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Frona Kahn
42:46
so honored to be here
Deb Solo
43:00
please mute and shut your videos. if you keep your video on I will have to close it and you will not be able to open it
Michael Kaftor
50:29
Actually .. "Isrulic" is breaking off from the other branch
Susan Goldman
55:27
cannot see or hear!
Violet
59:25
thank you
Jon Tepper in Tucson
01:01:14
how true! all these years, I never made this connection, that a 'solution' assumes a 'problem'. How Profound
Michael Kaftor
01:04:05
"ordinary day"
Michael Kaftor
01:05:51
Mark Twain, fifty years before the Holocaust .. in his article about the Jews, he described the problem .. you have been kicked out from each and every town in Europe .. and such was the problem .. no one in Europe wanted us .. not even the US
Kitty Hoffman
01:06:29
All the survivors that I knew — and I knew many — were tough, composed, and steely when talking to others. Others broke down, but the survivors did not.
Lawrence Kaplan
01:06:42
Missing "you are now among the living"
Jon Tepper in Tucson
01:06:56
yes
Michael Kaftor
01:06:59
goes without saying, only the strong survived
Kitty Hoffman
01:07:40
Yes. I’m trying to provide a counterpoint to this initial Israeli attitude.
Deb Solo
01:07:52
please everyone stay muted
Diana Heller Friedman
01:07:58
"only" is an exaggeration, Luck played a part as the survivors.
Kitty Hoffman
01:09:14
Many things — including hardiness and strength — were necess.
Randi Brenowitz
01:09:24
Palo Alto friends, Rachel did a session for the Hausner kids and faculty about Gideon Hausner. She did it for Yom haShoah
Sheri Morrison
01:10:12
Randi, was it recorded and is it available?
Jon Tepper in Tucson
01:11:18
I noticed this, too. Thus appears to be the justification for Akternan to say to the woman, in essence, that she is alive and among the living, here in Israel. so she should be living in the present, and not dwell among the dead the past.
Kitty Hoffman
01:12:05
Comments were cut off. Many things were necessary to survive, but nothing was a guarantee. Except luck.
Randi Brenowitz
01:15:18
I will check with Ora and see if it was recorded
Michael Kaftor
01:18:25
Some purposefully .. refused to evacuate even as good Christians came to save them .. in OC, Calif in a local paper, a story in an abituary of .. a righteous and influencial German woman from Berlin, have been informed of a round up the next day, rushed to her friends to save them in her house and to smuggle them out of Berlin .. and they refused, saying, "if they want to kill us, let them" .. and that what happened .. some people decided they didn't want to live in a world that didn't want them. a true story.
stanleykay
01:21:20
Did anyone else lose @ 3 minutes?
Michael Kaftor
01:21:38
Mark Twain in his famous article, said about the Dreyfus Affair .. "It's un-English, it's un-American .. it's French"
Me Barenholtz
01:21:43
Not I.
Sarilyn's iPhone
01:22:04
waiting for recording to listen all over again
Ruth Kaplan
01:22:21
Bar Mitzvah!
Kitty Hoffman
01:22:25
With respect — the vast majority of Europe’s Jews had no such choice. Most who did [a tiny fraction] were able to save themselves.
Barb Kessel
01:24:36
very dramatic, well done powerpoint.
Jon Tepper in Tucson
01:25:52
...but by 1935, the handwriting was on the wall: ant-Jewish law's begin inGermany, banning Jews from many professions and the public schools. one year later, in 1936, my mother-in-law's parents waited in a long line at the entrance of the US Consulate in Germany, desperate for US visas -- over 2 years before Kristallnacht. By 1940, as deportations of German Jews began, very few would refuse to heed a warning to hide when warned by a neighbor.
Kitty Hoffman
01:27:19
There are six million individual stories, plus those of survivors. The vast majority of Europe’s Jews did not live in Germany.
Michael Kaftor
01:27:22
People have walked to their death on the account of the Three Oaths .. the orthodox rabbais inculcated to our people for two thousand years .. the reason for which we didn't resist .. they bear the responsibility that our people walked to their death
Kitty Hoffman
01:28:19
Six million individual stories. The majority of Europe’s jews were by then not religious.
Yiftach Levy
01:28:40
The Eichmann Trial on YouTube in English: https://www.youtube.com/user/EichmannTrialEN
Yiftach Levy
01:29:13
Hebrew: http://www.youtube.com/EichmannTrial
Michael Kaftor
01:30:03
They were not religious .. totally right .. but the state of mind was a result of being brain washed for two thousand years
rachel amaru
01:30:30
please - no judgments of any of the six million. so not appropriate. we have no idea what we would have done… we can hope we might have acted in some way, but we have no idea. just give them full respect always - and never judge them or place blame.
Michael Kaftor
01:31:03
No judgement of the six million .. but of the orthodox rabbais
Erica Sokoloff
01:31:09
Thank you Rachel
Sandee Holleb
01:32:07
Before this trial, the little that was available in the U.S. then, he lesson I learn3d was NOT to judge. Before, I wondered why they “allowed” themselves to go to their death. I then became a proud Jew!
Kitty Hoffman
01:32:31
I wonder how many actual survivors you knew/know? I grew up among them, and your description is completely different from the tough, resisting, resilient people that I experienced.
Sandee Holleb
01:32:48
I knew NONE!
Lawrence Kaplan
01:36:23
Translation missing whole paragraph!.
rachel amaru
01:37:01
I am not an Orthodox Jew, but highly recommend reading Yaffa Eliach’s Hasidic Tales of the Holocaust. There are many ways to rebel/ revolt/ protest. I have known so many Holocaust survivors in my life, and some were tough and resilient, and some were terribly broken and traumatized. Like any human, their responses to their experiences and to their survival varied — some could never sleep through the night again; some moved on in ways that are almost incomprehensible. Some were kind, and some were bitter… just human beings struggling. Some had survival guilt, some did not. Let’s not make their experience uniform… it was not.
Michael Kaftor
01:37:31
Check wikipedia for Three Oaths .. the second of one says the God sworn Israel not to resist our oppressors .. and such was the state of mind .. and since there was no place to go .. Twain, "you were kicked out of each and every town in Europe" .. they was no point of fighting ..
Deborah
01:37:57
Please read page 5 of today's pdf that Rachel posted by Gouri:
Deborah
01:38:28
It is an interview to Zika, the journal of the Yad Vashem Education department
Kitty Hoffman
01:38:51
I think it is the ultimate of arrogance to presume to ‘explain’ the actions of over 8million individuals. I agree with the comment that every story is different.
Diana Heller Friedman
01:39:11
Agreed, Rachel and Kitty!
Sandee Holleb
01:39:14
Every story has nobility
Michael Kaftor
01:40:05
Thank you Sandee ... our own religion commands us, who is a wise man who can learn from everyone
Michael Kaftor
01:42:50
Our bible tells of a similar situation of our people upon first attempt to enter Israel .. it was a generation of slaves who saw themselves as grasshappers .. for which the Jews had to wonder the deseret for forty years
Wendy Liebow
01:42:54
Same links for the 2 new programs?
Marilyn and Peter Bernstein
01:48:31
Cannot see avner
Marilyn and Peter Bernstein
01:48:41
Can Rachel do something
Sheri Morrison
01:48:43
I see him
Rabbi Jessica Spitalnic Mates
01:48:52
go to speaker view if you cant see him
Me Barenholtz
01:48:54
I see him.
Madene Shachar
01:48:54
Use Speaker View
Jan Frisch
01:48:59
I see him
jeremy
01:49:05
Click on ‘speaker view’ on the top right of the screen
Jon Tepper in Tucson
01:51:52
i have that same story of Leica camera, purchased by my late father-in law, a refugee from Vienna who arrived in New York in 1939. it's a classic, and one of most popular in the late '40s and '50s.
Me Barenholtz
01:52:08
'The People vs. Fritz Bauer' is a good movie about Fritz Bauer
Yiftach Levy
01:52:17
Operation Finale is available on Hulu (subscription required): https://www.hulu.com/watch/afd7bb55-a4b8-429c-a5c0-0d0c64631002and Amazon Prime (with subscription): https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/amzn1.dv.gti.aeb2bec7-b228-ad7e-675a-c71abd629a44
Deb Solo
01:54:00
please stay muted
Madene Shachar
02:10:40
Also on Netflix
Jan Frisch
02:13:23
This is so fascinating!
Randi Brenowitz
02:16:00
it is hard to cut and paste from this chat. can folks also post the links in the Facebook group? if it is easy
stanleykay
02:16:22
How old is he now, and how young was he then? He looks so young now!
Erica Sokoloff
02:17:02
The link to the Jerusalem Post story is already there:)
Randi Brenowitz
02:17:16
thanks
Erica Sokoloff
02:21:45
Thanks to Chumi for posting
Mitchel Slomiak
02:22:13
Thank you so very much, Avner and Rachel!!
rachel amaru
02:22:50
thank you so much, rachel. very special class.
Nachama/Chumi Kanner
02:22:57
I already posted on FB.
Randi Brenowitz
02:23:02
Rachel and Avnet, thanks so much
Ruth Kaplan
02:23:14
Thank you Rachel!!
Sarah Schachter
02:23:40
Thank you Rachel and Avner!
Brian Sindel
02:24:01
thank you, Shalom and stay sage
Tova Shimon
02:24:12
Toda Rabba!
Erica Sokoloff
02:24:13
Chag Sameach v' todah rabah!
Heather Silverman
02:24:14
Extraordinary behind the scenes information.
Mel Barenholtz
02:24:15
Chag Sameach - Shabbat Shalom.
Tova Shimon
02:24:29
Hag SameachveShabbat Shalom
Rochelle's iPhone
02:24:32
thank you Rachel and Avner
Varda Farber
02:24:34
Thank you Rachel. It has been illuminating. Shavuot Samech. See you in June
jeremy
02:25:13
שבת שלום וחג שמח! תודה!
ehpressmang@gmail.com
02:25:15
Very special session-today to Rachel and Avner!
roy and leora
02:25:26
Today rabbah to Rahel and Avner
Rosemary Linsider
02:25:27
Thank you Rachel and Avner! Amazing! Chag Sameach!
Anna Szeszler
02:25:52
Amaising evening!
Robert Gerwin and Ruth Assal
02:26:13
Aamazing program. After the program at Pardes I bought Gouri’s book and then found out that my friend Mike Swirsky who translated Gouri had long conversations with him.
Rabbi Jessica Spitalnic Mates
02:26:51
I found the stamp on ebay of the six million and Hausners arm
Heather Silverman
02:30:11
To Daniel Cohen,
Heather Silverman
02:30:41
I've also been attending the lectures, day after day. Pleased to see you too. Heather Silverman
Jon Tepper in Tucson
02:31:11
Todah rabba to Rachel (as always) and to Avner. even though I was only 8 years old, I remember my parents watching the evening news every weeknight in the spring of 1962 --the daily from the trial was big news in the US.
Sheldon & Harriet
02:40:16
Yet anotherb
Sheldon & Harriet
02:41:30
Yet another session to remember and ponder. Todah Rachel. Todah Avner.
Sarilyn's iPhone
02:42:44
Avner were you a consultant to hunters?
Paula J
02:45:57
Todah, Avner and Rachel. So interesting. Hag Sameah!
Avner Avraham
02:47:43
Visit my website aavner.com
Avner Avraham
02:47:52
avner@aavner.com
Sarilyn's iPhone
02:50:10
all Jews of the world captured him.
Kitty Hoffman
02:51:34
Yes, Rachel. exactly.
Kitty Hoffman
02:54:11
My parents also felt that the lives they had created, and especially their child (me) and grandchildren (my kids) were a victory.
Rabbi Jessica Spitalnic Mates
02:54:27
Ben Ferencz the last living prosecutor from the Nuremberg trials was also at our lawyers event with Avner last year. That is the 100 year old man he was referring to
Sheri Morrison
02:56:02
Was the reason for getting Eichmann’s signature to indicate that he was coming voluntarily, i.e. not against his will which could cause the airport authorities to delay the process while they investigate the situation?
lauren shachar
02:58:18
Thank you Rachal and Avner for this evening. Hag sameach.
Sheri Morrison
03:03:40
It’s Eichmann’s son, who had nothing to do with his father’s crimes.
stanleykay
03:04:17
I thought he said he was going to meet the prof Eichmann but he died,
Sheri Morrison
03:04:44
I think the person who asked Avner to accompany him died.
stanleykay
03:05:05
Ah, thanks
Deborah
03:05:39
It was Rafi Eitan who invited Avner to meet the son, and Eitan died.
Daniel Cohen
03:05:53
Aver, Come to Miami and I will help organize a talk
gila
03:05:56
Rachel, I’m grateful to hear what you’ve just told us of your mother’s story.
Kitty Hoffman
03:06:08
Extraordinary session. Todah rabba.
Nachama/Chumi Kanner
03:07:16
fantastic lecture. thank you Rachel and Avner. chag sameach Shabbat shalom
Steven Broder
03:07:24
I also appreciated your stories about your Mom; it epitomizes what you've ben teaching. Chag Sameach and Shabbat Shalom. Great class and thanks also to Avner.
Daniel Cohen
03:08:17
please inbox me and I will help organize it
Ed Grossman
03:08:40
Toda raba and chag sameach.
phyllis gilmore
03:08:47
Riveting session by an insider. Compelling, eye-opening, informative. Thank you. Phyllis
Sheri Morrison
03:09:00
Yes!
Deborah
03:09:03
Toda rabah for another extraordinary concluding session for this portion of learning.
gila
03:09:35
Thank you Rachel and Avner!
gavrielle
03:09:54
Thank you Rachel and Avner.
stanleykay
03:09:55
Today, repeating what everyone has said!
Aviva Lev-Ari
03:10:08
Happpy shavuot Aviva Lev-Ari
gavrielle
03:10:08
Chag sameyah and Shabbat Shalom.
Cheryl’s iPad
03:15:41
Thank you Rachel Avner and Jessica Chag Shameach