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Palestine, Zionism, and Racial Justice an Introduction - Shared screen with speaker view
Z! Haukeness
20:54
In 2 hours
Z! Haukeness
23:18
Hi Morton what can I help with?
Kirstin Hoffman
24:03
native-land.ca
SURJ Tech
24:14
https://native-land.ca/
SURJ Tech
24:25
https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=CFI-SURJ
SURJ Tech
25:00
https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=CFI-SURJ
SURJ Tech
25:18
https://native-land.ca/
SURJ Tech
26:28
https://native-land.ca/
SURJ Tech
26:43
https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=CFI-SURJ
Z! Haukeness
27:02
2 hours
SURJ Tech
36:37
Hi. What can we help with?
Joel Baum
37:16
What an amazing group of voices…Thank You SURJ!
Z! Haukeness
40:33
Yes
Sharon Zvonar
41:17
Difficult to read text
SURJ Tech
42:17
We will send it afterwards.
Z! Haukeness
42:32
Here is the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=cMWuk_mi5kw&feature=emb_logo
Z! Haukeness
42:44
Just do your best to take it in
Rachel Dorney
43:07
So powerful
Z! Haukeness
43:19
What can we help with Claire
Carla F Wallace
45:38
Yes. So Powerful! Louisville SURJ
Rev. Anne Dunlap (she/her), SURJ-Faith Coordinator
45:58
We will send the video links out with the webinar recording
doug thorpe
46:26
Always powerful to hear Ahed and her family. thanks for sharing this.
Z! Haukeness
46:56
WhYes
Z! Haukeness
47:02
Sorry, yes
Rev. Anne Dunlap (she/her), SURJ-Faith Coordinator
47:45
That is coming up on the agenda.
Crystal Colter
48:23
Thank you for naming that myth (that it's too complicated to understand and take a stand). I have felt that and have felt guilt about that. That's why I signed up tonight. I'm committing to learn NOW. Amen to all that you said!
Rev. Anne Dunlap (she/her), SURJ-Faith Coordinator
50:11
that is coming up, thanks for asking!
Ruth Bracegirdle
51:57
This is so helpful! I’ve never been confident to speak about this with my Jewish friends.
Joel Baum
52:17
This needing of “balance” is false equivalency!
Moji Agha
56:49
I was proudly part of the Standing Rock uprising
Joel Baum
01:07:37
all that change we put in the “blue box” We never had a clue
Moji Agha
01:10:12
CIA coup (1953) in Iran was aided by Israel
Liz Moore
01:17:58
Thank you!
Rev. Anne Dunlap (she/her), SURJ-Faith Coordinator
01:18:04
so good Lara!
Rachel Dorney
01:18:07
That was incredible. Thank you
Toby Briggs
01:18:21
Agreed!
Michael Leonard
01:18:23
respect
Rev. Anne Dunlap (she/her), SURJ-Faith Coordinator
01:18:48
A reminder that we are watching the chat for questions to raise during the Q&A section coming up. So if we don't address it right away, know that we've made note of it.
Rev. Anne Dunlap (she/her), SURJ-Faith Coordinator
01:19:34
We are checking on that!
Alyssa Kang
01:19:48
Thank you, Lara! Excellent presentation
Michael Leonard
01:22:03
my god
Randall Heyn-Lamb
01:22:35
Consider signing a petition from the Episcopal Diocese of Los Angeles calling on our elected officials to oppose and speak out against Israeli plans to Annex Area C and the illegal settlements. Ask your friends to sign and share with their friends!! http://chng.it/tJqkrrC
Randall Heyn-Lamb
01:23:43
http://chng.it/tJqkrrC
Moji Agha
01:24:05
Dear Rev. Dunlap: Salaam--and thanks for what you/FOSNA are doing. Please see this project that I have started recently: https://undemonization.blogspot.com/. I hope we can collaborate. Peace and justice, Moji
Rev. Anne Dunlap (she/her), SURJ-Faith Coordinator
01:24:33
Thanks, Moji.
Sue Kilgore
01:25:11
I see this webinar is being recorded. Will it be made available so we can share with others?
Rev. Anne Dunlap (she/her), SURJ-Faith Coordinator
01:25:18
Yes it will.
Jonathan (he/him) FOSNA
01:25:38
Link to USCPR resource that Rochelle's presentation is based on: https://uscpr.org/learn/togetherwerise/together-we-rise/
Jonathan (he/him) FOSNA
01:25:58
Black for Palestine Statement: https://www.fosna.org/blackchurchstatement
SURJ Tech
01:26:07
Hi Samie, How can we help?
Jonathan (he/him) FOSNA
01:26:47
Black Church Statement against Israeli Apartheid:https://www.fosna.org/blackchurchstatement
Lara Kiswani
01:27:11
On the Movement for Black Lives platform: https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/palestinians-welcome-movement-black-lives-platform
Rev. Anne Dunlap (she/her), SURJ-Faith Coordinator
01:27:36
we will also send them out with the recording
Jonathan (he/him) FOSNA
01:28:34
Jewish Voice for Peace Deadly Exchange Campaign: https://deadlyexchange.org/
Moji Agha
01:29:07
Dear Rev. Dunlap: God Willing I will hear from you/colleagues, so I can give you more context/info re the above "undemonization" effort. My phone: (520) 325-3545
Sue Kilgore
01:29:26
Thank you!
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
01:30:13
Yes the red states are those that have some sort of anti-bds legislation in place.
Rev. Anne Dunlap (she/her), SURJ-Faith Coordinator
01:30:25
Actually Christian Zionism webinar is June 18th, will send registration info with recording
Z! Haukeness
01:30:39
Here is the link Understanding Christian Zionism: A Racist theology influencing US Policy on Palestinehttps://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_AH0rV8xXTJ2Z-uwE0yhhiA?link_id=6&can_id=beb7fe1962723494b3fec5f78e9fa8a6&source=email-register-now-for-series-on-palestine-racial-justice&email_referrer=email_812946&email_subject=register-now-for-series-on-palestine-racial-justice
Rev. Anne Dunlap (she/her), SURJ-Faith Coordinator
01:30:58
JUNE 18th 8pmET/5pmPT
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
01:31:22
You can find the map at: https://palestinelegal.org/righttoboycott and click on your state to learn more.
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
01:31:31
90 minutes
Emily Drew
01:32:36
Possible question: very often, when I defend Palestinians and/or push for BDS, I get accused of being anti-Semitic. I do not deny my internalized anti_Semitism, which, like my whiteness, is socialized into me, internalized, incentivized, etc. And, I often feel like it is used as an identity politics tool to shut me up ... that being Catholic automatically negates any position I take against Isreali Zionism. In addition to my working on my anti-Semitism with the same commitments in which I work on my whiteness ... what might be a meaningful response or strategy to not let this "you're anti semitic if you defend Palestine" smack down?
Ruth Bracegirdle
01:33:16
Thanks, Emily. I have the same question.
Rev. Anne Dunlap (she/her), SURJ-Faith Coordinator
01:33:20
got it, Emily, good question.
Ilhan Cagri
01:34:28
I thought they were anti-Semitic. That their support for Israel is to promote the building of the 2nd Temple so that Jesus will return. The return of Jesus is late because of man.
Rich Procida
01:36:16
These idea are not setting public policy. It is the policy makers who are setting the policy by promoting their ideology to manipulate people into supporting their policy.
Jamie Jackson
01:36:24
I'm Jewish and my Jewish friends accuse me of being anti-Semitic.
Alyssa Kang
01:36:27
will all the links in this chat be included in the follow up email?
Kelley Grenn
01:36:37
v grateful for this
Shel Goldstein
01:36:41
Christian Zionists are pushing for Jews to return to Palestine to live, is that correct ?
Rev. Anne Dunlap (she/her), SURJ-Faith Coordinator
01:36:41
yes the links will be included
Alyssa Kang
01:37:20
Thank you @Rev. Dunlap
SURJ Tech
01:37:43
Hi annie, how can we help?
Deborah Stroman
01:38:07
Black pastors have “bought” into Zionism as well. When I visited Israel on a church trip with my former church, Black congregants were sold the importance of the building of the 2nd temple as a part of our Christian faith.
Rich Procida
01:38:20
This is not an ideological struggle. Ideology is merely a tool to manipulate people. This is a struggle of power, money and real estate.
Shlomo Jack
01:38:57
Yes, Christian Zionism is antisemitism, since they see Jewish people as a vehicle to bring Jesus back and want Jewish people to all move to Israel, meaning they don't consider us welcome in our home countries. They often hold other anti-Semitic views.
Z! Haukeness
01:39:10
How can we help Annie
Ilhan Cagri
01:40:02
Right and in the Rapture, some Jews will convert to Christianity and be Saved but most will go to Hell.
Moji Agha
01:40:16
Antisemitism = (kind'a) Islamophobia
Ilhan Cagri
01:40:22
In their belief system obviously
Moji Agha
01:41:56
Orientalism
Randall Heyn-Lamb
01:42:00
Hi, Emily. one answer I will give is that Zionism, as a racially-based political ideology, is bad for Israelis and other Jews. If you care about Jews, you wont want to see them holding racist views.
Ilhan Cagri
01:43:20
The popular Australian TV series “A Place to Call Home” does a very good job of portraying Palestine as a land devoid of people which is a homeland for the Jews. A Lot of propaganda mixed in an otherwise good show.
Jamie Jackson
01:44:27
Randall, you are so right. The racism being nurtured in Israel and among Jews here is a big concern of mine.
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
01:44:41
Sign up here to take action against Christian Zionism by participating in our June 28th digital Counter Summit occurring at the same time as CUFI's (Christian's United for Israel's) Annual Summit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSct5rA8pluW0BVCbKgRzbP9IKdw7dDrFVbfYqGySFecBvh1ug/viewform
SURJ Tech
01:45:38
Actionable Items:
Liz Moore
01:45:39
Possible question: This is a question I would like to be more ready to articulate my own answer to, and I’d like to hear yours: Given the historical reality of cycles of antisemitism including the Holocaust and the current escalation of white nationalist organizing, why wouldn’t a nationalistic project be the best way to make sure Jewish people are safe? Or: How can Jewish people know they are safe in the world without Israel as a Jewish state (which prohibits the right of return to keep the Jewish majority)?
SURJ Tech
01:45:45
Countering Christian Zionism: Counter CUFI June 28th Virtual Counter Summit
Lara Kiswani
01:45:50
https://www.fosna.org/countercufi
Rev. Anne Dunlap (she/her), SURJ-Faith Coordinator
01:46:09
We'll make sure all these links get to everyone in the follow-up email!
SURJ Tech
01:46:26
BDS: Given the election year, this is an important time to lift up the S, sanctions, an end to the 38 billion dollars of military aid given annually from U.S. taxpayer dollars. Freedom is the Future policy platform that came out last year and a large coalition is currently coming together to launch a campaign in July with the ending of funding as a focus called #InvestinJustice.
SURJ Tech
01:46:51
Decarceration Campaigns: No Way To Treat A Child and #FreeThem All
Moji Agha
01:47:12
Intersectionality
Rev. Anne Dunlap (she/her), SURJ-Faith Coordinator
01:47:16
De-Shelve!
SURJ Tech
01:47:20
#DefundGazaBlockade
Liz Moore
01:47:27
Possible Question: Given the reality of antisemitism being part of dominant Christian hegemonic culture into which we are socialized, the reality that people who hold strong antisemitic views will be drawn to opportunities to criticize Israel, and the conspiracy theory thinking that many people fall into so easily … how can our movement do better to live up to our responsibility to educate about, inoculate against, and address antisemitism? I have seen people who are part of the progressive community in my area post/share antisemitic information that other people re-post without critical thinking. Or, someone who says that the Israel-Palestine conflict is the real heart of every bit of US foreign policy (in an echo of the antisemitic trope of secret Jewish control). We need to do better.
Lara Kiswani
01:47:59
https://www.afsc.org/story/no-way-treat-child-campaign-launches
Lara Kiswani
01:48:33
https://secure.everyaction.com/8YIJc-Efmk-lvPI9ssx1Ow2
Moji Agha
01:49:18
CORRECT
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
01:49:25
https://www.freedomfuture.org/demands
Shel Goldstein
01:49:30
Liz, important concern
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
01:50:05
The campaign against police exchanges is called deadly exchange.
Ruth Bracegirdle
01:50:15
Thank you to the panelists! Incredible information.
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
01:50:25
https://deadlyexchange.org/
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
01:50:50
Take Action! Send this letter to your representative calling all prisoners to be released from the U.S. to Palestine: https://fosna.good.do/freetheprisoners/PalestinianPrisonersDay/
Joel Baum
01:50:55
curious to hear panelists thoughts on dialogue such as that of the parents circle? https://www.theparentscircle.org/en/pcff-home-page-en/
Randall Heyn-Lamb
01:51:00
great presentations. I plan to listen AGAIN
Z! Haukeness
01:51:27
How can we help Moji?
Rev. Anne Dunlap (she/her), SURJ-Faith Coordinator
01:51:41
On how to critique Israeli govt w/out being anti-semiticJews for Racial & Economic Justice (JFREJ): “Understanding Anti-Semitism”http://jfrej.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/JFREJ-Understanding-Antisemitism-November-2017-1.pdf
Samie Hayward
01:51:42
I vow to take action in support of Palestinian liberation. This is such important work. Thank you for bringing this information and teaching us.
Rev. Anne Dunlap (she/her), SURJ-Faith Coordinator
01:51:49
April Rosenblum, “The Past Didn’t Go Anywhere”https://www.aprilrosenblum.com/thepast
Rev. Anne Dunlap (she/her), SURJ-Faith Coordinator
01:51:55
Aurora Levins Morales, “Latin@s, Israel, and Palestine: Understanding Anti-Semitism”http://www.auroralevinsmorales.com/blog/latins-israel-and-palestine-understanding-anti-semitism
Moji Agha
01:52:56
Dear Z, thank you. Please see the "undemonization" link I sent above.
Deborah Stroman
01:53:25
If someone could speak to the Black-Jewish alliance that was rather clear and strong in the early 20th century. As Jews became white the alignment lost its valuable connection. I would appreciate the panelists’ thoughts on how best to reestablish the connection.
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
01:53:40
https://bdsmovement.net/news/%E2%80%9Cracism-and-racial-discrimination-are-antithesis-freedom-justice-equality%E2%80%9D
Z! Haukeness
01:53:53
Ok, thank you
Shlomo Jack
01:54:09
As a Jewish person, I think the best thing that non-Jewish allies can do about anti-Semitism is to learn to understand anti-Semitism as a movement and as a part of white supremacy and Christian hegemony, and then to take an active role in opposing anti-Semitism. We are seeing a lot of it these days, and many non-Jews are complicit. That isn't inherent to pro-Palestinian activism obviously, but if you are concerned about anti-Semitism, then oppose anti-Semitism.
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
01:54:54
On how to critique Israeli govt w/out being anti-semiticJews for Racial & Economic Justice (JFREJ): “Understanding Anti-Semitism”http://jfrej.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/JFREJ-Understanding-Antisemitism-November-2017-1.pdf
Shel Goldstein
01:55:03
thanks, Shlomo
Randall Heyn-Lamb
01:55:21
exactly. being pro Palestinan rights does not make soneone anti-Semitic
Barb Stuebing
01:55:24
that last link did not work
Sharon Zvonar
01:55:44
Last url doesn’t work
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
01:56:24
https://www.jfrej.org/news/2017/11/understanding-antisemitism-an-offering-to-our-movement
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
01:56:38
Trying again on the link.
Ruth Bracegirdle
01:56:59
Can we share the webinar link with others once we receive it?
Barb Stuebing
01:56:59
thank it works
Lorin Peters
01:57:05
As a Christian, I find Jewish Voice for Peace very helpful
Joel Baum
01:57:07
a fundamental notion of Judaism is tikkun olam to heal the world. what could deter demonstrate that responsibility than supporting Palestinian autonomy?
Joel Baum
01:57:32
*better demonstrate
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
01:57:42
https://www.jfrej.org/news/2017/11/understanding-antisemitism-an-offering-to-our-movement
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
01:59:20
A great resource for the BDS movement: https://bdsmovement.net/resources
Shel Goldstein
01:59:41
In one of Lee’s (I think) slides, showing a breakdown of ideologues, White Supremacy included as Privileged, Jews because they were now considered White. My understanding has been that most White Supremacists include all Semites within their racist targets.
Liz Moore
02:01:08
This has been communicated (not in so many words, but in essence) to me regarding my org’s support for BDS – how would you respond? How can Jewish people know they are safe in the world without Israel as a Jewish state (which prohibits the right of return to keep the Jewish majority)?
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
02:04:27
<3
Ilhan Cagri
02:04:41
How can you have two states when one of those states is like Swiss cheese, non-contiguous and access to roads barred.
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
02:05:09
<3
Ilhan Cagri
02:05:21
But always, Israeli security control even under Palestinian authority. Israel reigns supreme.
Doris Reisig
02:05:21
@Rochelle…did you say that BNC also has a good answer to the Zionish=Anti Semitism question? If so can you provide a link to that? Thanx
Randall Heyn-Lamb
02:07:09
Even if you believe 2 states is dead (as I do) Sign on to tell your elected officials to oppose annexation. De jure annexation will just accelerate the loss of Palestinian futures. Ask your friends to sign and share with their friends!! http://chng.it/tJqkrrC
Ilhan Cagri
02:07:19
Someone might explain that the Wall is not so much to “protect” the Israelis from the Palestinian threat but more to ensure that Israeli conscience doesn’t kick in by maybe seeing Palestinians as people.?
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
02:07:26
The BNC has a an anti-racism statement that includes anti-semitism here: https://bdsmovement.net/news/%E2%80%9Cracism-and-racial-discrimination-are-antithesis-freedom-justice-equality%E2%80%9D
Randall Heyn-Lamb
02:08:21
I agree Ilhan. out of sight, out of mind
Ilhan Cagri
02:08:22
Thank you Laura. That was really good. Thank you to the panel. May you be Blessed for your efforts for justice.
Doris Reisig
02:08:23
Thanks Rochelle
Sue Kilgore
02:08:44
Thank you for an enlightening session!
Randall Heyn-Lamb
02:08:58
applause! applause!
Michael Leonard
02:09:16
Thank you all for your work!
Michael Leonard
02:09:18
<3
Z! Haukeness
02:09:21
https://www.fosna.org/countercufi
Amanda Miller
02:09:23
thank you all!! this was outstanding
Ruth Bracegirdle
02:09:28
Thank you all so much for your work and time!
Mollie Olson
02:09:34
Thank you all for speaking tonight!
Z! Haukeness
02:09:39
Palestine and Racial Justice: Reflection Space for Jews of SURJ https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZUtdOyhrTgtHNfC9THhF4At-d7FprZv1CYJ?link_id=4&can_id=beb7fe1962723494b3fec5f78e9fa8a6&source=email-register-now-for-series-on-palestine-racial-justice&email_referrer=email_812946&email_subject=register-now-for-series-on-palestine-racial-justiceUnderstanding Christian Zionism: A Racist theology influencing US Policy on Palestinehttps://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_AH0rV8xXTJ2Z-uwE0yhhiA?link_id=6&can_id=beb7fe1962723494b3fec5f78e9fa8a6&source=email-register-now-for-series-on-palestine-racial-justice&email_referrer=email_812946&email_subject=register-now-for-series-on-palestine-racial-justice
Sharon Zvonar
02:09:46
Awesome information!
Ilhan Cagri
02:09:49
I’ve been applauding throughout but more applause now.
Alyssa Kang
02:10:00
thank you for organizing this event. Will share the link to the recording with others
Ilhan Cagri
02:10:25
Good on you FOSNA. You do amazing work!!
Shel Goldstein
02:10:35
Are there International chapters ? I’m in Canada
Jonathan (he/him) FOSNA
02:11:15
There is a Friends of Sabeel Canada!
Shel Goldstein
02:11:33
How would you Americans like a BDS against USA products until Israeli regime support ends ?
Moji Agha
02:11:52
Thank you
Liz Moore
02:11:58
thank you all
Ethan Morris
02:12:14
thank you all so much
Rachel Dorney
02:12:15
Very well put together. Thank you
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
02:12:22
https://www.freedomfuture.org/demands
Shel Goldstein
02:12:40
Great seminar. Huge thanks.
SURJ Tech
02:12:51
Palestine and Racial Justice: Reflection Space for Jews of SURJ https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZUtdOyhrTgtHNfC9THhF4At-d7FprZv1CYJ?link_id=4&can_id=beb7fe1962723494b3fec5f78e9fa8a6&source=email-register-now-for-series-on-palestine-racial-justice&email_referrer=email_812946&email_subject=register-now-for-series-on-palestine-racial-justiceUnderstanding Christian Zionism: A Racist theology influencing US Policy on Palestinehttps://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_AH0rV8xXTJ2Z-uwE0yhhiA?link_id=6&can_id=beb7fe1962723494b3fec5f78e9fa8a6&source=email-register-now-for-series-on-palestine-racial-justice&email_referrer=email_812946&email_subject=register-now-for-series-on-palestine-racial-justice
Ruth Bracegirdle
02:13:09
Great question, Shel. I’m always concerned about boycotts of entire nations for the same reason.
Deborah Stroman
02:13:31
Thanks!
M Nuwaysir
02:13:37
Thank you.
Bonnie Genevich
02:13:46
Great, informative program and great call to action.
Flavia Franco
02:13:53
Thank you! This was super informative
Rochelle Watson (she,her) FOSNA
02:15:30
This poem was written during the 2011 Gaza massacre by the Israeli military.
bill slaughter
02:16:33
Thanks all~~onward to equality and respect~~
Alyssa Kang
02:16:54
🔥❤️✊
Shel Goldstein
02:16:57
Ruth, actually it might be a good (though confronting) tactic. And, yes, boycotts hurt, that’s where their power lies. It would be great if US citizens against Israeli apartheid would encourage an international boycott against USA collaboration.
Ilhan Cagri
02:16:59
I am in tears. So powerful, so eloquent, so true.
Rachel Dorney
02:17:30
Ilan, that’s exactly what I was just thinking
Randall Heyn-Lamb
02:17:48
tears
Shel Goldstein
02:17:55
To Life !
Abigail Abysalh-Metzger
02:18:04
Please send link to that amazing poem