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NYConf21 | Closing Session | Pathways to Land Justice: Indigenous Tenure and Access - Shared screen with speaker view
Artis Freye, Land Trust Alliance
15:06
Welcome! We'll be starting on the hour.
Meme Hanley
15:36
Big thanks to everyone for joining today!
Peg Olsen
16:57
Peg Olsen, Saratoga Springs
Peter Reed
17:05
Peter Reed, Copake, NY
Thomas B Williams
17:06
Brookhaven, Long Island, NY
Zachary Ashbrook (he/they)
17:11
Zachary Ashbrook, Buffalo, NY
Abdiel Lopez-Torres
17:18
High Falls, NY
Lindsay Blair
17:21
Really looking forward to this session from up in Vermont!
Nicole Wooten (she/her), HHLT
17:27
Beacon, NY
Artis Freye, Land Trust Alliance
17:35
Thanks Meme! Artis Freye, Fairfield CA
Joanne Dittersdorf
17:57
Joanne, Brooklyn NY
Joseph Jannsen
18:13
Medford, NY (Long Island)
Andrew’s iPhone
18:18
Andy Ramsgard from CNY Land Trust
Jeff Mapes
18:19
Jeff Mapes - Saratoga Springs, NY
Kevin Munroe
18:46
Kevin Munroe, Long Island, NY
Mary Hadley
18:53
Mary Hadley - Genesee Land Trust
Emily Landry
19:09
Tilton, NH
Nate Nardi-Cyrus (he/him), Hudson River Estuary Program
19:17
Nate Nardi-Cyrus - Rosendale, NY
Max Heitner
19:22
Max Heitner - Finger Lakes Land Trust
Laura Heady, Hudson River Estuary Program/Cornell (she/her)
19:32
Laura Heady, Rosendale, NY (Ulster County)
Renee Bouplon
19:39
Renee Bouplon - Greenwich, NY - Agricultural Stewardship Association
Gretchen Reed she, her, hers
19:42
Gretchen Reed - Mohonk Preserve, Ulster County
Eric - Finger Lakes Land Trust
19:47
Eric Mastroberti - Finger Lakes Land Trust
Paul Tankel
20:14
Paul Tankel - Genesee Land Trust
Christine Vanderlan, Columbia Land Conservancy
20:30
Christine Vanderlan, Columbia Land Conservancy
OG iPhone
20:49
Olivia Green, Syracuse TNC
Matt Decker, Orange County Land Trust
20:51
Matt Decker, currently in Wappinger, NY on the land of the Wappinger Lenape
Mary Ripka-NY
21:06
Mary Ripka, Pulaski, NY-TNC
Riley Johndonnell
21:13
Riley Johndonnell— Scenic Hudson, Kingston/Poughkeepsie, NY
Serena Orleski
21:49
Serena Orleski - Watershed Agricultural Council - Catskills
Celia Kutz
21:59
Good morning! Celia from Rensselaer Youth Outdoors, Averill Park, NY - Stockbridge-Munsee and Schaghticoke's people's land.
Shaniqua Bowden
22:38
Good morning All! I'm Shaniqua Bowden from the Kingston Land Trust.
Jim Bonesteel
23:21
Jim Bonesteel - Rensselaer Plateau Alliance, Stephentown, NY - Stockbridge-Munsee and Schaghticoke's people's land.
Grace Murphy
23:42
Grace Murphy - Woodstock Land Conservancy
Terra Bach
23:59
Terra Bach - Thousand Islands Land Trust
Kingston Land Trust
24:46
Greg Shaheen - Kingston Land Trust from Esopus / Lenape land
Tela Troge
30:01
Tela Troge- Shinnecock Nation
Melanie Cirillo
32:16
Melanie Cirillo - Peconic Land Trust
Abdiel Lopez-Torres
46:53
How do Native peoples feel when called Indians? I thought that the Indian name came from Columbus' intention to get to India and unintentionally got to this hemisphere. How do we all feel about that? Should this matter and should we look for the most sensible language to use?
Emily Landry
54:36
Abdiel, I was under a similar impression, although I’m sure preference depends on the person. An interesting thought: A coworker of mine is Navajo and prefers “Indigenous” because she believes you are “native” to the place you were born. Hence referring to “Native American “ could mean anyone born in America
Jeff Briggs
01:06:11
Can you provide an example of a collaboration where the land trust retains ownership in fee while granting cultural access to the property for a local tribal interest.?
Judy Anderson
01:09:28
can you clarify language? Should we be using the term "Indian" land or "Native Peoples" land--or does it matter?
jordan (they/them)
01:09:39
https://nefoclandtrust.org/
Meme Hanley
01:10:50
Thanks for questions and comments! Keep them coming. We will address towards end of session.
Joseph Jannsen
01:11:39
Do you have examples where it didn't go well; where the transfer of fee to a tribal nation with restrictions for conservation purposes that the tribe did not abide by once they held fee? This is a concern I have heard when considering such a transfer.
Francis.OShea@tpl.org
01:11:43
I am also interested in hearing more about appropriate name usage - have heard there is not a consensus
jordan (they/them)
01:12:53
Cultural Respect Easement (example) - https://www.soulfirefarm.org/love-notes-finding-hope-resilience-during-challenging-times/"As people not indigenous to the land we steward it has been integral that we also explore the ways we can be accountable to the land’s original stewards, the Stockbridge-Munsee Band of the Mohican Nation who were forcibly displaced to a reservation in northern Wisconsin in the 1800s. Part of our relationship building process has been establishing a cultural respect easement that would allow Mohican citizens to use the Soul Fire Land for ceremonies and wildcrafting in perpetuity, and we are pleased to announce that the Tribal Council recently passed and signed the easement! We hope that the models we are developing reflect our ongoing commitment and accountability to the land and its original stewards."
Nate Nardi-Cyrus (he/him), Hudson River Estuary Program
01:14:18
A local example (Stockbridge-Munsee and OSI) along the Hudson River: https://www.openspaceinstitute.org/news/papscanee-island-nature-preserve-returned-to-the-stockbridge-munsee-community
Judy Anderson
01:14:48
I'm interested in the conservation easement terms and how they differ from an easement with another nonprofit, town, or other public (not private landowner as in a family, etc.)
Lori Ensinger, Westchester Land Trust
01:16:58
I am interested in understanding the nexus of IRC 170(h) with granting of a CE to an Indian Nation. Does our IRS consider an Indian Nation a "qualified conservation easement grantee", and could a private landowner donate a CE and qualify for all of the same tax benefits that they would if they donated the CE to a land trust or govt entity.
Gretchen Reed she, her, hers
01:18:06
Is there any additional info on the pending NYS legislation regarding indigenous hunting and fishing rights? I'd like to reach out to my legislators to support this effort.
Laura Heady, Hudson River Estuary Program/Cornell (she/her)
01:18:34
Thank you for this excellent session! I'm sorry I need to leave for an 11am meeting and hope to catch the Q&A via the recording.
Celia Kutz
01:18:49
Thank you so much. This was amazing - the relationships and knowledge shared - so grateful <3
Francis.OShea@tpl.org
01:19:08
I am working on a property that involves NY SHPO and a pre contact nexus which is resulting in a voluntary deed restriction - my interactions have only been with non native state employees, how can I confirm that the restrictions proposed reflect the priorities and wishes of the Lenape tribe relevant to the property in question
Abdiel Lopez-Torres
01:20:33
That is what I think we should learn!
Alex Page
01:22:08
Information regarding NYS legislation on treaty rights to hunt/fish: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/s5266
Gretchen Reed she, her, hers
01:22:21
Thanks!
Chris Jage
01:22:41
This was presented at Rally a few years back: https://www.capenews.net/mashpee/news/native-conservancy-signs-land-access-agreement/article_ed9b4b44-898d-58c2-a43c-4c59d66904c8.html
Tom Duffus
01:22:41
Why would it be appropriate to convey lands to Indigenous groups with restrictions? I would think they would define "conservation" as they see fit.
Francis.OShea@tpl.org
01:23:17
good point Tom
Judy Anderson
01:24:51
Tom, that's why I'm curious about the conservation easement terms...
Alex Page
01:26:07
Regarding question re work with SHPO and how to ensure Indian nation with interest in the area (Lenape was mentioned) approves of deed restrictions: do you have access to CRIS, and if so are Lenape representatives listed as contacts for your project? If yes, you may be able to reach an appropriate contact at Lenape that way
Celia Kutz
01:26:23
Sometimes relationship building, that process of being in touch with an Indian Nation, conflicts with the pace at which a land acquisition (or potentially a legal battle) is moving/moves. Advice for how to balance that?
Francis.OShea@tpl.org
01:27:04
if there were one book to read on the legal history of indian nations and the united state what would it be?
Peg Olsen
01:27:44
what is local property tax status for lands held by First Nations?
Alex Page
01:29:40
re book, try "Exiled in the Land of the Free," by John Mohawk, Oren Lyons, and Daniel Inouye
Francis.OShea@tpl.org
01:29:43
Thank you Alex I will access CRIS and look into that.
Jennifer Miller Herzog (she/her), Land Trust Alliance
01:30:14
Yes, Chris. Re: cultural use agreements, First Light Learning Journey has some resources here: https://firstlightlearningjourney.net/resources/cultural-easements-and-culture-use-agreements/ and includes that cultural respect access agreement you referenced from Rally between the Native Land Conservancy and Dennis Conservation Trust in MA.
Terra Bach
01:31:59
I am working on a few different projects at this time to create a relationship between the local Indian Nations and the land in the Thousand Islands. I have begun this journey and am in the research phase to figure out how to make these connections respectively and depict the cultural history between the Indian Nations and this land. In addition, TILT owns Fort Haldimand on Carleton Island and I look forward to working to restore relationships, learn more and provide this information to the public. This is important to us and I look forward to reaching out to the presenters here today! Thank you for this impactful presentation.
Gretchen Reed she, her, hers
01:33:19
Great session - thanks to all of the presenters!
Riley Johndonnell
01:33:27
Thank you to all the presenters for sharing today and to LTA for hosting! I wish I could stay longer to hear more of the questions and answers. Looking forward to the recording of the event. Thanks again!
Tom Duffus
01:33:52
I have found that European concepts of "conservation" that land trusts have are not always appropriate for Indigenous concepts
Zachary Ashbrook (he/they)
01:34:06
What did CRIS and SHPO stand for again??
Catherine Landis
01:36:26
Cultural Resource Information System and State Historic Preservation Office - hope that helps - both NY state offices
Zachary Ashbrook (he/they)
01:37:27
@Catherine Landis, Thank you!!
Olivia Waterhouse
01:38:01
Thank you all for this thoughtful discussion! Looking forward to watching the rest of the recording.
Nancy Smith
01:39:20
fabulous presentation. Thank you to the presenters and Land Trust Alliance!
Celia Kutz
01:40:00
Thanks for that answer - I'm also curious how land trusts can support the time-sensitive legislative fights even when they aren't necessarily in relationship with that Indian Nation (or as much as they'd like to be). @Alex, your website was helpful but also, are there organizations that are advocating for that bill?
Mallory Pierce (she/hers)
01:42:08
Check out This Land Pod Cast: https://crooked.com/podcast-series/this-land/
Pam Richardson
01:42:35
You can save the chat
Joseph Jannsen
01:42:48
How long is access to the conference hub available to attendees after the conference is over?
Catherine Landis
01:42:52
Neighbors of Onondaga Nation is a local ally group for the Onondagas with some great information -has a listserv as well https://www.peacecouncil.net/programs/neighbors-of-the-onondaga-nation
Zachary Ashbrook (he/they)
01:42:55
Such a wonderful presentation! I've learned a lot, I appreciated this conference and all the wonderful resources presented!
Celia Kutz
01:43:47
https://www.albanyproper.com/troy-neighbors-fight-to-save-historic-mohican-site-from-development/
Judy Anderson
01:43:53
Thank you. Appreciate the thoughts and insights
Annie Jacobs
01:43:56
Such a deep and rich discussion and excellent panel. I am so happy that we are having these conservations. Thank you all!
Mary Garsia
01:44:14
Thank you so much . I will share resources. Mary Garsia
Peter Reed
01:44:15
Great discussion and presentations. Thank you.
MJ Martin
01:44:23
Thank you!
Pam Richardson
01:44:28
Excellent discussion! Thank you to all for sharing your knowledge and insights.
Nicole Wooten (she/her), HHLT
01:44:32
Thank you!
Joseph Jannsen
01:44:39
Thank you!
Max Heitner
01:44:40
Thank you - great presentation!
Nate Nardi-Cyrus (he/him), Hudson River Estuary Program
01:44:45
Thanks!
Abdiel Lopez-Torres
01:44:45
Thank you and lets keep it going!
Mary Garsia
01:45:04
from the Bang land trust in Brooklyn
jordan (they/them)
01:45:07
thank you all for hosting this, it's energizing to find so many fellow settlers and settler institutions engaged in Indigenous solidarity / land return
Mary Thill, Adirondack Land Trust
01:45:31
Thank you for a thoughtful and helpful presentation