Carolyn - see the racial equity tool link I posted
Carolyn Ferrari
01:36:47
Tamela, I copied it, thank you. this whole crew is a wealth of resources
Jermale Eddie
01:36:48
Folk aint woke….they might be waking up, but not woke
Jermale Eddie
01:37:56
Confession is good
Zahabia
01:38:00
I'm so sorry- I need to leave I love this conversation and thank you thank you Julian!!! Can someone save the chat for me so I can check out all the link
Kaufman Interfaith Institute
01:38:13
Yes I will be saving the link at the end and then sharing it!
Jermale Eddie
01:38:22
Many go from confession to lament….& they stay at lament w/o action
Kaufman Interfaith Institute
01:38:22
I will share it in this chat for everyone but will email it to you, Z
Jermale Eddie
01:39:49
Woke may not even be attainable or something to say that “I’ve Arrived”.
Dwight Hudson
01:41:18
Its a JOURNEY
Jermale Eddie
01:41:18
We have also given a pass to the “good person” or “good people”. I don’t have time for just “good people”. I need some accomplices…someone who will be willing to risk something in order to take a stand.
Jermale Eddie
01:41:25
WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO RISK?
Tamela Spicer
01:41:46
us white people do
Kim
01:42:01
I was just thinking about this today. My good heart is not enough. My good intentions are not enough....
Tamela Spicer
01:42:28
not really - the system is still structured to keep you in bondage
Kim
01:42:45
Yes.
Tamela Spicer
01:42:59
https://www.amazon.com/Slavery-Another-Name-Re-Enslavement-2009-01-13/dp/B01MY3M6PW/ref=pd_lpo_14_t_0/144-7068519-8457724?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01MY3M6PW&pd_rd_r=e3b4fb49-88c2-4957-8855-b44902da8b31&pd_rd_w=qXLTI&pd_rd_wg=xy1Jq&pf_rd_p=7b36d496-f366-4631-94d3-61b87b52511b&pf_rd_r=Z1ABDDQM546NV5093JS8&psc=1&refRID=Z1ABDDQM546NV5093JS8
Jermale Eddie
01:43:11
Slavery by Another Name: The Re-Enslavement of Black Americans from the Civil War to World War II by Douglas A. Blackmon
Beka Wicker
01:43:31
Kim - another good book is White Fragility
Kaufman Interfaith Institute
01:44:29
Here is the chat, everyone
Simin
01:45:37
And compassion. Practice it for others and yourself.
Kaufman Interfaith Institute
01:46:06
Continue learning, keep joining spaces like this, keep watching and reading, and have those uncomfortable conversations.
Beka Wicker
01:46:57
Ward - it is important to note how different the narrative is when we talk about OVERT racism and COVERT racism. Both are very prevalent, but covert racism tends to be more “socially acceptable”
Simin
01:47:34
YES!!!!
Kaufman Interfaith Institute
01:50:08
https://www.gvsu.edu/interfaith
Kaufman Interfaith Institute
01:50:12
@grinterfaith for instagram
Jermale Eddie
01:51:14
I loved when Kaufman brought Professor Larycia Hawkins from Wheaton to Grand Rapids!
Kyle Kooyers
01:52:18
Larycia was great... really illumed the difference between an ally and an accomplice.
Kyle Kooyers
01:53:09
also the intersectional identity dimensions of her experience at Wheaton
Tamela Spicer
01:53:28
Thanks Julian and Kaufman! Appreciate the work you do!
Tiana Hawver
01:53:44
Yes!
Dwight Hudson
01:53:49
Good stuff
Jermale Eddie
01:53:54
Check on your black friends, black employees, etc!
Carolyn Ferrari
01:53:56
This was truly amazing! Thank you! <3
Jermale Eddie
01:54:15
“If you see it point it out”
Kyle Kooyers
01:55:00
Thank you all!!
Jermale Eddie
01:55:10
Love peace & SOUL!