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Glenn Bailey
15:45
Assembly Bill 361 Legislative Information link: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB361
Tony Wilkinson
24:26
When we have bylaws that include specific narratives at the start of meetings, we have vastly exceeded what baylaws are for. Even the city Municipal Code does not got that far.
Glenn Bailey
29:21
I did raise Laura's question during Thursday's EVG Hybrid Work Group meeting and my understanding was the City Council would take this action rather than each 99 NCs having to do so. Can someone confirm???
Cindy Cleghorn
29:39
Question for Ms Beltran - can you tell us about the survey(s) DONE will be promoting to the public ? Who has been involved from NCs in the survey content and distribution process?
Adriana De La Cruz
29:58
LANCC Agenda http://www.lancc.org/resources/LANCC%20agenda%202021.10.02.pdf
Glenn Bailey
32:15
BONC = Board of Neighborhood Commissioners
Glenn Bailey
34:11
Will BONC take that AB 361 action during its next meeting on Tuesday evening?
Robin Doyno
37:02
I just joined the meeting and I am curious if agendas will need to have Public Comment” at the begining of the meeting? Robin Doyno- Mar Vista
Tony Wilkinson
37:35
We should act on our own to meet what WE think is needed. NCs should stop asking for permission, especially when guidance is not yet formulated.
Tony Wilkinson
37:54
Who cares if DONE is 'mad'?
DavidRockello(hey/you)RVNC
38:34
Can the NC's reconvene their meetings on the same night as the technical difficulties or do they have to reschedule for 24 or 72hrs from that meeting!?!
Robin Doyno
39:05
Burry public comment? Robin-MAr Vista
Tony Wilkinson
39:21
Robin, best I can say from the conversation is to read AB361 and draw your own conclusion. Again, mantra is stop waiting for Mother DONE to tell us what to do.
Kay Hartman
43:03
I don't know what we will do if we have to have hybrid meetings. There is no wifi where we meet in person.
Cindy Cleghorn
43:33
The advice to remove the time limits is good. Also the point of tech difficulties. But I expect they’ll restart and continue.
Doug Epperhart
45:24
My NC is not getting the updates.
Cindy Cleghorn
45:38
Daily I meet people who don’t have the technology and they don’t want it. To be inclusive we need to accommodate alternatives.
David Uebersax
47:12
Doug...we've had two issues historically. One used to be that one BM would 'Unsubscribe' for us all, but I think that's been fixed.
David Uebersax
47:41
Another, was our email alias thingee have spam filters set too tightly
Tony Wilkinson
47:45
No different from an in-person meeting, we can declare a recess for 10 minute, end the video, and restart the platform and allow people to rejoin.
Cindy Cleghorn
49:44
I hope for an update on this: Question for Ms Beltran - can you tell us about the survey(s) DONE will be promoting to the public ? Who has been involved from NCs in the survey content and distribution process? Thanks.
Tony Wilkinson
51:22
Follow up on Cindy's question. Since almost no one knows about NCs now, how will a 1 million person survey set a BASELINE to see how NCs 'progress' above that survey level? I've talked with a DONE staffer who doesn't understand that either.
Laura Meyers
52:23
Question: If on the agenda we set a 3-minute general public period, can we exceed the time period?
Sharon Brewer
52:29
How do you let public know about any interruptions?
Tony Wilkinson
53:30
*I* have not received the listening survey. Has anyone else received it?
Kay Hartman
54:15
I did. It's supposed to be anonymous, but they ask for enough information that they could figure out who you are.
Kay Hartman
54:27
I refused to answer some of the identifying questions.
Tony Wilkinson
56:14
If we don't like the survey, WE JUST REFUSE TO PARTICIPATE. They can't do their 'perpetual feedback loop' without feedback. Just let them spend the grant money and listen to a general public that has no clue as to what NCs do. It will all vanish into the ether.
Cindy Cleghorn
56:52
What’s the timeline for NCs to expect feedback/ survey results?
Tony Wilkinson
57:44
We never aske for a public survey in which we have ZERO INPUT.
Cindy Cleghorn
59:19
In the redistricting process I’ve heard a lot of commenters speak positively about their NCs and expectations of them.
Cindy Cleghorn
01:00:57
Thank you for your time today Ms Beltran.
Tony Wilkinson
01:03:48
Why should we ask these questions of DONE. Just put the unfinished item on the next agenda OR NOT. It's up to you.
Conrad Starr
01:06:29
It would be helpful if we were to stop using language like “continue” and “table” when we mean “postpone to a time certain” or “postpone indefinitely”.
David Uebersax
01:07:00
Or, feedback from 99 NC's holding Public Meetings can be very clear guidance with context beyond 'data'...
David Uebersax
01:07:35
(Scientifically sampled or otherwise)
Tony Wilkinson
01:09:46
The surveys and questions should be POSTED for everyone to see. (Both surveys)
Tony Wilkinson
01:10:23
The specific methodology being used by the contractor should be POSTED for all to see.
Lauren (she /they) Echo Park
01:11:30
Echo Park had our election outreach professionally translated. Google translate will just anger the intended audience it's so bad.
PHILIP ARMSTRONG
01:13:44
Rampart Village Neighborhood Council has provided comments to the City on the Housing Element Update, which can be found at the following links:August 17, 2021 General Board meeting: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U1_eiWBvjvHOEgk8wvePtVKIGWN_DCds/view?usp=sharingSeptember 21, 2021 General Board meeting: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e82c3hEsDIUehBwEmKptwNvSMI94czdC/view?usp=sharingAs you can see in the linked data visualization, of the 8,671 occupied housing units paying rent in the 6 census tracts that make up Rampart Village, 4,650 or approximately 54% of the households occupying those housing units are rent burdened based on the most recent data available from the American Community Survey:rvnc_rent_burden | Tableau Public
Tony Wilkinson
01:17:24
This picture is true across all aras of LA. We are exceeding total of RHNA targets in market rate. We *cannot* meet the evry low, low, and moderate targets because of LAND COSTS. This is pure economics. All of the zoning attacks at the state level )ironically, for market rate housing= will not fix the low income housing problem. Economics, economics, economics. Without the state killed CRA, there is no subsidy money for low income housing.
David Uebersax
01:18:28
Like Dick points out...suddenly people buy into trickle down....
Cindy Cleghorn
01:21:59
The housing built in our neighborhoods is not affordable. It hurts to see the amount of hard earned money and some government help go to rent. And paid to owners who care little about the condition of their units.
Tony Wilkinson
01:23:13
Makes no sense. How can we act to replace the PRIOR General Plan housing element
Cindy Cleghorn
01:24:04
There’s nothing we or anyone can do. Processes take too long. The underserved and hard working people have to suffer with that lifestyle. Sad.
Tony Wilkinson
01:24:20
)2013 to 2021=
Tony Wilkinson
01:24:37
sry my spec chars are not working
Robin Doyno
01:27:04
It may be instructional or edifying for us to watch Mar Vista Community Council (NC)
Liz Amsden
01:29:32
Somehow the City, and much of the developed world, need to find ways to stop the commodification of housing, specifically speculators buying properties to upzone, overbuild, rent at untenable rates or hold onto so they can sell at a profit. Speculation is also driving land costs.
Lauren (she /they) Echo Park
01:29:57
Yes Liz, No Tony.
Tony Wilkinson
01:32:03
What we decide it is worth is socialism. The MARKET determines land value )capitalism
Liz Amsden
01:33:31
Or we will face the challenges Berlin has now that a prop using eminent domain to expropriate apartments from corporate landlords for the public good. How, I don't know but maybe we should address the root of the issue before it happens here.
David Uebersax
01:33:37
Tony, you're referring to Jerry's CRA freeze recently, not the 70's, right?
Robin Doyno
01:33:49
About Mar Vista…we currently have a very authoritarian leader who has gone so far as to not appoint community members to our committee’s leadership, only board members. Moving “Public Comment” to the end of the meeting, stopping, controlling the nature of discussion and other divisive methods to drive away public participation. It could be worth the time of observation. Robin Doyno
Cindy Cleghorn
01:34:53
Focus on what we can do. Our comments on new developments and being affordable. We need better working visible relationships with LADBS and LAHD. These departments ignore or push aside problems with properties. Planning needs to work and listen better to the recommendations NCs give for their communities.
Tony Wilkinson
01:35:14
Jerry Brown did not freeze the CRAs, he killed them. City got some scraps of the remaining funds. We need a city run CRA equivalent.
Glenn Bailey
01:35:42
It was during Governor Brown SECOND tenure as Governor 2011-2019
Liz Amsden
01:36:06
A public bank is a great idea but it CANNOT be controlled by the City Council, many of whose members are in the pockets of the developers and will make choices based on profit not social good.
Lauren (she /they) Echo Park
01:36:14
https://ugapress.org/book/9780820356235/public-los-angeles/
Glenn Bailey
01:40:12
Upcoming Code of Conduct Policy Workshops: Tuesday, October 19 at 6:30pm and Saturday, November 6 at 1pm (which is immediately after the LANCC meeting)
Terrence Gomes
01:40:49
The book is available at LAPL. There are two copies. I already reserved one.
Robin Doyno
01:41:46
What about a 99 year, one dollar ,leases from the city on public property for VERY (and free) affordable housing developers? Robin Doyno
David Uebersax
01:43:52
Yeah, I should have put 'freeze' in 'scare quites'
ajcrb
01:43:52
Thank Lauren for this comment!!!!
Lauren (she /they) Echo Park
01:43:56
Liz-- a public bank can be controlled by the City; it exists elsewhere (and would be great for working with the hugely profitable but Fedrally problematic, marijuana money.) Profits from a public bank (and the $$$$ saved by no longer relying on corporate banking costs) would aid Community Land Trusts (as a path to buying your home) and critical building in social housing!
Jennifer Goodie
01:43:58
Are we public servants or just volunteers? Because according to the code of conduct "workshop" we're just volunteers
ajcrb
01:44:22
Just do it!
ajcrb
01:44:46
Thank Lauren for the comment
Adriana De La Cruz
01:44:48
Lauren mentioned watching the recording of her workshop - if you would like to be alerted when it is posted please sign up on the website https://nccongressla.us1.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=43b7b6fc1838a6a8765dc0347&id=7159802ff3
Lauren (she /they) Echo Park
01:45:38
Be an ally: show your PRONOUNS and help create a safe space for all -- most especially our neighborhood-constituents.
Tony Wilkinson
01:46:30
Part of the process needs to be the power of Neighborhood Councils to address their own local issue through their own processes before they are escalated to DONE.
Tony Wilkinson
01:50:59
YES. We have the obligation to enforce our own safe work spaces. Instead of DONE acting first against individuals, better they say TO BOARD, °if you do not fix it we will°
Tony Wilkinson
01:53:50
The nee is not for A NEW RULE is to enforce existing rules. The reality is that first there were huge delays and second the decisions of the grievance panel were not implemented immediately.
Adriana De La Cruz
01:53:55
How to save todays chat: in the chat box you will see three dots to the right of the smiley face - selecting the three dots a pop up button will say “SAVE CHAT” upon pressing that - you will see a text above that saying “Show in Finder” - press that and it will show the text box of the chat - and you can save this to your device
Tony Wilkinson
01:55:51
To save the best effort machine transcript click Live Transcript and select View Full Transcript then click Save at the bottom of the transcript screen
DavidRockello(hey/you)RVNC
01:56:46
Yeah Miho! You tell it like it is in the HCNNC! Don Toy's shananigans have to come to the light! Other NC's don't understand what's really going on in China Town!
Tony Wilkinson
01:58:45
Hate to say it, David, but DONE was much too timid in not immediately stepping in to just say NO and fix the issues. Use threat of exhaustive efforts to enforce changes. No need for the time wasting grievance process. Personal opinion.
David Uebersax
01:59:18
Threats are not the best way of gaining consensus
Glenn Bailey
01:59:45
Here is the link to the proposed Code of Conduct Policy: https://empowerla.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/CODE-OF-CONDUCT-AMENDMENT-07162021.pdf
Tony Wilkinson
01:59:58
David, so people only understand raw power. The Plan for NCs gives DONE raw power.
Tony Wilkinson
02:00:06
some people
Liz Amsden
02:00:33
The Code of Conduct meeting I attended seemed to be a pitch piece for DONE's position rather than an opportunity to receive input. And the structuring seemed to be an attempt to achieve a certain result.
Nina Royal
02:00:42
I agree with Tony and the last speaker.
Lauren (she /they) Echo Park
02:00:54
I don't.
David Uebersax
02:00:55
(I was making a point about a previous speaker)
DavidRockello(hey/you)RVNC
02:01:17
Due process is very important but DONE & many others in City Government are intimidated by Don Toy for some reason...
Tony Wilkinson
02:01:18
The current discussion about NEW LAWS is relevant. I would rather trust Ms. Beltran to take direct action than to write rules that empower a future dictator.
Tony Wilkinson
02:01:57
Actually, she does have the direct power now.
Miho Murai
02:03:32
We also spent about a third of our budget to our administrative assistance, Terrence Gomes, from Bridge Gap because our Chair and EC delegated everything to him, including uploading our MERs and handling our invoices. The Board did not vote of most of these invoices but they were paid by proxy.
Miho Murai
02:04:00
***administrative assistant...
ajcrb (she/her)
02:04:11
I agree with Glenn
David Uebersax
02:05:22
Right...Ethics and Conduct have different streams
PHILIP ARMSTRONG
02:05:32
Rent burden in RVNC link again:
PHILIP ARMSTRONG
02:05:37
https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/philip.armstrong/viz/rvnc_rent_burden/Dashboard1?publish=yes
Tony Wilkinson
02:06:50
There are two areas of concern. One is interpersonal conflict. The other is outrageous violations of process as at Historic Cultural. Different issues. That is why I would have advocated for direct action by DONE at Historic Cultural.
Adriana De La Cruz
02:07:43
Feel free to use and share this link to request the NC Awareness and Engagement survey: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdTuLVWocqmvmQOjIzJ7LtlZ-rmbmEOSlPu01igB8wvfyAsiQ/viewform
Lauren (she /they) Echo Park
02:08:08
Change is here. Voluble Amateur lawyers notwithstanding, we and the City have a duty to ensure compliance from our members and FOR our neighbors. If you're not onboard with this then why are you here?
Adriana De La Cruz
02:09:00
RB: #3 anchors the duty with the board, which is what nCs have requested
DavidRockello(hey/you)RVNC
02:09:24
The City won't do anything till the actions of Don Toy are exposed at least DONE can't ignore this anymore! Keep up the excellent work in the HCNNC you are truly appreciated by many of your stakeholders for you bravery & persistence on this undemocratic process going on in HCNNC meetings!
Adriana De La Cruz
02:09:29
RB: #3. Neighborhood Council Board Members and Committee Members shall promote and, ifnecessary, enforce a safe and equitable environment. If other Board Members or CommitteeMembers become disruptive or violate the Code of Conduct or the City’s Workplace EquityPolicy, Neighborhood Council Board and Committee Members have agreed to abide by, BoardMembers and Committee Members should demand that the offending Board Member orCommittee Member conduct themselves in a respectful and orderly manner. In the absence of theboard taking action to do so, employees of the Department may intercede to do so.
Tony Wilkinson
02:09:33
Lauren, you and I have identical comments in the chat. The sa thing is we need to say °change is here° Self action for safe spaces should have been that standard all along.
Tony Wilkinson
02:09:41
sad thing
Adriana De La Cruz
02:09:51
theDepartment will return to the Commission and present the procedure the Department willfollow to implement the new Code of Conduct Policy.
Adriana De La Cruz
02:10:15
Once revisions to the Code of Conduct have been approved and the implementing proceduresdeveloped, the Department will hold workshops for Neighborhood Council Board andstakeholder Committee members to review expectations.
Tony Wilkinson
02:11:31
To the comments shared by Adriana, the challnge would be approving the CofC policy BEFORE we know what the implementation rules are. The devil is always in the details.
Adriana De La Cruz
02:12:04
The comments Tony were RB: meant for everyone
Tony Wilkinson
02:13:08
Understood. Thanks for reposting them
Raquel BELTRAN
02:13:17
Thank you everyone. It my husband’s birthday and need to finish his requested seafood paella.
Miho Murai
02:13:37
@Tony - I think that DONE and GM Beltran has done what they could in the parameters of the law to act and they have tried to speak with our EC about following the rules but our EC ignores them. They were not removed by DONE but they were not allowed to be on EC again. Personally, I wished DONE followed all of the recommendations of the grievance hearing panel
Tony Wilkinson
02:13:40
Happy Birthday to him!! Thanks for joining us.
David Uebersax
02:14:05
Thanks GM Beltran...Feliz!
Raquel BELTRAN
02:14:08
Thank you
Laura Meyers
02:15:43
Are you able to alert NC presidents if/when their appointed Budget reps have dropped out?
Miho Murai
02:15:45
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/complaints-of-neglect-at-chinatown-apartment-complex-prompt-la-city-attorneys-office-investigation/2689325/
Miho Murai
02:16:57
Don was our Chair and I believe of our Chinatown seniors who are on the HCNNC board are tenants there. They did not attend the last board meeting.
Adriana De La Cruz
02:17:16
https://www.budgetadvocates.org
Glenn Bailey
02:17:30
Website: www.BudgetAdvocates.org
Adriana De La Cruz
02:18:05
https://www.budgetadvocates.org
Robin Doyno
02:19:55
Oh yea…Our Mar Vista meetings Zooms are controlled by the authoritarian chair…see for yourself. Robin Doyno
DavidRockello(hey/you)RVNC
02:21:03
Thanks for sharing that article Miho!How about a big thanks to President Philip Armstrong from the RVNC for his very good informative presentation!!! You all are the best that NC's have & I'm seeing a lot of growth in LANCC all though out the Pandemic!
David Uebersax
02:21:55
Vanessa is the best!
Kay Hartman
02:22:50
neighborhoodcongress.la
DavidRockello(hey/you)RVNC
02:23:39
Freddy & Collette were outstanding at the NC Congress!
Adriana De La Cruz
02:24:25
SAVE THE DATE - Saturday - Sept 24, 2022 ☺️
Lauren (she /they) Echo Park
02:25:49
Congress interaction with other NC members? Priceless. Echo Park was a proud sponsor again this year.
Adriana De La Cruz
02:26:27
thank you Lauren and Echo Park - in fact all NC’s and those that presented at well
DavidRockello(hey/you)RVNC
02:29:47
Adriana & Glenn best pitch I've ever heard!
Adriana De La Cruz
02:30:05
https://www.neighborhoodcongress.la
Miho Murai
02:30:26
Thank you all for your hard work on the Congress!! Hope we can do it in person next year!
Lauren (she /they) Echo Park
02:31:18
Sorry to hear you felt marginalized and excluded, @Sid Gold.❤️
Adriana De La Cruz
02:31:50
You can also email me if you’d like to be included: Adriana.DeLaCruz@DelReyNC.Org
Adriana De La Cruz
02:32:05
Adriana.DeLaCruz@DelReyNC.Org
David Uebersax
02:32:05
Some of the session were Meetings
DavidRockello(hey/you)RVNC
02:35:16
More people is better... cap the in person at 1,000 because of logistics & food costs & possibly the same amount of people on line world wide! Miho is bringing up very important points about inclusion & language justice!
Lauren (she /they) Echo Park
02:37:13
+1000 % Tony! Language equity, including ASL!
DavidRockello(hey/you)RVNC
02:37:46
Right on Tony! Just another good reason to give to next year's Congress!
Adriana De La Cruz
02:39:08
Thanks for the comments - MIho
Leonard Shaffer
02:39:30
Link to Media Policy 7-1-21 update https://empowerla.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Draft-Digital-Media-Policy-for-BONC-on-7.1.2021.pdf
Glenn Bailey
02:41:43
In response to earlier question from @Laura, the two Budget Representatives appointed by each NC serve at the pleasure of that NC. If they drop out, it is more likely the NC will hear from them directly. But if we do we can certainly notify the NC. Thanks.
Glenn Bailey
02:44:15
Exactly Commissioner Shaffer! The actual Grievance Ordinance in its final form did not include robust participation by NC Board members.....
DavidRockello(hey/you)RVNC
02:52:05
We are a long way away from 2006 here & Don Toy is still working the system & won't stop till he's more forcefully guided to do the right thing by the Department! I've been on & witnessed many Grievance Committees & this issue at HCNNC has still not been properly dealt with!
Cindy Cleghorn
02:56:54
Grievances should go first to the NC. Many are just because people don’t like each other. DONE needs faster, better, quicker on boarding. Networking is a high priority and face to face meetings need to resume. A lot of complaints are rumors and not hard facts. In other words “people make stuff up” with an effort to hurt good people.
Miho Murai
03:00:38
I would like to add for next meeting to create Ad Hoc Committee re: Grievance Policy
David Uebersax
03:00:53
Yeah...2021 Commission was run by an old GGPNC BM, and came to us
DavidRockello(hey/you)RVNC
03:01:03
I agree with Cindy here about putting the Grievance hearings at the beginning of NC meetings. Mostly because you're largest audience will be going to the meetings at the beginning. As long as it's done quickly & not repeating.