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When We Fight, We Win! Implications for Counseling Psychology from Black Trans Intersectional Liberation Movements with Mariah Moore, J’ai Celestial, Shavers, and Toni-Michelle Williams - Shared screen with speaker view
Christin Mujica
36:42
Christin (she/them) in Arkansas on Osage, Caddo, and Sioux land.
Mary O’Leary Wiley
37:37
Thank you panelists for being here! Mary O'Leary Wiley (she/her) in Pennsylvania.
Halleh Hashtpari
37:46
Halleh here from Salt Lake City, Utah (they/them) on Shoshone, Paiute, Ute and Goshute land.
Brandy Smith
38:18
Brandy Smith (she/her) in Auburn, AL
Benjamin Gulick
38:37
Ben (he/his) in Kansas City, MO
Daniela Burnworth
38:43
Daniela Burnworth (She/her) - Dayton Ohio -- Shawnee, Miami, Osage, Hopewell, Adena land
Bonnie Benson-Palmgren
38:47
Bonnie Benson-Palmgren (she/her) here from U of Washington Tacoma on Puyallup land.
Amy Reynolds
38:52
Amy (she/her) in Buffalo NY on unceded Haudenosaunee land.
Peter Ehlinger
39:08
Peter (he/him) in Eugene, Oregon on unceded Kalapuya land.
Kimberly Burdine
39:14
Kimberly Burdine (she/her) on the land of Kiikaapoi (Kickapoo) and Wichita
Christine Davis
39:18
Chrissy Davis (she/her) in Dallas, TX
Kwajelyn Jackson
39:32
Kwajelyn Jackson (she,her) land of the Muscogee people (Atlanta); sister of Skyler, fan and comrade of Toni-Michelle
ZEINAB MOUZANNAR
39:36
Zeinab( she/her) from Detroit, Michigan
Della Mosley
39:37
Thank you for this convo. Della Mosley (she/her) in Rockford, IL on Sioux, Potawatomi, and Winnebago land.
Cara Struble
39:42
Cara Struble (she/her) in New Haven, CT
Marisa Moore
40:47
Marisa Moore (she/ella) in the Hudson Valley, NY, on Lenape and Mohican land. Thank you for this event!
Marisa Moore
40:57
WOOOO!!!
ZEINAB MOUZANNAR
40:59
WOO!!
Nicole Fogwell
40:59
Thank you!!
Eric Layland
41:01
Eric Layland (he/him) in PA on Susquehannock land. Thank you, very excited!
Amy Reynolds
41:01
welcome
Benjamin Gulick
41:03
Thank you!
Heidi Zetzer
41:04
Thank you!
Brandy Smith
41:06
snaps and claps
Sree Sinha
41:08
BIG LOVE!!!!!
Kimberly Burdine
41:09
Hello!!!!!!! Gratitude
Bryana French
41:10
Yaaaaas!!!!! Thank you so much - for being you and all that you do
Shawntell Pace
41:11
Thank you!!!! *snaps*
Christine Davis
41:11
Thank you! Excited to learn!
Della Mosley
41:13
WE SEE YOU - thank you!
Cory Cascalheira
41:15
Cory Cascalheira (he/they), Las Cruces, NM, Manso tribe. Thank you for being here!!!!!
Heidi Zetzer
41:23
Heidi Zetzer (she/her/hers) Santa Barbara, CA, Chumash land
Anneliese (she/they)
41:57
So good to see you beloved SCP community!!!! <3 <3
Heidi Breaux
41:58
Heidi Breaux (she/they) living in New Orleans on Chitimacha, Atakapa, Caddo, Choctaw, Houma, Natchez, and Tunica land.
Malin Fors
42:11
Malin Fors, I´m a Swedish lesbian living in Arctic Norway, (Hammerfest). It’s the indigenous land of the Sami people.
Anneliese (she/they)
42:26
Welcome Malin!!!
Sruthi Swami
42:30
Sruthi Swami (she/her) from Santa Barbara, CA on Chumash land
Stephanie Budge
42:55
Stephanie Budge (she/her), Ho-Chunk land now known as Madison, Wisconsin. Hello and thank you all so much!
Shannon Skaistis
43:16
Shannon (she/they) Milwaukee, WI Potawatomi, Ho-Chunk and Menominee land on the beautiful Michigami — Thanks all!
Emily El-Oqlah
43:17
Emily El-Oqlah (she/hers) Memphis, TN. Chickasaw land. GRATEFUL for you all and this space!
Anneliese (she/they)
43:33
Aria Said is amazing - follow on all Aria’s social - https://ariasaid.com/
Carmen Cruz (she/her)
44:07
Yes yes yes!!!!
Michelle Murray
44:11
Michelle Murray (She/her) Philadelphia, PA on Lenape land. Thank you all so much for this space!
Sree Sinha
44:43
Sree Sinha (she/her) living in Denver on stolen Cheyenne, Ute, and Sioux land. So glad to be here!!
Anneliese (she/they)
45:33
House of Tulip is over half-way to its goal of raising $400K and is Black and Brown-trans led providing housing - please contribute in all the ways you can! Houseoftulip.org
https://gf.me/u/x995zv
Anneliese (she/they)
46:43
House of Tulip is over half-way to its goal of raising $400K and is Black and Brown-trans led providing housing - please contribute in all the ways you can! Houseoftulip.org
https://gf.me/u/x995zv
Whitney Wheeler
47:04
Whitney Wheeler (she/her) Austin, TX on Tonkawa and Comanche land. Hello all!
G Wei Ng
47:46
G Wei (she/her) Ellicott City, MD on Piscataway land. Thankful for you all and this space!
Tiffany O'Shaughnessy (she/her)
49:07
Hi All, I'm Tiffany O'Shaughnessy (she/her) joining from Oakland, CA on Ohlone land, I am so appreciative already of what's being shared
Anneliese (she/they)
49:09
Mariah mentioned Aria Said who is amazing - follow on all Aria’s social - https://ariasaid.com/
Tiffany O'Shaughnessy (she/her)
50:02
My zoom crashed earlier, would it be possible to re-share the link for the organization that is being fundraised for?
Anneliese (she/they)
50:06
Follow Toni-Michelle’s work here - Sign up for our newsletter at www.snap4freedom.org
You can join SNaPCO’s membership www.snap4freedom.org/join
Anneliese (she/they)
50:48
Yep Tiffany - here is House of Tulip - led by Jai’ and Mariah - House of Tulip is over half-way to its goal of raising $400K and is Black and Brown-trans led providing housing - please contribute in all the ways you can! Houseoftulip.org
https://gf.me/u/x995zv
Anneliese (she/they)
55:07
Thank you Dantavious - this is one of the most conversations we will have in our lifetimes…and to really move from this convo to action <3
Anneliese (she/they)
55:12
So glad you are here!
Anneliese (she/they)
55:53
“You have to be rooted in liberation”
Anneliese (she/they)
58:57
From Toni-Michelle on liberation: “it is a both-and – seeking and right to freedom from oppressive systems but also seeking a freedom within yourself
Tiffany O'Shaughnessy (she/her)
01:05:16
Shenanigans and bullshit is my new favorite way to describe white supremacy and patriarchy
Amy Reynolds
01:05:57
Agreed Tiffany
Anneliese (she/they)
01:07:15
100% Tiffany!
Anneliese (she/they)
01:08:10
Ya’ll…imagine the counseling psychology we can build that builds a world where this convo doesn’t need to happen within our profession…that’s a start we can work on RIGHT now.
Tiffany O'Shaughnessy (she/her)
01:08:19
"Holding holding holding so much and not feeling safe to seek therapy." -Thanks for sharing this challenge to all of us
Amy Reynolds
01:10:07
Harm is absolutely and deeply embedded in our institutions
Kwajelyn Jackson
01:10:11
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tiffany O'Shaughnessy (she/her)
01:10:22
"Competent, educated, POLITICIZED professionals that are going to help us more than they are going to harm us." YES!!! <3
Shawntell Pace
01:10:37
^^^ YESSS
Shannon Franklin
01:11:08
I agreed! All psychologist should be politicized!
Amy Reynolds
01:11:15
Going there all of the way; I am not sure we are even halfway
Julia Phillips she/her
01:11:35
Thank you, Mariah - we need to hear this and are listening.
Anneliese (she/they)
01:12:13
True Amy!
Toni-michelle williams
01:12:40
Girl u better turn off that video
Anneliese (she/they)
01:12:44
Agreed Nana…thank you for being here!
Anneliese (she/they)
01:16:14
Folx - we have lots more convo to have (through 6:30pm) and if you have questions, drop them in the Q&A box
Anneliese (she/they)
01:20:07
Folx - the poll says it all…..not everyone completed…but the results aren’t surprising…90% no training in our programs in serving Black trans and noxnbinary communities.
Evelyn Hunter
01:20:34
Committing to actively changing those poll results in my training program. We gotta do WORK
Marisa Moore
01:20:47
I appreciate Skyler asking this as we get to witness their joy right now!@
Amy Reynolds
01:20:47
Agreed Evelyn
Emily El-Oqlah
01:20:54
I love that question :)
Anneliese (she/they)
01:20:55
<3Evelyn<3
Brandy Smith
01:21:43
YAY @Evelyn!!
Della Mosley
01:22:19
YESSSSSSSS
Shannon Franklin
01:22:20
ay!!!!! yes beauty!
Asia Amos
01:22:31
THE SKIN!!!!
Anneliese (she/they)
01:23:09
“The healing we do is sooooo fucking beautiful!!”
Sue Motulsky
01:23:29
Love this question and how it made the panelists smile and now their responses are making me smile. Love it! Sue
Sree Sinha
01:25:50
That brings me big joy too <3 Proud to be in community with you all
Anneliese (she/they)
01:29:27
It’s awesome to have you here Zari and have a wonderful online class! <3
Anneliese (she/they)
01:30:20
YESSSS Skyler!!!
Carmen Cruz (she/her)
01:31:34
Thank you Toni-michelle!!
Mariah Moore She/Her
01:31:37
Insta @themariahmoore
Anneliese (she/they)
01:33:34
<3 <3 Juan <3 <3
Dantavious Hicks
01:35:08
👏🏾👏🏾
Charisse Jackson
01:35:11
Toni-Michelle ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Katherine Melo Li
01:35:32
I love this context, thank you so much
Brandy Smith
01:36:03
thank you
Della Mosley
01:36:11
Thank you for your words and your work and all of the lessons you gave us today. I will fight tot be accountable to them!
Sree Sinha
01:36:17
Thank you for your work and your joy!!!!!
Amy Reynolds
01:36:22
You are amazing Toni-MIchelle. We so appreciate the work you are doing
David Zelaya
01:36:25
Thank you!
Tiffany O'Shaughnessy (she/her)
01:36:32
Thank you!!
Sarah VanMattson
01:36:41
Thank you Toni-Michelle, so much love
Heidi Zetzer
01:36:47
Thank you!!!!
Amy Reynolds
01:40:07
So sorry for the harm you experienced. We must do better.
Evelyn Hunter
01:41:09
this is so heartbreaking.... and a wake up call. We have to pursue liberation . it’s a matter of life or death
Tiffany O'Shaughnessy (she/her)
01:41:20
I. would. be. dead. right. now. - taking this in and making sure I do more.
Tiffany O'Shaughnessy (she/her)
01:41:47
"How many children have you seen"
Tiffany O'Shaughnessy (she/her)
01:42:06
"How many have you harmed" yes, so real, and so heavy
Anneliese (she/they)
01:42:10
Yes Evelyn - our hearts can break open to hold more love and accountability. And SCP community - I can’t wait to keep having this convo and dialogue with you on new actions…
Julia Phillips she/her
01:42:34
Your life was in her hands and she failed you.
Amy Reynolds
01:43:35
Therapy must not be another fight for your life. It must affirm your life.
Anneliese (she/they)
01:43:47
Wow…
Sue Motulsky
01:43:52
So powerful. Wish Mariah could share this with every Counseling Psychology student and professional. We have to change this!
Linda Forrest
01:44:05
we need to find our way to a deep and profound apology for those who have been harmed by our ignornance
Brandy Smith
01:44:16
Thank you for knowing better than what you were told and not only surviving but thriving and helping improve what counseling provides
Anneliese (she/they)
01:44:19
This is recorded Sue…will be up soon…
Anneliese (she/they)
01:44:25
And yes Shantel
Evelyn Hunter
01:44:27
this entire session should play in every Counseling Psych classroom
Chelse Lang
01:44:48
Yes, Evelyn! Agreed
Anneliese (she/they)
01:44:56
FYI - bad storm in ATL….hope power stays on.
Heidi Breaux
01:45:43
I am so sorry Mariah. That's horrible! Sending you a hug <3 Pathologizing transgender and gender diverse people by therapists needs to stop. It's harm, abuse, and dangerous.. it needs to end.
Julia Phillips she/her
01:45:49
yes, Linda, deep apology.
Anneliese (she/they)
01:46:20
Agreed Linda….our apologies are important…and we can fund this work.
Sam del Castillo
01:46:25
Gatekeeping is a huge issue as well and frequently therapists do not acknowledge this or see a problem with it
Anneliese (she/they)
01:46:35
House of Tulip is over half-way to its goal of raising $400K and is Black and Brown-trans led providing housing - please contribute in all the ways you can! Houseoftulip.org
https://gf.me/u/x995zv
Amy Reynolds
01:47:11
Its hard to gatekeeper when so many faculty are so far behind and do not have this knowledge and understanmding
Brooke Rappaport
01:47:41
^^yes, amy. we really need so much change
Anneliese (she/they)
01:48:36
National survey from Trevor Project 2020 just released: https://www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2020/?section=Conversion-Therapy-Change-Attempts
Anneliese (she/they)
01:49:02
(and their race analysis was not great)
Dantavious Hicks
01:49:17
We all need to hear this - counselor educators, students, practitioners! Our training models need major transformation. They need to be deconstructed.
Peter Ehlinger
01:49:53
^^^^^ Yes! Absolutely need to be re-worked.
Shon Smith
01:50:21
We as clinicians have to do the work, we have to be trained clinically, we have to be trained as advocates and we must apply and practice this training with purpose, intentionality, humanity and respect.
Katherine Melo Li
01:50:59
yes Shon!
Heidi Breaux
01:52:06
There also needs to be an effort by providers to connect and UPLIFT our community. Not just attending a 2 hour CEU training once a year on work hours. Trainings on the transgender and gender diverse community need to center anti-racism, or they do not serve the needs of the community.
Anneliese (she/they)
01:53:04
Sooooo true Heidi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And not come a trans and noxnbinary “specialist” to make a living off of TNB folx.
Dantavious Hicks
01:53:55
and this is why liberation is important!
Anneliese (she/they)
01:53:56
And agree with you Dantavious <3 - decolonizing our syllabi is a first step
Shon Smith
01:54:25
Basic needs.... investment in people
Abby Sharer
01:54:31
Yes Anneliese!! too many folk talk the talk because they’ve been to one hour-long session and do nothing else to fight the systems that exist and that keep those in need of resources and validation down and disadvantages, when they should be the ones in this room right now
Amy Reynolds
01:55:16
We must give our time and our treasure in our communities. I am committed to getting involved in my community.
Anneliese (she/they)
01:55:24
Thank you Abby! I agree…and we can start with us in the room…I’ve been deepening my understanding of reparations….and there is so much more to do: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/24/magazine/reparations-slavery.html
Anneliese (she/they)
01:56:09
Yessss Jieyi…and QTPOC folx in training experience so much of what Mariah and Jai’ are talking about…
Brandy Smith
01:56:40
yes!
Brandy Smith
01:56:54
highlights how important it is for us to do work with youth!!
Dantavious Hicks
01:57:00
We have to seek the knowledge, show up for the community first… rather than being clinicians that burden the client with educating us.
Charisse Jackson
01:57:12
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽Skyler!
Shon Smith
01:57:16
It is very much time to longer be a bystander and lean into being, becoming or sustaining being Anti-Racist
Shon Smith
01:57:36
People, people, people
Brandy Smith
01:57:39
YES! a loved one!
Brandy Smith
01:57:53
facilitates that connection instead if distancing
Christine Davis
01:59:03
This has been such an important discussion. Thank you all so much for coming together to create this space today to aid us as clinicians in our journey to educate ourselves.
Linda Forrest
01:59:38
yes, “treat us as one of your family members.” No “othering” in the therapy room.
Shon Smith
01:59:59
Good stuff... Great dialogue... Thank you for being valuable to share. Anneliese, thank you sharing and panelist thank you for sharing this space with us.... with me.
Brandy Smith
02:00:00
I commit to making sure these conversations are happening in supervision and our Diversity Seminar
Della Mosley
02:00:26
We owe you so much. Listening, donating, and following your lead will be my start. Thank you all for a powerful and beautiful conversation.
Charisse Jackson
02:00:27
Thank you ALL!!! This was so awesome.
Julia Phillips she/her
02:00:28
Thank you for helping us enact our values by sharing yourselves. We are so enriched by knowing you. I will be sharing this webinar in my practicum class.
Amy Reynolds
02:00:32
grateful
Shon Smith
02:00:39
Grateful!
Chelse Lang
02:00:39
Honored
Malin Fors
02:00:41
<3
Benjamin Fetzner
02:00:42
Grateful and humbled
Christine Davis
02:00:44
connected
Sarah VanMattson
02:00:44
Energized
Heidi Breaux
02:00:45
Love
Marisa Moore
02:00:45
Energized
Brandy Smith
02:00:45
and further working to make sure our students know we are there for them as they truly are, not how some people may have told them to be!
Julia Phillips she/her
02:00:45
Enriched
Faithlynn Morris
02:00:46
thankful
Tiffany O'Shaughnessy (she/her)
02:00:46
Challenged and appreciated
Emily El-Oqlah
02:00:47
READY TO WORK
Heidi Zetzer
02:00:48
motovated
Daniela Burnworth
02:00:49
committed
Em Matsuno (they/them)
02:00:49
Moved
Abby Sharer
02:00:51
rejuvinated
Linda Forrest
02:00:51
ready to work
Brooke Rappaport
02:00:55
grateful
Dantavious Hicks
02:00:58
REFILLED.
Peter Ehlinger
02:00:59
Moved and reinvigorated
Lauryn Muir
02:01:01
I feel very seen an validated. As a black queer woman going into my Masters program I’m happy I have these resources
Brandy Smith
02:01:01
appreciative
Sue Motulsky
02:01:04
Grateful and empowered and humbled and inspired and on an on Thank you!!!
Jioni Lewis
02:01:11
Grateful!!
Michelle Murray
02:01:17
greatful and energized to do work!
Erin McConocha
02:01:18
Thankful..thank you all!
David Zelaya
02:01:18
Accountability
Britney Brinkman
02:01:32
inspired and grateful
Asia Amos
02:01:55
inspired!
Dantavious Hicks
02:02:20
thank you all.
Batsirai Bvunzawabaya
02:02:23
Thank you!
Brandy Smith
02:02:29
we shall make it so!
Heidi Zetzer
02:02:31
Grateful for collective leadership!
Abby Sharer
02:02:34
words cannot express my gratitude, but I’ll start with THANK YOU!!
Cara Struble
02:02:40
Thank you everyone. This was beautiful
John Pachankis
02:02:41
Thank you, all, for this opportunity!
Brooke Rappaport
02:02:42
<3
Chelse Lang
02:02:46
thank you!
Christine Davis
02:02:46
thank you!!