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Jason Poling
43:52
Amen.
Elizabeth
44:01
Amen!
Anjel Scarborough
44:05
Amen
Jan ESCMD she/hers
49:02
thank you for this changeup in the liturgy, this morning
Rob Boulter
51:27
Yes. Thank you for using inclusive expansive language.
Carrie Graves
51:45
I love EOW. :)
Scott Slater
54:22
These will be posted in the follow-up email.
Anne MacNabb
54:41
The regional gatherings start tomorrow?
Anjel Scarborough
55:40
I believe he said next week Anne
Anne MacNabb
56:41
Thanks, Anjel - I didn’t catch that.
Scott Slater
56:54
The first one is tomorrow morning. We just got these set up yesterday in the midst of triaging everything else. Again, for those who can’t reschedule for their own region, join another.
Matt Humm
57:09
shamagh scarves are also great. You can even fold them to hold filter materials
Rhetta Wiley
57:49
Please do not buy from Amazon.
Rhetta Wiley
58:01
I have parishioners who work there who are very afraid for their safety.
Scott Slater
58:01
No guidelines coming from denominational offices, though they are providing resources through Episcopal Relief and Development and CPG.
Grey Maggiano
58:31
Our vestry had questions about 20 feet for the Cantor. what is the basis for that number?
The Rev. Dr. Amy Slaughter Myers
59:18
Scott or Rob Boulter can you talk about the decision to not wear masks when live-streaming at the Cathedral? We are live streaming and we’ve gone back and forth on decisions on this
Ann Ritonia
01:00:25
do thee guidelines apply to Parish Day schools?
Thomas Bauer
01:00:37
There is a serious omission from the “surfaces to be disinfected” and I have a suggestion based on Church of England practices. Tom Bauer
Annette
01:02:52
Should each parishioner actually sign the covenant?
Loree Penner
01:03:21
Read the article on Choral Director’s Assn. website about singing - singing 20 feet away is not safe - all singing and loud speaking leaves a cloud of particles expelled from the lungs that can sit in the air for a very long time.
Anjel Scarborough
01:05:32
Rate of outdoor air exchange in our spaces is a safety consideration. If our churches have poor air exchange, the risk is higher for spread.
Eileen Menton
01:06:26
The covenant bullet re physical contact beyond family is being interpreted by some to refer to all physical contact including outside the church property. Is that you intention?
Elizabeth
01:06:58
Are there resources to train vestry/ushers for Trauma response?
Anjel Scarborough
01:07:15
The way masks have been politicized, we need to expect this.
Megan Stewart-Sicking
01:07:23
Could someone address indoor vs. outdoor singing with congregation or soloist/duet/quartet if possible outside?
Anne MacNabb
01:07:59
Loud speaking - so preaching without amplification is a problem - even 20 ft away. That makes this whole thing prohibitive for a lot of us. We may need to wait until times are safer.
Grey Maggiano
01:08:28
Will the Diocese provide Signage for us to use?
Tom Hudson
01:08:39
Is it appropriate to threaten to cancel the service unless they comply?
Pan Conrad
01:09:44
To Megan and all; from studies that I have done in various classes of clean-room the level of safety depends upon the rate of air movement. Even outdoors, there is a level of contagion that exists in the air and the length of time is dependent upon both the volume of air and the velocity at which it moves. There is also a dependency upon relative humidity.
Tom Hudson
01:10:23
I am concerned about the part about diocesan staff use - statistics. I cannot find that information, and the local health dept won't share it, so where is the DIo going to get the numbers, and how do we confirm that they are accurate?
Carrie Graves
01:11:17
Hi, Tom, the county websites provide updates and for those that aren’t the Sun is providing updates county by county. Scott will also consult with the scientists he is working with. Safety is no. 1.
RIck Laribee
01:11:17
Is there a #limit for outdoor gatherings?
Tom Hudson
01:11:19
Is it even possible to have communion? People would have to take their masks off...
Carrie Graves
01:11:59
No communion in the Orange Phase unless one priest consumes on behalf on all.
Carrie Graves
01:12:20
No food at all in Orange Phase, actually.
Anne Weatherholt
01:12:26
Bath and BOdy works has some small hand sanitizers on their website.
Megan Stewart-Sicking
01:12:33
Per Grey's comments above, please please provide signage or "editable signage" so I don't have to start from scratch. Not verbiage, the actual signs.
Elizabeth
01:13:10
What product(s) do you recommend to disinfect pews? We are worried about what would damage the stained pews
Kristin Krantz
01:14:16
There is a bullet point in the Orange Phase about communion wafers consecrated in cups - which is confusing if only clergy is supposed to consume.
RIck Laribee
01:14:34
Carrie: The guidelines you sent says in orange phase, “AfterInvitation to Communion, only wafers to be distributed, (the wafers having been consecrated by celebrant wearing mask). Communicants may come forward to receive standing only and continue to maintain social distancing”
Carrie Graves
01:14:38
Thanks, Kristin. I’ll bring that up to Scott in the Q & A time.
Pan Conrad
01:14:39
Elizabeth, I am doing an experiment on cleaners for wood stained or lacquered surfaces. I will need about five more days before I can answer, but there are some good non-bleach products that kill bacteria and viruses.
Martha Watson
01:15:11
Yes, if there are only 3 or 5others in the church for zooming, there are safe ways to distribute...separate patens, wine into small disposable cups.
Carrie Graves
01:15:11
Thanks, Rick. My apologies. I may have misspoken. I’ll ask Scott to clarify at Q & A time.
Ramelle McCall
01:15:13
Thanks for that answer Scott+ about insurance
Anne Weatherholt
01:15:14
Murphy's oil soap is made for wood. The soap kills the bacteria
Pan Conrad
01:16:06
Yes! So far, the Murphy’s is winning in my experiment, but I have not done enough sampling on it (to see if I can plate any microbes)
Pan Conrad
01:16:19
It will take another five days
Carol Burnside
01:16:54
A very good method of disinfecting is with a spray bottle of white vinegar and a spray bottle of 3% hydrogen peroxide. Spray vinegar first, wait a moment, then spray peroxide. Some say this is more effective than bleach. It is certainly much safer for people and the environment. Sam’s Club has two-packs of each for cheap! Dollar store for spray bottles. Label each because they look similar, or attach sprayer directly to peroxide bottle.
Anjel Scarborough
01:17:33
It's more of a problem when the toilets are flushed and the virus becomes aerosolized. A bleach protocol before flushing can dramatically reduce risk.
Jan ESCMD she/hers
01:17:49
don't forget light switches too for high touch surface
Tom Hudson
01:19:10
That form needs n/a for some items, such as outside use of church.
Carrie Graves
01:22:12
Thanks for all the great suggestions, Everyone. We will address lots in Q & A time and I’m making notes on resources and requests for resources. #teamwork!
Annette
01:22:21
AA and AlAnon are accustomed to drinking coffee and perhaps eating snacks. Shouldn't their covenant include a clear statement not to have coffee or any food?
Anjel Scarborough
01:23:05
Will there be benchmarks on what a step backward would look like? We may have to anticipate that this will not be a linear process and we may need to move backward at certain times.
Ann Ritonia
01:25:10
Will a copy of this power point be available
Anjel Scarborough
01:25:27
Our local counties are all doing different things. The Bishop may allow a move that our local authorities do not.
Carrie Graves
01:25:43
Yes, Ann. We will get it out, probably tomorrow (need a little longer than just today), with the revised materials as a result of today’s conversation.
Carrie Graves
01:26:55
Thanks, Anjel. Local auth come first. For example Baltimore City and County are not where other counties are right now so churches have to choose based on local government and health officials.
Megan Stewart-Sicking
01:27:34
People should be able to pack their own food and water. Some people can't go without food that long--- like kiddos who eat snacks during church--- or outdoor services in heat without water would be tough
Taylor Smith, St. Mark's, Howard County
01:30:05
Power Point, Video and Chat should be available to everyone, not behind the clergy portal wall. I'd like my vestry and other parishioners to watch this.
Grey Maggiano
01:30:17
Carrie — is communion allowed or not during orange phase?
Ann Ritonia
01:30:17
can we use commercially wrapped wafers?
Annette
01:30:34
"Family" is ambiguous. "Household" is clearer. Otherwise, you get not only mom, dad, and kids, but one or two pairs of grandparents, all wanting to cram into the same pew.
Carrie Graves
01:30:43
Hi, Grey. I apologized up top. I misspoke. I will bring this up during Q & A.
Kirk Kubicek
01:31:49
Does celebrant wear gloves?
The Rev. Susan Oldfather
01:31:57
Concordia offers individually packaged filled cups with a wafer sealed together. Can these be placed in a large bowl for consecration and then safely distributed?
Anjel Scarborough
01:32:22
FYI Susan, those are filled with grape juice, not wine.
Kristin Krantz
01:32:45
Gloves are only effective if changed consistently, better to continuously sanitize hands.
The Rev. Susan Oldfather
01:32:56
Didn't know that. So we would be Methodists for a while :)
Loree Penner
01:33:06
yes they are, but we are not giving out wine, just wafers - if we were to use these, they would get the cup as well, and they are already sterile.
Eugene Sutton
01:33:08
The celebrant does not need to wear gloves, but absolutely needs to have his/her hands sanitized just before the Eucharistic Prayer.
Kristin Krantz
01:34:17
This take on pastoral visits is different than the draft - is this the updated guideline?
DC
01:34:19
if we use paper cups why not distribution of wine in the same manner as host?
Mark Stanley
01:34:37
How do you stay six feet apart as you drop a wafer into someone's hands?
Eileen Menton
01:34:44
Who is responsible for sanitizing before,, after and during outside groups in the building?
Loree Penner
01:34:48
those paper cups are not really made for drinking from
DC
01:35:01
you don't....they pick up the cup to take wafer
Annette
01:35:19
Mark, you're about 3 feet away for about 3 seconds.
Eugene Sutton
01:35:57
The outstretched hand of the server dropping the wafer into the outstretched hand of the communicant for a few seconds presents a very neglible risk.
Anjel Scarborough
01:36:04
Not just widely available, but affordable. The cost of testing will be a barrier for some.
DC
01:36:28
will have to work out logistics of people coming forward and returning to stay apart...will have to step aside and wait while others come forward.
Megan Stewart-Sicking
01:37:01
Wouldn't it just be easier for the priest to move with wafers rather than every person moving to get it?
Loree Penner
01:37:47
For churches with no side pews, communion will be an issue re: social distancing as they come and go.
Eugene Sutton
01:38:09
Megan, that is also an excellent suggestion. We are open to all sorts of ideas for distribution than just the ones we have described.
Dina van Klaveren
01:38:43
Can people bring bread from home? We are planning a “Picnic Church” worship experience outdoors, where people bring own chairs, masks, blankets & bread to share among household.
Kristin Krantz
01:39:04
On the Disinfecting Checklist can the gendered language for the restrooms be eliminated?
DC
01:39:13
we have no side aisles...folks will have set aside and wait as others come forward...we will be distributing plans to folks along with instructions and rehearsal
RIck Laribee
01:39:16
I think the priest moving to the people rather than the people coming forward has ancient precendent
Rob Boulter
01:39:23
This is very comprehensive. Thank you for your careful and thoughtful work!
Eugene Sutton
01:39:29
The distribution of wine in the Orange Phase is too risky at this stage. A full communion in one kind needs to be stressed.
maryhtdavisson
01:39:35
If the priest is walking around distributing the wafers, just spending a few seconds with each person receiving, does she still say “The Body of Christ” to each? Is it safer, and is it liturgically acceptable, to remain silent or mouth the words rather than speak out loud to each person?
Dina van Klaveren
01:40:16
Also: we are planning a bonfire lament service if anyone wants to talk about that.
DC
01:40:20
why is wine too risky?
Pan Conrad
01:40:25
Thanks for these documents. I appreciate the amount of work that has gone into this.
DC
01:40:32
if done in exactly the same manner has host
Eugene Sutton
01:40:45
The priest should still say “The Body of Christ”, but remember that he/she is wearing a mask.
Loree Penner
01:41:09
Masks help; they do not stop the virus from being distributed.
Carol Burnside
01:42:30
Humming chants could be very deep prayer.
Nancy Hennessey
01:43:02
Thank you for all your hard work. Stay safe!
sharon watts
01:43:18
can you clarify when priest celebrating communion and preaching should mask? My people who are hearing impaired depend on reading lips
Rev. Jessica Holthus
01:43:58
Sharon, there are masks that allow a clear spot over the part of mouth for hard of hearing or deaf lip reading folks
Rev. Jessica Holthus
01:44:07
I’d suggest looking into this and getting some
garretthcarskadon
01:44:11
Knowing that there is some emphasis on contact tracing, will we need to keep a list of those in attendance if someone later tests positive and did not know they were ill at the time.
Eugene Sutton
01:44:24
We have been convinced by our team that someone wearing a mask and saying a sentence for a few seconds to someone also wearing a mask 3-6 feet away has a negligible risk on transferring a virus. chance of trans
AnneMarie Richards
01:44:27
Please remember that if you use a cantor he/she should not use the same location as anyone else. For example, please don’t have the lector and singer share a microphone or lectern.
Kristin Krantz
01:44:29
I understand that more guidelines for early childhood education will be released by Dr. Salmon this week
Ascension Church
01:44:46
If the wafers will be covered during the consecration prayer, why does the priest need to wear a mask?
Loree Penner
01:45:15
Droplets can go through the cloth
Elizabeth
01:45:49
Thank you, Scott. I appreciate this.
Ascension Church
01:46:09
If a church is not ready for public worship, can we have private communion for individuals or families by appointment?
Megan Stewart-Sicking
01:46:35
If you only have one service I don't understand why prayerbooks are a problem. If they sit for a wek between services, there would be no virus left
sharonmyer
01:46:47
Can the toilet have a cover that could be closed when one flushes?
RIck Laribee
01:47:25
Why not cover the wafers with clear plastic wrap to protect from the priest?
Annette
01:47:35
Can we clearly say that in Phase Orange the lay eucharistic visitors are not to go to people's homes to give communion?
Eugene Sutton
01:47:46
Megan, in your situation that one use of prayer books seems reasonable. BU
Eugene Sutton
01:48:17
BUT you would have to make sure that that particular book is only handled by ONE person during the service.
Ascension Church
01:48:41
Rather than try to disinfect the bathroom surfaces after every single use, why couldnt we instead have hand sanitizer outside the bathroom?
Christopher Pyles
01:48:46
A covered ciborium would keep the hosts safe during the eucharistic prayer, I imagine
sharon watts
01:49:28
I have a group of people who want to do temperature checks before entering the church- no one are medical people and I am concerned about touch between those reading, instructimg use and same instrument between people
Stephen Alpern
01:50:22
someone may cough or sneeze in restroom
Megan Stewart-Sicking
01:50:26
Why can't people bring their own food for a picnic? I don't understand why people can't bring their own food. It doesn't make any sense.
Rochelle Harrison
01:50:29
person wthin yor congregation may work in the medical field. they may be helpful regarding training or training resources.
Mary Stanley
01:50:40
please describe how you imagine the covenant process would go
Dina van Klaveren
01:50:55
We are spreading out families with very young children because we know when they see their friends they will want to hug, play, etc.
Jan ESCMD she/hers
01:51:19
I wonder about child friendly language for covenant for families to use... I will take this to the Christian Formation Council.
Anne Weatherholt
01:51:20
Don't forget to tap into the Parish Nurses.
All Saints' Leader
01:51:25
Regional clergy leaders will be reaching out to all clergy in their region to meet over the next two weeks. A lot of our local questions and the nuances of our own demographics and county specifics can be handled and trouble shooting in our regional conversations.
Mark Gatza
01:51:39
We should still be broadcasting services during the Orange period, so people who have needs for food, &tc. are not completely excluded.
Peter
01:51:51
We're not really close in AA County, a few weeks out at best, but which clergy think they'll open their churches first?
Travis K. Smith
01:51:51
Can people bring their own bread for communion?
sharon watts
01:52:04
Diabetics with orange juice
Christopher Tang
01:52:17
Has anyone talked to a child psychologist about the impact of these practices on their mental health? Just imagine walking into church with a bunch of masked adults pretty scary. Might this just compound the trauma?
Rob Boulter
01:52:19
Do you mean you are using science to make decisions?
Joanne Tetrault
01:52:23
Thank you for all of this work and planning, and thank you, Chris, for your words.
Annette
01:52:30
I am trying to tell parishioners a lot about what will be different, and I actually hope that quite a few will decide not to come back yet. Give them enough information that they can make an informed decision.
Grey Maggiano
01:52:40
The State very much encourages Churches to maintain a list of attendees to help contact tracing efforts
Grey Maggiano
01:52:49
We should really add this in to the guidelines
All Saints' Leader
01:53:13
Scott- can you speak to the need to maintain online worship while regathering for limited in person worship.
Thomas Bauer
01:53:28
Many people are concerned about “saving trees” as well as virus issues. Having to print out all the service in bulletins (Baptism perhaps; MP, different rites of HC etc. uses lots of paper that’s already in prayer books, hymnals etc. So, rather than put the family’s books in “plastic bags,” we could adopt the English custom of having all books in the back, and giving out and then disinfecting them after each service. This would save lots of paper waste and satisfy virus concerns. It might be an option for post Covid. It is expensive to purchase multiple BCPs, Hymnals etc for 300 pew seats when we only have 75 people each Sunday. TWBauer
jsutp
01:53:50
We should also ask each parishioner if they have been out of the area or traveled anywhere in the past 14 days. If so, we will need to find out where and what the stats are in the area they traveled to. This would or could impact their attendance as we are in the reopen phase
Loree Penner
01:54:52
We do have a child psychologist in our parish.
Pan Conrad
01:55:04
I had my sister make me masks that look like a Dalmation.
Taylor Smith, St. Mark's, Howard County
01:55:07
I like Travis' idea: have people bring their own bread. I know we're not consecrating online, but can we consecrate from 30 feet? Intentionality is important, no? Is it sufficient?
sharon watts
01:55:10
that would be great to do video for children love that Scott
Loree Penner
01:55:30
People who have been out of the area should quarantine for 14 DAYS
Anjel Scarborough
01:55:36
Doing it ...
Christopher Tang
01:55:44
Love the idea of the video Scott+
Steven McCarty
01:55:54
My wife, our parish nurse with over 40 years as an RN has done an excellent video on St. Andrew’s Clear Spring FB page on how to wash your hands.
DC
01:56:06
we have a group that have made 2,000 masks that have been distributed...we'll add the seasonal twist
Megan Stewart-Sicking
01:56:11
There is a lot about masks and kids, but if they have a sensory issue, anyone with that disability is ousted
Mark Gatza
01:56:12
Slabbinck has already begun marketing liturgical colored masks.
Loree Penner
01:56:38
So has Almy
Lisa+ Bornt
01:56:42
clergy image is also offering masks in liturgical colors
Elizabeth
01:56:45
Thank you for all of this. I need to head out. Be safe everyone.
Pan Conrad
01:56:50
GTG, I have to lead a book study and worship now…
Ann Ritonia
01:57:14
we are going to use sign up genius to make sure we do not have to turn people away at the door because we are full as well as keep some open seats for visitors
DC
01:58:25
a time when small churches have an advantage!!
Ann Ritonia
01:58:54
save some seats for visitors
DC
01:59:43
we have capacity for 100, can now accommodate about 30....come on down!
Carol Burnside
01:59:59
Closed circuit tv could be used in parish hall, like Cathedral did at Wes+ memorial service.
Steven McCarty
02:00:32
St. Andrew
Anne Gross
02:00:52
we plan to take temperatures as folks enter. with non-touch thermometers.
Anjel Scarborough
02:01:22
Just remember 70% of COVID-19 positive people are not running fevers when they are infectious.
Stephen Alpern
02:01:45
EMS and police dispatchers have standard questions they ask prior to arriving at every call
Linda Kapurch
02:01:46
Thank you all, I need to ZOOM out for a Dr's Appointment!
Steven McCarty
02:02:17
St. Andrew’s Clear Spring will be using the parish hall for additional space & FB Livestreaming to the parish hall. Our parishioners have said they will give up sitting in the Church for visitors.
Kristin Krantz
02:02:32
How do we decide limit on number for outside services?
Loree Penner
02:02:36
I agree with Anjel - and Glen Meadows Retirement Center took temperatures regularly, and have had an outbreak in spite of that.
Carol Burnside
02:02:54
Disinfectant: white vinegar plus peroxide
Anne Weatherholt
02:02:55
Ollies had bottles of hand sanitizer on sale last week made by local distillery
Betsy VanAuker
02:03:00
Is the ordination service going to be broadcast?
Anjel Scarborough
02:03:13
Monitoring temperatures could give a false sense of safety - more show than effective.
Mark Gatza
02:03:40
I got my touchless thermometer from a kitchen supply store -- works the same way at a very reasonable cost.
Jason Kamrath
02:03:49
There is also a financial webinar with treasurers & other leaders at noon for anyone interested in discussing financial topics. It will be recorded. https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3705392126?pwd=Q0tDZzlvQkVCWWViTTZkNEZwa0MzZz09 Password EDOM
sharon watts
02:04:40
FDA states that non touch thermometers are an increased risk between the person who has the thermometer and the person who is being tested for transmission under 6 feet apart
Ramelle McCall
02:05:07
Question: Can diocese offer assistance or new grants for PPE? Unfortunately none of our churches budgeted for this?
Ann Ritonia
02:05:24
Howard county 10 or less
AnneMarie Richards
02:05:31
If you are thinking about taking temps with touch-less thermometers, be sure you purchase ones that are calibrated for taking human temps. The ones in hardware stores and other places will not properly record human temps!
DC
02:05:46
Baltimore County says indoors
Todd Young
02:05:51
Jason, is that financial webinar linked on the diocesan web page?
Steven McCarty
02:06:08
I think it is 50% for all religious services
DC
02:06:32
10 people indoors reissued on the 15th
DC
02:07:15
Baltimore county no more than 10 people in ALL locations
Carol Burnside
02:09:33
a time of Both/And, not exclusively
Dina van Klaveren
02:09:34
I’ve shared a document of the gatherings we are discussing with our Regathering Discernment Team in case it ids useful for others.
Carol Burnside
02:10:00
exclusivity
Stephen Alpern
02:10:05
A number of distilleries in Maryland are making hand sanitizer in bulk
Chip Lee
02:10:13
If Jesus healed from afar…about time we caught up
Ramelle McCall
02:10:24
Can the diocese offer assistance or new grants for PPE? Unfortunately none of our churches budgeted for this?
AnneMarie Richards
02:10:35
Have to jump off now, but huge thanks to everyone for helping us plan for both loving and caring for our brothers and sisters.
DC
02:10:56
add wine to that...….
Anjel Scarborough
02:11:07
Yet the National Cathedral does this at large worship services.
Carol Burnside
02:11:29
no eating
Dina van Klaveren
02:11:32
(And in PDF form)
Anjel Scarborough
02:11:43
Thank you Dina
Ann Ritonia
02:12:00
What about individually wrapped wafers (gluten free)
DC
02:13:11
paper cups are easy to get and cheap and recyclable
Steven McCarty
02:14:36
I must sign-off. I have a Pastoral Call.
DC
02:14:45
yes...BB& T our bank was useless
DC
02:14:57
Paypal did it quickly
Mark Gatza
02:15:23
Emmanuel got one from PNC bank.
DC
02:15:31
credit unions and Rosedale
garretthcarskadon
02:16:06
Smaller parishes won’t need a large number of masks. Is it possible that the Diocese could place an order and we could make a request for 20 or so instead of trying to place an order where the cost may be higher because of the small number needed?
The Rev. Susan Oldfather
02:17:01
Chris, thank you for your homily. I really appreciate your thoughts. Scott and everyone, this presentation and q & a were very valuable.
Ann Ritonia
02:17:47
lovely message Chris
The Rev. Randy Callender
02:18:56
Amen
jsutp
02:18:57
Thank you and a have a great day
Anjel Scarborough
02:19:02
Thank you!
All Saints' Leader
02:19:05
thank you!