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High Stakes No Takes: Parents & Students Speak Out Against In-Person Exams - Shared screen with speaker view
Suzanne Miller
35:51
While you're waiting to start, please take a moment to sign our petition: tinyurl.com/HighStakesNoTakes
Jen Painter
38:02
Thank you to the organizers from this Durham ESL teacher for prioritizing language access!
Matthew Poston
40:59
yes
Joseph Stapleton
44:39
thank you for this valuable info!!
Selena Ibarra
50:55
Good information Will!
Marcella Nytz
51:07
Thank you for the data.
Nan Fulcher
52:04
There are currently about 40-45 clusters of COVID-19 infection at schools, public and private tracked by NC Department of Health and Human Services
Cathy Emrick
52:55
Nan, can you please share where we can find that data?
Nan Fulcher
53:03
https://files.nc.gov/covid/documents/dashboard/Weekly-Ongoing-Clusters-in-Child-Care-and-School-Settings.pdf
Cathy Emrick
53:13
Thank you!
Rebecca Beittel
54:03
Thank you for dong this. I am a HS teacher. I received the email from State Sup Mark Johnson today regarding testing. He attached a form to fill out to send in if you disagree with having in-person tests (EOCs.) I plan on doing that tomorrow.
Julie furdyna Furdyna
54:11
I think it’s critical to recognize that masks and social distancing are only a part of the equation. time is a critical piece and most of the time interactions at 6 ft with masks are for 20 minutes or less. a 4 hour test is not safe in an indoor setting even with greater than 6 ft distances
STACEY SATTERWHITE
54:50
My twin daughters both are diabetic...one is TYPE 1 AND THE OTHER TYPE 2...the one who is Type 1 also has asthma and severe hypertension...….the other she has severe iron defiency ,,,,I will not send them back. I can't
Julie furdyna Furdyna
54:57
I don’t see why they can’t just get in completed and take the test after the vaccine is available
Joseph Stapleton
56:52
so true!!
ANgela Miles
57:03
What happens when you don't send your child back to take their exams because they and myself have underlining health issues
Lesley Ferth
57:06
Thanks Rebecca. Can I find this form also? My junior has an EOC on Monday. I am trying to fight this.
Julie furdyna Furdyna
57:06
data should never be more important than safety - the test isn’t adding to their fund of knowledge it is just a measurement
Rebecca Beittel
57:17
https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/NCSBE/2020/12/09/file_attachments/1621490/Objection%20Form.pdf
Beth Newsome
57:43
exactly! compliance should not be the highest virtue!
Joseph Stapleton
58:01
"we always have a choice" -- great point!
Nan Fulcher
58:30
The message sent by Superintendent Johnson is NOT about in person tests per se. Our current understanding of the "objection" is whether or not you agree with how much the EOC high school tests will count toward a student's final grade.
Jen Painter
58:43
Sharing this memo from the state testing office that states that students who do not take the tests during the fall semester may take them in the spring or summer testing windows. Some districts are being more transparent with this information than others: https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/NCSBE/2020/11/13/file_attachments/1601158/2020-21%20Testing%20&%20Accountability%20Update.pdf
Rebecca Beittel
59:20
Yes, some districts are being intentionally not transparent.
holly Hardin
59:23
“We always have a choice”- thank you for saying this.
Casey Purdy
59:24
Wake County parent and former teacher here - I question if my district and others even have the ability to administer these tests. They’ve been done on laptops for years, and aren’t most or all school laptops in student homes now?
Joseph Stapleton
59:52
right -- we can't keep acting like everything is normal!
Honor Moor
59:56
I agree with Ilina. This is a great time to think about whether or not testing should continue. This is a dangerous time with the infection rate going through the roof. The billion dollar industrial testing complex should end. Testing has been show to have no prediction of how a student turns out later.
Mika Hunter Twietmeyer
01:00:15
Schools that have been virtual all year do not have the capacity or supplies to safely administer in-person exams (Durham teacher here)
Rebecca Beittel
01:00:54
Let me know if this opens. I’m doing this on my phone.
Rebecca Beittel
01:00:57
https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/NCSBE/2020/12/09/file_attachments/1621490/Objection%20Form.pdf
Conswalia Chambers-Banks
01:01:18
I agree! my children won't be going either!
Susan Book
01:01:22
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RY7xacnb1lkKN2hYr_-UEvdZYmWBf1gwLA0fXmH8XA0/edit?usp=sharing
Christopher Meglin
01:02:09
What happens when teachers, who are our children's leaders, are scared to be in a room with them and are being forced to be in the same room and have a level head to administer some test? Our State Board needs to have an empathetic mind here, not just a logical one.
Nan Fulcher
01:02:42
Test administration would seem like it can be done at home with student lap tops, but the testing environment cannot be secured, to prove children aren't "cheating" or to confirm they are not having technical difficulties. The data that arises from such non uniform conditions will always be suspect
Shea Walter
01:04:04
Our principal is saying that my third grader must enter the building to take the BOG next week. Can they really force us to bring him in the building?
Honor Moor
01:04:29
Our PTO is currently shut down due to Covid.
Suzanne Miller
01:04:43
Shea, you can refuse for BOGs and EOGs in lower grades. It does not affect their grades or promotion.
Shea Walter
01:05:02
thank you Suzanne!
Nan Fulcher
01:05:21
Many PTA/PTO are not active now , or are too small to have dedicated advocacy committee
Lisa Nolf
01:05:35
I thought that this order to have testing in-person was coming from the federal level. Am I wrong?
Jen Painter
01:05:57
Lisa, yes, completely canceling the tests requires a federal waiver.
Jen Painter
01:06:22
But there are certain aspects of the testing over which the state exerts some control: the requirement for the grade to count 20%.
Joseph Stapleton
01:06:55
and getting that requirement waived would make it easier for students to stay home!
Jen Painter
01:06:55
And this memo from the state testing office suggests that local boards have flexibility in some other areas: https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/NCSBE/2020/11/13/file_attachments/1601158/2020-21%20Testing%20&%20Accountability%20Update.pdf
Selena Ibarra
01:07:18
si tienen preguntas en español. pueden mandarme las preguntas ami! (if you have any questions in Spanish, send them my way!)
Lisa Nolf
01:07:30
At this point, my school starts testing on Monday and I don't see them changing anything.
Nan Fulcher
01:07:33
thank you Selena!
Joseph Stapleton
01:07:48
That's it!!!
Ilina Ewen
01:07:59
Bring up this issue to your PTAs and capitalize on the power in numbers. Imagine if this were the catalyst to galvanize students and parents to propel an opt out movement in NC.
Elisa Gura
01:08:27
+1
Javiera Caballero
01:08:30
What was shared about high school tests?
Mika Hunter Twietmeyer
01:08:49
Us educators really need the parents to help with this issue!
Elisa Gura
01:08:53
Give me a minute I'm trying to get this thing on muted. I'm so sorry
Elisa Gura
01:09:08
My settings have been muted so I have to change it it'll be just a minute
Cathy Emrick
01:09:09
I wrote a letter to the editor that was published in the Raleigh News and Observer (and I'm assuming the Durham Herald-Sun as well): https://www.newsobserver.com/article247605710.html
Nan Fulcher
01:09:23
could the group clarify the Superintendent message of today. there is confusion about it being directly related to in-person testing
Chelsea Bartel
01:09:38
Yes, Nan I can take that.
Honor Moor
01:09:57
I appreciate this group got together. What are you all doing at a state level?
Selena Ibarra
01:10:02
Can you place the superintendent message in the chat?
Ilina Ewen
01:10:06
My sons refused the tests grades 3-8 with no repercussions.
Marcella Nytz
01:10:22
Is that documented somewhere to be able to share if/when I have to refuse testing for my child?
Nan Fulcher
01:11:24
From NC Superintendent Mark JohnsonEducators:Many have contacted DPI and local school leaders to voice concerns over the State Board of Education’s requirements for mandatory EOCs that also count as 20% of a student’s grade. If you disagree with these requirements, please see below for how you can have your voice heard.The State Board will soon finalize its testing rule for the entire state. This rule will require most students to take EOC assessments. This rule will also require that a student’s EOC grade counts as at least 20% of the student’s overall grade for the class.Once the State Board secures final approval from the NC Rules Review Commission, these requirements will become permanent. It will then be difficult to change this EOC rule – even if North Carolina gets testing waivers from the U.S. Department of Education.If you disagree with these requirements, you can have your voice heard by filling out this objection form and emailing, mailing, or faxing it to the NC Rules Review Commission.
James Graves
01:11:32
Is anyone irate about the 20% of overall grade policy? So easily waved — possibly discriminatory against those with learning disabilities and challenging home environments. Setting aside the madness of giving these tests in public, how terrible to make our states students less competitive with Georgia, Mass,etc kids….
Marcella Nytz
01:12:16
Thank you!
Suzanne Miller
01:12:38
http://www.fairtest.org/get-involved/opting-out
Robert Grace
01:13:00
Does anyone have information on the testing window for Buncombe County?
Dana Griffin
01:13:14
+1
Suzanne Miller
01:13:14
http://www.fairtest.org/why-you-can-boycott-testing-without-fear
Chad Pharr
01:15:18
I’m Chad Pharr I’d like to speak❤️
Honor Moor
01:15:44
Social media is the fast way to get the word out.
Casey Purdy
01:15:49
+1
Susan Feinblatt
01:15:56
I have been talking to DPI, and different people in our district as well as have tried advocating with legislators and the media. What I was told today by our district that if we delay testing students will have to take the test in January when it is likely the pandemic will be worse and likely less safe environments because students will have to take the tests in classrooms with less social distancing.
Dana Griffin
01:16:09
Thank you.
Dennis Kubasko
01:16:23
And it isn't just EOG's and EOC's being "required" of students in schools. It's also a variety of external diagnostic testing that steals valuable instructional time from teacher and students.
Honor Moor
01:16:40
Chad, I can’t hear you
Elisa Gura
01:16:57
I was knocked out but I am back. I'd love to ask the question if there's time
Ilina Ewen
01:17:01
Having trouble hearing Chad.
Riley Driver
01:17:12
Super quiet here too
Suzanne Miller
01:17:14
Elisa, please ask it here if you’d like
Honor Moor
01:17:18
Chad, I haven’t been able to here you very well.
Julie furdyna Furdyna
01:18:18
+1
Elisa Gura
01:18:39
+1
María Luisa Solís Guzmán
01:19:47
Letha, Could you share this video in Spanish? I can share to the latino community in Durham.
Christy Morehead
01:20:18
Perhaps the faith community could get involved.
Robert Grace
01:20:21
what is the testing window for Buncombe County High Schools?
James Graves
01:20:34
It’s all terrible (maybe criminal) but the 20% of final grade not being waved is kicking our kids while down. Unreal. If interested in focusing on that bit, please lmk here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19K8uLNr3zf4LZe8OFm6WJn6fyOVs_kfyiJY1cJXlCJg/edit
Sarah Montgomery
01:21:13
This live video is recorded in English (Spanish channel isn't part of recording) but we will follow up and explore more outreach options and ways to communicate and share the info. Thank you!
María Luisa Solís Guzmán
01:21:46
Thank you
Cristo Salazar (ISLA NC)
01:22:02
I would love to find a way for ISLA to help with this outreach to the Latinx community!
Honor Moor
01:22:10
Thank you Casey, the ACT & SAT’s should be completely waived for college applicants this year and next.
Sarah Montgomery
01:22:30
Let's make it happen, Cristo! We'll follow up with you and the ISLA team. Thank you!
Cindy Hamilton
01:22:30
It is ironic that our district will not have the PSAT due to covid but yet they are hosting this standardized testing.
Honor Moor
01:23:03
I know of parents who have driven out of state for hours so their kid could test. There are far less sites. It’s crazy.
Hannah Russell
01:23:33
My concern is OSEP is required to report specific indicators including AYP for SWD and racial disparities in edu achievement. State data is how they do this. why can we not take these tests virtually? They keep saying the results wouldn’t be valid- however if children “cheat” or use notes or whatever it will actually make NC look better during COVID. Can we advocate for virtual and not 20% so we still have data on SWD and student sub groups?
Nan Fulcher
01:24:36
What is needed is for districts taking a stand for children's safety, and cancelling testing without having Federal waiver and taking the "consequence"... a consequence that I believe will be non existent. Now districts are shrugging shoulders and saying "but our hands are tied by Fed requirements." They shouldn't be operating under the threat of repercussions in COVID times.
Honor Moor
01:24:42
Julie is my friend and a doctor. She knows what she is talking about. We are Asheville High School parents in Buncombe County.
Riley Driver
01:25:03
Let’s name that extensive testing isn’t just to collect data, it’s part of a plan to systematically discredit & defund public schools
Joseph Stapleton
01:25:27
in Durham there is a letter circulating written by parents informing our local BOE that they will not be having their kids test. it feels like this is one of the most effective things parents can do if nothing changes at the local, state, or federal level -- just keep your kids home! what do others think?
Letha Muhammad
01:25:49
I agree Joseph
Honor Moor
01:25:50
Thank you Riley. True.
Casey Purdy
01:26:06
I do hope for my own 11th grader than the ACT and SAT will not be required for college admission. NC currently requires all juniors, regardless of college plans, to take the ACT during the February in-person administration. To my knowledge this mandatory requirement is still in place.
Susan Feinblatt
01:26:21
These are federally funded state mandated tests and the state needs a federal waiver to be able to not have the tests or the state/district would be breaking federal law.
Ilina Ewen
01:26:27
Spot on, Riley. What would happen if we just simply did’t administer high stakes tests this year?
Honor Moor
01:26:52
Thank you Elisa. Asheville High Parents- We need to ALL send Mr. Edwards an email.
Shanna Peele
01:27:01
Yes, Riley. And to pit teachers against each other, as some teachers are offered bonuses for student performance and other teachers are not offered a bonus.
Suzanne Miller
01:27:26
Teachers can’t lead this effort, so that’s why parents and students must take the lead!
Nan Fulcher
01:27:27
Susan, we should understand the consequence of breaking Federal law
Susan Feinblatt
01:27:51
I have been writing Principal Edwards at Asheville high and there is nothing he can do.
Susan Feinblatt
01:28:22
Nan, I don't know what the consequences are. Does anyone here know?
Julie furdyna Furdyna
01:28:34
Susan, is there an option to take it in may/June
Nan Fulcher
01:28:41
if the 95% participation rule set by Federal governement is not met by a school, there is a scoring adjustment that happens. the world does not end.
Suzanne Miller
01:28:48
The federal government threatens to withhold funding if 95% of students don’t test, but that’s never happened.
Casey Purdy
01:28:53
It’s insanity that a child should have to choose between a grade and health.
SUSAN LINDSAY
01:28:56
Do I understand correctly that the state can change the 20% rule?
Julie furdyna Furdyna
01:28:59
thank you !!!!
Hannah Russell
01:29:07
Yes! Districts make choice- not DeVos. The EOG’s however are helpful to see racial disparities and disparities for SWD. Without this data we would loose it for student subgroups. My HS won’t go in person but I’d hate to loose the data on disparities
Honor Moor
01:29:10
Thank you! You all are awesome to lead this!
Chad Pharr
01:29:16
yes total insanity
Joseph Stapleton
01:29:17
the federal government has NEVER withheld federal funds from school districts for lack of compliance on 95% participation
Beth Newsome
01:29:20
thank you!
Joseph Stapleton
01:29:27
even in states with massive opt-out movements
Jen Painter
01:29:32
The threat that districts seem to fear is losing funding because of ESSA (formerly No Child Left Behind) requirements to test. I feel that it's unlikely the Biden administration would want to start things off by defunding public schools in a pandemic....but some districts are reluctant to take the risk.
Lydia Carrington
01:29:34
Thank you for this and all the great info.
Lesley Ferth
01:29:35
thank you
Honor Moor
01:29:49
Asheville High Parents. Please, someone other than me post in the parent group tonight.
Casey Purdy
01:29:56
Thank you for helping amplify our voices and concerns.
Suzanne Miller
01:30:06
@nctestingreform
Kristin Peimann
01:30:09
Thank you for all the great info!
Suzanne Miller
01:30:12
nctestingreform.org
Beth Newsome
01:30:22
I’m so hopeful that Jill Biden will be a big influence on federal ed policy!
Nan Fulcher
01:30:29
Supporting materials for tonight's event available on website
holly Hardin
01:30:30
As a teacher strongly opposed to testing thank you so much for the work you do.