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Evie Hudak
58:07
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Edward Krug, Ph.D.
01:23:42
AYP = Adequate Yearly Progress
Anne Keke (She/Her/Hers)
01:39:35
Hello are we going to get access to the recording afterwards ?
Edward Krug, Ph.D.
01:39:56
Yes
huntercarol376@gmail.com
01:45:16
The individuals creating, giving and taking these tests were white. Will that be acknowledged in this conversation? The impact then and now is vital to the discussion.
Kristi/Steve Douglas
01:58:05
Testing is one thing, making profits from testing has change are education system!
Angie Layton
01:58:26
any test seems to favor the socio economic class it's based on. context of questions can always be foreign depending on your educational background??
mrobd
01:58:53
Caste is powerful! A must read.
huntercarol376@gmail.com
01:59:19
Caste and The Color of Law are outstanding.
Edward Krug, Ph.D.
02:06:11
The replacement of testing with 4 years of public school performance has rising value for college admission. thoughts?
Judy Solano
02:07:45
Where does the discussion of profit of testing companies come into the picture?
Therese gilbert
02:08:17
Problem in using a business model of accountability for a public good like public education. The systems don't mesh, and imposing a capitalist POV is pushing the one reason for public ed that Prof Lemann spoke of; that it exists to create a skilled workforce, not a educated mass that is ready to participate in the democracy. This is what I see is the issue -
mrobd
02:09:11
1988-1991 was the time period for the dissolution of the USSR
Edward Krug, Ph.D.
02:09:39
We still face the problem that the further people are from the action, the more certain they are of their opinions.
Edward Krug, Ph.D.
02:12:11
Poor US performance on international reading tests are linked to English being the most complex language phonetically.
Angie Layton
02:13:54
in addition is it school accountability or family accountability that we should look at. even good teachers will struggle without family support and student motivation
Angie Layton
02:14:50
most of my daughters students goal for the day was to be suspended so they could stay home and play xbox
mrobd
02:15:24
What do you feel is the relationship between the standardized testing movement and the growth of charters and the push for school choice to increase local autonomy in decision making for parents?
Therese gilbert
02:16:50
Have we broached the idea that it might not in the interest of the state to have lively young minds? I'm not sure meat packing plants (the largest employer here in Greeley) are concerned with a worker's writing skills
Don Perl
02:16:50
Perhaps one of the distinguishing features of this country is a struggle for an ideal. In that context, idealistically we intend to educate the world in a microcosm. And perhaps we are unique in that collective conscience. And that conscience does lead to the validation of local control. Does that defy the idea of a national consensus?
mrobd
02:17:31
Common core is not yet dead..as it still exist in many state standards requirements.
Kristi/Steve Douglas
02:19:35
The British based company Pearson sells technology as PARCC testing, the Partnership for Assessment of Readiness for College and Careers
mrobd
02:22:08
Exactly Judy! State legislators need to be informed about the realities of what is happening. Lets hope the audit will do some of that. The high stakes issue is not just onerous but especially injurious to staff, students, and families.
mrobd
02:23:32
Co-opting is rampant. Good point.
Therese gilbert
02:23:43
And Judy's point that lower performing schools do not attract the "best" teachers is true, and so the downhill trend snowballs
Don Perl
02:25:11
I so appreciated both the comments of Therese and Judy and just wanted to add that what brought me to this place was I saw the cultural tragedy of Latino students and that standardized testing was so foreign to them that I could not look at myself in the mirror and administer this test that seemed so obviously culturally discriminatory.
Sally Augden
02:26:24
Writing is also an organization and thinking skill. My only agreement with Jeff Bezos is his requirement that if his employees have an idea to share, they must write an essay explaining it before they present it to their team.
Angie Layton
02:29:11
testing. question. how many forms of matter... liquid solid gas... kindergarten answer... college answer... perhaps many..
Betty
02:29:51
Lets relieve all the students from the damage tests cause
Therese gilbert
02:31:45
I agree Betty - since testing only falteringly weighs capacity. And capacity is such a small % of success. Doing, creating - that determines an individual's "success"
Edward Krug, Ph.D.
02:35:03
Missing here is student self aspirations and its impact on student growth.
Betty
02:39:04
Do we want our students to actually comprehend and have the ability to apply what they learn or do we want to have students go out and apply successfully in their life or do we ant students to only display what they see on a test and measure their "understanding" based on a snapshot in a day and time which does not reflect what they know. Use the money to upgrade all schools, give more money to teachers and take the money given to testing companies to the schools.
Betty
02:44:54
"highly educated is narrowly defined. A lawyer is highly educated in his/her realm but a plumber is also highly educated in his area. This is a problem and put people in boxes.
Lorraine Bowen
02:46:20
Thank you, Betty.
Anne Keke (She/Her/Hers)
02:47:37
This is where diverse teachers are needed including immigrant teachers
Lorenzo A Trujillo, Ed.D., J.D.
02:48:08
If you are not speaking, please mute yourself. We are getting background conversation from family. Thank you. Hope you read this.
Sue Marinelli
02:48:14
What is the link between test stress and the rising mental illness among young people and the suicide rate?
Angie Layton
02:48:28
starting salary 41000 per year....
Don Perl
02:51:02
Manny”s comments on the advantages of being able to think in other languages - an advantage that would benefit us all - is worthy of emphasis.
Anne Keke (She/Her/Hers)
02:52:29
Great comment and story professor Limerick!! Thank you
Tammy Story
02:52:33
Thanks so much for an informative session on testing. It’s so complex! I have to jump. Hope you all have a great weekend and thank you for all you do!
Sheila Lucas
02:53:11
Further Patty's question, one example of an alternative to the standardized tests can be seen in Rebecca Kantar's breakthrough immersive/Virtual REality experience -- it was called Imbellus and is now branded as Roblox -- and Rebecca dropped out of Harvard after 2 years to work on this creative alternative, and she received $22M in Venture Capital a few years ago to develop this software. There are many others emerging, stayed tuned! - Sheila Lucas 303.475.2293 for more information. (Sheila@nxgenlearning.net )
DONNA LUCERO
02:55:18
Current testing destroys morale of the lower end of the curve for students, teachers, whole schools & districts.
Betty
02:55:48
Great comment Donna
Evie Hudak
02:56:06
I think the problem is HIGH-STAKES testing (for accountability) rather than just testing itself.
Evie Hudak
02:56:17
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Evie Hudak
02:57:20
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Don Perl
02:57:46
Thank you so much for this wonderful forum. I am among the others enlightened and inspired.
Lorraine Bowen
02:57:55
I worry that when we do not use some type of measure to admit students to college that e will continue to lower our standards in our higher educational programs. If students are not prepared to write, read and think at a "college" level, professors then lower their standards often to avoid bad reviews that affect their jobs. Every student I know this year who graduated from college this springs was on some type of dean's list. How is that?
Edward Krug, Ph.D.
02:58:25
the recording of this forum will be on the web site soon.
DONNA LUCERO
02:58:27
THANK YOU for creating this forum!!