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Save Our Canyons Little Cottonwood Transportation Conversation - Alternatives that fail - Shared screen with speaker view
Grace Tyler
06:09
MUTE!!
Megan Anderson
06:41
The host can force mute everyone.
David Stein
06:43
Will you cover how very few of the Central Wasatch Commission's Staff Recommended Attributes and Objectives are met (even partially) by the UDOT Draft Alternatives?
Grace Tyler
07:40
We would like to give a big thank you to Everett Fitch with Big American Story for helping with the video project. And to The Conservation Alliance for funding the project. You can view it again here: https://saveourcanyons.org. And it will be playing on PCTV.
Megan Anderson
07:53
Is your Power Point available on your website?
alexschmidt
08:32
We will add the Power Point to our website after this presentation.
Megan Anderson
09:03
Thanks
Roger Bourke
14:10
Who again were those surveyed?
alexschmidt
15:48
We surveyed 53 trailhead locations over the course of a year. Talking to a few thousand people. Random, voluntary responses from canyon visitors.
Grace Tyler
17:33
Here is where you can read our newsletter: https://saveourcanyons.org/the-latest/newsletter
David Stein
20:16
And they're ignoring BCC, Parley's, Mill Creek, Emigration canyons.
David Stein
24:38
All users? So much for buses only part of the year and the gondola (only skiers)
David Stein
29:09
It also has a watershed effect which will affect everyone in the Salt Lake Valley.
David Stein
30:05
LCC Draft Alternatives... yuck.
Jay R Hydren
30:52
I feel this is more of a transportation during high avi danger, can you comment on this? Specifically the backing up of traffic on to 215. Can you comment on that, traffic on none holiday/weekdays without snow is very low, but weekend powder days it is a 2 hour mission to get to the lifts and backcountry access points.
kyle
31:21
I ran into a question today. Is there any NEPA protection or Forest Service project in this situation (particularly with the gondola) where public/tax payer dollars are being used to benefit private companies located on forest service land at the expense of the broader public?
David Stein
31:24
Proposal that meets ALL CWC recommendations: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hnhb3n7o1ye2i6g/Little%20Cottonwood%20Canyon%20-%20Boring%20Company%20tunnels%20proposal%20V2.1.pdf?dl=0
David Stein
33:00
If 21,000 per 3-hour period, that's 7,000/hr How is 1,000 figured to be 30% of 7,000?!?
David Stein
34:07
No Drop-off either
David Stein
36:43
1,000 per hour is a maximum rate for a 3S
Taylor Dankmyer
37:30
UDOT seemed to, on their public meeting mentioned that they purposely reduced the “max capacity” per hour for each transit option (including the gondola) just to meet that 30% reduction requirement (vs. telling us what their actual maxes are?), but maybe I misunderstood. Regardless, lots of info missed and not reported in the EIS.
Wendy Zeigler
37:33
Do we know why they are limiting it to that option?
David Stein
38:40
Cottonwoods Express estimated time from Gravel Pit to Alta is 4.4 minutes.
David Stein
39:09
Invisibly, with no environmental impact. And able to handle the entire 21,000 people in 1 hour.
David Stein
39:49
From parking lots and bus stations distributed geographically around SLC and environs.
David Stein
40:06
No traffic bottlenecks, reduced Wasatch Blvd. traffic.
David Stein
41:07
Well said Carl! No gondola!
Jay R Hydren
41:39
What are the potential impacts of self driving cars on access? Could likely have this by the time a gondola or snowshoes are build.
Ellen Birrell
41:54
Connecting recreationalists from their communities from around SL Valley, Lehi, airport, etc WITHOUT private cars. A regional transit plan that includes southeastern SL Valley is needed both for regular errands, commuters and recreationalists to LCC, BCC, Millcreek canyons.
Jay R Hydren
45:33
*snowsheds are built.
David Stein
45:53
UDOT says tolling is inequitable.
David Stein
46:23
We need a Mountain Transportation System that is far superior to driving up so people would rather take it than drive up.
David Stein
46:39
Faster, cheaper, more convenient, and free.
David Stein
46:44
Free to use.
David Stein
48:58
People would park below the toll and walk on the highway to avoid it. That has happened many times.
Ellen Birrell
48:59
More paving and more parking lots = More cars. Induced demand.
Ellen Birrell
49:22
For more information RE Wasatch Blvd Expansion, see SaveNotPave.org
Richard Hydren
52:41
you have a mute all button
David Stein
53:12
Is that a trial balloon?
Richard Hydren
55:50
thank you so much
Beth Allen
59:55
Has this proposal been shared with decision makers. How might we support this more comprehensive approach that considers protection of the environment?
David Stein
59:59
The Cottonwoods Express proposal actually addresses everything you're in favor of.
Megan Anderson
01:00:44
What is the best way to help Save Our Canyons get their option on the table? Comments? Donations to your organization? Do you have things to share on social media from your website?
Jay R Hydren
01:01:03
Thanks for your idea, this enhanced bus idea is worth a trial, might make it to self-diving cars, which could upend transportation and this could be a very different conversation at that time.
Grace Tyler
01:01:39
Thanks for attending our Zoom Hangout! You can make a donation to Save Our Canyons starting at $5 a month: https://saveourcanyons.org/give-monthly.
Roger Bourke
01:02:27
What specifically would you recommend we submit to the EIS?
Patrick Shea
01:03:17
Do you have a phrase for opposition and a bumper sticker?
David Stein
01:03:52
Everyone please read the Cottonwoods Express proposal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hnhb3n7o1ye2i6g/Little%20Cottonwood%20Canyon%20-%20Boring%20Company%20tunnels%20proposal%20V2.1.pdf?dl=0
David Stein
01:04:41
UDOT does not have the jurisdiction or authority to actually solve the problem. We should not expect they will.
Taylor Dankmyer
01:04:44
the EIS has asked for opinions on tolling and the additional parking lots as well, so definitely include your opinion on those in your comments.
David Stein
01:05:26
It has been submitted to UDOT, but their attitude is what you'd expect for road builders.
Natalie Thompson
01:06:56
I can guess that Alta loves any of these alternatives, as it means more people paying them for offering ski-oriented opportunities. What does Snowbird think?
Megan Anderson
01:07:57
Snowbird is right with Alta. They have said if the La Calie gondola station happens they will chip in.
David Stein
01:08:29
Unfortunately those kind of investigations are usually retrospective after they've already destroyed the canyons.
Taylor Dankmyer
01:09:18
Ski Utah (including Alta and Snowbird) have actively promoted the La Caille idea - all over social media this past weekend and even got KSL and some other media to call it a “4th proposal” :-/
Megan Anderson
01:09:37
Thanks to Save Our Canyons. Please help us know the best way to support you.
David Stein
01:09:53
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hnhb3n7o1ye2i6g/Little%20Cottonwood%20Canyon%20-%20Boring%20Company%20tunnels%20proposal%20V2.1.pdf?dl=0
Wendy Zeigler
01:09:55
What about the statistic floating around that increasing buses to a bus every 3 min would only decrease cars by 20%
josba
01:10:44
snowbird emailed about la caillle gondola asking to support it as well
alexschmidt
01:11:49
There are a lot of ways to help support Save Our Canyons. Become a member, share our posts, forward our emails to friends. https://saveourcanyons.org/donate
Megan Anderson
01:13:36
Thanks Alex
Taylor Dankmyer
01:13:44
As I mentioned, the EIS heads basically said they only looked to reduce traffic by 30% so all 3 proposals have a very similar “max” capacity per hour (And EIS acknowledged they purposely held back the maxes they listed), because they aren’t saying what reducing cars by 60% or 90% would do….
Ibu
01:15:36
10 days for a few hours. Resort Employees 1500 + are still driving in their cars.
alexschmidt
01:16:44
http://www.savenotpave.org/
Michael Dervage
01:16:49
Thanks to Carl and SOC for putting this together. If UDOT is going to add a lane anyway, why not have a changeable lane (think Seattle's floating bridge) and have it for busses only.
Patrick Shea
01:17:41
Carl for Mayor, or betrer for Governor!!!
David Stein
01:19:26
Cottonwoods Express will be free and distributed and tied into UTA bus routes and TRAX stations so employees won't need to drive. Much faster and more reliable and cheaper to use.
David Stein
01:19:43
The Cottonwoods Express is totally flexible on capacity and could have a max capacity of 48,000 per hour. With distributed delivery of people to lodges, base lodges, trailheads, climbing spots, etc.
David Stein
01:20:52
Leave the roads how they are now.
Grace Tyler
01:22:51
There are a lot of ways to help support Save Our Canyons. Become a member, share our posts, forward our emails to friends. https://saveourcanyons.org/donate
alexschmidt
01:23:10
Thanks everyone.