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DAY ONE: Yovel: A Return To Ancestral Land Holdings - Shared screen with speaker view
Ayla (she/her)
16:38
Munsee Lenape land
Risa Alyson Cooper (she/her)
16:46
native-land.ca
Leroy (they/them)
16:51
The stolen land of the Tsalagi, Yuchi, and Catawba people
freygl (fae/r/s)
16:58
hi from Tkaronto/toronto on Anishnaabe, Wendat, Seneca, Petun, and most recently the Mississauga of the Credit land
Ben Weinberg (he/him)
17:06
For those of you who joined late - some housekeeping items!
Anika Rice | she/her | HoChunk lands
17:08
Anika (she/her) calling in from Hochunk lands or Southern Wisconsin 🙂
Jona (they/them)
17:09
Hi I’m jona joining from ancestral land of the duwamish, also known as Seattle, WA
Judy (she/her)
17:14
Grateful for SJ and Risa!
Jo (she/her)
17:19
Jo (she/her) stewarding Pocumtuc land, Connnecticut River Valley of Massachusetts. Grateful for this conversation. Thank you!
Maxie [they/she]
17:20
Siknikt district of Mikmawki homeland, also known as New Brunswick, Canada. I am grateful for neighbours who help plow out my house after a big storm!
freygl (fae/r/s)
17:22
grateful for giving community-held processes / emergence
Scott Hertzberg
17:27
Scott in West Haven Vermont by New York border
Ariel Aaronson-Eves (they/any)
17:31
Ariel from Abenaki/Pennacook land. Grateful for this opportunity to learn and reflect.
Jack (they/he) Kellner
17:33
grateful for central heating!
Tome (she/her)
17:47
Hi I'm Tome from Calusa Land, also known as Pine Island Florida, I'm grateful for your warm welcoming to this space!
Zoe Davidson
17:49
Kingston, ON, Haudenosaunee - grateful for this sunny day!
Leroy (they/them)
17:51
Grateful for medicine that grows from the land
Ilana (she/they)
17:52
Hello! Ilana here! Calling from Narragansett land in southern “Rhode Island”. Grateful this gathering and excited to learn new perspectives!
izzy p
17:55
Izzy (they/she) calling in from sissipahaw, shakori, lumbi, occoneechee territory in Saxapahaw nc
Rita Hindin (she/her)
17:56
Rita from Hochunk lands in south central WI; grateful for all the good energy for justice
Sarah/Soup
17:56
Sarah or Soup, they/them, living on Doeg land (Alexandria, VA)
Bella (she/her)
17:56
Calling in from Corchaug land, grateful for community!
Tracy Potter-Fins
17:58
Hello from Bitterroot Salish (Selis), Pend d’Oreille (Qlispe), Nez Perce (Nimiipuu), Coeur d’Alene (Skitswish), and Kootenai (Ktunaxa) land in MontanaGrateful for this space!
Jeff (he/him) & SJ's step-dad!!!
18:03
grateful that SJ shares her vision and passion with me/us.
jessica marshall (she/her)
18:04
Grateful for folks who are tackling questions I haven’t known how to ask
Rebecca Croog
18:07
Rebecca (she/her) calling in from ancestral land of Saura, Catawba, Lumbee, Cherokee, and many others. Grateful to finally be in a JFN space, after admiring from afar ever since it got started!
orly
18:09
Hiya! Homelands of anishnaabe people grateful for yarn!
David Seidenberg
18:09
Nipmuc and Pocumtuc - Northampton MA, which was also known as Nonotuc. Grateful for sun in the cold
Eitan Kenefick (he/him)
18:10
Nipmuc
Gwyneth Krepcio (she/they)
18:12
Gwyneth (they/she) on cherokee land aka north carolina - grateful to be able to do something with my hands while I listen (mending)
freygl (fae/r/s)
18:14
(don't know where the word giving came from lol meant to say "grateful for community-held processes / emergence)
Simone Stern (they/any)
18:58
Hello from Lenapehoeking! Simone (they/any) I’m feeling so grateful for snow and how it transforms a landscape!
Ben Weinberg (he/him)
19:00
For those of you joining late, here are some of the housekeeping items we went over at the beginning of the session!
Ben Weinberg (he/him)
19:03
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Maxie [they/she]
21:16
Amein
Jeff (he/him) & SJ's step-dad!!!
24:55
grateful that SJ shares their vision and passion with me/us.
Tome (she/her)
26:14
Thank you that was a beautiful introduction of the cycles, never thought about it in this way
Sarah/Soup
29:19
is yovel a shmita year or is it right after a shmita year?
Justin (he/him)
29:42
Shavuot (revelation at Sinai) is the 50th day after 49 days between Passover (liberation) and Shavuot (revelation)
Jack (they/he) Kellner
29:59
both are scary in letting go of control--how will our basic needs be met? how can we live through such big changes? so practicing at different scales is useful/reassuring/inspiring
Sarah/Soup
30:01
it seems like a lot of the rules are similar to shmita - so that's two years of no planting? that sounds tough
freygl (fae/r/s)
30:05
does the cycle start again after the 50th year ie in the 51st year or is the next count of 7 starting in the 50th year?
Maxie [they/she]
30:18
It feels like a compounding of rest. Shabbat is day of rest, Shmita is a larger rest, with Yovel being the largest part of release
Sarah/Soup
30:20
@Justin oh wow! Nice echo there
Anika Rice | she/her | HoChunk lands
30:24
both require material prep in terms of food and resources
jessica marshall (she/her)
30:38
When is the next yovel year?
Tome (she/her)
31:13
what happens in a time of drought and food scarcity during the yovel year?
Nili Simhai - (she/her)
31:13
It kinda makes sense that it's not the same year, actually. Shmita is a lot about ceasing and letting go, but this description of Yovel actually sounds very active - more like Year 1 energy.
Sarah/Soup
31:46
I wonder how long life expectancy was when this was practiced -- ie how many people experienced Yovel, or more than one Yovel
izzy p
32:20
Are the rules for yovel similar to shmita with regards to eating preserved food?
jessica marshall (she/her)
32:39
I’m definitely curious about the connection between yovel and debt forgiveness
Nili Simhai - (she/her)
32:50
Yes, Sarah, that's a good question, I imagine it represented a full generation.
Simone Stern (they/any)
33:12
I’m also interested in the connection between yovel and prison abolition
Rita Hindin (she/her)
34:26
Shmita and Yovel both bespeak such a deeply connected community. Hard to imagine at the scale it’s meant to apply to—The Jewish people in Israel
Tome (she/her)
35:25
maybe because of the attonement of debt?
freygl (fae/r/s)
35:25
to make sure we took care of unfinished business (spiritually, etc)
jessica marshall (she/her)
35:26
Because there’s so much internal work already during the high holy days?
Sarah/Soup
35:42
maybe you can quickly plant a bunch of fall crops during the 10 days
Simone Stern (they/any)
35:45
Yom yippur is a lot about release too?
Ariel Aaronson-Eves (they/any)
35:55
You can’t go hope until after you have atoned…
Ariel Aaronson-Eves (they/any)
36:09
*home
Tome (she/her)
36:12
attonement of debt- forgiveness to people and that kin of releaase
Jack (they/he) Kellner
36:40
there might be some physical transition work you want to do before returning land
Ilana (she/they)
36:42
forgiveness to slaves that are being freed?
Simone Stern (they/any)
37:24
How often were people indentured because of a crime they committed?
Sarah/Soup
37:58
Are slaves also freed during yovel?
jessica marshall (she/her)
39:24
So their children are not also slaves?
Judy (she/her)
39:28
Limited to give hope
Leroy (they/them)
39:47
Feeling confused by the concept of “allowed” to be an indentured servant
freygl (fae/r/s)
39:55
I meant let's abolish indentured servitude in the first place, but maybe something about going home to be an elder in their community
Judy (she/her)
40:06
That everyone has a real hope for freedom
Zoe Davidson (she/her)
40:07
Because they are no longer fit to perform the task of labour?
freygl (fae/r/s)
40:18
i mean*
Lexi (she/they)
40:30
this prevents intergenerational slavery
Ben Weinberg (he/him)
40:38
Would this apply to non-jewish servants?
Scott Hertzberg
40:40
Isn't there a circumstance where slaves did not get to leave with children and wife. We lead it yesterday but I can't remember.
Scott Hertzberg
40:48
we read
Scott Hertzberg
41:03
I think if the owner gives them a wife
Scott Hertzberg
41:16
ok
Justin (he/him)
41:19
if a servant gives birth to a child from a spouse given by the owner then the children belong to the owner
Rita Hindin (she/her)
41:25
That’s during Shmita it was in this past week’s Torah portion—wife and kids don’t automatically get to go with
Scott Hertzberg
41:27
That's it
David Catzel (he/him)
41:30
Preventing intergenerationally gathered wealth
Rita Hindin (she/her)
41:39
And troubling
jessica marshall (she/her)
42:13
It makes me think about contemporary debts that are passed on to children
Anika Rice | she/her | HoChunk lands
42:29
I’m wondering wha the “original” land or standard is that people “return” to. and what would that mean today, after so much diasporism
Simone Stern (they/any)
43:07
Were there other hierarchical relationships besides indentured servants? Were there often non-indentured servants? I wonder if this could be a general effort to get people to give up any kind of power they have over other people
Jack (they/he) Kellner
43:07
@anika, that makes me think of why returning every generation is part of this system
Sarah/Soup
43:30
@Simone there were also slaves but I'm not clear on all the distinctions between them
Sarah/Soup
44:34
@Anika it would be each tribe and I think even each family/parcel
jessica marshall (she/her)
44:56
The Torah acknowledges that the Israelites were not the first people in the land
Simone Stern (they/any)
45:01
I think probably regular breaking of the idea of property and ownership
jessica marshall (she/her)
45:29
It is the responsibility of the settlers of the land to “provide for the redemption
Ilana (she/they)
45:36
coming in as a guest
Judy (she/her)
45:53
An acknowledgement that land ownership is necessary for commerce but that people don’t really own land
freygl (fae/r/s)
46:02
very much relates to Land Back to Indigenous people on Turtle Island
Ian Schiffer (he/him)
46:27
Honoring the hosts of the land by supporting with land rematriation and using processes of Teshuvah to repair for harms of settler colonialism
Sarah/Soup
46:27
@jessica yes, that is true and also here I think "settler" here doesn't mean in a colonial sense or in relation to other people, it means directly in relation to the land itself and to god. like I don't think the text is saying that there's a group of people who *aren't* settlers
Rachel Brylawski (she/they)
46:34
concentration of control over land is temporary
Sarah/Soup
46:38
@Judy yes!
Justin (he/him)
46:38
this prevents leveraging land as a resource to generate wealth
Rita Hindin (she/her)
46:40
In relation to land we’re only ger, the identity that we’re always reminded to appreciate; it’s not the most powerful
SJ (they/them)
46:57
ger=stranger, immigrant
Gwyneth Krepcio (she/they)
47:11
A reminder that we belong to the land, the land does not belong to us. Our own origin story does not have us has indigenous to any specific geographic place - we are always strangers.
Sarah/Soup
47:34
@Justin you can generate wealth with it but not indefinitely
Sarah/Soup
48:04
@Gwyneth I guess, but I think the concept of indigeneity is anachronistic to the text (at least when reading literally)
Sarah/Soup
48:31
but I see what you're saying I think
jessica marshall (she/her)
48:50
I can’t help but think about climate change here
Simone Stern (they/any)
49:01
Seems like soil depletion
Sarah/Soup
49:16
What is the role of non-Jews in this system? Do they also have land holdings that they regain with every yovel, or only Jews?
Jack (they/he) Kellner
49:22
and also flooding of contaminated waters leading to forced rest
Sarah/Soup
49:22
*Israelites
Justin (he/him)
49:32
@Sarah/Soup in ancient Israelite/Judean economy it would have been very unlikely to generate substantial wealth for inheritance from land in 50 years or less. As a land-based economy, yovel prevents the land being used as a resource in the acquisition of lands to be inherited by another tribe
Sarah/Soup
49:44
ahh
Ian Schiffer (he/him)
50:38
How do the laws of gerim connect to yovel?
David Seidenberg
51:38
The thread of the punishments has a very specific progression: (1) “you will sow your seed for emptiness, for your enemies will eat it” [v.16]; (2) “you will completely use your strength for emptiness, and your land will not give her produce and the tree of the land will not give his fruit” [v.20]; (3) ”I will send out against you the animal of the field / chayat hasadeh and she will make you childless and cut off your animals and diminish you” [; (4) “you will be gathered (i.e., like a harvest) into your cities . . . and I will break the staff of bread against you . . . you will eat, and you will not be satisfied” [v.26]; (5) “you will eat the flesh of your sons and your daughters’ flesh you will eat” [v.29]; (6) “you will be lost in the nations and the land of your enemies will eat you” [v.38].
Gwyneth Krepcio (she/they)
52:31
reset, renewal, redistribution - a sort of “leveling the playing field”
Jack (they/he) Kellner
52:56
the re-shuffle of people and communities and who is neighbors with who must do something healthy
Simone Stern (they/any)
53:24
I’m surprised by the requirement to go back to your tribes land. It actually seems quite demanding if you’ve found a home somewhere else. But maybe requiring a connection to your history even if it might be unpleasant. I’m wondering how this relates to marriages between different tribes
Sara Moon
53:31
Who for? Yovel for the wider region, if not the world!
Gwyneth Krepcio (she/they)
53:42
a humbling of the people and a reminder that gd’s first convenient is with the land itself
freygl (fae/r/s)
53:46
is it must return, or allowed to return?
Sarah/Soup
53:50
On the other hand, I wonder if it would be traumatic to be uprooted from land you've called home and communities you're part of. I wonder how people processed that or made that transition smoother.
Rebecca Croog
53:53
I go back and forth about the emancipatory nature of Yovel—like is it challenging a system of wealth accumulation or stabilizing it by intervening every once in awhile to suppress less predictable resistance?
David Seidenberg
54:06
Yovel was also a chance to integrate people who had joined the Israelites and distribute lands to their families when they didn’t have any before Yovel. So like a rebirth of the nation
Scott Hertzberg
54:23
Wonderful to hear Rev Pesachyah quoted
Sarah/Soup
54:24
@simone I think for marriages it goes by the husband
jessica marshall (she/her)
54:29
During the week we prepare for Shabbat, similarly when we know yovel is coming, the nation must prepare for it?
freygl (fae/r/s)
54:30
i think SJ answered my question with the point about deciding to be part of a new people
freygl (fae/r/s)
55:01
@rebecca great point
Ben Weinberg (he/him)
55:12
If you knew you would have to start over at least once in your career, how would that change the way you go aboutt building a business or choosing a career path? How would that change one’s business values?
Sarah/Soup
55:58
@Ben if it was close to Yovel, I imagine it would be a sort of temporiness and liminality
Sarah/Soup
56:30
If you knew you'd be uprooted in 20 years, or five, or three, how would that impact your desire to set down roots?
Ian Schiffer (he/him)
56:40
I heard (I believe from R’Jessica Rosenberg) that yovel / jubilee can be called for at any time, that feels like an important teaching. Could you all speak to that vs the 50 year frequency?
Sarah/Soup
57:34
Although, I mean, it just reverts ownership so you could probably go back to where you'd been living in some way, either by buying land again or just living there or something?
Anika Rice | she/her | HoChunk lands
57:44
is there evidence that yovel (and shmitah) were ever fully practiced?
Scott Hertzberg
57:57
Why did they not start counting until the 14th year, why not the first year?
Sarah/Soup
59:10
kind of like how farming projects in the diaspora are counting shmita?
Ariel Aaronson-Eves (they/any)
01:00:37
So you only observe yovel when traveling back to your ancestral lands is not a far travel for anyone?
Rita Hindin (she/her)
01:01:56
How come not just counting every 50 years from creation?
freygl (fae/r/s)
01:02:38
it hasn't been counted by those who 'count' ie the rabbinate / jewish 'authorities' but we can take it upon ourselves to count it?
Justin (he/him)
01:02:42
@rita bc it's dependent upon the people residing in the land
David Seidenberg
01:03:50
On indigneity and the Israelite claim of conquest, see: https://www.tikkun.org/the-third-promise/
Risa Alyson Cooper (she/her)
01:04:10
Thanks @David!
Rita Hindin (she/her)
01:04:18
Oh, yes. Thanks, Justin. Do we have an Biblically-identified exact date for when began residing in the land?
Gwyneth Krepcio (she/they)
01:04:31
@david lol I was gonna share that same link! a good read, lots to think about there
SJ (they/them)
01:04:35
What is the ask/invitation of us as individuals, as a Jewish community, as Jews living on stolen land in the Diaspora?
Justin (he/him)
01:04:49
@Rita, yes. it was on the slide with the info from Rambam
Zoe Davidson (she/her)
01:14:34
How might yoval challenge traditional land ownership/transfer models (i.e. the colonial family farm)? How might yoval invite a kind of land recommoning?
jessica marshall (she/her)
01:14:38
the difference between “scarity” and the “feeling of scarcity”
Sarah/Soup
01:14:38
We were wondering how far people probably moved back to their lands -- were most people something like one town over, or were there a lot of people with significant distances (ie galil to Negev)?
freygl (fae/r/s)
01:14:48
we talked a bit about what scale this would be possible on / limited by
Eitan Kenefick (he/him)
01:14:54
questioning current economic systems
David Seidenberg (he/they)
01:15:03
Reparations seem to be essential — there is no justice unless we start out with an equal distribution of land.
Rebecca Croog
01:15:15
^this was a big theme for us as well
orly
01:15:18
“Smite teaches us resilience to famine while Yovel teaches us resilience to expulsion”
Ilana (she/they)
01:15:30
connecting the land back movement to Yovel/shmita
Sarah/Soup
01:15:52
What if the original allotment of land was unequal? Would that mean a reset to inequality every 50 years?
David Catzel (he/him)
01:15:53
Land back for us too
Leroy (they/them)
01:15:53
Listening/surrendering to the asks and demands of First Nations people on Turtle Island
jessica marshall (she/her)
01:16:13
Getting creative and uncomfortable within the systems we live under - land trusts, etc
Ilana (she/they)
01:16:30
We also talked about making liberation a more common frequent practice
Ian Schiffer (he/him)
01:16:41
Teshuvah steps toward guarantee of non-repeat
David Seidenberg (he/they)
01:17:19
@Sarah/soup — each novel was a chance to redo the distribution to make it more equal (that’s what I meant about integrating outsiders into the tribes where they resided by giving them land) — I just learned about this last week.
David Seidenberg (he/they)
01:17:38
Each Yovel (novel was spell checked)
Sarah/Soup
01:17:42
@david oh, amazing!
Ian Schiffer (he/him)
01:17:54
Radical diásporism and questions about home on a land with a people - wondering about practicing these traditions on other peoples ancestral homelands
Sara Moon
01:18:09
@david S how?! Would love to learn more about that
Gwyneth Krepcio (she/they)
01:18:10
how connected/in loving relationship could we be with land with repeated cycles upon cycles upon cycles of greeting land of your ancestor’s origin over and over - what would it even feel like to not have the disconnect we have now
David Seidenberg (he/they)
01:18:37
I will see if I can find the source and post in chat now. But not sure we know much about the how.
Maxie [they/she]
01:20:11
Opened
Zoe Davidson (she/her)
01:20:14
Inspired
Sarah/Soup
01:20:14
questions
Simone Stern (they/any)
01:20:17
Potential
Laura Labovitz (she/her)
01:20:18
connected
Jona (they/them)
01:20:19
Curious
claire (they/them)
01:20:20
contemplative
orly
01:20:22
jackROCKS
Scott Hertzberg
01:20:25
Thinking
Gwyneth Krepcio (she/they)
01:20:30
grief
David Seidenberg (he/they)
01:20:35
depth
Rita Hindin (she/her)
01:20:37
Toe-in
Ian Schiffer (he/him)
01:20:42
Teshuvah
Sara Moon
01:20:43
bewildered
gAbRIEL (they, them, zie, zir)
01:20:45
Creative
jessica marshall (she/her)
01:20:55
trauma-aware
Rachel Brylawski (she/they)
01:21:52
I had never heard that pieceof history that SJ just shared before, is there an article to learn more about it?
Ben Weinberg (he/him)
01:22:26
Here is the link to the source sheet! https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SKMEr5JSswki0NI5FMuI_R01ZQxaBN9d/view
Gwyneth Krepcio (she/they)
01:23:39
My last name means crooked - as in a crooked back or a meander in a stream. I wonder how the meaning could change with that
SJ (they/them)
01:23:59
Alhambra Decree
Rachel Brylawski (she/they)
01:24:30
Wow.
jessica marshall (she/her)
01:24:35
that hits hard
Rachel Brylawski (she/they)
01:24:37
:(
Rita Hindin (she/her)
01:24:51
Israel/Palestine land claims and more generally conflicting land claims
Jack (they/he) Kellner
01:24:53
im thinking about how, if you have the choice of moving to your ancestral land or join the nation of the land you've been dwelling on, that diaspora is inherently a temporary thing....so different from my experience (and most of ours)
freygl (fae/r/s)
01:25:02
that anecdote SJ just shared shows how connected these different timelines of colonialism are
Ben Weinberg (he/him)
01:25:13
And here’s some more resources from this session: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bJ_D-umzzwciO9c98J-37tk3uHTkxLDG?usp=sharing
SJ (they/them)
01:25:28
There’s Nothing So Whole As a Broken Heart
Gwyneth Krepcio (she/they)
01:25:50
thanks y’all <3
Jo (she/her)
01:25:56
Thank you!
Ilana (she/they)
01:25:58
thinking about our responsibilities in working towards liberation for Palestinians
jessica marshall (she/her)
01:26:00
Re what Jack said, I definitely have a hard time with knowing what that ancestral land even is
David Seidenberg (he/they)
01:26:03
Thanks all
Jack (they/he) Kellner
01:26:06
thank you so much SJ, Risa, Ben & Iris!
Scott Hertzberg
01:26:21
Kol Hakavod Risa and SJ
Sarah/Soup
01:26:34
also- what does return to ancestral land mean when we've returned to ancestral land in the form of colonization