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Technical Roundtable: Advancing beneficial ownership disclosure in Africa - Shared screen with speaker view
Hédi Zaghouani (BDO UK)
01:02:48
Hello everyone, I am Hedi Zaghouani from BDO UK Hedi.Zaghouani@bdo-ifi.com
Moses Semwayo
01:03:34
Moses Semwayo Centre for Civil Society Zimbabwe
Chinedu Bassey
01:03:43
Hello everyone, my name is Chinedu Bassey CISLAC/TI-Nigeria
Debra Port-Louis
01:04:21
hello correction in Seychelles legal person threshold is 10percent no threshold on legal arrangement
Christina Berger Secrétariat international
01:08:08
Pour ceux qui viennent nous rejoindre, l'interprétation est disponible pour cette table ronde en anglais et en français. Vous devez utiliser l'application Zoom sur votre PC ou sur votre téléphone pour accéder à cette fonction. Veuillez cliquer sur le bouton "langue" ou "interprétation" ou "autre" sur l'application mobile et cliquez sur "interprétation" puis sélectionnez la langue.
Nejm Zitouni BDO UK
01:18:45
Hello everyone, I am Nejm Zitouni from BDO UK Nejm.Zitouni@bdo-ifi.com
Debra Port-Louis
01:24:03
Hi, also to note that for extractive industry in Seychelles as per the BO Act this information is publicly available at the office of the registrar of companies. thank you
Louise Russell-Prywata
01:30:31
Hi all, links to resources I mentioned: The Open Ownership Principles - https://www.openownership.org/principles/
Louise Russell-Prywata
01:31:12
Guidance for implementers: BO Definitions and Thresholds https://www.openownership.org/uploads/definitions-briefing.pdf
Louise Russell-Prywata
01:31:46
And guidance on verification of BO data: https://www.openownership.org/uploads/OpenOwnership%20Verification%20Briefing.pdf
Joyce’s iPhone
01:46:10
How is Nigeria collecting PSC information- manually or an automated system?
Edwin Warden (EITI)
01:46:46
Hi Everyone, feel free to drop any questions here for Alhaji Abubakar and other speakers
Karabo Rajuili - Open Ownership
01:46:58
Nigeria CAC PSC search link: https://search.cac.gov.ng/home
Lola Adekanye
01:55:16
Question for Jemima, is some of the data accessible to compliance professionals or CSOs in the private sector or in financial institutions before a pay wall to conduct due diligence and analysis?
Karabo Rajuili - Open Ownership
01:57:29
Link to Ghana RGD webpage: https://rgd.gov.gh/
Edwin Warden (EITI)
01:57:43
EN – “Welcome to those joining. Interpretation is available for this Roundtable in English and French. You must be using the Zoom Desktop or Mobile App to access this feature. Please find the “language” or “interpretation” button or ‘more’ on the mobile app and tap “language interpretation” and select your preferred language.”FR – « Bienvenue à vous. L'interprétation est disponible pour cette table ronde en anglais et en français. Vous devez utiliser l'application Zoom sur votre PC ou sur votre téléphone pour accéder à cette fonction. Veuillez cliquer sur le bouton "langue" ou "interprétation" ou "autre" sur l'application mobile et cliquez sur "interprétation" puis sélectionnez la langue. »
Lola Adekanye
01:58:22
Question for Alhj Abubakar and Madam Jemima, has there ever been a survey/FGD with the private sector in Nigeria or Ghana to understand what limitations, concerns or political road blocks may exist in order to address them before considering sanctions?
Bash
02:07:51
A question to Alhaji Abubakari- Does the BO information collected cover individual buying companies of Nigeria's crude?
Alioune Badara PAYE - Deputy Permanent Secretary - EITI SENEGAL
02:13:21
All the process for Sénégal is explained on this page http://itie.sn/2020/06/19/registre-de-beneficiaires-effectifs-mettre-fin-a-lanonymat-des-societes/
Marie Ah-Lime (EITI)
02:14:01
EN – To join Breakout room 1 on legal approaches, please remain in this plenary meeting room and wait.FR - Pour participer à la Discussion de groupe 1 sur les approches juridiques, veuillez rester en ligne et patienter dans cette réunion Zoom.
Marie Ah-Lime (EITI)
02:14:22
EN - To join Breakout room 2 on collecting quality data, please join the Zoom meeting below:https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89630867831?pwd=MzU5Y24ydUJwTmM1Rklmbk1peUxnQT09Meeting ID : 896 3086 7831Passcode: 028884Once the breakout room is over, you will have to come back to this plenary meeting room.FR - Pour participer à la Discussion de groupe 2 sur la collecte des données de qualité, merci de rejoindre la réunion Zoom ci-dessous :https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89630867831?pwd=MzU5Y24ydUJwTmM1Rklmbk1peUxnQT09Meeting ID : 896 3086 7831Passcode: 028884Une fois la discussion terminée, vous devrez revenir à la session plénière.
sSandra Satisse CHEYI
02:14:24
JE CHOISI LE GROUPE 1
Lakshmi Kumar
02:16:09
I applaud the choice of music for the tea break!
Nkechi Coker OCP
02:16:17
Nice music.. lol
Steph Muchai
02:16:40
Manu Dibango RIP - ditto great choice of music!
Idriss Linge
02:17:39
From Cameroon Proud to say that
Nana Abena Omane
02:18:54
Hello could you please share the links to the groups again?
Christina Berger Secrétariat international
02:19:06
Please feel free to join us in Breakout room 2 if you are interested in how to collect high quality beneficial ownership data https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89630867831?pwd=MzU5Y24ydUJwTmM1Rklmbk1peUxnQT09
Marie Ah-Lime (EITI)
02:19:07
EN - Thanks everyone, glad to see that everyone enjoy the music. The breakout rooms will start at 11:25 UTC.FR - Merci tout le monde. Les discussions de groupe commenceront à 11h25 UTC.
Christina Berger Secrétariat international
02:19:21
If you want to go to breakout room 1, stay on this line.
Marie Ah-Lime (EITI)
02:19:24
EN – To join Breakout room 1 on legal approaches, please remain in this plenary meeting room and wait.FR - Pour participer à la Discussion de groupe 1 sur les approches juridiques, veuillez rester en ligne et patienter dans cette réunion Zoom.
Marie Ah-Lime (EITI)
02:19:40
EN - To join Breakout room 2 on collecting quality data, please join the Zoom meeting below:https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89630867831?pwd=MzU5Y24ydUJwTmM1Rklmbk1peUxnQT09Meeting ID : 896 3086 7831Passcode: 028884Once the breakout room is over, you will have to come back to this plenary meeting room.FR - Pour participer à la Discussion de groupe 2 sur la collecte des données de qualité, merci de rejoindre la réunion Zoom ci-dessous :https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89630867831?pwd=MzU5Y24ydUJwTmM1Rklmbk1peUxnQT09Meeting ID : 896 3086 7831Passcode: 028884Une fois la discussion terminée, vous devrez revenir à la session plénière.
Christina Berger Secrétariat international
02:19:56
Merci Marie!
Karabo Rajuili - Open Ownership
02:24:37
EN - To join Breakout room 2 on collecting quality data, please join the Zoom meeting below:https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89630867831?pwd=MzU5Y24ydUJwTmM1Rklmbk1peUxnQT09Meeting ID : 896 3086 7831Passcode: 028884Once the breakout room is over, you will have to come back to this plenary meeting room.FR - Pour participer à la Discussion de groupe 2 sur la collecte des données de qualité, merci de rejoindre la réunion Zoom ci-dessous :https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89630867831?pwd=MzU5Y24ydUJwTmM1Rklmbk1peUxnQT09Meeting ID : 896 3086 7831Passcode: 028884Une fois la discussion terminée, vous devrez revenir à la session plénière.
Christina Berger Secrétariat international
02:27:10
We'll hear examples of Senegal and Ghana in breakout room 2 on data collection: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89630867831?pwd=MzU5Y24ydUJwTmM1Rklmbk1peUxnQT09
Karabo Rajuili - Open Ownership
02:41:47
A reminder of the original question: What approach has your country used (considered using) in developing a legal framework for beneficial ownership disclosure (for example, amending existing or developing new laws or regulations, learning from other jurisdictions/standards)What are some of the challenges or questions you have had in developing a legal framework?Is there anything your country can do to improve (or start designing) the legal framework?
Karabo Rajuili - Open Ownership
02:43:46
Quelle approche votre pays a-t-il utilisé (envisagé d'utiliser) pour élaborer un cadre juridique pour la divulgation de la propriété effective (par exemple, modification des lois ou régulations existantes ou élaboration de nouvelles lois ou régulations, apprentissage à partir d'autres juridictions/normes) ?Quels sont les défis ou les questions que vous avez rencontrés lors de l'élaboration d'un cadre juridique ?Qu’est ce que votre pays peut faire pour améliorer (ou commencer à concevoir) le cadre juridique ?
Patricia Opoka
02:43:52
For Uganda, we are currently undergoing the legal reform process to amend the law and operationalize the provisions with regulations.
OUEDRAOGO
02:44:53
Bonjour à tous, en ce qui concerne le Burkina Faso
Patricia Opoka
02:45:13
Our major challenge is funding
Steph Muchai
02:48:32
Exemptions are usually really critical in the region to prevent opportunity for broad, vague exemption provisions. The access to information principles for example go into detail on narrow exemptions and tests for whether exemptions are viable. The ATI principles also address the important potential barrier of cost of accessing information. Might be useful to incorporate some of these into recommendations for legal frameworks for beneficial ownership as well - https://www.article19.org/resources/international-standards-right-information/#:~:text=The%20right%20to%20access%20information%20held%20by%20public%20authorities%20is,presumption%20that%20all%20information%20is
TYMON
02:50:50
For coverage and exemptions, please see the Open Ownership principles on effective disclosure, especially "Coverage":Concernant les exemptions, veuillez consulter les principes de Open Ownership sur la divulgation efficace, en particulier "Coverage" (uniquement en anglais):https://www.openownership.org/principles/comprehensive-coverage/
Steph Muchai
02:51:53
Thanks
OUEDRAOGO
02:59:02
Le Burkina Faso vient d'adopter un décret portant obligation de divulgation des bénéficiaires effectifs. Il reste la mise en œuvre pratique de la thématique. Cela nécessite des compétences techniques. Dans ce cadre le pays a grandement besoin de l'appui de l'ITIE et des pays ayant une expérience en la matière.
Tim Law
03:01:07
Confidentiality and privacy is an important topic. Here is a link to a blog piece I co-authored on this technical topic, which might be of interest to implementors. https://bo6.global/2020/11/11/beneficial-ownership-balancing-transparency-and-privacy/
Samuel Osei Bekoe
03:01:32
Sorry for joining late. Samuel Bekoe here
Eryck Herinarahinjaka
03:07:27
Pour la mise en œuvre de la Propriété Réelle à Madagascar, nous avons commencé notamment par l’adoption de la Feuille de Route sur la Divulgation des propriétés réelles en décembre 2016 par le Comité National EITI Madagascar et la mise en place d’un Comité de Pilotage comprenant les représentants de l’Administration, des industries extractives et de la société civile pour l’inclusion de la propriété réelle dans les textes législatifs applicables.Pour avoir force exécutoire, les exigences liées à la propriété réelle, adoptées par le Comité National, devraient être incluses dans le cadre légal et institutionnel du secteur extractif et/ou dans toute autre législation applicable. Aussi, un projet de décret a été préparé par le Comité National en décembre 2019 et proposé au Champion de EITI Madagascar mais pour des raisons de priorités et notamment les raisons sanitaires du COVID-19 en 2020, ce projet de décret n’a pas encore été présenté et adopté
Marie Ah-Lime (EITI)
03:16:08
EN - Enjoy the music and we will come back at 12:25 UTCFR - Profitez de la musique et nous recommencerons à 12:25 UTC
Tim Law
03:17:20
Some more information about the music would be very welcome!!
Kaisa Judith Marijke de Bel
03:25:54
Please find GFI’s materials here:Factsheets on IFFs in Kenya & BO law in Kenya:https://gfintegrity.org/advocacy/countries/kenya/Factsheets on IFFs in Uganda & Beneficial Ownership in Uganda:https://gfintegrity.org/advocacy/countries/uganda/Video:https://twitter.com/IllicitFlows/status/1392873520774983685
Maureen Kariuki
03:26:05
Music: Manu Dibango - Soul Makossa; Sauti Sol - Sura Nzuri; Mafikizolo ft Uhuru - Khona :)
Steph Muchai
03:26:07
@Tim;Manu Dibango “Makossa” (Cameroon)https://youtu.be/o0CeFX6E2yISauti Sol “Sura Yako” (Kenya)https://youtu.be/lEJw64Zl28UEnjoy
Tim Law
03:26:43
Chat saved! 👍
Sven Biermann
03:33:47
Dear Lakshmi, very good point. Beneficial Ownership is already part of the Fisheries Transparency Initiative (FiTI). The FiTI Standard is, similar to the EITI Standard for oil, gas and mining, addressing transparency aspects in marine fisheries management (and BOT is part of this). We are working now with our colleagues in Seychelles and Mauritania on these matters. Happy to provide more information (sbiermann@fiti.global).
Edwin Warden (EITI)
03:39:51
Hi Everyone, feel free to share your thoughts and questions to the speakers here in the chat box.
Marie Ah-Lime (EITI)
03:54:38
N'hésitez surtout pas à vous exprimer dans le chat. Pour poser des questions ou tout simplement réagir.
Demba Seydi
04:02:57
See Publish What You Pay portal on the Disclose The Deal campaign. This is a global campaign for contract transparency in the oil, gas and mining industries
Demba Seydi
04:02:59
https://www.disclosethedeal.org/
Tim Law
04:04:06
I absolutely agree that the private sector are an important stakeholder group. As users as well as suppliers of BO data. The largest user group of the UK public register is SMEs doing due diligence.
Tim Law
04:06:21
However, for countries seeking to meet the FATF Recommendations there is a challenge in the link between R10, R24 and R25, where the quality of data in BO registers is not considered sufficient for the financial sector to be able to place reliance on it.
Jaco Oelofsen
04:09:19
We also shouldn't overlook the potential role of labour in private and public sector self-regulation. BO data can be used by unions in order to detect and challenge e.g illicit profit shifting from within companies
Lakshmi Kumar
04:09:39
It Is also of incredible to Customs Departments
Lakshmi Kumar
04:09:51
value to Customs departments
Lola Adekanye
04:12:53
BOT is very useful in public procurement supported by credible whistleblower processes as well
rachel kayeye
04:12:59
Pour la RDC, en ce qui concerne la propriété réelle, il est à noté que le principe est en vulgarisation en rapport avec la nouvelle loi portant régime des Hydrocarbures
Lola Adekanye
04:13:42
But private sector will have multiple concerns that would be important to understand e.g - data privacy and cyber security
Faith Nwadishi ED CTA
04:14:37
BO is very beneficial in conflict stimulation for a country like Nigeria where have distrust across regions it is important to really understand the owners
Tim Law
04:14:55
Excellent session. Thanks to all the speakers.
Lakshmi Kumar
04:15:15
Thank you for a great two days!
Marie Ah-Lime (EITI)
04:15:37
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Steph Muchai
04:15:55
Great two days on a really critical topic. Thanks OGP, EITI, OO and all!
Moses Semwayo
04:17:56
Thanks
Moses Semwayo
04:18:21
For having me from Zimbabwe
Karabo Rajuili - Open Ownership
04:19:13
More about the Opening Extractives programme here: https://www.openownership.org/news/new-programme-opening-extractives-launch/
Jeffrey N. Yates
04:20:09
Thanks everyone. Great Presenters and Presentations!
Joy W N
04:20:38
Great discussion. For all officials interested in understanding implementation and use of information challenges please reach out to me at joy.Waruguru.ndubai@wu.ac.at
Maureen Kariuki
04:20:46
Open Government Partnership (OGP) Resources on Beneficial Ownership https://www.opengovpartnership.org/policy-area/beneficial-ownership/
Louise Russell-Prywata
04:20:57
For more info on the Opening Extractives programme please contact openingextractives@eiti.org or your EITI/Open Ownership contacts - thank you.
Moses Semwayo
04:20:58
semwayo1@gmail.com
Louise Russell-Prywata
04:21:19
Sharing a virtual business card with you all too :) louise@openownership.org
Christina Berger Secrétariat international
04:21:26
Please contact Mahlime@eiti.org if you wish to have a certificate of participation
Patricia Opoka
04:21:31
sabek2g@gmail.com
Chenai Mukumba
04:21:34
cmukumba@taxjusticeafrica.net
Moses Semwayo
04:21:41
+263774279510 app
Patricia Opoka
04:21:46
patricia.opoka@ursb.go.ug
Toavina
04:21:47
toavina@omnis.mg
Sandrine Ebakisse
04:21:48
s.ebakisse@afdb.org
Tim Law
04:21:54
tim.law@engaged-consulting.com
Lola Adekanye
04:21:54
If you wish to increase private sector understanding and participation in Africa, please email me - ladekanye@cipe.org
José Cardoso, STP EITI
04:22:04
José Cardoso (STP EITI) jcardoso@eiti.st
Demba Seydi
04:22:12
dseydi@pwyp.org
Caroline_Sey iPhone
04:22:13
governor@cbs.sc
Jeffrey N. Yates
04:22:15
j.yates2007@yahoo.com/ jefferynukata2000@gmail.com
Chenai Mukumba
04:22:18
Great meeting - thank you EITI, OO and OGP
Karabo Rajuili - Open Ownership
04:22:18
Open Ownership is currently recruiting to support the work in Africa ( please share with networks) : https://www.openownership.org/news/new-role-regional-associate-africa/
rachel kayeye
04:22:32
je voulais dire, ce concept est apparu 4 ans après la Loi Portant régime général des Hydrocarbures. de 2015, et 3 ans après la Loi minière de 2018, qui fait déjà mention de cette norme dans le corps de son texte et du règlement minier. Pour notre part, pensons que nous allons faire allusion à cela dans nos contrats étant donné le cratère impérieux de la cette norme qu'est propriété réelle. De Rachel KAYEYE
OUEDRAOGO
04:22:44
ouedlamouss@gmail.com ou lamoussa.barthelemy@finances.gov.bf
Faith Nwadishi ED CTA
04:22:46
nwadishifaith2007@gmail.com
Jeffrey N. Yates
04:22:56
jefferynukatayates2000@gmail.com
Tim Law
04:23:53
Here is a link to a technical paper called Towards a Global Norm of Beneficial Ownership Transparency, prepared for UK Government. https://issuu.com/adamsmithinternational/docs/towards_a_global_norm_of_beneficial_9f6920e1fce9a4
Julien TINGAIN
04:24:35
tingaink@yahoo.fr (Julien TINGAIN de la Cote d'Ivoire)
Lola Adekanye
04:24:38
To increase private sector compliance culture in Africa, CIPE just launched the Ethics 1st initative - https://www.ethics1st.cipe.org/