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shannonjarrott
20:40
I find myself wondering why I am including race in reporting results when I don’t have a theoretical or evidence-based reason to expect it to play a role in my results. Because if I don’t, reviewers will ask about it.
Julie Robison
23:51
Hi all, I am the editor of Journal of Applied Gerontology, sponsored by the Southern Gerontological Association. Very glad to respond and participate in his discussion!
Briana Mezuk
23:52
sorry I missed it :)
Rona Karasik
26:04
Hi everyone - glad to be here and hear your thoughts and concerns as well. I am an Associate Editor for Gerontology & Geriatrics Education (AGHE/GSA).
Briana Mezuk
26:59
i'll provide the citation for it
Briana Mezuk
27:20
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24887159/
Tamara Baker
27:29
All shared resources will be summarized and shared with participants.
Briana Mezuk
27:32
^^here it is
shannonjarrott
28:17
Thanks. I’d never have been able to sound out VanderWeele
Briana Mezuk
30:52
I love this paper on within group vs. between group differences which shows how they are answering DIFFERENT scientific questions: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20100631/
Emily Greenfield (she/hers), Rutgers University
31:31
Is GSA involved in creating guidelines or journal-wide policies on writing about age at the intersection of other social positions? My understanding is that other professional organizations with journals have engaged in this work.
Staja Booker
31:32
I run into the same issue. I try to explain very politely that it is important to understand within-group experiences, which does not mean I need to compare with other groups to fully understand how the phenomenon manifests in my group.
Staja Booker
33:01
I think too that comparisons can limit our understanding...
Deborah Robinson
41:46
The American Geriatrics Society stated: “The Society has set as the first objective that by 2031, 100% of research presented at the AGS Annual Scientific Meeting and published in the Journal of the American Geriatrics Society will reflect the diversity of the population being studied.”
Briana Mezuk
42:07
https://agsjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jgs.17053
Briana Mezuk
45:35
and dramatically impacts productivity
Tamara Baker
52:15
The other issue the needs to be addressed is content. So, outside of study design, what about those submissions that are editorials, review papers, position or concept papers that address issues such as disparities, inequities, etc.
Tamara Baker
54:18
Also, it was mentioned approaching the editor about issues with reviewers comments, etc. What about some junior scholars who may not be comfortable in doing that? How do we not discourage them from submitting, but also having that voice?
Briana Mezuk
54:48
absolutely - how do we evaluate what a "good question" is? and Deborah's comment on inclusion (equitable opportunity to engage in research/participate in the research process) a an ethical issue is really key
Elsa Strotmeyer
54:54
Here are some of the NYT coverage of the issues at JAMA in this week: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/01/health/jama-bauchner-racism.html and https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/02/health/jama-racism-bauchner.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article
Tamara Baker
57:19
I think having ongoing meetings/conversations among the GSA journal Editors so that there is consistency in the message.
Briana Mezuk
58:48
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32578504/
Emily Greenfield (she/hers), Rutgers University
59:15
One example of a resource regarding policy guidelines on race and ethnicity: https://www.apa.org/about/policy/summary-guidelines-race-ethnicity. I think it is reasonable to think that gerontologists can develop similar guidelines, given that our focus is on age (as a social position) at the intersection of other social positions--with more attention needed to race and ethnicity (from my vantage point).
Emily Greenfield (she/hers), Rutgers University
01:00:16
Also this--https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/new-ama-policies-recognize-race-social-not-biological-construct
Julie Robison
01:01:28
Emily's link above goes to a page no longer active - Emily, do you have another location for those guidelines?
Emily Greenfield (she/hers), Rutgers University
01:02:39
The AMA resource, in particular, showcases that these conversations are not just for the social gerontologists in our professional organization, but for the biomedical/biological researchers as well.
Emily Greenfield (she/hers), Rutgers University
01:02:41
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/new-ama-policies-recognize-race-social-not-biological-construct
Briana Mezuk
01:03:56
I also think not requiring exact formatting at the initial submission stage will encourage junior investigators to submit - several journals have relaxed that requirement (like social science & medicine)
Briana Mezuk
01:04:29
the formatting is required if the paper is invited for revision
Tamara Baker
01:05:31
Maybe have a symposium and/or workshop at a future GSA meeting on this topic
Deborah Robinson
01:06:18
That sounds like a great idea, Tamara.
Kate de Medeiros
01:06:59
I agree - It would also be great to have a recording or something that we could include in graduate course work. We teach a class on writing which something like this would be a great fit.
Briana Mezuk
01:07:05
i understand totally :)
Meeting Participant
01:07:09
I agree, we need to explore and address this much better than what we are doing at this point
Deborah Robinson
01:09:15
Tamara, where will the recordings of these Conversation Cafes be housed? They really serve well to the lead up to a GAS Workshop or seminar.
Julie Robison
01:11:43
Adding to Tamara's last comment, publishers have great resources for authors and reviewers to learn how to review and to write articles. SAGE Publishing has many tools.
James Appleby
01:11:44
https://www.geron.org/about-us/commitment-to-diversity-equity-and-inclusion
Emily Greenfield (she/hers), Rutgers University
01:12:05
Jim--How do people get on the DEI committee/working group?
Briana Mezuk
01:12:18
One more resource: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cEYu18ua8M9kIhddZ3WaXIyUxHuPdF9g4Ks5k5Z2Sdo/edit?usp=sharing
Staja Booker
01:12:26
Great discussion! Happy Friday.
Emily Greenfield (she/hers), Rutgers University
01:12:56
Thank you, everyone!
Mary Dozier
01:12:57
Thank you all!
Elsa Strotmeyer
01:12:57
Many thanks for having this discussion. Much needed and glad GSA is thinking about these publishing issues
James Appleby
01:13:05
The GSA Diversity & Justice Working Group members are appointed by the GSA President. The current members are listed.