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David Griffith, ABC
01:02:07
One of the things we need is regulatory reform. Why can't there be a programmatic EIR or Categorical Exclusion that covers projects to improve forest resilience? And why can't there also be the same for post-fire restoration? A fire is a fire, and apart from cultural and T&E there shouldn't be a reason that delays restoration. The BLM is more flexible than the Forest Service.
David Griffith, ABC
01:04:25
A second related point. Forest service has limited funds and time for post-fire restoration. Why not have an automatic surcharge of 20% of the cost of suppressing a fire that would automagically be available for post-fire restoration. The amount available through the BAER process is inadequate.
Steve Buckley
01:05:48
Historically, indigenous people burned approximately 4.5 million acres per year (https://www.sierraforestlegacy.org/Resources/Conservation/FireForestEcology/FireScienceResearch/FireHistory/FireHistory-Stephens07.pdf). We only reached that level in 2020. My point is that historically federal policy was suppression, which resulted in the disruption of fire regimes, which resulted in the buildup of fuel. In some areas of the park that burned at high intensity, we had 170 years with no fire, specifically in areas where historically it was at 7-20 years average return intervals. That buildup has resulted in hotter, more intense fires because there is just so much fuel. Coupled with climate change, we now see fire behavior changing and intensifying outside our experience. Think EF3 Firenado in the Carr Fire.
Randy Hanvelt
01:07:27
Indigenous people brned under considerably different conditions. The forest was fire resilient not overgrown.
Andrew Lee
01:07:35
right: the acres are catching up to historical averages however intensities are far higher (if you want to call it "on average") than historical norms. and you are right -> its driven by fuels accumulation.
Randy Hanvelt
01:21:40
the forest resiliency Task force was established by Governor Brown in May 2018, we are three and a half years later and we are still getting organized. when do we get work done on the ground? Until we are taking more out of the forest than it is growing in, we are losing the battle. WWII for America was started in Dec 1941 and was over in August 1945 almost the same time. When do we start treating this situation with the urgency it deserves?
Randy Hanvelt
01:25:24
Your chart leaves out YSS which is arguably the most effective collaborative in the State
john amodio
01:34:23
Can Kealli share is highly informative Ppt?
Keali'i Bright (Dep. of Conservation)
01:35:24
Definitely, I'll share it with Jonathan to send out.
Alex Vance
02:50:02
Just letting you know I'll be logging off and calling in via telephone, as I have to hit the road in a moment for an appointment. Thank you for the informative presentations and discussions, as always!
Erin Ernst (she/her), Tahoe Conservancy
02:55:17
Here is the link to the TCSI Framework for Resilience document: https://sierranevada.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/326/2021/03/TCSI-FrameworkForResilience.pdf
Allison Jolley, Watershed Center (she/her)
02:58:45
Wolfy, I think that's why the state is looking to regions and collaborative to define their specific metrics. the pillars are somewhat of guideposts, for groups to choose btn, focused on, and define in ways that are useful to their place
Allison Jolley, Watershed Center (she/her)
03:02:51
The state understands that practitioners don't want to just track acres treated. so this is a framework for an alternative, leaving it pretty wide open for local and regional groups to use when reporting out on the impact of state funds. the hope is to create something that is somewhat structured while leaving massive room for adaptation and related flexibility in reporting and communication from the collaboratives. Not every region is expected to do it the same way TCSI is- at least that's my understanding. It's like a case study of how the pillars apply to their landscape.
Wolfy Rougle, Butte RCD
03:03:15
Right - thanks Allison, I agree! I'm just observing that if there's a State assumption about how big or small those subregions/collaboratives should be, then that affects how many of them there should be, which in turn affects State budgets and policy.
Luna Latimer
03:03:59
Could you remind me how we can provide our collaboratives' priorities for pillars/metrics? As noted, a lot has been done regionally (e.g. CFLRP core indicators, climate adaptation workbook tactics) but it is too much to convey verbally.
Sarah Di Vittorio, National Forest Foundation
03:04:21
Yes, well said Jonathan. If we want collaboratives to incorporate social well-being measures, they do need more support and tools from social scientists.
Cherilyn Ashmead, United Auburn Indian Community (UAIC)
03:05:55
I have to get to another meeting - thank you, all.
Allison Jolley, Watershed Center (she/her)
03:06:56
Wolfy, I would certainly defer to Patrick and Keali'i, but I believe the state is leaving it to regions (so in your case SNC) to decide how large subregions and collaboratives need to be. I think there is a lot of effort to plug existing efforts into the regional framework of Russian dolls like Keali'i mentioned, rather than forcing a collaborative to cover more area for example. so I think that would be a question to explore with SNC
Norma Santiago
03:08:23
TCSI’s publication “Frame for Resilience” has that specificity
Allison Jolley, Watershed Center (she/her)
03:08:28
Luna, I *think* you would connect with NCRP on how they can fold your collaborative's work into the multi-county northstate "region."
Erin Ernst (she/her), Tahoe Conservancy
03:08:51
TCSI Framework for Resilience publication: https://sierranevada.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/326/2021/03/TCSI-FrameworkForResilience.pdf
Andrew Lee
03:09:41
one of the issues with allowing smaller efforts to define their own regions is you will end up with donut holes where areas that are not well organized fall by the wayside. At a higher level "assigning" areas is one way to avoid this from happening. but it does overlook perhaps cultural differences that can create problems within the groups or areas.
Randy Hanvelt
03:11:14
WE keep trying to change the game and the results by working within a long established organizational framework. It is not working, maybe we need to do things different.
Randy Hanvelt
03:11:45
Throw out current regulations and establish the new rules we need to get the job done
Randy Hanvelt
03:14:04
Jonathan: we will need more resources but they need to be on the ground not in the administrative side. I think we know what needs to be done, less talking, less paper, more sweat on the ground
Wolfy Rougle, Butte RCD
03:16:23
Good points Andrew Lee and Allison. Bottom line, I just want us to make sure we're not making collaboratives that may be too big to succeed, in our (very needed!) rush to scale up all our work. :)
Andrew Lee
03:20:53
Kelly you may benefit in looking into strategies for what is known as R3: recruit, retain, reactivate. I am familiar with the concept from a very different frame, however the bigger picture elements may help you think about how to accomplish your own strategy.
Kelly Sheen ~ Trinity County RCD & TC Collaborative
03:22:51
Thank you, Andrew! I will definitely look into that.
Wolfy Rougle, Butte RCD
03:26:58
Valuable point, John Buckley: Federal lands don't actually belong to the communities around them. For better or for worse, federal lands belong to all the citizens of the United States right now. RCDs aren't used to thinking that way!
Jannike Allen
03:28:10
Another concern when relying on stakeholder groups to pick up more slack is the challenge of creating good paying stable jobs for the people who are doing the work.
John Buckley
03:29:59
Jannike and others - Our YSS group has helped spend tens of millions of dollars in grants in the last few years that have hired high numbers of local workers at good pay to implement needed forest projects and treatments.
Jannike Allen
03:32:34
John- that makes for a good model to expand on
Randy Hanvelt
03:33:31
Water Agencies need tobe part of the solution.