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Homeschooling and Unschooling in 2021: A Summary of the Research - Shared screen with speaker view
Liza Loop
25:39
It’s important for those of us in the States to keep in mind that the pandemic is not over in many other countries.
Erin
29:32
In Canada, BC is questioning the safety of the number of Special Ed learners choosing home learning and is implementing new policies on July 1. Limits to homeschooling are coming for Fall 2022.
Erin
30:21
They are choosing home learning for the $20K, not actually wanting to homeschool.
Barry Chiate
31:31
JUST CURIOUS…We have known practically nothing about the way our brains develop and function and what our minds are capable of doing. There is the classic expression: We are only using 10% of our brains. Isn’t it time where we start to discover what that other 90% is?
Erin
32:25
@Barry - Glad to see you, Barry! Maybe homeschoolers are using more brain power than kids who attend school.
Su Verri
33:55
exactly Barry, we have been talking a lot about this in our community
Erynn Albert
34:14
I have been hearing from the crisis homeschoolers a lot of concern about their kids getting “behind” . Not understanding their kids are learning all the time, but during crisis just focusing other things… naturally prioritizing. So I look forward to hearing the good data. They need proof that it will be ok…
Liza Loop
34:15
@Gina, when you say ‘learning’ are you focusing on academic subject learning or learning in general (including learning how to walk and talk or care for elders)?
Juliet Silveira
36:11
Barry - Adriana Vasile is a neuroscientist and is conducting a talk in another room right now getting into the nitty gritty of this if you’re interested.
Linnea Schluessler
37:18
I'm guessing you meant metaphorically, but it is a myth that humans only "use" 10% of their brains.
Juliet Silveira
37:42
@Linnea yes my understanding is this phrase is a common phrase but is demonstrably false.
Gabriela Ramirez
38:55
I keep wondering on the trend on early years that advocates to breastfeeding until babies and mothers are ready, to free movement instead of early stimulation and responsive care. It’s like unschooling principles regarding the respect the child’s natural development beginning earlier in the person’s life.
Barry Chiate
39:04
Cont: Everything imprints is the first 3 or 4 years of life and by 5 research has shown that the fundamental character of a person has already been imprinted that will last for a lifetime. Again…I think we literally need to open our eyes to basic human body mind development.
Erynn Albert
41:54
We lose our confidence because our traditional cultural experiences tell us they MUST go to school to learn . Organic, breastfeed, co sleep, wood, cotton. And the best schools… this is the culture
Liza Loop
43:14
Are you also weaving in Bandura’s Self-Efficacy Theory?
Liza Loop
46:41
Any credible study in social science must be mixed methods, IMHO.
Su Verri
46:50
Can you share the link of this research?
Barry Chiate
48:48
Compulsory education really screwed up my life. I was a goody-goody and a people pleaser. One shining lead to another and I am just emerging from intense PTSD for a lifetime that literally paralyzed my body. I love Alice Miller and her basic books: The Drama of the Gifted Child and For Your Own Good. Her words: Emotion attaches meaning to experience. Without an emotion or feeling nothing is ever embodies - no Wisdom = knowledge plus experience. Where is any emotional awareness in the public school? SEL is finally beginning to emerge. Alice called Compulsory Education - Institutionalized Insanity. All of her work is about how the first 5 to 6 years form and shape a person’s whole life. She even relates to the childhood of Adolph Hitler. Hitler was a pretty good artist as a teenager. He applied to art school but was rejected at least twice. So…off he went to the military and the tragedy that followed. Imagine if he was allowed to get into an art school. What have we learned: Art gets in the way
Su Verri
49:36
I totaly agree with the benefts
Erynn Albert
50:04
Great movie just premiered Chasing Childhood - exploring over scheduling and helicopter parenting.
Liza Loop
52:17
Are we making assumptions about the social-emotional atmosphere in homes that homeschool? There are also repressive families that homeschool because they want to control their conservative culture and protect their kids from “evil” influences. Is this population being captured in your quantitative data?
Su Verri
52:57
Gina, I am loving it, I have become your fan. I have been an unschooler mom for 6 years and I work with supporting moms on the path to unschooling. I will look at all the links and materials you brought. Very valuable research for me!!! I am vibrating!!!
Erynn Albert
54:25
But NY does allow us to choose what we teach and how we teach it, as long as we follow the the regs and show our plan and document what we do… Very possible to unschool legally in NY. And the documenting helps later on to apply for college apps
Linnea Schluessler
56:07
What was the name of that book?
Juliet Silveira
56:17
Educated by Tara Westover
Linnea Schluessler
56:22
Thx!
Su Verri
56:25
I cannot say the same about Brazil @Erynn. That's why all these inspirations and studies are so important.
Juliet Silveira
57:26
its about a girl who’s parents “unschool” but it more closely resembled what liza loop was mentioning - her parents were very religious, her father suffered mental health issues, and there was violence and other issues in her family.
Erynn Albert
57:41
Yes, with fluid movement through child to teen to young adult.. no solid beginnings and endings .. learning happens continuously. So the transitions are less abrupt
Su Verri
58:26
perfect this separation. I do the same
Erynn Albert
58:37
Yes Su, absolutely imperative. The proof in the pudding
Barry Chiate
59:45
I’m going to have to leave soon. One more thought: I recently rediscovered Viktor Frankyl - a psychiatrist who survived 3 years in Nazi Concentration Camps. He is known for his book: Man’s Search for Meaning. He relates how finding meaning in your life is the center of everything. His connection to the value of his own personal Meaning - saved his life in the concentration camps. He calls this Logo Therapy. Including the active search for meaning in your own life is directly a main part of his therapy. The active search for meaning in your own life in the present goes along with conventional therapy. KNOW THY SELF - who am I? What brings real meaning to my life? I belief this should be the foundations of a functional human education. This is at least 3,000 years old. People will do anything to find attention and meaning Teenagers will bring guns into school and kill other students in an attempt to get attention and to be seen and heard. Gee…maybe emotional education should be included in education.
Linnea Schluessler
01:00:44
I led programs at universities and community colleges. Both of them are hugely motivated to accept as many students as possible. Don't worry about not being able to go to college. Be worried about paying for it.
Shari
01:02:15
Gina - I absolutely love your Palgrave Macmillan book!
Gabriela Ramirez
01:03:09
would you be ok sharing your email?
Liza Loop
01:03:19
Historically, apprentiseship served the same function as school does today for many young people. How do you see apprenticing fitting in to the home/unschooling ecosystem?
Wendy Raver (she/her)
01:03:48
I have several homeschoolers/unschoolers with special needs in mind, Gina!
Su Verri
01:03:48
I have a trans daughter and I am absolutely certain that it would not be an easy transition at all if she were in school. So being unschooling in this sense has been fundamental for her to discover herself in her own time and in a healthy way, without oppression and trauma
Su Verri
01:04:21
where is the doc?
Gabriela Ramirez
01:04:29
g.ramirez.vergara@gmail.com
Erynn Albert
01:04:38
The book helps quell the fear of the unknown for those that are interested but scared to untether
Erin
01:05:52
I was surprised to get into 7 different phd programs based on the idea of studying unschooling motherhood. The only U that gave me a hassles was the one where I already worked!
Liza Loop
01:06:10
Is there a need for more tools for discovering personalized learning activities for independent/home/un schooled learners?
Nada Fakhro
01:07:26
thank you Gina! you are a beacon of light to all. I wish I could have continued unschooling. In Bahrain it is virtually unheard of and homeschooling is not legal. Perhaps this will be a reality soon. thanks to people like you.
Liza Loop
01:08:16
In the survey I did one respondent (age 12) said she learned how deeply her school had abridged her civil rights.
Linnea Schluessler
01:09:20
I think there is need for tools for discovering personalized learning for all life-long learners, but even more than that incorporating educational microstructures that are responsive to neurocognitive factors that empower accessible, ethical knowledge gathering and iterative skill-building.
Erin
01:12:22
A former coworker of mine published a great Canadian starter book for homeschooling, “Homeschooling with Ease” by Robynn Honeychurch, and the forthcoming follow up is Curiosity: Learning at its Best.”
Shari
01:12:47
Can you speak about your unique role and amazing journey of unschooling mother/psychologist/researcher?
deborourke
01:13:09
Keep coming back, Gina!
Lucy Chen
01:13:12
can you share the doc again? thanks
aero 6
01:13:19
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EFv7OK_V_BemXmjKP1dbP_ZMpMdsdorYWr9ZxcXY5dU/edit?usp=sharing
Erynn Albert
01:13:35
Gina, your are the bridge from the traditional academic universe and alternative world. You are not anti school, which helps them listen and respect what you are finding. Your voice has such weight. Keep on Trucking!
aero 6
01:15:38
griley@hunter.cuny.edu
Erynn Albert
01:15:43
I loved Ken danforths talk for Princeton learning center about outcomes.
Denise
01:17:35
what is the email address you will be contacting us from so I can put it in my contacts to ensure I receive your emails?
Juliet Silveira
01:18:03
Can we put the google spreadsheet for the giveaway in the chat again?
aero 6
01:18:32
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EFv7OK_V_BemXmjKP1dbP_ZMpMdsdorYWr9ZxcXY5dU/edit?usp=sharing
Erynn Albert
01:21:20
That’s why the more options the better. No one sized fits all
deborourke
01:22:53
What is the book Peter is talking about?
aero 6
01:23:23
Thinking goes to school - wax
Al M
01:23:50
Erin — Very good point above about NY — it gets short changed and your info is important!
Wendy Raver (she/her)
01:25:17
Do you have specific data on university retention and graduation regarding unschoolers/homeschoolers? Higher or lower or the same as brick and mortar students?
Al M
01:26:14
Wendy —Schools of Hope by Rick Posner has a lot on that
Al M
01:26:38
Democratic schools more than unschooling
Wendy Raver (she/her)
01:26:45
Thank you!
Al M
01:27:54
…Lives of Passion, Schools of Hope — Aero has it
Erin
01:28:48
You can find a very affordable ($5k-$25K) Phd option as a 3 year research PhD in the UK or Europe with open minded people about what you want to research. You can be the leader of your own learning there and just find mentors rather than a supervisor for your program.
Wendy Raver (she/her)
01:28:57
We have CUNY BA -but also lots of independent studies for our majors at Hunter!
Erynn Albert
01:29:59
Excellent question, wendy. It’s possible that self directed schoolers get to college and find it does not meet the hype. Even unschoolers get caught in the “get into college “ hysteria. So they get in and see that it is not what they expected. Not worth the $ . Or just not what they actually want. And being self directed, they leave!
Wendy Raver (she/her)
01:30:41
…but my daughter was able to have more freedom constructing her major and choosing classes she wanted (and even getting credit for work outside the system) U of Arizona
Wendy Raver (she/her)
01:31:45
@Erynn, yes indeed!
deborourke
01:32:08
Thank you, Erin!
Erin
01:32:35
If you have written and published a book, you can submit it for a phd by creative works in the UK.
peterbergson
01:33:09
Slight correction: Yes, the title of the book I mentioned is “Thinking Goes to School”. The co-authors are Harry Wachs (a developmental optometrist—please note, Barry—and Hans Furth, a Swiss protege´of Piaget). Oxford Univ. Press.
Wendy Raver (she/her)
01:33:54
ALSO Hunter has a strong DECOLONIZE movement!
aero 6
01:34:06
Oh yes!
Al M
01:37:23
“Hack the System” = Right On = Title of book/film? :-)
Richard Fransham
01:37:41
Zineb Mouhyi speaking at the AEROx conference in February: https://youtu.be/irHE6DvQKsk
Erin
01:39:05
Facebook is the best way for participants.
Erin
01:39:11
The mom homeschool groups.
Erin
01:39:21
And if each of us knows 10 people
Erynn Albert
01:39:53
CHialist
Wendy Raver (she/her)
01:40:08
Check out Joanna Lodin’s meetings with Fearless Homeschooling, too — she reaches a lot of families!
aero 6
01:40:36
Thank you!
Al M
01:42:26
Yes — ‘Sapien’ is overrated in my view
Al M
01:43:12
Peter Gray = ‘Free to Learn’ is my ALL TIME Fav
aero 6
01:43:27
:) :) Mine too~
Liza Loop
01:45:01
How about “There are many tops.
aero 6
01:45:12
If you are just dipping your toes into unschooling - I would suggest Ungrading - Susan Blum
Linnea Schluessler
01:45:24
Stein talks about this and the correspondence principle, how the mode of production in the economy is the mirror of relationship to schools. One room school houses happened when the mode of production was a single household, during industrial revolution schools were models of factory production and now the marketplace is creating charter schools that look like startup companies as tech has taken over the economy. It's a fractured mirror. With the financialization of education we are left with navigating commodity propositions as everything is turned into markets which is unfortunately a symptom of capitalism.
Dileepa Manawadu
01:45:29
Love that thought. In Unschooling there is no top!
Erynn Albert
01:45:30
Right . The fear of being “behind”.
Dileepa Manawadu
01:45:38
It’s in fact infinite!
Erynn Albert
01:46:26
And directionless
Erin
01:46:28
I read Alfie Kohn prior to becoming a principal. I am fortunate to work where grades are a choice by the schools.
aero 6
01:46:40
We are having this conversation in traditional circles in NYC :) So that is a good thing :)
Erin
01:47:07
Even our High School system has a graded and ungraded path.
Al M
01:47:47
“Our?” Means who?
Erynn Albert
01:48:33
When really if you ask people what they really want for themselves and their loved ones is to be Safe to be happy to be healthy and to live with ease
Dileepa Manawadu
01:48:33
This podcast is a great one - around what Peter was just saying.
Dileepa Manawadu
01:48:35
https://schoolsucksproject.com/podcast-479-deschooling-yourself/
aero 6
01:48:48
OOOH! Thank you! :) :)
aero 6
01:49:43
griley@hunter.cuny.edu
Erynn Albert
01:49:46
Thank you Gina!
Liza Loop
01:49:46
Hooray! Thanks, Gina
Linnea Schluessler
01:49:53
Thank you so much Gina!
Wendy Raver (she/her)
01:49:58
Thank you!
Richard Fransham
01:49:58
rfransham@rogers.com
Sosanna Zana Andrikou
01:50:14
Thank you!!
Al M
01:50:14
Thank You!
Camila Araujo
01:50:16
bye bye
Camila Araujo
01:50:19
thank u
Shari
01:50:28
Thank you so much!