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Oliver (no pronouns)
33:41
totally read that a square root of chet-tav-vet and made me wonder what the square root of a root would be?
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
35:09
and here I thought getting into ancient rabbinic texts would get me out of math :P
Simchah [she/her] Hollenbach
36:31
considering letters are numbers, roots of roots is *definitely* a journey you could go down
Lisa Heineman (she/her)
36:32
This is SO much clearer (both the Binyamin and the person/number/tense) than the way it was taught in the unfortunate course I took a couple of years ago
Lisa Heineman (she/her)
38:50
(not at svara, of course)
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
40:56
You can fix this in your guide book on page 13
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
41:27
Section 6
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
41:39
in the Past Tense table
Simchah [she/her] Hollenbach
43:25
that's kind of the point of a shva (traditionally) -- its a strongly de-emphasized vowel so its hard to conceptualize if its there, or what exactly it is, since its so quick/unimportant
Olivia, she her
50:53
This is a question for later, but I don’t want to forget: is there a way that we can mix causitive and intensive binyans? How do we say “make him write” “make him engrave” “make him dictate”?
Simchah [she/her] Hollenbach
52:25
does Hebrew allow d and t right next to each other?? do they end up fusing when there's no vowel in between since they're too similar?
Simchah [she/her] Hollenbach
52:39
those were hard to say with distinctions between the two sounds
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
54:16
@Oliver - you might chose an imperative or jussive form?
Oliver (no pronouns)
55:06
I think that was Olivias question
Simchah [she/her] Hollenbach
56:09
some sounds have preferences :) they like to be surrounded by certain sounds
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
56:29
you're right @Oliver - my answer should have been directed to Olivia, sorry!
Lisa Heineman (she/her)
56:34
I can't help thinking of the Rugrats Channukah - "You have to say CHCHCHannukah!"
Olivia, she her
58:28
How does jussive work then? Do you just use the future tense as a jussive, and how do you sort that context?
Simchah [she/her] Hollenbach
01:01:16
I think jussive functions differently but may be marked the same way? at least, there are some affixes on our source sheet that are both future and jussive
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
01:02:31
As I have experienced it, the future tense in Hebrew is the jussive based on context
Olivia, she her
01:02:38
Those are marked as aramaic conjuctions, on the hint sheet….but I don’t see jussive for Hebrew on the hint sheet
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
01:02:40
Aramaic has a specifically marked jussive
Olivia, she her
01:04:40
So would we translate “We made them write” into “It was written, by our order”?
Olivia, she her
01:04:56
Or “They wrote, on our order"
Virginia (She) in DC
01:07:33
am I supposed to know what a jussive is? I know I’ve seen the word, but I don’t know — is it like a command?
Simchah [she/her] Hollenbach
01:07:34
do we not get vowels (in the chart) for prefixes because it changes by the following sound?
Olivia, she her
01:08:03
Virginia, yeah, I’m talking command
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
01:08:18
Jussive is like "one ought to ____" or "let one do such and such"
Oliver (no pronouns)
01:08:19
https://uhg.readthedocs.io/en/latest/verb_jussive.html
Olivia, she her
01:08:27
It’s the silly niche language of grammarians…
Virginia (She) in DC
01:09:04
thx Olivia and Olivia and Oliver. I am storying the page
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
01:09:14
@Simcha - that's what it looks like based on the other future verb tables
Oliver (no pronouns)
01:09:17
not "go to your room" but "may you go to your room!"
Virginia (She) in DC
01:09:28
*storing
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
01:11:15
I think we still haven't quite answered your question tho Olivia - so make sure to ask it in the afterparty or when we finish this section of the class
Simchah [she/her] Hollenbach
01:11:59
grammar class is for sticklers :))
Yossi/Joey C. he, hu
01:14:14
comment made to a friend I'm chatting to- my mind requires multitasking to focus on anything- about this class: "I like this, challenging [in a way] so I'm feeling like I don't want to try answering."
Olivia, she her
01:14:45
Saying “may you go to your room!” sounds like a classic ancient language bicameral dissonance. “Let the spirit move them to their room!”
Oliver (no pronouns)
01:14:54
xD
Oliver (no pronouns)
01:15:40
also Yossi im a chronic multi-tasker too :)
Yossi/Joey C. he, hu
01:16:19
grammar classes are seldom challenging for me unfortunately
Oliver (no pronouns)
01:16:50
when I google translate "we made them write" im getting "caused-we to-them write(infinitive)"
alex
01:24:03
tiz-chor-nah or tiz-kor-nah?
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
01:24:47
where's the dagesh coming from?
CP | she
01:25:27
is Yizkor a different binyan or tense?
sarah brooks
01:25:55
I think it actually might be Yiddish
CP | she
01:26:23
or like “may G-d remember”?
Oliver (no pronouns)
01:27:29
the zayin has a silent shva so the kaf would have a dagesh kal I think
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
01:27:37
you do have dagesh in the katav future conjugations on page 13
Oliver (no pronouns)
01:28:58
rocky is doing a stellar job!
Simchah [she/her] Hollenbach
01:31:15
WOW
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
01:31:15
thanks!
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
01:32:04
page 15 of the guide
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
01:32:10
at the top of the page
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
01:35:41
you can use fun colours to make it more rainbow
Oliver (no pronouns)
01:36:28
color coded conjugation tables 😻
Lisa Heineman (she/her)
01:36:39
these are great instructions Amir
Simchah [she/her] Hollenbach
01:36:39
should we make sure its a regular root? can we just look that up online?
sarah brooks
01:37:35
sorry, my neighbor locked herself out of her house and I have her spare
Lisa Heineman (she/her)
01:38:10
so pick a root w/3 strong letters?
Yossi/Joey C. he, hu
01:38:38
and we can find if the root is strong looking in the Jastrow?
Oliver (no pronouns)
01:39:20
love pealim!!!! its so helpful!
CC - Rocky Cohen (they/them or she/her)
01:39:21
thanks Oli :)
Amir Weg (he/him)
01:39:22
Edits are made.
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
01:39:25
https://www.pealim.com/
alex
01:40:21
@yossi, not to my knowledge, but if it’s a root with a weak letter (or more than one) he’s more likely to give you examples of the irregular conjugation
alex
01:42:14
@Ari got a great cat there!!
Ari Monts (they/them)
01:42:34
she says ty
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
01:44:13
https://forms.gle/M5Bj8iMtSLQeSsmQ9
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
01:44:23
Feedback form ⬆
Simchah [she/her] Hollenbach
01:44:31
apparently the term 'gutteral' was created to describe those Hebrew letters!! "The word guttural literally means 'of the throat' (from Latin guttur, meaning throat), and was first used by phoneticians to describe the Hebrew glottal [ʔ] (א) and [h] (ה), uvular [χ] (ח), and pharyngeal [ʕ] (ע)."
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
01:44:33
is that link working for folks?
Oliver (no pronouns)
01:44:49
works!
Yossi/Joey C. he, hu
01:44:49
worked for me, Olivia
Simchah [she/her] Hollenbach
01:44:54
yes!
Yossi/Joey C. he, hu
01:45:01
is Pealim a modern Hebrew resource?
Oliver (no pronouns)
01:45:32
ye n it will note when theres a dif bw modern and biblical
Yossi/Joey C. he, hu
01:45:48
ty Oliver
Oliver (no pronouns)
01:46:33
major shout out to rocky for carefully recognizing and distinguishing very similar sounds and captioning in a way so that those of us who struggle can follow along!!
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
01:47:09
amayn!
CC - Rocky Cohen (they/them or she/her)
01:47:10
<3
Amir Weg (he/him)
01:47:40
@Yossi, generally, yes pealim.com is designed for Modern Herbew but, like Oliver shared it does like to make note of older forms
Lisa Heineman (she/her)
01:48:58
so great learning with all of you!
Lisa Heineman (she/her)
01:49:15
and a thousand thanks to amir <3
Jacob Richards (he/him)
01:49:17
Thank you, Amir!
Yossi/Joey C. he, hu
01:49:34
"Grammar for Gemara" is on its way through my library :)
Simchah [she/her] Hollenbach
01:49:37
thank you so much amir!!!
alex
01:49:37
Thank you thank you and yasher koach, Amir!!
CP | she
01:49:43
thank you so much Amir!
Virginia (She) in DC
01:49:47
thanks all and thanks to Amir and Olivia
Masha Lisak
01:49:52
Thank you!
Yossi/Joey C. he, hu
01:49:56
thanks
Oliver (no pronouns)
01:49:57
thank you amir, olivia, and rocky! thank you all!
sarah brooks
01:49:58
nice to study with every one
Fairy Olivia (tech | they/them)
01:51:55
This is a question for later, but I don’t want to forget: is there a way that we can mix causitive and intensive binyans? How do we say “make him write” “make him engrave” “make him dictate”?