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JSA of LIS Midwinter Meeting March 11
Michael Gehrling
21:09
Hello everyone, Yesterday's conference call was very interesting. Thank you. Mike Gehrling
Steve Houston
21:15
Steve Houston - Shelter Island Yacht Club
Alim Gafar
21:37
Alim Gafar at JSA and DYS
Emily Jane Waechter
21:42
Emily Jane Waechter - Port Washington Yacht Club
Mike Ances
21:51
Mike Ances - Junior Program Director at Indian Harbor Yacht Club
Peg Jackson
22:00
Peg Jackson- JSA board member
Luke Salditt
22:15
Hello all, Luke Salditt tuning in from Manhasset Bay YC
Mark Reiss
22:27
Good evening from Beach Point YC.
BP YC
22:35
Mark!
John Pearce
22:42
John Pearce, US Sailing - hope everyone is doing well!
Kevin Gunn
22:53
Kevin Gunn - Sachem’s Head Yacht Club
Janet Grapengeter
22:57
Janet Grapengeter - JSA C0-chair
Mark Reiss
23:07
Hope everyone will cheer on The Cowles Twins tomorrow as they try to qualify in the 470 for the US Olympic team.
Sam Patterson
23:24
Sam Patterson - The Boat Locker
Michael DeMarco
24:15
Mike Demarco - The Dinghy Shop
Giulia Arencibia
24:33
Giulia Arencibia - Orienta Beach Club
Tricia Alcamo
25:24
Hi everyone, Tricia Alcamo, American Yacht Club (& co-chair, Jr American Yacht Club program)
Manuel Cadarso
25:59
Hello. Manuel Cadarso - American Yacht Club
Katie Sparkman
26:28
Hi all. Katie Sparkman- Junior Sailing Chair at Norwalk Yacht Club
Salvatore Russo
27:52
Sal Russo - Port Washington Yacht Club
BP YC
32:02
Hi Everyone! Sam - Beach Point Club
John Lombard
34:25
Thanks Henry, so important!! We need to include your Kill-Chord recommendations in our Instructor Training clinics!
Henry Millette
35:01
No worries John! Glad it was appreciated. Always happy to discuss further.
JSA - Bob Whittredge
53:21
Any questions for the panel? Write in chat or unmute your mic to talk when they prompt for questions.
John Pearce
01:04:07
If you're interested in a full walk through of Skill Up, please sign up for an upcoming Zoom Call (Friday's at 3pm) to get all of the details: https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZEkcOuvrDwsG9RW9GXbUwj2q-sHdriPlRDZ
Marianna Erenhouse
01:15:17
How would it work with Irish instructors who are coming over? They will not be US Sailing certified, but are, of course, ISA certified? Is there any way to give them access?
Alim Gafar
01:16:25
How does Skill Up maintain data privacy with data stored in the cloud?
John Pearce
01:17:17
Marianna- Right now, Skill Up would not work well for instructors who are not US Sailing certified.
John Pearce
01:18:37
Alim- I probably misused "the cloud" in that example. All of the sailor's information is associated with their US Sailing member id, which is in our secure database.
Alex Helfand
01:24:18
One laser with three rigs can serve the entire family
Manuel Cadarso
01:25:55
How many clubs are embracing the 4.7 this year?
Marianna Erenhouse
01:26:41
@Manuel, we have 2 sailors at least at MYC that will be sailing the 4.7 this year.
Alex Helfand
01:26:42
if you are promoting the 4.7 - let us know
Katie Sparkman
01:26:46
will there be a 4.7 class for JSA regattas this summer and going forward?
Alex Helfand
01:26:51
NYAC is
Todd Field, Sagamore Junior Sailing
01:27:14
Don't get me wrong here. My laser was 2820, and I enjoyed it immensely. Where I have a problem is that I want our sailors to be learning team skills, and working together. I don't want to push the JSA in this, but for our program I'd rather see a 2 or 3 person boat. (Yes, I am a BJ fan.)
Iris Vogel
01:27:20
Huguenot YC is promoting the Laser 4.7
Kristi Campbell
01:28:08
Most of our 12, 13 & 14 year olds in that weight range tend to focus on the Fevas. Do you think the 4.7 is a better path?
Marianna Erenhouse
01:28:09
Will the JSA be lowering the minimum age for Laser racing from 14 for 4.7 sailors?
Alex Helfand
01:28:24
Yes - the age is 12
Alex Helfand
01:28:47
the rules have been updated for age as well as weight
John Lombard
01:29:01
The Laser (4.7 Rig) is Inexpensive -- making it easy to star with this rig for a nominal cost -- then sail the Radial Rig when the kids size up, then finally, full size teens that grow to 160lbs plus can graduate to the full rig (used at the Olympics) -- so a long life span with (3) rig options using the same hull!
Alex Helfand
01:29:35
And dad can sail the radial or full rig if the junior will let him
Todd Field, Sagamore Junior Sailing
01:30:30
Problem is that the laser hull is disposable for top-caliber racers. Hard to compete against people who buy a fresh hull for each regatta.
Manuel Cadarso
01:30:51
For a 12 year old in a a4.7?
Todd Field, Sagamore Junior Sailing
01:31:26
No, but the thought that the hull will last for the career of a junior racer may not be realistic.
Kevin Broome
01:31:27
great let those top level racers pay premium for new hulls and then sell to everyone else
Todd Field, Sagamore Junior Sailing
01:31:59
Kevin - true.
Iris Vogel
01:32:05
MY Laser is a 2006 and still competitive
Michel Fiechter
01:32:08
Wouldn’t this complete for sailors with the open Bic? is the JSALIS still embracing the the open Bic?
Kevin Broome
01:33:05
open bic does still have racing opportunities but has been really popular with Adventure/Recreational sailors
Todd Field, Sagamore Junior Sailing
01:33:48
Hi Kai, I'm so glad you are having a great time sailing. A question to you - Do you prefer to sail single-handed or with a team of friends?
Henry Millette
01:33:55
To Kevin’s point: The O’pen Skiff North Americans is marketed as a, “fungatta,” the boat is awesome and the class is great but it’s really more geared towards adv sail slash retaining sailors more than anything
Janet Grapengeter
01:34:57
Thanks Kai!
Alex Helfand
01:35:58
ell done Kai, thanks for plugging my boat!
Manuel Cadarso
01:36:41
Will any club have open doors for 4.7 sailors?
Kevin Broome
01:37:00
Nicely done Kai! Thanks for sharing your experiences
Todd Field, Sagamore Junior Sailing
01:38:53
Why do we want to promote the 4.7 class? Don't get me wrong, but I think it is a question we should ask.
Kevin Broome
01:40:43
different boats teach different things
Iris Vogel
01:41:35
At Huguenot we offer both Lasers and Fevas and kids chose what they prefer coming out of the Opti
Gareth Petko-Bunney
01:41:40
Great job Kai! Thanks for helping us understand the 4.7 and it’s ability!
Warren Costikyan
01:41:42
I think the strongest rational is to keep young sailors interest in the sport. we lose kids to other sports. 4.7 puts them in a good performance boat that may retain there interest in the sport.
Kevin Broome
01:42:06
cross training is powerful and an important thing for any sport. we have our own cross training mediums available inside our sport. most olympic sailing coaches recommend sailing the focus boat only 80% of the time unless right before an event.
Katie Sparkman
01:42:53
This is a great way to keep kids sailing. Not everyone in their early teen years does well sailing with a partner and this would give them a way to keep sailing after the opti. On LIS , heavier kids have a tough time. even at age 11
Gareth Petko-Bunney
01:43:04
You know as a fun fact, a lot of Olympic rowers do not even start rowing until they get to late high school or college!
Kevin Broome
01:44:45
boats with multiple sailors do encourage sailors to learn teamwork and other skills. Big plug for multiple crewed boats is that it allows people to get pulled into the sport easier. Buying a boat in the cards for eve is everyone for one reason or another.
Kevin Broome
01:45:19
*isn’t in the cards
Marianna Erenhouse
01:45:22
There are many girls in particular who have aged out of the Optis but are too light for the Radial and don’t want to doublehand. The 4.7 is a great option for them.
Gareth Petko-Bunney
01:47:06
American, has had great success with the OPEN SKIFF, it is a quality boat that opens up the age range for single handed sailing past optis! We love them
Todd Field, Sagamore Junior Sailing
01:51:53
Interesting that the "pop-up" format was the main format back in the late 60's, early 70's. A return to towing to regattas?
Henry Millette
01:53:37
Quick note on the 4.7s topic (sorry for backtracking but had to confirm this): For those wondering about regattas Indian Harbor YC will have a 4.7 start at Law Trophy contingent upon a minimum number of entries
Todd Field, Sagamore Junior Sailing
01:53:39
I've actually been a fan of towing to regattas for a while.
Todd Field, Sagamore Junior Sailing
01:54:45
Like … since 1967
Marianna Erenhouse
01:55:41
Towing has its own risks though. Running into inclement weather being the number one risk. At MYC we are a full hour+ tow from the closest club. What happens with pop up storms? There’s no place to shelter.
Todd Field, Sagamore Junior Sailing
01:57:17
Agreed. Same basic problem I lived with from PWYC as a kid.. We had procedures for problems, and we had to use them several times.
Todd Field, Sagamore Junior Sailing
01:58:54
What we did to mitigate was to remove ALL the kids from the boats to the towboat. (Mom would serve hot dogs.) If there was a serious problem, we would anchor, wait it out and get the whalers to fix up the tow and then proceed. Everyone was always save.
Kevin Gunn
02:01:31
There was a COVID outbreak at a sailing club in New Orleans
Gareth Petko-Bunney
02:02:38
There was a large safety incident regarding Covid happening in Florida!
Todd Field, Sagamore Junior Sailing
02:04:23
Agreed on the national survey. It would be a great marketing tool for some of us.
Todd Field, Sagamore Junior Sailing
02:04:54
A relief to parents? A RELIEF to the KIDS.
Marianna Erenhouse
02:04:59
The numbers in FL were much higher overall than in our area over the summer. Additionally there is no mask mandate there. Masking has been shown to be the number 1 way to prevent spread.
Manuel Cadarso
02:05:09
Key Biscayne run midwinters east with 200 boats (a50 launching out of KBYC)
Manuel Cadarso
02:05:37
Bucaneer Blast in Key Largo had over 150 Optis 2 weeks ago
Katie Sparkman
02:06:20
all Norwalk YC had a very safe, successful summer
Todd Field, Sagamore Junior Sailing
02:06:28
We shut down the program. No problems.
Henry Millette
02:07:00
@Manuel: Yep. I coached that. It was a pretty remarkable number of people in one place from all over the country (was more like 200-300 kids plus family members) and no report of spread from that
Kevin Broome
02:07:44
facemarks, limit indoor activities, spread out sailors… outdoor sport is pretty safe but every club needs to decide their own acceptable level of risk
Kevin Broome
02:08:03
our high school team has been getting more people joining that don’t want to do their normal indoor sports.
Todd Field, Sagamore Junior Sailing
02:10:23
A question - why would anyone in their right mind volunteer to host Opti-Champs! (JUST KIDDING)
Kevin Broome
02:17:48
its more manageable than other events. opti kids tend to get into less trouble after hours than the older kids.
Katie Sparkman
02:17:52
thank you for hosting!
Kevin Broome
02:18:21
Thank you Peg!!
JSA - Bob Whittredge
02:21:25
I will be preparing the recording and the slides for publishing on the web during this weekend ands will send out the link to all who have attended, as well as all who were unable to attend.
Warren Costikyan
02:33:28
I have to check out because the first UConn Big East Tournament basketball game in years is now underway. Thanks all.
Alex Helfand
02:34:09
Thanks warren
Henry Millette
02:43:18
Gotta hop off now, thanks guys!
Lawrence McGrath
02:44:02
Thanks all! Lots of fun and lessons learned.