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ISRAELI PALESTINIAN PEACE SIMULATION - Shared screen with speaker view
Sandra Shatilla
32:38
hello from chilly Montreal in La Belle Province
Florence Mattar
33:19
No justice no peace.
soriah
33:45
Hello from Portland Oregon USA
Khôi Nguyễn
34:06
Hello from Vietnam
Florence Mattar
34:28
You keep saying peace peace but nothing is happening towards justice, it has been getting worst and worst...….but we want peace!!!
Brian Patton
34:34
Hello from Madrid Spain!!
Edward Corrigan
36:28
Hello from chilly London, Ontario.
Edward Corrigan
44:16
What about the Jewish Palestinians?
jay johnson
48:40
Naseer: will u b able to participate in the feb zoom debate for santa monica current events class? Or email me your phone # we can then talk. thanks! Jay
Naseer
49:15
@ Jay.. I will email you.
jay johnson
49:35
thanks Naseer! Jay
Charles Fredricks
50:18
Amnesty International has released a 15 minute film (available on YouTube) that explains its adopting the position that the State of Israel’s relationship with both its Palestinian citizens and those in the territories amounts to the internationally recognized definition of ‘apartheid’.
Zohar Chamberlain Regev
53:13
I do not accept them but I will listen patiently
Jake Javanshir
53:20
Don't you think that all you are doing is not leading anywhere, since Israel keeps taking everything every day for decades. Your proposals would have been if there was a status que. Don't the first order of the day sould be to stop Israel from all they are doing.
abraham Weizfeld Phd
53:21
I know how to speak and vote for HAMAS.
Haim Bresheeth
54:33
I do not accept some of the assumptions but that makes no difference.
Howard Wideman
56:08
Good news amesty international has declared Israel apartheid country
Haim Bresheeth
57:01
This confederation of course retains the Israeli-Zionist Apartheid state - is this making sense to all of you?
Edward Corrigan
01:01:19
Since there is no Israeli nationality but only Jewish nationality not sure how this confederation will work?
Florence Mattar
01:01:24
When is Jonathan going to speak???
Libby Palestinian from Ramallah
01:02:20
The guest speaks in response to the voting process
lily karam
01:02:23
What if a Palestinian want to represent Palestinians in Jerusalem, Haifa or Nazareth for example??
Howard Wideman
01:02:30
my area Beit sahour Bethlehem West Bank
jay johnson
01:03:03
Ramallah my district: Jay Johnson
Mumen
01:03:06
Mumen Abuarkub Hebron
shahira hafez
01:03:27
yes but the US is mounting a vicious attack on the human right report calling israel an apartheid
ty Ebright
01:03:40
Gaza is my district
Florence Mattar
01:03:52
Is this just to keep people busy thinking that there will be peace while the apartheid state continues in the same and worst manner?
yudit ilany
01:04:34
בעברית מדובר בלשון זכר בלבד. לעניות דעתי עדיף לכתוב עד כמה שאפשר בלשון זכר ונקבה
Howard Wideman
01:04:48
USA just lost employer demanding loyalty to Israel as per Texan law
Florence Mattar
01:05:21
Are you going to have someone from Amnesty International speak here?
yudit ilany
01:05:42
In Hebrew everything has been written in masculine. it would be preferable if it was written in both feminine and masculine, in order to prevent exclusion
yudit ilany
01:06:20
לדוגמה אנו מאמינים ומאמינות
Edward Corrigan
01:08:29
There is no Israeli nationality only Jewish nationality. Not sure how that will work in a confederation or be secular?
Charles Fredricks
01:10:14
Amnesty only concerns itself with addressing human rights. I seriously doubt if they would want to be seen weighing in on a project seeking to establish new legal norms (such as this), even be they an attempt to improve egalitarian relations.
abraham Weizfeld Phd
01:11:36
Sovereignty is surpassed in this model and while the Israel government exists that is apart from a sovereign State.
Yehezkel Landau
01:13:02
If either government (in Israel or Palestine) has a veto power over any legislation passed by the Confederation authority, how can the Occupation be dismantled or how can (and why should) Palestinians accept Israel as a Jewish-majority state? How can the fundamental disagreements and policies get resolved, or compromises agreed upon? It seems to me this scenario sidesteps/ignores basic differences of identity, narrative, and worldview.
Edward Corrigan
01:15:09
25 percent of Israli's population is not Jewish. 20% are Palestinian.
Haim Bresheeth
01:16:21
Yehezkel - you are right. There is no way of resolving the deep problems of the situation - there shall be no way of ending the occupation, or of ending Zionist apartheid and total lack of equality.
abraham Weizfeld Phd
01:17:26
The distinction between a government and a State may be extended as well to identify Civil Society apart from a government itself as well as the State. Furthermore the Civil Society of Israel is divided into two Nations so that one would refer to a Hebrew Nation and a Palestinian Nation within both States.
Khôi Nguyễn
01:17:48
In the Palestinian point of view, is it peace or surrendering ?
lily karam
01:18:39
I agree with Mr. Kuttab. Also at the beginning of your presentation it was mentioned that the past should not be brought up to the surface. This is the core of the problem. Zionist are rewriting the history and basing the simulation on their version of history.
abraham Weizfeld Phd
01:20:32
As PA rep.. it will not be any surrender. We pursue full Independence
abraham Weizfeld Phd
01:24:35
Kuttab is incorrect since the agreement was not fulfilled by the Israel Authority and so the agreement is void.
Naseer
01:29:42
If they vote no, can they accept the vote of the majority and then stay and vote
Naseer
01:29:47
?
Howard Wideman
01:32:47
much land belongs to Palestinian villagers who were there long before Zionists arrived from the dispora
Haim Bresheeth
01:35:52
Howard - you are quite right. This legislation also does not deal the millions of refugees, who have no voice here!
abraham Weizfeld Phd
01:36:27
PA rep: Palestine can make its own refugee policy.
abraham Weizfeld Phd
01:37:28
To reintegrate Palestinian refugees into thier villages would require a Federation, beyond a Confederation.
Sylvia Silberg
01:37:44
Dear all, unfortunately I have to leave this meeting, but I want to thank you for your beautiful simulation. I t is actual a comforting thought to imagine Israelis and Palestinians working together in one joint government The future is here.
Howard Wideman
01:38:01
Israel will never teach other than Zionist narrative
Haim Bresheeth
01:38:03
Abraham - this is not so great - the refugees cannot return to most of the land, as long as a Zionist government controlling ‘Israel’ area.
Naseer
01:39:26
This legislation is hard for me to grasp. Qualandia checkpoint should be removed period.
Naseer
01:40:15
This checkpoint and wall seperates Palestinian areas from each other,
abraham Weizfeld Phd
01:40:35
Mutual recognition would add Palestine into control of the crossings.
abraham Weizfeld Phd
01:41:14
As such such major crossing should be controlled by the Confederation.
abraham Weizfeld Phd
01:42:08
For Friday Al Quds travel their would be a fast lane.
abraham Weizfeld Phd
01:43:29
A requesnt traveler would be approved once only.
abraham Weizfeld Phd
01:44:54
*frequesnt
Khôi Nguyễn
01:45:59
how would the IPC deal with the homeless Palestinians who got kicked out of their own home
yudit ilany
01:51:06
I have abstained from some of the votes, somehow this is not recorded, it cannot be 100%
yudit ilany
01:52:24
what about gender based harassment and violence? should be specifically mentioned
Howard Wideman
01:57:28
currently there are flying checkpoints. Israeli soldiers anywhere anytime can stop a bus and search all occupants. as Canadian s we were stopped by heavily armed Young soldiers
Maxine Kaufman-Lacusta
01:59:54
Why not simply add gender-based violence to the existing list (race, religion, etc) as a "friendly amendment" to thus proposed legislation rather than going through the whole process of propoing additional legislation?
Naseer
02:13:36
I am sorry if I did not act as a real Prime Minister. My idea was to act as a Prime minister that was elected by a coalition of pro-peace Israeli (both Jewish and Palestinian citizens). I think that this is possible in the near future, maybe. So this was my intention. I should note that the others acting on behalf of the Palestinians leadership are not acting as if they were real leaders since these voting patterns would not realistic.
ty Ebright
02:16:01
Disagree, the idea of passing laws, which may be vetoed, places the veto group in the spotlight of world opinion. More attention = quicker resolution.
Naseer
02:19:17
I think the question should be: Could the IPC work if the Palestinians had a representative government? Whether within a state of their own or in their districts?
abraham Weizfeld Phd
02:22:38
Kuttab ignores that a One-State Solution that he is thinking of would only be imposed by war. As such it would be contrary to the democratic principle itself.
Zohar Chamberlain Regev
02:22:52
What Jonathan is saying is that the facts are wrong. Then I say that 14 million does not include all stakeholders as diaspora Palestinians (refugees in camps outside of Palestine) are excluded
estherriley
02:23:28
The problem is assuming that Abbas represents the Palestinian people. He does not. Most Palestinians don’t trust him.
Maxine Kaufman-Lacusta
02:23:47
Not fear, power - it's a fact that Israel can block whatever it wants to.
estherriley
02:24:47
Israel has no incentive to give up power.
Zohar Chamberlain Regev
02:25:48
The problem is not that Israel will object. The problem is that even if you hold the elections this parliament will not have any power to change the situation. Besides many Israelis will not paticipate
Edward Corrigan
02:27:45
Israel did help create Hamas to divide the Palestinians and to use it against the secular PLO.
Naseer
02:28:38
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
Naseer
02:28:56
This is a video about the subject up y Amnon
Naseer
02:29:43
It talks about Hamas and Israeli connections and I do not see it a conspiracy theory
lily karam
02:32:04
Israel will reject to anything that will stop their colonial project.
lily karam
02:33:42
Although the simulation has its merits, the foundation of this confederation is flawed because in nature it is keeping the status quo without dealing with core issues that will help peace forward.
estherriley
02:35:15
Neither the Israeli government nor the current unelected Palestinian governments should be given veto power. The plan is best one that suggests good ideas.
Sherry
02:35:35
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Naseer
02:36:37
https://jonathankuttab.org/
Naseer
02:36:58
Mr. Kuttab's book is available is here and can be downloaded here.
Sherry
02:55:13
Thank you for this informative exercise and discussion.