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Glenn Bailey
15:25
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Glenn Bailey
16:58
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Glenn Bailey
18:58
Use the Raised Hand feature at bottom of the Participants list
Bob Gelfand
32:38
Content: they fixed the leak. Time spent: 25 minutes
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
33:36
Good morning everyone!
Tony Wilkinson
36:20
For Bob, Content: the truth about what is at issue and the big picture about LA100, all in-basin power plants, and reliability / blackout prevention. Time spent: 25 minutes
Bob Gelfand
41:08
Tony and others: I didn’t hear real content that justified that expenditure of my time. We all understand the need to replace coal, methane, and petroleum fueled power plants and the need for longer term storage. I didn’t hear any details, only the repetition of these points, which we have known for 30 years at this point. I asked a specific question about a new technology that is on the market, and the speaker hand waved since either he didn’t know the answer or just didn’t want to answer.
Kay Hartman
41:47
I don't think this belongs in a digital media policy. We have Brown Act training and this should be added to that. Why create new policies when we have existing means of communicating the needed knowledge.
Cord Thomas, NCWP
42:02
I don’t understand the foundation of these social and digital media policies. social media has been around as long as the NC system. Friendster was founded in 2002. NCs have a hard enough time engaging the public. pendulum is swinging in the wrong direction.
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
42:24
That would be pretty much everything. So am I supposed to not say anything at all on social media?
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
43:06
Just about everything could be considered within our purview…
Bob Gelfand
43:38
I think the point is that it is possible to violate the Brown Act on FaceBook just as it is possible to violate it in conversation at the corner store. It’s what the English call a little bit of nothing.
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
44:49
This has always been the real problem with Social media all along this journey of NC's... get into the policy's design meetings so you can have input...
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
48:42
We are all stuck at home now so it's an issue with juice!
valcontreras@att.net contreras
49:26
They don’t want us to engage our stakeholders
Bob Gelfand
49:32
You can talk to non-board members about anything at any time. You are not allowed to hold a meeting of board members, either serial or together, about what could come up on a board agenda
valcontreras@att.net contreras
51:42
it’s open to everyone
Cord Thomas, NCWP
51:47
not everyone can make it to a physical meeting. it’s a spurious argument to say that access to the internet is not ubiquitous.
Laura Meyers
52:37
Bob, there is a combination of potential Brown Act violation/serial meetings; but also a problem that "conversations" help Board members come to a conclusion in advance of their Brown Act-compliant public meetings deliberations. So having comments allowed in Facebook and other platforms in and of itself could lead to Board members deciding their position in advance, based on those comments, even if no other Board members commented. They may well have all been lurking and reading.
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
52:42
Thank you for explaining that to us...
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
52:56
social media is one way NCs communicate with some of their constituents just like EVERY City agency. And I have yet to see DONE, etc. sanction anyone for violating the Brown Act, btw.
valcontreras@att.net contreras
53:06
yes and we love it! That is why I participate. It is open to everyone not just NCs
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
54:15
anybody have a AB or SB number for this revision? Much obliged!
Gina Wilmington NC
55:22
AB992
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
55:52
I am running for City Council and as part of my campaigning I have to weigh in on a whole host of issues that face the city…
valcontreras@att.net contreras
56:04
We are board members but we are individual US citizens first!
Bob Gelfand
56:09
To Laura Meyers and others: There may be lots of reasons that my fellow board members decide — in advance — how they think about some issue, and that is different from some of us meeting and deciding in advance how we will vote on some agenda item.
Laura Meyers
56:09
More info, if you want to google: Assembly Bill No. 992CHAPTER 89An act to amend, repeal, and add Section 54952.2 of the Government Code, relating to local government.[Approved by Governor September 18, 2020. Filed with Secretary of State September 18, 2020.]legislative counsel’s digestAB 992, Mullin. Open meetings: local agencies: social media.The Ralph M. Brown Act generally requires that the meetings
Cord Thomas, NCWP
56:24
couldn’t have said it better Tony.
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
56:30
We need more clarification on this issue so NC's are not curtailed from doing outreach!
valcontreras@att.net contreras
56:46
Thank you for that
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
59:00
100% Lou!
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
01:00:07
It is very difficult to constantly give disclaimers for all our free speech! This issue has always been waiting for us to deal with it but now because of COVID it is exposed.
Cheri Derohanian
01:00:15
Thanks for your thoughts, Lou!
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
01:01:12
If we aren't held to the Brown Act then why are we always talking about it?
valcontreras@att.net contreras
01:02:10
When covid broke out DONE didn’t follow the Governor’s approval for brown act meeting could meet via webinar. We had to fight DONE until they approved it in May.
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
01:03:17
Block all your fellow NC members from your social media accounts. Done and dusted (pun intended).
Tony Wilkinson
01:03:22
We ARE help to the Brown Act. The question is what that means. I believe it is for matters actually pending, rather than for anything that could ever come before the NC. It should be obvious that the second position will destroy the function on Neighborhood Councils. Public policy would argue against that.
Cindy Cleghorn
01:03:37
Some NCs have proven to vote a block in advance of coming before the meeting ignoring their stakeholders voice.
Cord Thomas, NCWP
01:03:46
and it’s much more apparent that people would be meeting in social media vs the golf course.
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
01:04:24
As long as it doesn't become a "serial meeting" you have the right of free speech...
Cindy Cleghorn
01:04:45
Like using this chat, chat on social media is different than in a face to face meeting. Its very different.
Bob Gelfand
01:05:41
Tony: No, the Brown Act applies to topics that might come before the board, because holding your serial meeting before the item is officially agendized would be an easy subterfuge.
Bob Gelfand
01:07:13
Re: a unified start date for board membership: there is a serious question regarding the power of the BONC and DONE to change our bylaws by fiat.
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
01:07:32
Would this mass swearing in be for newly elected only or would it include re-elected members, too?
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
01:08:06
That is the worst idea ever & we have to stand against this "Lame Duck" shananagens session that can be credited with this new way to seat the board's of NC's.
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
01:08:28
All these changes including this one is death by a thousand cuts of our independence. The city is trying their best to neuter us…
Cheri Derohanian PRNC
01:09:53
I agree, and see no reason that the Boards of all NC should be sworn in at the same date....each NC has to take care of their own communities, so why would we have months of "lame duck" board members...
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
01:10:07
that’s what our bylaws say…
Bob Gelfand
01:10:20
Rachael Rose Luckey is spot on. We’ve been watching this process for half. Decade now.
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
01:10:28
The rationale for this is to get folks trained in advance of being seated as I understand it.
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
01:10:51
The new board has to take over ASAP after the NC's Election or the old boards can spend all the NC's 💰 look at the National Elections💰 very bad!!!
Cindy Cleghorn
01:11:04
How about taking a survey of NCs to see what they say? I haven’t heard any movement on this from DONE.
Cheri Derohanian PRNC
01:11:16
In Porter Ranch, the candidates who were so sure they were going to win went and got treasurer training and ethics training BEFORE the elections!!
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
01:11:19
They will use all rationales to put their boots on our necks…
Cindy Cleghorn
01:11:31
Yes, I do think the Bylaws of the NCs need to be adhered to.
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
01:12:23
that is the point…it should be OUR choice!
Cindy Cleghorn
01:12:23
Maybe its to save $$ for some other purposes unknown or yet to be discovered.
Cheri Derohanian PRNC
01:13:21
Agree, that Doug is CORRECT!!!
Kay Hartman
01:13:30
I agree with what people are saying. I am reluctant to refer to our bylaws because they have become meaningless. When we did our last bylaws update, our changes were all removed with change tracking. So what's the point?
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
01:13:36
#ResistBeltran
Cheri Derohanian PRNC
01:14:19
Can LAANC put forth a motion to oppose this!?!?
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
01:15:03
For my information, how many NCs are represented on this Alliance?
Jennifer Goodie (MINC)
01:15:12
Why do we even having individual bylaws a this rate
Jennifer Goodie (MINC)
01:15:26
*bother
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
01:16:04
Key: What Doug said…we need to take back our bylaws. At the same time, the CC can create an ordinance that overrides them. Again, the city is actively trying to neuter us…
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
01:16:10
oops Kay:
Kay Hartman
01:17:10
Rachel: I think we have a better chance of lobbying the city council than we have lobbying the Department.
David Uebersax
01:17:22
Lauren, all NC's are welcome...some are more actively engaged than others....
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
01:17:28
Can we get anyone who helped write the charter that brought the NC system into being present to us about their intentions? I know Sonnenshein(sp) has always said that the NCs should stay "scrappy" (his word).
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
01:17:39
He froze
valcontreras@att.net contreras
01:18:43
white flags!!!
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
01:19:00
Regional roll out really hurt us with outreach, especially to young people because SCHOOLS WERE NOT IN SESSION! so maddening.
valcontreras@att.net contreras
01:19:05
Unite
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
01:19:28
Can't unite unless we expand our membership.
Glenn Bailey
01:20:04
Ethics training every two years is a STATE law per AB 1234
valcontreras@att.net contreras
01:20:09
👍
David Uebersax
01:20:16
Catch 2021...The more we unite, the more membership!
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
01:20:21
Yes…agree…vote no confidence…
Bob Gelfand
01:20:25
To Lauren (Echo Park) and others: Raphe is one, and Jerry Gaines is another. I think Raphe has written at length about the twin Charter commissions, and the memberships are matters of public record.
Bob Gelfand
01:21:46
We don’t do a swearing in anyway. There is no requirement for that. The question is when the board term begins.
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
01:22:10
We would have April, May and June…3 months…
Lydia Grant
01:22:23
Asking for a Motion for the next agenda for a vote of no confidence for Ms. Beltran.
Tony Wilkinson
01:22:40
Good point by Laura. July 1 would create TWO, UNEQUAL treatments for NCs, early versus late elections. Inherently unfair.
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
01:22:43
Let's get a presentation / town hall on this as a tool to expand NC participation in LANCC to remind us all of the original intentions and purpose of NCs (though we are an evolving body...)
paul
01:22:46
Secoded
paul
01:22:59
Seconded
Cheri Derohanian PRNC
01:23:01
Gracie Liu would have never pulled any of this!!
valcontreras@att.net contreras
01:23:06
second that too
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
01:23:23
Because I am running city council, if this gets enacted, I will have to resign right after the elections. I cannot wait until July to be freed up to work 100% on my campaign…
Bob Gelfand
01:24:03
To Len: I don’t think that going to BONC is terribly useful, as it has taken a very authoritarian tack.
Tony Wilkinson
01:25:17
Clerk can't GIVE OWN POWER to another department. "Unless DONE makes a rule" does not give DONE that power.
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
01:25:23
For my part, I don't understand why swearing in ceremonies aren't regionally rolled out like the elections.
Cheri Derohanian PRNC
01:26:08
Great point, Lauren. What you said makes much more sense!
Len Shaffer
01:26:10
7. POST-ELECTION PROCEDURES7.1Seating Newly Elected Board MembersNewly-elected NC board members will be seated in accordance with their NC Bylaws orEmpowerLA procedures after the City Clerk has issued certified election results and allelection challenges have been resolved. The incumbent board members will continue intheir duly elected/appointed positions until the newly elected board members areseated.The newly-elected board must be seated as a single unit. If one or more challenges to asingle board seat have not been resolved, the rest of the board cannot be seated. Anyboard member seat(s) that is/are not filled through the election process will be deemedvacant when the new governing board takes office. Vacant seat(s) will be filledaccording to the NC Bylaws. If less than a quorum of the board seats are filled, then theNC will fall under the Board of Neighborhood Commissioners’ Loss of Quorum policy
Cindy Cleghorn
01:26:13
Yes, agree w/ Laura.
Bob Gelfand
01:26:33
Repeat: There is absolutely no need to begin your board membership with a ritual or swearing in ceremony. You are a board member when you are elected and your board membership officially begins by your bylaws.
Cheri Derohanian PRNC
01:26:51
Good point, Bob
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
01:27:07
Do we need a new 912 Commission to deal with all these details & possible new processes & procedures?
Tony Wilkinson
01:27:22
Laura, they ARE (or should be). When I was an independent Election Administrator, I seated every new board (ceremonially) at first meeting after certification.
valcontreras@att.net contreras
01:27:46
Nonprofits are doing the work of NCs in LA with no regulations, brown act, training and without being an elected official.
Glenn Bailey
01:28:14
Defer consideration of proposal for uniform seating of Board members until prior to 2023 Elections.....
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
01:28:22
Swearing in ceremonies not be meaningful to us old and older hands but I think it would be very IMPORTANT to newly elected members. Just acknowledge that we are mostly looking through one lens here.
Cindy Cleghorn
01:28:23
Yes, Bob is correct. Its in our Bylaws just like Bob points out. It would be great for the outgoing to respect the incoming board but that doesn’t always happen. There’s always a few weeks between election results to certification. There’s Cornerstone now so training can start.
Bob Gelfand
01:28:33
To David: I think that Lancc is the 912 commission, except that it doesn’t cost five hundred thousand dollars and has people who are less narcissistic.
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
01:29:03
Can we put the motion of the language in the chat before we call the question?
Jennifer Goodie (MINC)
01:29:54
As a newer board member that was sworn in via "ceremony" I thought it was lame and the certificate from the city was a waste of paper
Bob Gelfand
01:29:57
I don’t mind the idea that new board members may enjoy the ritual. I do generally object to some of the wording I have heard in such swearing in rituals.
Cheri Derohanian PRNC
01:30:55
Motion to make formal opposition with City Clerk's decision/procedure for all 99 Neighborhood Councils to be sworn in on 7/1/2021.
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
01:31:15
They don't have standing & changing the rules mid stream is not right... turn down the rudeness temperature here so we can all have a discussion.
Cheri Derohanian PRNC
01:32:25
Motion to make formal opposition with City Clerk's decision for all 99 Neighborhood Councils must be sworn in 7/1/2021
Laura Meyers
01:32:54
"City Clerk" or "DONE"?
Cindy Cleghorn
01:33:12
Can make be changed to take ?
Cindy Cleghorn
01:33:22
Can DONE be added ?
Conrad Starr
01:33:39
not all 99 have elections
Conrad Starr
01:34:08
mpnc, westwood ?, and at least one other do not.
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
01:34:27
If you want to change motion, make an amending motion…
Cheri Derohanian PRNC
01:34:38
Motion to make formal opposition to DONE or the City Clerk decision for all 999 Neighborhood Councils be sworn in 7/1/2021.
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
01:34:38
Rockello will not be voting because all 3 NC's that are part of my Outreach Project are here today!👍
Glenn Bailey
01:34:53
Good point Conrad. Several NCs have SELECTIONS
Tony Wilkinson
01:38:25
Two amendments adopted without objection
Bob Gelfand
01:38:28
Lance opposes, and calls on its member neighborhood councils to oppose,
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
01:39:23
LANCC not Lance
valcontreras@att.net contreras
01:40:56
Alliance
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
01:42:01
Can we add the amendments in the shared screen to the chat please? I'd like to share the evolution of the text with my Board. thanks
Bob Gelfand
01:42:36
Thanks for the correction. I typed in Lancc and autocorrect apparently changed it to the only English language word it knows.
Jack Humphreville
01:42:40
What a waste of time
David Uebersax
01:43:40
LANCC opposes, and calls on its member neighborhood councils to oppose, Motion to make formal opposition to DONE or the City Clerk decision for all 99 Neighborhood Councils be sworn in 7/1/2021.Amendment by TonyAmendment by Bob, Terrence 2nd
Tony Wilkinson
01:45:35
So we are making an amendment that causes the motion to make no sense. OK, Typical LANCC.
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
01:45:41
I have them
Lydia Grant
01:46:06
STNC votes yes
Kay Hartman
01:46:07
I don't have the icons. I vote yes.
Conrad Starr
01:46:09
Jack Humphreville will cast GWNC vote.
Lydia Grant
01:46:35
No raised hand feature no ability to vote
Lydia Grant
01:46:44
STNC votes yes
Serj Danielian (SVANC)
01:46:49
Click on REACTIONS - check mark
Laura Meyers
01:47:41
Laura/UNNC -- I agree that the motion doesn't quite make sense as showing, I voted yes presuming we are voting that LANCC opposes any effort by DONE or the Clerk to swear in new boards all on 7/1?
Miho Murai, HCNNC
01:47:47
miho is abstaining
Cord Thomas, NCWP
01:47:59
vote yes. it’s disappearing from my iPhone app
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
01:48:02
We are approving jus the yellow right now
Miho Murai, HCNNC
01:48:04
how do u abstain?
Lynda Valencia ASNC
01:48:11
yes
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
01:48:24
Moving on
Lydia Grant
01:48:30
Thank you to those watching the chat!
Miho Murai, HCNNC
01:48:53
just see a yes and no but no ability to abstain
Terrence Gomes
01:49:15
coffee cup
Miho Murai, HCNNC
01:49:28
Miho is abstaining because we don't have elections this year
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
01:50:04
Can Tony type in what he wants please?
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
01:50:58
or not
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
01:51:13
There's no coffee ☕ cup today on this so called updated version of Zoom... please vote yes or no for your stakeholders!
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
01:52:02
There is a coffee cup showing for come of us, fyi.
Jennifer Goodie (MINC)
01:53:25
this is tedious
Paul Darrigo
01:54:13
QUESTION: are we discussing item 7 of the agenda today?
Miho Murai, HCNNC
01:54:23
abstain by miho hcnnc
Conrad Starr
01:54:51
As long as Jack H is present and voting, Conrad is not voting.
Kay Hartman
01:56:53
There should be a comma after oppose
Miho Murai, HCNNC
01:57:19
miho hcnnc abstaining
Cord Thomas, NCWP
01:57:33
yes
Cheri Derohanian PRNC
01:58:05
Thanks everyone for your input.
Lydia Grant
01:58:21
lydia voted yes
Lydia Grant
01:58:32
STNC
Lydia Grant
01:58:54
Thank you Rachel
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
01:59:29
Lauren please vote!
Bob Gelfand
02:00:32
Jack: We used to word smith most of the proposals before the meeting, as you will recall.
Lydia Grant
02:00:34
Lydia wants to speak on it
William Keith
02:01:56
Please type the final motion into chat. Thank you.
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:02:40
phyllis ling wants to speak but she cannot raise hand
Jennifer Goodie (MINC)
02:02:48
Everything Lydia is sayin sounds like DONE's MO
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:04:03
who seconded it?
William
02:04:04
@David Uebersax Please type the final motion into chat. Thank you.
Lydia Grant
02:05:03
Motion to Freeze the Grievance process
Tony Wilkinson
02:05:27
Miho has a point. I may vote differently from my second.
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
02:05:29
100% Miho
Lydia Grant
02:06:22
Motion to freeze the Grievance Process until it can be reviewed by BONC with input from the Neighborhood Councils
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
02:06:32
I can't vote on this but have to agree with Miho here...
Bob Gelfand
02:06:41
The fact that DONE isn’t doing its job puts any such action in doubt, but the proper remedy is a different question.
Terrence Gomes
02:07:05
4. Discussion and possible action for the Los Angeles Neighborhood Council Coalition (XXXXXX Neighborhood Council) to request that BONC have the DONE postpone the Grievance Process and the BONC review the procedures. It is troubling that the GM of the DONE stated at the recent BONC Commission Meeting that the Grievance Policy is a work in progress. There needs to be a review of how grievances are reviewed for certification, the ability for the DONE to certify grievances timely, the procedure for Neighborhood Councils to have documents translated in a timely manner for Boards with monolingual Boardmembers and for Neighborhood Councils to be able to upload documents to support their position. We also request that the BONC add to the policy that grievances not be able to be filed 60 days before an election.
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
02:07:08
Please give Miho her time!
Cord Thomas, NCWP
02:07:18
was that me. apologies. I have muted the whole time.
William Keith
02:07:37
I’m asking for the final motion on item 3 on the agenda.
Cheri Derohanian PRNC
02:07:57
Miho has some good points. Yes the greviance process needs an overhaul, but maybe not freeze this
Tony Wilkinson
02:08:04
How about: asks the Department to act immediately to certify or reject all current grievances, and to cease accepting new grievances until the rules of the system are clarified afer consultation with Neighborhood Councils.
Bob Gelfand
02:08:22
The grievance policy has been debated off an on for more than 15 years, and was finally adopted fairly recently. If there is a need to reopen this question then it should be with enough time. What I see here is failure by DONE.
Jack Humphreville
02:08:30
It is noon and we have a long way to go.
Lydia Grant
02:08:32
One of the accusations were are accused of violating
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:09:14
can this chat be saved and sent tk us?
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:09:25
***to us?
Tony Wilkinson
02:09:39
My suggested variant does not try to re-do the 15 year grievance process. Rather is seeks to deal with the issue that DONE appears not to be adhering to the rules originally intended.
Lydia Grant
02:09:56
someones' right to free Assembly and claims it is a violation of the Censure Policy
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:10:29
I agree with the last speaker
Tony Wilkinson
02:10:36
The public ALWAYS has an opportunity to file a grievance against a Neighborhood Council. The NC must act on it or be sanctioned by DONE.
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
02:11:10
Sounds like a new 912 commission needs to convene because of multiple issues that DONE & BONC are not dealing with in a timely manner.
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
02:11:40
One person's frivolous grievance is another person's important issue. That's why there is a grievance PROCESS.
David Uebersax
02:11:51
Miho...I believe we try to get the 'Everyone' Chat posted to the website, along with a link to the meeting recording, but Glenn can conirm
David Uebersax
02:12:23
Miho, also...if your agreement is to effect an amendment, can either you or Lauren post it into the Chat?
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:13:51
can miho speak about
Glenn Bailey
02:14:07
We have been posting a link to the monthly video recordings on the LANCC website. We can add today's Chat too.
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
02:14:09
I propose a motion to amend that motion on the floor to not freeze but to "call on DONE to enforce the grievance procedure within its specified timeline or face public sanctions by BONC"
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:14:26
the motion that people are referring to about me
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
02:14:50
Does the language reflect your intent, Miho?
Lydia Grant
02:15:38
Motion for BONC to hold the DONE accountable for their failure to follow their own rules and its' failure to adhere and make others adhere to the rules of the Grievance Process
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
02:16:03
Democracy is working here, just stay civil & we can get a vote out today!
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
02:16:22
Lydia -- are you proposing an amendment to your motion?
Lydia Grant
02:16:48
replacing the motion or new motion
Bob Gelfand
02:17:54
BONC can complain about DONE’s failure, but what good is this? BONC can’t force DONE to do its job — all it can do is make public its concerns.
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
02:18:08
Lydia -- can you rewrite your amendment to include timelines and public sanctions by BONC?
Bob Gelfand
02:18:22
I don’t think we should be trying specific grievance cases here today.
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
02:18:56
Phyllis is correct here about what has been going on in HCNNC
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:19:06
I propose a motion to amend that motion on the floor to not freeze but to "call on DONE to enforce the grievance procedure within its specified timeline or face public sanctions by BONC and also have NCs act on them pursuant to the grievance policy or be sanctioned by DONE.
Lydia Grant
02:20:21
When BONC addresses this issue publically
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:20:25
i made amendment to Lauren
Lydia Grant
02:20:46
They will be forced by their own exposure to fix it.
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
02:21:06
How about asking for a new 912 Commission to work all this & other pressing issues out that have come up since COVID...
Glenn Bailey
02:22:49
TIME CHECK: 12:15 p.m. we have 45 minutes remaining
Gina Wilmington NC
02:24:47
he is following Roberts rules
Kay Hartman
02:25:07
Can BONC even hold DONE accountable or sanction DONE?
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
02:25:26
BONC needs to address this & DONE should be deferring to BONC's athority! Please give Miho respect & listen to what she is saying!!!
ajcrb
02:25:53
Could someone please answer if the Election Handbook have been updated since 11/12/20.
Gina Wilmington NC
02:27:02
please lower my hand
ajcrb
02:27:35
How soon will the motion for item 3 be available to share; we have a GB meeting on Wednesday and would like to add it to our agenda
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
02:28:02
Please give the speakers their time & wait to be recognized by the Chair properly!
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:28:28
I do not agree with freezing any grievances
Lydia Grant
02:28:47
Do you know that DONE does not read what is submitted per Raquel at the BONC Meeting.
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
02:29:14
Respectfully Tony, I think these should be two SEPARATE MOTIONs AS I KNOW MY NC WOULD WANT TO WEIGH IN.
Lydia Grant
02:29:50
They only check to see if the Grievant has the Name and contact information and what policy it violates.
Lydia Grant
02:30:03
They refuse to do any further review
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
02:30:08
That is why a new 912 Commission should be convened as soon as possible.
Glenn Bailey
02:30:13
Use Raise Hand feature to be recognized and PLEASE DO NOT INTERRUPT PERSON WHO IS SPEAKING.
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:32:47
there are about 30 grievances. raquel said prior to this year, there had only be a handful
Glenn Bailey
02:33:25
In response to an earlier question, the current version of the 2021 NC Election Handbook is November 12, 2020. It is posted on the City Clerk's NC Elections website
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:33:33
@David R, please email me later re 912 commission
Gina Wilmington NC
02:33:39
ty Glenn
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
02:34:22
The greices that have already been filled have to be addressed especially for the sake of an NC that doesn't have an Election to remedy the situation!
Lydia Grant
02:34:42
The Website does not even allow the Board to submit Documentation to defend itself.
Gina Wilmington NC
02:35:24
You are correct Lydia
Cheri Derohanian
02:35:32
WHEN IS THE NEXT BONC MEETING???
Tony Wilkinson
02:35:40
The current motion calls for "sanctions" which are outside the law according to Len.
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:35:47
hcnnc miho and phyllis have spoke at bonc mtgs
Gina Wilmington NC
02:36:03
it does not allow an NC to defend itself or even to submit documentation
Lydia Grant
02:36:14
I have spoken at BONC also. it falls on deaf ears.
Tony Wilkinson
02:36:20
I will vote *NO* because of the current motion's demand for "sanctions" between city agencies, which will never fly.
David Uebersax
02:37:37
call on DONE to enforce the grievance procedure within its specified timeline or face public sanctions by BONC and also have NCs act on them pursuant to the grievance policy or be sanctioned by DONE
Lydia Grant
02:38:18
Tony, having the Public discussion will cause DONE to be so embarrassed, they will make it a priority to fix it
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:38:37
miho is voting yes
Paul Darrigo
02:38:40
Sorry I have to leave. I wanted to discuss Item 7 which I object to condemning White people, by shaming white people by saying other ethnicities have more rights . My response i stop long t type here and would appreciate the opportunity to articulate another tim
William Keith
02:38:44
Coffee Cup
Tony Wilkinson
02:38:50
AGREE, that's why I changed positions from my second of motion #1.
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
02:38:57
BONC should be litigating these issues with the three member panel final decision makers Greavence "Judges" that shouldn't be undermined by the GM of DONE!
Paul Darrigo
02:39:12
My response is too long type here… articulate another time
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:39:39
sorry i am super confused...voting yes
Lydia Grant
02:39:46
Glen your vote is gone
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:40:04
the yes and no button are malfunctioning on my phone. sorry
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
02:40:51
I move to amend the motion as amended by adding at the end “; and for DONE to provide the respective NC Board of the full submission by the grievant upon their receipt of a grievance effective immediately.”
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:40:55
can u list which nc voted how
Lydia Grant
02:42:20
I will second Rachels' amendment
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:42:21
can u please list which NCs are voting and what their voting is?
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:43:47
i keep getting booted. can u plz include on chat again?
William Keith
02:43:49
Coffee cup
David Uebersax
02:45:32
Motion to call on DONE to enforce the grievance procedure within its specified timeline or face public sanctions by BONC and also have NCs act on them pursuant to the grievance policy or be sanctioned by DONE until it can be reviewed by BONC with input from the Neighborhood Councils; and for DONE to provide the respective NC Board of the full submission by the grievant upon their receipt of a grievance effective immediately.
Kay Hartman
02:45:33
Should Grievance process in green be struck through?
William Keith
02:46:11
Coffee cup
Lydia Grant
02:46:40
When items are shown on the screen
Lydia Grant
02:46:44
I voted Yes
Lydia Grant
02:47:07
I vote yes on the whole motion
Cord Thomas, NCWP
02:48:32
yes
Lydia Grant
02:49:40
I second the Motion
Lydia Grant
02:51:21
Laurens disappeared also
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
02:51:46
i can see my vote
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
02:52:59
Is Miho still here? I will vote as I the Alternate if Phyllis isn't interested in voting
David Uebersax
02:54:00
Miho rejoined
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
02:54:47
I will defer to Phyllis if she wants to vote...
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
02:55:11
OK Miho is back...
Gina Wilmington NC
02:55:23
my phone is dying.. my apologies for leaving early
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:55:47
my internet keeps booting me off zoom
Kay Hartman
02:55:47
The correct council file number is 21-0102. I just looked it up.
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:55:52
phyllis will vote for miho for hcnnc
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
02:58:22
Nor links for Chinese, Tagalog, Korean, the Blind
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
02:59:20
I have an ask before we adjourn, please.
David Uebersax
02:59:38
Thanks Lauren...
Glenn Bailey
03:00:20
Could Lydia Grant's NC election related comments be placed under that agenda item (#3)? Thanks.
Jennifer Goodie (MINC)
03:01:00
Is the DONE site broken for everyone?
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
03:01:22
DONE is broken for everyone!
Cheri Derohanian
03:01:26
Can you tell us how to GET TO THE CONGRESS meeting today, maybe put it in the chat!
Tony Wilkinson
03:02:16
Panorama City had WRONG qualification to file or vote for "Unlimited At Large" seats (ONLY Comm Int, vs Live-Work-Own plus CI). Result was we got ZERO candidates. All 7 filed for 2 regular At Large seats.
Kay Hartman
03:02:50
Congress meeting link:
Kay Hartman
03:02:57
Meeting Link:​​https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89939986814Meeting ID: ​899 3998 6814
Kay Hartman
03:03:19
Meeting Link:​​https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89939986814
Kay Hartman
03:03:28
Meeting ID: ​899 3998 6814
David Uebersax
03:03:30
Also...anybody have the calendar and link to BONC meetings
Tony Wilkinson
03:04:10
Link for 1:30 pm Congress of Neighborhoods meeting:
Tony Wilkinson
03:04:14
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89939986814
Glenn Bailey
03:04:38
www.empowerla.org/commission
David Uebersax
03:04:49
Thanks Glenn
Jennifer Goodie (MINC)
03:05:07
The calendar is why I was tryin to look at the DONE website, but the site appears to be broken
Miho Murai, HCNNC
03:05:14
Thank you for supporting our motion and helping to hold DONE and NCs accountable to the greviance policy, which I know is currently flawed and needs to be revised and consistently applied to all NCs. I am having internet connection problem and keep getting bounced off zoom. Phyllis will be my proxy for any votes.
Jennifer Goodie (MINC)
03:05:56
It is possible they didn't pay their hosting bill since DONE seems to be really bad at apying bills
Miho Murai, HCNNC
03:06:28
but you need to be courteous and respectful to all
Miho Murai, HCNNC
03:06:37
@bob gelfand
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
03:06:50
Phyllis & Miho so glad you are here to be heard & get your experience recognized by this body... sorry for the rude behavior people should be addressing things to the Chair & not doing this rant... please Bob respect all others first!
Glenn Bailey
03:06:59
Hmm....EmpowerLA website appears to be not functioning now. Screen indicates: Account SuspendedThis Account has been suspended.Contact your hosting provider for more information.
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
03:07:58
DONE didn’t pay its bill?! roflmao
Bob Gelfand
03:08:56
I have the right to assert my own rights and to defend the rights of all others, and doing so is not to disrespect anyone else. The only sexist remark was made by someone else.
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
03:09:00
I’m with Jack…I’m #donewithDONE
Miho Murai, HCNNC
03:09:47
also i would appreciate if the votes for all motions are accessible in writing in the minutes
Cheri Derohanian
03:10:04
Good meeting, thanks everyone for your input on tough issues!
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
03:10:09
Delaying payments was covered in the Times as a solution.
David Uebersax
03:10:47
Miho, we don't have a Secretary per so, but try to distribute the detailed notes as I've captured.
Lydia Grant
03:10:56
Maybe that's what happened to the DONE Website
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
03:11:22
If they sweep NC accounts then they need to also provide for us to be able to raise funds…
Glenn Bailey
03:12:06
Regions 1, 4, 7, 9 and 12 have a vacancy for Budget Advocates
Glenn Bailey
03:12:31
One vacancy in each Region
Miho Murai, HCNNC
03:12:40
can u please put in writing not on this chat the results of lauren and i's motion as i keep getting booted off zoom and so the chat keeps getting refreshed
Tony Wilkinson
03:12:46
Lesson for next round of Budget Advocates: each NCs 2 budget reps should plan on continuing to stay active, rather than quitting if are not elected to "advocates" role.
Miho Murai, HCNNC
03:13:24
thank you lauren.
Tony Wilkinson
03:13:54
That is why I typed in my attempt to incorporate Miho's points into the chat.
David Uebersax
03:13:58
Per Request, pasting final language for Item 3: LANCC opposes, and calls on its member neighborhood councils to oppose any proposal by DONE or the City Clerk to seat all elected Neighborhood Council’s Board Members on the same date.
Terrence Gomes
03:15:03
6. Discussion and possible action for the Los Angeles Neighborhood Council Coalition (XXXXXX Neighborhood Council) is opposed to council file CF 20-0102 and wants the City Council to rescind the personal service contract to Counterintuity LLC. Although the motion does not list the services that the vendor (https://counterintuity.com/) will provide, they are a marketing firm whose clients include industrial, manufacturing, and e-commerce. While many Angelenos are out of work, losing their businesses and homes due to the COVID-19 crisis, the City Council should be focusing on solutions to get Angelenos back to work and not allowing the Councilmember from CD7 to self-promote herself. The City Council should also be focusing on solutions for the almost $700,000,000 budget deficit and ask Councilmember Paul Krekorian, Chair of the Budget and Finance Committee to create a motion to cancel this contract.
Glenn Bailey
03:15:23
Let's provide in the LANCC Standing Rules that persons NOT interrupt a speaker while they are speaking
Tony Wilkinson
03:16:00
I think we need to just play the fairness card. This is about being sensitive to everyone.
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
03:16:37
Right on, Brother Tony. I include myself in this reminder.
Glenn Bailey
03:16:50
Doing so would treat everyone more respectfully and would allow us to supersede Robert's Rules of Order in this regard
Conrad Starr
03:17:43
My updates to “Legal Issues Affecting NCs” - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oeeyHg4YZ6pSXAYIMGTri3mSP0mjhQQu/view?usp=sharing
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
03:17:48
Good suggestion, Glenn. Points of order can be made in the chat and recognized without alienating folks.
Tony Wilkinson
03:18:00
One of the reasons I'm not so in love with Rachel Beltran's crusade about Roberts Rules.I've seen them used againt classes all to often.
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
03:18:07
Hacked?
Bob Gelfand
03:18:15
There is nothing inherently sexist about Roberts Rules and use of it is not disrespectful.
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
03:19:00
My comments were to the sexists that stand behind them to ,crowd out other voices.
Lydia Grant
03:19:13
Thank You everyone!
Lydia Grant
03:19:36
See you at the Congress Planning Meeting next!
Tony Wilkinson
03:19:41
We can all save our own chat copy. Three little dots on lower right.
Rachael Rose Luckey (RVNC)
03:20:02
it is not a waste of time to do what we are suppose to be doing…
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
03:20:27
Nope
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
03:21:24
You are my friend Bob but so are all the others!
Lauren Echo Park NC (she/they)
03:21:34
Men please not tell women what sexism is? Thanks!
Tony Wilkinson
03:22:04
When the whole meeting is recorded, those are thebest notes. I try to do that with my NC committees.
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)
03:22:31
We are all sexist, let's be human first!😷
Tony Wilkinson
03:22:53
The comments were a useful discussion for us all. We should not personalize it. Calling out right now is not helpful.
Tony Wilkinson
03:24:17
David... ^^^
Lou Caravella
03:24:46
“Men please not tell women what sexism is? Thanks!” is a perfect case-in-point of an inappropriate attempt to silence someone or intimidate someone into silence. It’s also based on a perception of another’s gender.
Tony Wilkinson
03:24:47
Thanks to all who have made open comments