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Israeli Poetry with Rachel - Shared screen with speaker view
Ed Grossman
09:31
Maybe just a listing for musicians--perhaps taken from your emails?
Joanne
09:34
His music seems better than when he is speaking
Joanne
11:04
Re the Musicians- you can find names from Rachel’s emails. She has so much work to do already!
Yael Gott
14:20
"Holy of Holies," instead of "Holly of Hollies."
Linda Cedarbaum
18:28
What is this?
Suzie Lampert
18:57
Sorry I was just trying to send a photo of 1 foot of snow here this morning!!
muriel wolf
22:01
please send us a copy of the time line thanks you Muriel wolf
Suzie Lampert
23:35
a fun song for today
Yael Gott
23:36
Thank you, Ziv
Steven Broder
23:37
That was fun, Ziv!
Dr. Dorothy Greenbaum
23:38
What fun!
Dorothea Dorenz
23:41
a sense of humor!! thanks!
Denah S. Bookstein
23:42
What a delight !
Harriet Wolpoff
23:45
Happy music!
edna janco
24:11
was worth the wait!!!!!!!!!!
Steve Kirschbaum
24:32
Thank you, Ziv. Your music is great!
Linda Cedarbaum
24:54
Charming music!
Ed Grossman
26:46
Screen capture of time line:
Taibel
28:42
if people want it online, hebrew, english ... french too. www.mechon-mamre.org
Dan
31:57
Palit also refugee.
Linda Cedarbaum
39:38
Mein Kamp was published in 1925.
Suzanne Levin
51:28
I always use Robert Alter, he was my son's PhD adviser.
Heather Silverman
51:58
Yes, I like his translations - esp the story of King David
edna janco
53:17
what year was this poem written?
rle.family@gmail.com
54:02
Published in 1945
Jon Tepper in Tucson, AZ
56:00
remind me of the folk song ‘Dona’: the calf on the way to slaughter...and the birds are laughing...
Miriam's iPad
57:31
I think that song had a Holocaust connection when it was written
Linda Cedarbaum
59:32
Yes, that camp song was definitely the response to not being a sheep to slaughter, to arm oneself against the future threat
Ed Grossman
01:00:04
"sweet" and "silence" rhyme ironically in the Hebrew
Harriet
01:11:58
Heather, thank you for your beautiful reading.....
Heather Silverman
01:12:14
I love to do this
Dan
01:12:31
What about the Jewish Brigade? Eretz Israel was under British mandate.Not a complete excuse…
Michaela Davidai
01:16:07
Is Ziv Greenberg related to Uri Zvi Greenberg?
Lionel Moses
01:18:03
It sounds like the music of Scott Joplin.
wendy
01:18:08
Thank you so much for introducing us to this amazing poet and for your beautiful translation Rachel, involved so much work
rheadorn
01:18:29
Music with an ironic twist. Thanks.
Joanne
01:18:43
Like a player piano
Suzanne Levin
01:19:15
absolutlely ragtime
Randi Brenowitz
01:20:21
Audrey or Ed can you take spotlight off of musician and back onto rachel
Ed Grossman
01:21:33
[done]
Denah S. Bookstein
01:23:57
The fear was that no one would know what was happening to them. the story would be buried with them
Yael Gott
01:29:29
Al tishkach Amalek
Lionel Moses
01:30:03
What an incredible class, Rachel. Todah.
Michaela Davidai
01:30:58
Toda for such a powerful class.
Heather Silverman
01:31:09
We need to know about these poets, these voices. They express so much better than most of us what the main issues are that still face the Jewish people
Florence Brodkey
01:31:43
amem
Paul Slater
01:31:56
This Shabbat is Parashat Zachor- remember what Amalek did to you.
Varda Farber
01:31:57
Yes Heather. Thank you Rachel!
muriel wolf
01:32:36
thanks you for a wonderful, very moving class. Muriel Wolf
Edy Parker
01:33:15
Thank you so much for such a thought-provoking and meaningful class. And music!
Paul Nisner
01:33:44
Very moving lesson. A poignant look at the Holaucast rarely expressed. Thank you
Denah S. Bookstein
01:34:02
beautiful piece. moody yet strong and hopeful thank you Ziv !,
Linda Cedarbaum
01:34:25
Thank yo Rachel for your amazing teaching and translating. Yes, we need more of this! Hoping you will one day bring him fully into our English realm, after you are finished with Alterman
Elizabeth Pressaman
01:34:32
Today Rabah Rachel for presenting and teaThey are extremely moving!
Denah S. Bookstein
01:35:13
info on Ziv ?
Ziv Grinberg
01:35:36
hi!
Ziv Grinberg
01:35:39
im zivgrinberg
Ziv Grinberg
01:35:48
ziv grinberg@gmail.com
Karen Lakin
01:35:50
Thank you, Rachel.
Denah S. Bookstein
01:35:54
Thank you Ziv !
Ziv Grinberg
01:36:07
thank you all! :)
Jon Tepper in Tucson, AZ
01:36:12
see the article on Uri Tsevi Greenberg at yivoencyclopedia.org. it explains the horrors he witnessed as a soldier (fighting for his native Austria-Hungary) and how he narrowly escaped death at the hands of Polish soldiers who led a pogrom in his home town, Lviv (Lemberg), just after Armistice Day, Nov. 1918. This informs his vision of of a future slaughter of Jews in Eastern Europe.
Elizabeth Pressaman
01:36:23
“Todah” “teaching” in my previous chat.
judyhurvitz
01:36:37
Zvi, thank you for helping us shift our mood with your wonderful music. So different, so inexpected! Just what we needed.
fran putnoi
01:37:03
What an extraordinary teacher..a gift in their tragic and so important message
Aviva Lev-Ari
01:37:13
Very sad for European Jews who decline going to Palestine and been killed in Europe. Tahank you for the translation, Aviva Lev-Ari
Joanne
01:37:15
Jon- thanks for the important background, explains a lot!
Ziv Grinberg
01:37:24
last link :) https://zivgrinberg.com/
Violet Zeitlin
01:37:46
Absolutely amazing class. Thank you Rachel. The translation must have been so difficult and you did a fabulous job. So moving!
Ed Grossman
01:38:33
Kinah is the same root/word as keening (as in Irish wake)...
Jon Tepper in Tucson, AZ
01:38:57
i can’t stop thinking of my grandfather, a contemporary of Greenberg who was raised in a town not far from Greenberg’s Lemberg...and What his fate might have been had he not emigrated to New York in 1903.
Joanne
01:42:40
Were we naive in US to think what happened on Jan 6 could never happen here?
Jon Tepper in Tucson, AZ
01:46:22
interesting observation, Ed G. just looked up keening in the OED. it notes an Old Irish origin: ‘cainim’ or ‘caonim’ in Gaelic, meaning ‘a lament’.
Joanne
01:48:17
NO that is the second book she wrote
Jon Tepper in Tucson, AZ
01:50:14
relating to Jan. 6 insurrection: see Thomas Edsall’s op-Ed in NY Times, 1/28/21: about the Christian Nationalist movement.
Taibel
01:51:23
if 2nd book, joanne , go set a watchman was in fact the 1st draft for mockingbird, despite initial publicity, easy to look up even with google, plus many books plus articles, or see casey cep recent book
Denah S. Bookstein
01:52:01
Jews were in a different place, economically secure and more integrated
fran putnoi
01:52:30
That is those of us who were Children of Survivors worked hard on Soviet Jewry
Heather Silverman
01:52:33
It’s hard for us to understand how Jews felt before having the State of israel
Ed Grossman
01:53:51
The Soviet Jewry movement also was consonant with the global political dynamics and was resonant with Christian views
Leslie Schaeffer
01:53:51
Thank you again for such wonderful learning.
nily
01:55:50
it is easy to write poems than come to israel in the 30 or before and live the difficuit life of the halutzim
Michael Eliastam
01:57:28
Wiesel play--Trial Of God?
Ed Grossman
01:57:31
What would Bialik have written if he lived through the Holocaust and into the 50's and 60's?
Taibel
01:57:49
yes wiesel play, based on incident he recalled in auschwitz, others wrote too
nily
01:59:00
my mother discoverd antisemitism when she was 9 years old in lituania and that made her look to be a zionist in palestine
fran putnoi
01:59:50
My husbands family was murdered in Kausos
Ed Grossman
02:02:06
Greenberg's powerful in English as a scissors, but is he is a scalpel in the Hebrew
nily
02:03:12
Even now we have Jews and isrealis that fell to see the right way and forgot the hollocost and choose polititians that are friend of the new antisemitism and white supremasis-in the usa--how can they be so blind?
David Moses
02:06:43
great session Rachel. very moving
fran putnoi
02:09:50
What a gift on this snowy cold winter day in Cambridge. Thank you for allowing s to join
Taibel
02:10:22
‘fight back’ takes many forms ... even those about to be murdereed in auschwitz who buried keys to suitcases to make it harder for nazis to loot set aside suitcases, recent scholarly articles ground penetrating radar showing how many
Taibel
02:17:54
recent book, rafael medoff, ‘jews should keep quiet’, about dilemma during ww ii and how hard to push fdr those who in theory could
Joanne
02:21:04
Martha- it would be wonderful if you wrote some sort of remembrance of your years with Wiesel. Not an “expose” but impressions, an essay?
Suzie Lampert
02:21:32
Thank you Rachel for another extraordinary class!!
Joanne
02:22:01
Perhaps the difficulty of hearing his message is why he hasn’t been widely translated?
Jon Tepper in Tucson, AZ
02:22:59
for more on what America did and did not do during the Holocaust, see online exhibit at ushmm.org : ‘Americans and the Holocaust’
Lynnie Mirvis
02:23:07
The book of Joshua
Jon Tepper in Tucson, AZ
02:24:46
image of crossing over the Jordan: a key element in US Black Church gospel songs
Audrey Asher
02:24:51
The words of Greenberg as imagined to be from his mother convey the same message as what we read in Hamutal Bar-Yosef's poem, Show Me which ends "I need to be ready."
muriel wolf
02:26:48
than you so much muriel Wolf extraordinary
Claudia
02:26:57
thepoetry
Jon Tepper in Tucson, AZ
02:27:41
This was some of the most powerful poetry we have studied. Thanks so much for this class!
Ed Grossman
02:28:27
Agreed. He is in the class of lyrical, prophetic poets...
Ed Grossman
02:28:52
L'hitraot...
Barbara Taragan
02:28:57
This class is such a highlight. Thank you Rachel!
mila raclaw
02:29:54
toda raba
iPad (6)Joyce Goldberg
02:31:42
Thank you for another wonderful Class. !