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AERO Conference June 2021 - Shared screen with speaker view
Liz Campbell
02:08:46
Just having a bite to eat. Camera on soon :)
Kimberly Wilder
02:12:50
wow!
Heather Yang
02:26:31
I miss Israel soooo much!!
Liza Loop
02:26:43
How do I find the People from AERO Meetup scheduled for 11:06 EDT on Whova?
Peter Berg
02:27:11
On Whova
Peter Berg
02:28:27
Go to agenda you’ll see at top 7 upcoming meetings
Peter Berg
02:28:39
Click and choose what you want to to go to
Kimberly Wilder
02:32:19
can someone fill in the blank...Yaacov said that countries think they are Democratic, but they set up their schools as _____ ?
Adriana Braescu
02:32:36
dictatorship
Bruno Gioia Sandler (he/his)
02:32:37
"dictatoships" i think
Bruno Gioia Sandler (he/his)
02:32:54
*dictatorships
Sidney Morris
02:33:10
They did for dictatorship
Amukta Mahapatra
02:33:22
adopt the education that was there, when they were not democratic, had dictatorship
Kimberly Wilder
02:33:24
thanks!
Heather Yang
02:35:02
Korea ~ Sewol ferry disaster
Evangelos
02:35:04
it's interesting to see how the Israeli state is probably trying to appropriate the democratic school model in order to sustain the power over its citizens as well as control the radical movements of youngsters who question militarism... This is my view certainly but I cannot help thinking about how human rights are applied non inclusively in Israeli society ,,
Liz Campbell
02:36:26
@Evagelos, you should ask Yaacov during the Q&A
Dileepa Manawadu
02:38:09
Yes. I find the concept of Democratic education in contradiction to the Israeli state (or at least the one projected in the media) ; I would have thought that Democratic education would be suppressed by the state, but they are supportive..I find this very odd.
Karina Tewarie
02:39:46
Perhaps Isreal recognizes the need to create generations of innovators and problem solvers.. and knows the importance of free thinking.. >To keep up with technology and economical needs of society we will need much more than traditional model of education.
André Clements
02:39:59
and Reggio Emilia in 1945
Peter Berg
02:41:05
We will take questions at the end
André Clements
02:41:36
Je'anna Clements here - I would like to know if you have any advice on persuading other governments to allow democratic and Sudbury education?
Chinook Free Learners
02:41:52
Me, too!
Cian
02:42:05
Ditto!
Cian
02:43:19
40%?
deborourke
02:43:36
I so admire the schools and the work and would love to see such a strong democratic movement in Canada. But it’s important to ask Yaacov whether Palestinian families are included in these schools and how this human rights issue in Israel fits into his concepts of human rights in schooling. I say this in all humility as a citizen of a country based on genocide of indigenous people.
Karina Tewarie
02:43:38
40% in democratization.. so process of changing over
Dileepa Manawadu
02:44:23
+1 @Deb
Cian
02:44:34
Yes Deborah. I wonder the same.
Chris Liu
02:47:03
@Karina I think this is the same rationale that the Chinese government uses to "allow" for practices of democratic education in Chinese society. That said, the banning of the term itself fundamentally defeats the purpose of the educational philosophy. When you peel away the facade, it really is just superficial in practice, and does not really honor human rights, nor honors their basic dignity. This appropriation is truly problematic, but I don't know if there are "good" ways to approach this...
Chinook Free Learners
02:48:57
Step by step, @Deb. It’s a step in the right direction. Perhaps the students who come out of the democratic schools will push for more human rights
Karina Tewarie
02:50:16
@Chris, I also thought of China as an example.. and it will permeate through the layers. It will just take time whether the motives are twisted or it is problematic. The children will rise above it and demand more. Look at the riots in Egypt. Something so simple as Facebook became a big change-maker and "hurricaned" into a bigger movement. So regardless of intention, once ideas are put out there, you cannot extinguish it so easily.
Chinook Free Learners
02:51:53
Sounds like Yacov is talking about the process of design thinking...
Monica Kmetz Cochran
02:52:18
begins with listening and empathy!
Richard Fransham
02:52:20
Talking with people. Such good advice. I shall try to remember that.
Susan M
02:52:55
Sounds like removing of "enemy images."
Bruno Gioia Sandler (he/his)
02:53:09
but what about those governments that are actively doing things against human rights for example?
Villavillekula
02:53:12
moderate please. important questions still on the table
Susan M
02:55:16
Windsor House is closed. I didn't know. :(
Chinook Free Learners
02:55:18
@Bruno, I say those governments need democratic schools even more.
Cian
02:55:51
That is sad news about Windsor House. I’m sorry to hear that.
Bruno Gioia Sandler (he/his)
02:56:28
I agree Monica, I was just wondering how to talk with those governments (in connection with the previous part of the discussion)
Chinook Free Learners
02:57:10
Like Yacov said, to start, find one person in the government who is sympathetic.
Chinook Free Learners
02:58:18
Or, @Bruno, become one of the people in government…
Kimberly Wilder
02:58:35
Thank you for addressing the elephant in the room. I am glad to hear that two narratives are offered.
deborourke
02:59:20
me too
Cian
02:59:21
Derry had his hand up 🙋
Tasha Gossett
02:59:24
cant wait for that day!
Barry Chiate
03:02:46
I would like to share 3 programs of student centered end team based learning that are emerging. The first is SYSTEMS THINKING where all the parts and pieces are considered together to form a whole. There is Design Thinking - where you begin with admitting that you have a problem and you learn by failing often and failing quickly. Then there is the concept called Non-Duality where you find the balance between the 2 opposites. This goes back to the Yin-Yang 5,000 years ago. Confrontation between the opposites is the way that life and nature works. Our brains are wired this way - left and right brain together. Take a look - and let your curiosity lead you. Aloha
Kimberly Wilder
03:02:56
@Chinook and @Bruno Wow! Love your answer, Chinook! Some people in the Democratic School movement should try to get in government. :)
Penny Camps
03:03:05
Derry you nailed it . HUMAN RIGHTS is the real issue
deborourke
03:04:44
What were Derry’s three points?
Chinook Free Learners
03:04:48
@Penny, yes! We are really advocating for the rights of children - their human rights.
Liz Campbell
03:05:05
SDE, democracy and human rights
Susan M
03:05:12
I think... 1. Self Directed Learning. 2. Democracy. 3. Human Rights.
Bruno Gioia Sandler (he/his)
03:05:37
@Monica and @Kimberly, and maybe this is a bit off-topic, but the issue I see with getting in the government, is that anything done at that level, will be in a reform level, and reforms done at government level might be able to be changed and taken away as soon as the political direction changes. So maybe that could be one of the fronts we could focus on (in addition to many others)
Barry Chiate
03:08:15
Are there any ideas or thoughts about engaging parents in the education of their children from the beginning. Parents can be encouraged to know that they will be the best teachers their children will ever have. How does a 4 year old know over 2,000 words with the perfect accent? Everything from parents imprints in the first years of life and a person’s essential character that lasts for a lifetime is shaped in the first years of life. See Shinichi Suzuki’s auto bio - Nurtured By Love.
Richard Fransham
03:08:39
Re Windsor House - Meghan Carrico who was a principal of Windsor House will be a panelist on Wednesday with the Chinook Free Learners event called The Future of Education. Monica Truong on this call is the organizer. https://www.facebook.com/events/485056402764552?acontext=%7B%22event_action_history%22%3A[%7B%22mechanism%22%3A%22search_results%22%2C%22surface%22%3A%22bookmark%22%7D]%2C%22ref_notif_type%22%3Anull%7D
Liz Campbell
03:09:36
Like mine…it was gone for a while :)
Stephanie Sewell
03:09:49
Yes, Bruno. That is what we have seen with homeschoolers's rights and freedoms here in QUebec.The Liberal government required something new, had a plan that was reasonable and people were on board with it. they were voted out and the new government mis-used the intent of the new law, and made things terrible for homeschoolers here.
deborourke
03:09:50
Thank you Richard! I will be there!
Kimberly Wilder
03:10:22
"and it will continue after we die.." yes, let us hope!
Adriana Braescu
03:11:31
people pay taxes for education. The state use those money as they like, without paying attention to the real needs. In my country, half of the kids live poor lives, education is in a huge crisis, the ngo s are trying to cover the educational needs. There is a very grey line between the right to education and the compulsory education provided in dictatorship terms.... Perhaps a manifesto about this issue is necessary
Cian
03:12:21
Is there statistical data available about outcomes of SDE
Chinook Free Learners
03:12:45
Yes!
Liz Campbell
03:13:04
@Adriana, where are you located?
deborourke
03:13:08
CIAN, that is Gina’s work. She is presenting this afternoon.
Adriana Braescu
03:13:18
Romania - East Europe
Vera Goodman
03:13:29
Reading is very important to democracy. I was going to talk about how Alternate Educators can help to restore reading which is going down hill. However, I have lost my voice and won't be presenting. Please email me at vera@readingwings.com as I will talk about this issue on a Zoom when my voice returns. Anxious to talk to all of you. Love free learning concept and AERO!
Chinook Free Learners
03:13:37
That is a great strategy - international pressure! No one wants to be left out. Least, governments.
Cian
03:13:50
That’s awesome! Thank you.
deborourke
03:16:01
Adriana, I understand that it takes great courage to work this way in Romania. Do you have many allies there? Many like-minded people?
Chinook Free Learners
03:16:15
Inter-generational, yes!A lifelong learning centre! Community centre!
Cian
03:16:32
I love love love that!
Richard Fransham
03:16:45
Question for Yaacov: Can you shed any light on how to encourage teacher unions to embrace SDE.
Penny Camps
03:16:49
YES 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽INTERGENERATIONAL schools 👍🏽👍🏽
Adriana Braescu
03:17:00
In 8 years, since I started to design an educational alterative (escape), I gathered around 1000 families
Tasha Gossett
03:17:23
is there not such a generational clash at Hadera? Here in UK it seems that many parents don't seem to understand self directed ed. are there things you do to help?
Adriana Braescu
03:17:29
there are other hundreds which are registered with umbrella schools in USA
deborourke
03:17:51
Wow!!!
Barry Chiate
03:17:58
A general question: Can we learn from children the natural way human beings learn? The humanistic approach to the Renaissance was based on observing how a 3 year old child naturally plays and learns. Give a 3 year old an arrangement of blocks and he/she will take each block apart and look at each part separately. The child with then reassemble the blocks with their own creative design.
Adriana Braescu
03:18:23
but this is not areal solution.... you can't hide for the whole12-13 years instead of doing the awareness about how putrid is the educational system
Heather MacTaggart
03:18:28
Love that! We have these buildings called "schools" full of resources and we only use them a fraction of the time. 365, 24/7 makes so much more sense!
Shari
03:18:34
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Susan M
03:20:04
Reminds me of maker spaces, although with insurance and liability, sadly it keeps the children out.
Chinook Free Learners
03:20:04
@Heather! That is what I am doing with the ‘Dandelion Collective’- co-learning/co-working/other adult classes after hours! -
Adriana Braescu
03:20:45
I call those co-working spaces libraries of Alexandria - like the old one
deborourke
03:21:47
Heather, it didn’t used to be that way. Dale Shuttleworth’s book on community and schooling in Toronto might interest you. U of T press
Dileepa Manawadu
03:23:13
@Adriana - iIs there space for you to start off on your own? Through private funding /coop etc? Demonstrate that it works and then reach out? That’s what we are attempting in Sri Lanka. Reach out to me if you like. We can talk. Every child gets to school here, but the disparities between schools is huge as government funding is limited and most often the schools are run by parents and their economic position. (So in reality our public education is only superficially funded by the public)
Su Verri
03:23:18
very inspiring this panel. I feel very encouraged to move forward. Thanks Yaacov
Adriana Braescu
03:23:56
I did, as a British Curriculum School in Romania, for EOTAS families.
Barry Chiate
03:24:06
The discussion right now about schools becoming community learning spaces for people of all ages. This is exactly the idea of Peter Sense (Systems Thinking founder at MIT for 25 years) Schools that Learn - the schools are feely available on the weekends - so it could be free. Schools that Learn are schools that evolve and change with the changes in society. This is the book to look at. Also check our Peter Sense on Youtube. He’s a regular guy and says more in 3 minutes than people say in a book.
Susan M
03:25:14
Barry, Peter Senge?
Adriana Braescu
03:25:17
The school is named CEREHARD (the acronym, in Romanian, for Re-Design ngo Resource Centre for Holistic Education).
Liza Loop
03:25:33
@Yaacov, would you revisit your comments about dictatorship and democracy?
Amukta Mahapatra
03:25:53
What abt the Folk Schools in Finland, was it?
Adriana Braescu
03:26:04
I hope we keep in touch.... to discuss further
Chinook Free Learners
03:26:06
@Dileepa,@Adriana - yes, start up a private version for now - prove it works - it takes time for gov’t to change. The lifelong learning centre, because you can make maximum use of the space can make it more economically viable to offer this alternative education to children - subsidized by the other activities being offered by the centre.
Dileepa Manawadu
03:27:22
Agree 100% with Yaacov! I feel as if he is talking about Sri Lanka. We have been a democracy - but truly it has always been a dictatorship! And I believe this was allowed and continued by schools killing democratic thought from day 1 in school.
Amukta Mahapatra
03:28:11
Prove to whom? There are enough examples worked out over the last 100 years?
deborourke
03:28:53
In my home town! Thanks Monica!
Adriana Braescu
03:28:56
the Romanian democracy is 30 years old only... proof is needed :-)
Cris
03:29:56
Brazil too Adriana.
Amukta Mahapatra
03:30:06
This is where the international experience needs to be taken and shown.
Barry Chiate
03:30:09
I’m an etymology nut. Education literally means - To build up and lead out. I’ve asked 20 professors of education if they know the etymology of intelligence. None on them have known. Intelle (Between) Legere (To choose) Intelligence means: To choose between - our lives are all about the choices we make - not what other people said.
Amukta Mahapatra
03:30:10
?
Richard Fransham
03:30:37
I hope all here will register to receive updates on the Youth Rights Day: https://youthrightsday.com/contact/
Cian
03:31:04
That’s why I was asking about stats for evidence to support the cause with ministry of ed
Cian
03:31:41
United we stand - tall!
Evangelos
03:32:07
in Corfu
Barry Chiate
03:32:46
Peter Senge’s main focus now is on the value of education. Times change. He reports that 4 year olds are the best natural systems thinkers and are better creative problem solvers than many high school students. The system expands - like a drop of ink in a pitcher of water.
Susan M
03:33:13
I love that. I'm more "Yacov" than anything. :)
André Clements
03:33:25
Thank you!
Monica Kmetz Cochran
03:33:33
thank you!!!!!
Heather Yang
03:33:40
I you guys are interesting how’s Taiwan doing~~
Liz Campbell
03:33:53
Much love to you from Canada, Yaacov!
Jason Shipley
03:33:53
thank you so much.
Susan M
03:33:58
Thank you!
Derry Hannam
03:34:06
Thank you Yaacov. Always great to see you!!
Adriana Braescu
03:34:23
perhaps some reports from each country would be helpfulin building a database
Cian
03:34:25
🙏 Thank you Yaacov.
Alicia Richard
03:34:25
INCREDIBLE! LOVE! THANK YOU!
Heather Yang
03:34:37
Welcome to join our conference next week online~ Is free of charge, and in English~ https://forms.gle/nuxJ1dRDT5yYjdP28
André Clements
03:34:45
Hear hear! Jerry and Yaacov and Derry are three Godfathers
Aakash Khandelwal
03:34:57
thanks a ton for bringing fresh thoughts to us on aspects in DE