https://streetsla.lacity.org/tree-inventory-schedule

All over the state, trees are dying in the drought and fire danger is increasing. How does that change the conventional wisdom that native trees shouldn't receive supplemental watering?

Nc's were devised to avoid the split up of Los Angeles. Not to provide independent consultation to the city.

Any deal the city makes that requires community involvement and outreach should mention engaging the NCs, especially for things affecting specific areas - for example consider the LA28 Games MOU. If there is any mention of NCs, I can't find it yet they "guarantee" community engagement.

Lou — I’d like to talk to you later off line. Interesting email.

Bill of Rights! Nice!

Sid — the idea of a bill of rights or a negotiated mou is something that might work. Can you put up on chat the zoom meeting?

^^^^^

Mayoral Candidate Debate Forum organized by LANCC?

motion for LANCC to accept the report and direct the group to move forward on coming up with suggestions to address these issues to bring back to LANCC in the months to come

Specifically, that is why Doug said we need to consider what we want to ask for. Glenn has a point in saying "be careful what you ask for". We know our challenges. We should also understand the pitfalls of future actions on our part.

Rachael, yes, as proposed a month or so ago, having done it in the past with all attending...except Garcetti.

Almost EVERY "top down" rule / program has come, in my perception, from loud agitation by a few people in the NC system. We should al be cautious about that. Back to Glenn's "bne careful what you ask for".

Thanks David :~)

My experience over the years is that the authorities take what a few people say as an excuse that the masses are demanding it. It generally has not been true. One way to make our presence known is to defeat one or two incumbents in the upcoming elections.

I bow to my esteemed colleagues in their comments. As a relatively new member, I and others, when reading the mandates and directives coming from DONE and BONC, we see little inclusion or diversity of thought being accepted. When training sessions are held by DONE, the request for comments from NC members seems nothing more than an appeasement toNCs, as none of the Nc comments seem to be accepted or implemented. The new COC and mandated Cornerstone classes create more “fear,” of participating in the NC program. That, combined with the lack of TRUST of DONE and BONC to be non-biased and neutral in their punitive abilities, diminishes NCs faith that our positions exist in a “safe,” environment.

The reality is that LA (and Calif) invent the nation's future. One reason we need to be very concerned about the health (or lack thereof) in public involvement with government.

How about a public movement to oppose the ambassadorial appointment?

no comment, I look forward to a good process

BOB! I want a great new ambassador to India AS FAST AS POSSIBLE!!!

thank you for that remark

Tony — I can’t use an exclamation point after your name because you have used all of them. There ought to be some things we can extract from him as part of his leaving.

Like evidence? Executive Privilege doesn't end after they're gone?

For those who are newer to the NC system, Doug Epperhart was a member of BONC representing the Harbor Area

Well said Doug!

Thank you, Glenn.

Also City Attorney

Yes, and Controller. I dont want Ron Galperins great open data initiative shut down

I will be the most aggressive city council person advocating for the NC system. One of my campaign promises is that I will personally show up to NC meetings within the 13th district at least once a quarter.

i could use everyone’s support to get me into office :~)

The time to get commitments from candidates is now, not after they are elected.

Thank you Doug!

Any chance of a forum for council member candidates?

We have also have forums where only the uncompetitive people came. We can do more that just hold a forum. We may actually want to make recommendations )which is not the impartial forum approach.

I figured you'd ask...maaaaybe?

Yes, thank you, Doug. I know I was shocked when I heard Ms. Beltan say at one of our “training,” sessions, “NC board members DO NOT have the same First Amendment rights as others.”

Oppose in person meetings because we already have issues of fair participation. Zoom has proven its ability to get more and broader participation.

Hybrid? We can be a Proof Of Concept for the system overall...

Hybrid is expensive and complex to execute. That is what GM Beltran found in the group )where she DID ask for NC input on the issue=.

Sry, my special characters are acting up.

YES. We need to show up at ALL appearances and forums for Mayor and make points about the expectation for support for Neighborhood Council empowerment.

NCs are good at spinning off private organizations that can support candidates all they want. We have done that.

AGREE on rating candidates for all elected offices. Just like the LA Times editorial board does 'under the current owner, always supporting what I call the °corporate wing° of the Democratic party.

Can we receive a list of the working group members and how they were selected? thanks

YES, we need to have wide by in to WHAT WE WANT for it to be effective.

buy in

The meetings held at L.A. City College were great. Topics / Speakers and everyone showed up to hear directly. Its sad at the distancing of NCs and the City representatives from all areas.

Right on, Cindy!

A previous spin off group dealing with City elections and candidates was called "Clean Sweep" -- this was at least ten(?) years ago

Raquel, the group was not selected. It was assembled from people who chose to participate. Doug has a current list. It is a fairly eclectic group, including new as well as older NC members.

why are small loud minority imposing their demagoguery on us.

Lauren, you are welcome to choose to declare not using pronouns as hostile. I cannot judge for you. However I am able to observe that is is performance art. My pronouns do appear on my Twitter account.

Being welcoming is not a choice but a responsibility. This loud minority is part of the Zeitgeist of inclusivity. You are welcome to join us in being on the right side of history.

Lauren — you are doing some mind reading if you read the lack of pronouns as being a hostile act. I would guess that for most of us, it is just our way of speaking and writing English going back to elementary school.

I recall the the LANCC vote to establish the ad hoc committee from today’s agenda item #2 was 15-1.

Lauren what is YOUR responsibility in relation to the council?

Lou — I thought it was 16-0-1

I read behaviors, not minds.

That included a phone aye

Hi Cindy, it could be. It was a near unanimous vote.

It’s a little weird that a city department that acts in such gross secrecy is now demanding the names of members of an ad hoc advisory committee. Shall we recount the Hollywood Blacklist story?

Lou — double check me on it. Thanks!

I apologize for the rebuilt Word agenda which skipped item #3, we'll return to it

Thank you Lou!

I want to support Lauren in speaking about the importance of pronouns. In in'person meetings, it is an offer for people who may use an identity that is not obvious to also share their own preferred form of address. We just have different levels of priority in doing it in large open online meetings, where it is not so much a personal welcoming gesture.

Thank you Tony

Thanks to you and Lauren for you input as well.

The focus on filing Community Impact Statements as an effectiveness measure originated in the MAYORs department. In my opinion it is less effective than some measure of how many local people are introduced and helped to take their own actions to affect civic issues.

I would love to have some specific asks in advance of any invitation for candidate statements. Those statements should respond to our requests.

Doug is spot on about LANCC communications. We should have at least a monthly email that goes to everyone 'board members and others who volunteer'.

The pronoun usage should be a voluntary choice as this subject of pronouns is a generational identifer & not an intentional insult to the new generation of folks attending LANCC, let's make it fun & safe to address the pronoun usage as a personal choice, not a challenge to be on the correct side of history...We just have to look at the acceptance of the term: "Defund the Police!" as a generational divide on the meaning & acceptance of whatever is new & not fully understood when it is first brought to a group for application on an atlarge basis.

LANCC@EMPOWERLA.ORG

Glenn has a good idea for everyone. Feel free to send notes to LANCC officers through lancc AT empowerLA DOT org.

I thought we have a YouTube °story° that includes many of the individual sessions

Presentation by Melina Abdullah

To Sid: Oh, please Lord, No!!!

Yes, Sid. We need to get that up. I know you are waiting for it. She was fairly well behaved.

https://neighborhoodcongress.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=43b7b6fc1838a6a8765dc0347&id=fa6094418c&e=671e87b00f

Congress Agenda

The Congress Planning Committee monthly meeting is after this meeting at 1:30 p.m.

Websitehttps://www.neighborhoodcongress.la

I do hope the Congress will be more transparent as to posting minutes, member voting, etc. If their intent is to politicize the Congress, members need to be individually and collectively accountable.

We had 90 minutes of listening on the LANCC Doug issues with the system. We had a session called Beyond the CIS to discuss doing more community rabel rousing. I think it is incorrect to say we did not discuss issues like we discussed today.

Perhaps people did not attend as a measure of protest of where new Congress members are going with their politicization of the Congress.

I found a lot of topics that interested me were scheduled against one another. On balance, I learned a lot. As for difficult topics confronting our beloved City, we have to be brave leaders in discussing these crucial challenges.

The Congress belongs to everyone in the system. It does not belong to a group that won an election last year. The way to have a Congress that responds to current needs is for people to PARTICIPATE.

People who did not participate Bob are complining. Participating is how you change things.

One area I hope we can specifically improve on is outreach to 3 really critically underserved communities: Youths, Immigrants and Seniors. We can and should do better with workshops that serve these groups.

YES YES YES. Thanks Lauren.

I agree with Lauren. I am immigrant and know how it feels when it comes to many issue.

And especially Neighborhood Councils are open to EVERYONE who lives in a neighborhood. Documentation status is not relevant.

Glenn, her inbound audio is not working. Ms. Beltran cannot hear you.

Thanks fo elevating Vanessa. It is a loss to the NEA team. Still, she can affect more coucils now.

I’ve been to at least 8 or 10 congresses over the recent years, and put on sessions in a number of them, ranging from emergency preparedness to international trade to the idea of giving real power to neighborhood councils. A few years ago, close to 40% of all of the session time was devoted to people from the planning group who had taken the time for themselves. There are several crucial issues that were missed in the last few congresses. On the other hand, I would like to thank Daniel Perez for the excellent job he did in creating our alternative thread a few years ago.

The survey multiple outreach contacts commitment was much appreciated, GM Beltran.

Honestly, i LIKED the opportunity to fill in written comments. Truthfully, though, identification with the NC combined with my comments is probably enough to guess who is filling out the survey. Maybe have two surveys. First a simple choose the answer survey with geographic location ' NC region perhaps. Second a more in depth survey with written answer where people who are less sensitive about anonymity can participate.

Encumbering funds is indeed a great advance. DONE deserves credit for fighting for that in the past. Hope it comes back.

Actually Lou there were some surveys at the start of the current DEI effort where I identified as multiracial or other or some such because I considers VIKINGS as a separate European race. In surveys that really count, that is not kosher. However the possibility that people lie is real.

Demographics can be important -- even crucial -- fact finding tools. But I hear and share some of the concerns expressed here. It is a BIG concern on EPNC as we consider doing our own survey canvassing. DEI is not a side issue but a challenge we must meet. Just how is the sticky wicket.

Again, DONE should get credit for speaking up against the Cornerstone contract. They have done this for a long time. Brava

doing this

Re: Cornerstone? 🤦‍♀️ So flawed, so frustrating. Is their a RFA we should send to someone / Department?

Octo0ber for the template is NOT EARLY

Regarding the required Planning 101 Training. I’ve taken it several times. I personally have no problem with repeating it. I do have a problem that the City doesn’t have a record that I’ve taken it. On another note, we have long time land use committee members who refuse to take the training. They have extensive knowledge of land use. I don’t like seeing these folks quit because of the required training. Since the “taking” of the training is cumbersome this makes it difficult to encourage them to take it. How can DONE help with this ?

Suggestion for everyone. Consider eliminating the 30 day posting requirement for bylaws changes. With narrow windows for bylaw changes that just hurts US in changes WE want to make. We should also work to STOP the moratorium on bylaws revisions. There should only be a moratorium on bylaws revisions that AFFECT THE BALLOT VOTING MODEL. All other bylaws revisions should be open 12 months of every year. The moratoriums were and OVER ASK by the Clerk for their own convenience.

Agree

GREAT question @DavidUbersax!

Need to check if the mandatory (deferred enforcement from last year) Planning Committee Member training is working in Cornerstone now.

NC Land Use committees do NOT engage in hearings. We are not Zoning Administrators and do not have hearing power. Just a note on wording.

Sometimes having discussion helps find solutions. PlanCheckNC would be happy to host at a PlanCheckNC meeting a Planning 101 session. Other alliances could help too so the training could make its way around the City.

Thanks Cindy, I figured that this hobby horse belongs mostly to y'all!

Let’s have a Ham check-in for NC hams !

I am happy to respond

The land use training requirement is a CLASSIC case of inappropriate over regulation. Just as many cases are deliberately withheld from Neighborhood Councils by Mayor and City Council effort to go to Directors Determinations vs ZA hearings, the city issues a training requirement for a function that is less and less used. Land Use committees should be moving to add other issues like transportation because they have fewer and fewer land use cases to consider.

I’m not looking to get into an argument with Ms. Beltran, so I will resend you all the email I sent regarding the facts of the website breach. I strongly caution DONE representatives against continuing to misconstrue matters of fact at public meetings.

With regard to the Code of Conduct — How did we get here ? I see such a crossover in different areas.

ready

Cindy, when my dad worked at White Sands, my brother worked with a ham friend to stage an alien invasion for my benefit.

Also, the demand for Land Use training was an ask from a small number of vocal Neighborhood Council members. Again, we should not blame BONC and DONE for responding to a loud minority. Or maybe we SHOULD.

With regard to websites — Has anyone or DONE looked into how other National or State organizations offer structure ? It would be another choice.

The rule that is being discussed is a terrible restriction of the rights of Neighborhood Councils to do their work. If Land Use committees cannot vote on land use issues, DONE is now saying that the BOARD cannot vote on land use issues. Why is this offensive effort to limit the power of NC BOARDS not on anyoneàs radar___

Tony — it’s the same question as all the others

Like the Code of Conduct. RE: Planning 101 training requirement. How did we get here ? What is the purpose / point ?

This is NOT jn the same level as Ethics and Open Government. That is a STATE law. In front of us, we are hearing GLENN BAILEY demand that the requirement for Land Use training be enforced, and therefor the prohibition on BOARD action given the lack of the same training. This is a classic example of NC MEMBER DEMANDS generating rules that we then blame BONC and DINE for creating.

DONE

Oooh...I like DINE!

Dining In Neighborhood Eateries!

BONC should say no and should have said no

Bars On Neighborhood Corridors?

Agree Bob. It is high ti9me for BONC to start speaking up for NC freedom from over regulation rather than being a complicit coregulator with DONE.

Public officials instead of government officials? What is this — not volunteers and not employees

In all cases, elected officials or public officials or gvernment officials, I think NC members are looking for a title that they think will somehow empower them. Real power is taken not granted. I personally do not think that the exact term is that big a deal.

I personally never cared all that much about the official title, but I do care about being treated like an unpaid employee

Agree with Bob. It is more important that NC Board Members are NOT volunteers or employees

It matters Bob when we talk to stakeholders.

As a prior DONE GM (who later went to work for a Council member) said to us. NCs are just another group. There are other groups out there who have their voice too. Through the years NCs have gained more opportunities for a seat at the table. We are not those individual groups, nor should NCs be those groups. They may be specialized, have specialized knowledge and contacts. Its important that we know and we work respectfully with everyone regardless of political choice.

Thank you for NOT sharing the screen!

DULY ELECTED PRO BONO CITY OFFICIALS 😉

Thank you for moving through the agenda

Public Official :~)

have to go everyone - enjoy the day

Thanks for spending time with us this Saturday!

Thank you !

Ms. Beltran has left

The Anti Bias training — Its going to take time to understand it all. Some of you may be faster with it. But, I’m utilizing some of the words in my day to day. Overall…. we are a diverse City.

Cindy, having been on the Redistricting Commission hearing for the County, there's a lot of orgs that chime in--through what Members recognized as multiple script reading members of the public. At least the City/LAUSD version knew to recognize us as genuine reporters.

For future reference, you should be able to minimize a Screen Share by moving to the left the three vertical lines between the Share and the Gallery View.

I need to hop off. Thank you.

Thanks Max

David — Yes. That’s popular. Even within NCs. I did hear multiple times in the County redistricting refer to Neighborhood Councils.

I'ts now 1pm

We need a break before the Congress Planning Committee meeting that starts at 1:30 p.m......

Again, it this really important_ The effort the DONE GM put into researching it is an indication of how the priorities are misplaced.

Trainings are informative, but they all one sided.

Iàd like to hear from Len who has his hand up

Great discussions today. Thank you all. All training is good. That’s what the NC Congress worked to achieve and to bring people together and network. All respectfully.

This wa for REGIONAL

Thank you all for interesting discussions

Tuesday 12/7 at 6pm meeting ID: 82041875556