When We Fight, We Win! Implications for Counseling Psychology from Black Trans Intersectional Liberation Movements with Mariah Moore, J’ai Celestial, Shavers, and Toni-Michelle Williams
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Christin (she/them) in Arkansas on Osage, Caddo, and Sioux land.

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Thank you panelists for being here! Mary O'Leary Wiley (she/her) in Pennsylvania.

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Halleh here from Salt Lake City, Utah (they/them) on Shoshone, Paiute, Ute and Goshute land.

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Brandy Smith (she/her) in Auburn, AL

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Ben (he/his) in Kansas City, MO

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Daniela Burnworth (She/her) - Dayton Ohio -- Shawnee, Miami, Osage, Hopewell, Adena land

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Bonnie Benson-Palmgren (she/her) here from U of Washington Tacoma on Puyallup land.

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Amy (she/her) in Buffalo NY on unceded Haudenosaunee land.

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Peter (he/him) in Eugene, Oregon on unceded Kalapuya land.

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Kimberly Burdine (she/her) on the land of Kiikaapoi (Kickapoo) and Wichita

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Chrissy Davis (she/her) in Dallas, TX

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Kwajelyn Jackson (she,her) land of the Muscogee people (Atlanta); sister of Skyler, fan and comrade of Toni-Michelle

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Zeinab( she/her) from Detroit, Michigan

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Thank you for this convo. Della Mosley (she/her) in Rockford, IL on Sioux, Potawatomi, and Winnebago land.

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Cara Struble (she/her) in New Haven, CT

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Marisa Moore (she/ella) in the Hudson Valley, NY, on Lenape and Mohican land. Thank you for this event!

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WOOOO!!!

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WOO!!

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Thank you!!

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Eric Layland (he/him) in PA on Susquehannock land. Thank you, very excited!

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welcome

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Thank you!

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Thank you!

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snaps and claps

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BIG LOVE!!!!!

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Hello!!!!!!! Gratitude

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Yaaaaas!!!!! Thank you so much - for being you and all that you do

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Thank you!!!! *snaps*

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Thank you! Excited to learn!

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WE SEE YOU - thank you!

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Cory Cascalheira (he/they), Las Cruces, NM, Manso tribe. Thank you for being here!!!!!

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Heidi Zetzer (she/her/hers) Santa Barbara, CA, Chumash land

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So good to see you beloved SCP community!!!! <3 <3

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Heidi Breaux (she/they) living in New Orleans on Chitimacha, Atakapa, Caddo, Choctaw, Houma, Natchez, and Tunica land.

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Malin Fors, I´m a Swedish lesbian living in Arctic Norway, (Hammerfest). It’s the indigenous land of the Sami people.

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Welcome Malin!!!

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Sruthi Swami (she/her) from Santa Barbara, CA on Chumash land

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Stephanie Budge (she/her), Ho-Chunk land now known as Madison, Wisconsin. Hello and thank you all so much!

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Shannon (she/they) Milwaukee, WI Potawatomi, Ho-Chunk and Menominee land on the beautiful Michigami — Thanks all!

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Emily El-Oqlah (she/hers) Memphis, TN. Chickasaw land. GRATEFUL for you all and this space!

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Aria Said is amazing - follow on all Aria’s social - https://ariasaid.com/

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Yes yes yes!!!!

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Michelle Murray (She/her) Philadelphia, PA on Lenape land. Thank you all so much for this space!

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Sree Sinha (she/her) living in Denver on stolen Cheyenne, Ute, and Sioux land. So glad to be here!!

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House of Tulip is over half-way to its goal of raising $400K and is Black and Brown-trans led providing housing - please contribute in all the ways you can! Houseoftulip.org
https://gf.me/u/x995zv

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House of Tulip is over half-way to its goal of raising $400K and is Black and Brown-trans led providing housing - please contribute in all the ways you can! Houseoftulip.org
https://gf.me/u/x995zv

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Whitney Wheeler (she/her) Austin, TX on Tonkawa and Comanche land. Hello all!

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G Wei (she/her) Ellicott City, MD on Piscataway land. Thankful for you all and this space!

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Hi All, I'm Tiffany O'Shaughnessy (she/her) joining from Oakland, CA on Ohlone land, I am so appreciative already of what's being shared

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Mariah mentioned Aria Said who is amazing - follow on all Aria’s social - https://ariasaid.com/

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My zoom crashed earlier, would it be possible to re-share the link for the organization that is being fundraised for?

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Follow Toni-Michelle’s work here - Sign up for our newsletter at www.snap4freedom.org
You can join SNaPCO’s membership www.snap4freedom.org/join

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Yep Tiffany - here is House of Tulip - led by Jai’ and Mariah - House of Tulip is over half-way to its goal of raising $400K and is Black and Brown-trans led providing housing - please contribute in all the ways you can! Houseoftulip.org
https://gf.me/u/x995zv

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Thank you Dantavious - this is one of the most conversations we will have in our lifetimes…and to really move from this convo to action <3

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So glad you are here!

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“You have to be rooted in liberation”

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From Toni-Michelle on liberation: “it is a both-and – seeking and right to freedom from oppressive systems but also seeking a freedom within yourself

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Shenanigans and bullshit is my new favorite way to describe white supremacy and patriarchy

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Agreed Tiffany

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100% Tiffany!

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Ya’ll…imagine the counseling psychology we can build that builds a world where this convo doesn’t need to happen within our profession…that’s a start we can work on RIGHT now.

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"Holding holding holding so much and not feeling safe to seek therapy." -Thanks for sharing this challenge to all of us

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Harm is absolutely and deeply embedded in our institutions

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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"Competent, educated, POLITICIZED professionals that are going to help us more than they are going to harm us." YES!!! <3

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^^^ YESSS

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I agreed! All psychologist should be politicized!

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Going there all of the way; I am not sure we are even halfway

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Thank you, Mariah - we need to hear this and are listening.

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True Amy!

01:12:40
Girl u better turn off that video

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Agreed Nana…thank you for being here!

01:16:14
Folx - we have lots more convo to have (through 6:30pm) and if you have questions, drop them in the Q&A box

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Folx - the poll says it all…..not everyone completed…but the results aren’t surprising…90% no training in our programs in serving Black trans and noxnbinary communities.

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Committing to actively changing those poll results in my training program. We gotta do WORK

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I appreciate Skyler asking this as we get to witness their joy right now!@

01:20:47
Agreed Evelyn

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I love that question :)

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<3Evelyn<3

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YAY @Evelyn!!

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YESSSSSSSS

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ay!!!!! yes beauty!

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THE SKIN!!!!

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“The healing we do is sooooo fucking beautiful!!”

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Love this question and how it made the panelists smile and now their responses are making me smile. Love it! Sue

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That brings me big joy too <3 Proud to be in community with you all

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It’s awesome to have you here Zari and have a wonderful online class! <3

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YESSSS Skyler!!!

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Thank you Toni-michelle!!

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Insta @themariahmoore

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<3 <3 Juan <3 <3

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👏🏾👏🏾

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Toni-Michelle ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

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I love this context, thank you so much

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thank you

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Thank you for your words and your work and all of the lessons you gave us today. I will fight tot be accountable to them!

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Thank you for your work and your joy!!!!!

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You are amazing Toni-MIchelle. We so appreciate the work you are doing

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Thank you!

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Thank you!!

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Thank you Toni-Michelle, so much love

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Thank you!!!!

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So sorry for the harm you experienced. We must do better.

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this is so heartbreaking.... and a wake up call. We have to pursue liberation . it’s a matter of life or death

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I. would. be. dead. right. now. - taking this in and making sure I do more.

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"How many children have you seen"

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"How many have you harmed" yes, so real, and so heavy

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Yes Evelyn - our hearts can break open to hold more love and accountability. And SCP community - I can’t wait to keep having this convo and dialogue with you on new actions…

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Your life was in her hands and she failed you.

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Therapy must not be another fight for your life. It must affirm your life.

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Wow…

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So powerful. Wish Mariah could share this with every Counseling Psychology student and professional. We have to change this!

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we need to find our way to a deep and profound apology for those who have been harmed by our ignornance

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Thank you for knowing better than what you were told and not only surviving but thriving and helping improve what counseling provides

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This is recorded Sue…will be up soon…

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And yes Shantel

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this entire session should play in every Counseling Psych classroom

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Yes, Evelyn! Agreed

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FYI - bad storm in ATL….hope power stays on.

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I am so sorry Mariah. That's horrible! Sending you a hug <3 Pathologizing transgender and gender diverse people by therapists needs to stop. It's harm, abuse, and dangerous.. it needs to end.

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yes, Linda, deep apology.

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Agreed Linda….our apologies are important…and we can fund this work.

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Gatekeeping is a huge issue as well and frequently therapists do not acknowledge this or see a problem with it

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House of Tulip is over half-way to its goal of raising $400K and is Black and Brown-trans led providing housing - please contribute in all the ways you can! Houseoftulip.org
https://gf.me/u/x995zv

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Its hard to gatekeeper when so many faculty are so far behind and do not have this knowledge and understanmding

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^^yes, amy. we really need so much change

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National survey from Trevor Project 2020 just released: https://www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2020/?section=Conversion-Therapy-Change-Attempts

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(and their race analysis was not great)

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We all need to hear this - counselor educators, students, practitioners! Our training models need major transformation. They need to be deconstructed.

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^^^^^ Yes! Absolutely need to be re-worked.

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We as clinicians have to do the work, we have to be trained clinically, we have to be trained as advocates and we must apply and practice this training with purpose, intentionality, humanity and respect.

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yes Shon!

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There also needs to be an effort by providers to connect and UPLIFT our community. Not just attending a 2 hour CEU training once a year on work hours. Trainings on the transgender and gender diverse community need to center anti-racism, or they do not serve the needs of the community.

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Sooooo true Heidi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And not come a trans and noxnbinary “specialist” to make a living off of TNB folx.

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and this is why liberation is important!

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And agree with you Dantavious <3 - decolonizing our syllabi is a first step

01:54:25
Basic needs.... investment in people

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Yes Anneliese!! too many folk talk the talk because they’ve been to one hour-long session and do nothing else to fight the systems that exist and that keep those in need of resources and validation down and disadvantages, when they should be the ones in this room right now

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We must give our time and our treasure in our communities. I am committed to getting involved in my community.

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Thank you Abby! I agree…and we can start with us in the room…I’ve been deepening my understanding of reparations….and there is so much more to do: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/24/magazine/reparations-slavery.html

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Yessss Jieyi…and QTPOC folx in training experience so much of what Mariah and Jai’ are talking about…

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yes!

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highlights how important it is for us to do work with youth!!

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We have to seek the knowledge, show up for the community first… rather than being clinicians that burden the client with educating us.

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👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽Skyler!

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It is very much time to longer be a bystander and lean into being, becoming or sustaining being Anti-Racist

01:57:36
People, people, people

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YES! a loved one!

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facilitates that connection instead if distancing

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This has been such an important discussion. Thank you all so much for coming together to create this space today to aid us as clinicians in our journey to educate ourselves.

01:59:38
yes, “treat us as one of your family members.” No “othering” in the therapy room.

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Good stuff... Great dialogue... Thank you for being valuable to share. Anneliese, thank you sharing and panelist thank you for sharing this space with us.... with me.

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I commit to making sure these conversations are happening in supervision and our Diversity Seminar

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We owe you so much. Listening, donating, and following your lead will be my start. Thank you all for a powerful and beautiful conversation.

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Thank you ALL!!! This was so awesome.

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Thank you for helping us enact our values by sharing yourselves. We are so enriched by knowing you. I will be sharing this webinar in my practicum class.

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grateful

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Grateful!

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Honored

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<3

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Grateful and humbled

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connected

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Energized

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Love

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Energized

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and further working to make sure our students know we are there for them as they truly are, not how some people may have told them to be!

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Enriched

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thankful

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Challenged and appreciated

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READY TO WORK

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motovated

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committed

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Moved

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rejuvinated

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ready to work

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grateful

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REFILLED.

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Moved and reinvigorated

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I feel very seen an validated. As a black queer woman going into my Masters program I’m happy I have these resources

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appreciative

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Grateful and empowered and humbled and inspired and on an on Thank you!!!

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Grateful!!

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greatful and energized to do work!

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Thankful..thank you all!

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Accountability

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inspired and grateful

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inspired!

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thank you all.

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Thank you!

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we shall make it so!

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Grateful for collective leadership!

02:02:34
words cannot express my gratitude, but I’ll start with THANK YOU!!

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Thank you everyone. This was beautiful

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Thank you, all, for this opportunity!

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<3

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thank you!

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thank you!!