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Animal Welfare Leadership Roundup (Fridays) - Shared screen with speaker view
Shelly Thompson, Maddie's Fund
01:00:00
Alison - beautiful picture!
Alison Gibson
01:00:11
thank you Shelly!
Alison Gibson
01:00:25
Photo and art by Page Hodel
Kathy Duncan
01:01:43
Happy Friday Everyone!!!!
Elena Bicker
01:02:00
good morning! ☀️🌞
Michelle Dosson
01:02:25
Hello hello!
Molly Harding
01:02:31
Morning!
Jyothi Robertson
01:02:34
good morning!
Jamie Case
01:02:50
Good morning everyone!
Michelle Dosson
01:03:13
I love those piggies.
Jesse Keith @ Animal Arts
01:03:19
Good Morning
Sharon @MaddieFund
01:03:23
Holly and Wally…. and Kevin!!
Alison Gibson
01:03:25
Maddie’s Pet Forum – Mary’s Social Cornerhttp://bit.ly/marysocialcorner
Sharon @MaddieFund
01:03:33
And there is Petunia - sweetest
Brad Shear
01:03:45
Yes, Mary, it was great
Alison Gibson
01:04:09
My Dog is My Home https://www.mydogismyhome.org/2021-cosheltering-conference
Johanna Humbert
01:04:45
Just saw that Stray is being shown by my local independent theater (online)!
Sharon @MaddieFund
01:05:07
Yay Kathy!!!
Alison Gibson
01:05:13
Stray https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC38BqP2_fI
Alison Gibson
01:05:45
above link is the trailer
Kathy Duncan
01:05:53
The story telling was incredible!!
Sharon @MaddieFund
01:06:02
And the Voices of our City choir - they were so good!
Tashina Schneider
01:06:28
RBG
Donna Casamento
01:06:31
Faith Wright!
Shannon Asquith
01:06:34
Jane Fonda
Chalan Lowry
01:06:35
Jane Goodall
Christienne Metropole
01:06:35
stacy abrams
Mary @ Maddie's Fund
01:06:37
Bob the Street Cat and James
Christopher Ross (he, him, his)
01:06:38
My husband
Emily Klehm
01:06:41
Glennon Doyle
Christopher Fitzgerald
01:06:42
Amanda Graham
Beau Archer
01:06:42
Laverne Cox!
Brenda Barnette
01:06:43
Dr. Michael Blackwell
Spencer Conover
01:06:43
Simon Sinek
Johanna Humbert
01:06:43
Joe Biden
Krista Rakovan
01:06:44
Barack Obama
lisa wolkind
01:06:45
my mother
Kathy Duncan
01:06:45
Mary Smith!! and yes Greta Thunberg.
Nora Vondrell
01:06:45
Notorious RBG
Gary Weitzman
01:06:45
Nelson Mandela
Sarah Chiles
01:06:47
Kristen Hassen - seriously.
Erika Leckington
01:06:48
Stacey Abrahms & Trevor Noah
Kathleen Leary
01:06:49
Jane Goodall
Christienne Metropole
01:06:50
Brent Brown
Audra Farrell
01:06:53
the staff of https://fixourferals.org/
Christienne Metropole
01:06:53
Jane Fonda
Michelle Dosson
01:06:57
AOC and Nelson Mandela
Lindsay Hamrick
01:06:57
Nap Ministry - https://thenapministry.wordpress.com/
Tracy - Dogtown SA
01:07:02
Faith Maloney
Christienne Metropole
01:07:04
AOC
Michelle Quigley
01:07:05
Kamala Harris and my wife - Dr. Cynthia Mitchell
Katy Hansen
01:07:18
https://www.amazon.com/Love-Way-Holding-Troubling-Times/dp/0525543031
Kim @Maddie's Fund
01:07:29
Schuyler Bailar
Alison Gibson
01:07:29
Human Animal Support Serviceshttps://www.humananimalsupportservices.org/Contact: Bobby Mann bobby.mann@americanpetsalive.org
Jennifer Bledsoe-Nix
01:07:30
Dr. Michael Blackwell
kristen hassen
01:07:44
https://www.humananimalsupportservices.org/pro-resources/
Jamie Case
01:07:52
WOOHOO!!!! Great job team! I am scanning the site now!
Maria Anselmo
01:07:52
Dr. Michael Blackwell and Sterling Davis
Elisabeth Manwiller
01:08:00
Darren Hardy. He is an amazing coach for progressive leadership, I am honored to be able to participate in his The Hero's Journey year long training in 2021. He has so many levels of help for leadership that I am hooked. Check him out!
Sarah Javier
01:08:06
Very exciting!
Debra Fair
01:08:10
That's awesome! Congrats to the team!
Sharon @MaddieFund
01:08:41
Dr. Tiare Price
Sharon @MaddieFund
01:08:45
Dr. Blackwell
Lucy Fernandez
01:09:44
I spent a good portion of my morning checking out the new site features and I'm in awe :D
kristen hassen
01:10:10
https://www.humananimalsupportservices.org/pro-resources/
Katy Hansen
01:10:13
Such amazing work Kasey!
Sarah Javier
01:10:47
So proud to have been part of this. Many thanks to the HASS team for their leadership and guidance through this process!
Michelle Dosson
01:11:28
Kasey (and team)! This is awesome
Silja Schiller-Moumtzidis
01:11:58
This is a fantastic piece of work!!! Well done !!!!
Kathy Duncan
01:12:42
Great job everyone!!!!! Fantastic looking tools!
Christopher Ross (he, him, his)
01:12:49
Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Elisabeth Manwiller
01:12:49
So exciting!!!!!
Jesse Keith @ Animal Arts
01:12:56
Just Amazing! so excited to check this out.
Rachael Max
01:12:58
Can you give that URL again?
Alison Gibson
01:13:06
https://www.humananimalsupportservices.org/pro-resources/
Gary Weitzman
01:13:06
Really astounding work!
Karalyn Aronow
01:13:14
Looks great!
Teri Rockhold
01:13:15
Excellent work.
Bobby Mann
01:13:24
https://hass-net.americanpetsalive.org/learning-community
Emily Sprong, SAFe Rescue
01:13:32
Wow - this is a fantastic resource, and a tremendous body of work - thank you!
Rachael Max
01:13:37
Thanks Alison!
Alison Gibson
01:14:02
Maddie’s Fund webcast March 11 - Recruit, Re-engage, Renew: How to place more pets into foster homes right now!https://university.maddiesfund.org/products/recruit-re-engage-renew-how-to-place-more-pets-into-foster-homes-right-now
Bobby Mann
01:14:31
Signed up last Friday!
Alison Gibson
01:14:58
Humane Canada National Animal Welfare Conference - Virtual - April 6 to 8, 2021 https://humanecanada.swoogo.com/nawc2021/
Amy Nichols
01:15:08
Hello everyone! Animal Care Expo is still in search of round table facilitators and we would love to have you participate! https://humanepro.org/expo/round-tables-topic-submissions
Sharon @MaddieFund
01:15:22
Well done Brent!
Jon Dunn
01:15:25
SHAMELESS
Vicki Stevens
01:15:43
LOL!
Amy Nichols
01:15:43
We have faith in you Brent, thanks for volunteering!
Sarah Aguilar
01:15:43
Congrats Brent on being an award winning photographer also!!!
Chelsea Staley
01:15:47
no updates from the Petco Foundation - but we do have big news... soon! ;)
Kathy Duncan
01:15:51
@Brent, but have you registered for Humane Canada's National Animal Welfare conference???
Alison Gibson
01:16:07
https://bestfriends.org/events/best-friends-national-conference
Sharon @MaddieFund
01:16:30
Katherine….so good to see you.
Julie Levy
01:17:06
Here is a great blog on the Seresto collar toxicity claims: http://skeptvet.com/Blog/
Stacy LeBaron
01:17:14
Last Call For Our Trapper Certification Workshop for Community Cats which is tomorrow, March 6 at 2pm ET. https://www.communitycatspodcast.com/community-cat-care-training-education/
Christopher Fitzgerald
01:17:26
You beat me to it Dr. Levy...https://skeptvet.com/Blog/2021/03/seresto-flea-tick-collars-the-new-satanic-panic/?fbclid=IwAR1ExneOp4jSJRe_oeEsBLbySkRc7Ets5UMsqTLWXJW4Ex5IY6KfomzWWgI
Audra Farrell
01:17:26
THanks for that Dr. Levy, read it yesterday
Kim @Maddie's Fund
01:17:32
If you’d like to watch the new “Stray” documentary, you can buy tickets here ($12) and 50% of proceeds will benefit My Dog Is My Home: https://watch.eventive.org/stray/play/602c4ad3120f850044b17d4a
Alison Gibson
01:17:59
Thanks, Kim!
Jon Dunn
01:19:14
Good morning! 

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Hillary Herendeen
01:21:51
can we put those 8 things in the chat?
kristen hassen
01:21:59
We are going to start the conversation with some basic assumptions:Some parts of the US have an oversupply of pets and other parts have an undersupplySome groups of animals are currently harder to serve through transportThere is a financial/revenue component to transportThere are equity implications to taking animals from oversupplied communities and transporting them to undersupplied communitiesWhen viewed through a One Health lens, the questions about transport must include overall impacts on the environment and energy consumptionThere are several, significant barriers to making mass transport successful and sustainableSuccessful, sustainable transport would include helping the source shelters improve overall operations within their communitiesWhen we talk about transport, we should include both international and intra-national transport
Cheryl Jones
01:22:00
yes
Rebecca Marsh
01:22:00
yes
Stephanie Shain
01:22:05
could you paste those into the chat please?
Cheryl Jones
01:22:06
yes
Hillary Herendeen
01:22:06
and yes :)
Elisabeth Manwiller
01:22:07
yes
Ann Guion
01:22:07
Another possible assumption Is transport a long term solution or should we focus on solving problems within communities.
Chalan Lowry
01:22:08
yes!
Nora Vondrell
01:22:11
Yes
Donna Casamento
01:22:31
both
EC Michaels
01:22:39
I agree Donna
Cheryl Jones
01:23:10
a national funded program
Kathy Duncan
01:23:11
I know in the past animals have been transported to shelters and rescues in Canada from the US, but of course that has been shut down for now.
Dyanna Uchiek
01:23:11
logical source-destination relationships
Jessica Schleder
01:23:19
Delivery like amazon
Michelle Dosson
01:23:27
More corporate partners who have can help move more animals
Karalyn Aropen
01:23:27
The ultimate goal may be not having a need for long-distance transport
Emily Klehm
01:23:30
A coordinated transport system. I can’t stop thinking about the number of separate transports coming just to Chicago area so often
Brad Shear
01:23:34
Animals would move the shortest distance possible, only those who truly can not be adopted locally should be moved longer distances.
Chelsea Staley
01:23:37
Agree!
Kathleen Olson
01:23:46
Universal database where we can list our availability to accept cats with medical and behavioral issues, which is our focus as a cat sanctuary and adoption center.
BJ Andersen
01:23:58
centralized funding and coordination of transportation
Donna Casamento
01:24:03
True ongoing and supportive partnerships. Receiving sources providing financial support to source shelters for transport, vet services, etc.
Larisa Nagelberg
01:24:14
Agree with Donna
Brad Shear
01:24:15
Costs should not be the responsibility of the source shelter
lisa wolkind
01:24:21
Yes, I was thinking a universal database would be a great idea too
Mia Lindner - Manager
01:24:28
cost for transport
Robin Vincent
01:24:37
I agree with a coordinated transport system. That could reduce inefficiencies, and improve the standards of transports
Brad Shear
01:24:37
Animals should be spayed/neutered at the destination
Jon Dunn
01:24:43
I was going to say what Jessica S. said. We live in a world where you order a bottle of Tide online and it’s to your house the next day. Animals are not bottles of Tide, obviously, but logistics of moving items from one place to another is something that people have already figured out.
Stacie Voss
01:24:46
Almost all of the cost of transport is covered by us (source shelter). We only have 1 partner that contributes
Chelsea Staley
01:24:51
source shelters are so under-resourced, yet field the burden of transport prep costs like vaccines, s/n, health certificates, etc.
Nora Vondrell
01:24:58
A centralized process for transport relationship building. Like a dating app. :-) For us, trust is crucial in ensuring we have animals we can truly serve.
lisa wolkind
01:25:27
A dating app style sounds great!
Jon Dunn
01:25:28
How can we create and maintain that at a national level, and what do we need to execute on vehicles, routes, etc.
Stacie Voss
01:25:32
Agree about the ease of logistics!
Mia Lindner - Manager
01:25:54
agree
Mandy Evans
01:26:13
Isn't Doobert a tool to centralize transports?
Clare Callison
01:26:16
100% agree Donna
Samuel Wolbert
01:26:18
definitely agree with Stephanie’s comment
Shannon Asquith
01:26:21
Great point, Donna!
Christi Metropole
01:26:23
Yes agreed with Donna!
Stacie Voss
01:26:30
Yes Donna!
Chelsea Staley
01:26:34
yes, donna!
Jan McHugh-Smith
01:26:44
Partnership is key, we should pay and leave the animals that can be adopted in the community.
Lindsay Hamrick
01:26:55
Agreed. Utilizing tech and virtual options is critical. And a comprehensive tool could lay out the receiving shelter's state regulations to help streamline how much medical needs to be done pre-transport.
Brent Toellner
01:26:57
100% Donna. I think some of the northern shelters would be shocked to see how under-resourced many of the southern shelters
Erika Leckington
01:27:08
...and rescues need to stop tying animals with money (which leads to them only wanting vetted or highly adoptables).
Stephanie Shain
01:27:08
info on our giveback program - investing in sending shelters https://www.sthuberts.org/waystation
Namiko @ Kent County Animal Shelter
01:27:12
Each states has different requirements for importing animals. Universal requirements would make it easier.
Leilani Fratis-Placer SPCA
01:27:15
So PetSmart Charities funded a national but regional transport program. They had the Rescue Waggin' and took care of pick up and delivery. Had source shelters and receiving shelters, formed agreements, etc. It didn't end up being a sustainable program....is there anyone we can talk to who was involved in that program that could give us some understanding of the challenges that led to the dismantling of this program?
Mia Lindner - Manager
01:27:21
I second Elisabeth
Jan McHugh-Smith
01:27:38
ASPCA has a transport program today
Tara Yurkshat
01:27:47
Good question Leilani
Shannon Asquith
01:27:53
Good point, Leilani
Brad Shear
01:28:23
The Association had a best practice for transport, which includes the destination paying the source https://theaawa.org/page/Bestpractice
Marin Humane
01:28:24
Good point too Elisabeth. There are costs to receive these animals as well
Kathy Duncan
01:29:21
That is awesome @Brandy!!!
Shannon Asquith
01:29:28
Another point is to only transport animals to places where they **will not** take an adoption space of a local animal
Donna Casamento
01:29:35
Love that idea!
Dyanna Uchiek
01:29:41
I dream of a "ripple" approach to transports...I'd love to see my region collaborate efficiently to allow us to expand our transfers to our neighbors, and enable all shelters in the "ripple" to become enabled to start taking transfers and allow each new band of the ripple to create long-lasting impacts to reduce the need for transfer :-D
Shannon Asquith
01:29:57
Love Brandy’s model!
Bobby Mann
01:30:16
bbuie@cabotar.gov
Erika Leckington
01:30:17
@Shannon - agreed. Its difficult to know when our receiving partners are driving by shelters more in need than us.
EC Michaels
01:31:11
Are we talking about the possible “shortage”? What does sustainability look like?
Julie Levy
01:31:27
Another success measure is medical protocols that minimize spreadof infectious diseases.
EC Michaels
01:31:52
YES JULIE! And the challenge of moving endemic diseases to other areas!
Erika Leckington
01:32:11
The ideal model looks like transport won't need to occur except by special scenario (an animal needing major medical or behavior issues that another shelter can provide).
Brad Shear
01:32:25
Dr. Levy, this is so important, we've seen a rise in restrictions from state veterinarians because of poor disease control practices.
Sarah Aguilar
01:32:46
A national database or clearing house.A series of temp foster homes that pets move through during short transports by car instead of 20+ hours of driving.Connecting pets without homes directly to adopters without shelters being in the middle.
Erika Shaffer
01:32:59
Yes, Erika!
Chase Patterson
01:33:19
Spot on Erika
Jessica Des Lauriers
01:33:25
Also work with local shelters to swap long term animals to give them a new venue
Cheryl Jones
01:33:33
We need to keep in mind that The most desperate shelters often don't have a community that could donate or fosters. What works in one area may not be a viable option for another shelter.
Erika Shaffer
01:33:36
A successful national transport system should eventually put itself out of business.
Julie Levy
01:34:03
There is a gap with all transfer programs (both local and transport) in knowing what ultimately happened to the animals. They have moved around the sheltering system, but we don't know how long they are stuck in the system, what their QOL is, and what their outcomes are.
Chase Patterson
01:34:14
Another question that we regularly ask ourselves is: should we be vying with other animal welfare agencies for these transfers? Is this the best use of our resources, what alternatives should we be considering. How can we balance the basic economics of transfer...
Jon Dunn
01:34:31
Erika, do you think that there will always be a need to “swap” breed/species based on community demand?
Chalan Lowry
01:34:48
We get asked a lot to take dogs with serious bite histories. I think having similar ideas of what can be adopted would be nice. I realize it is not possible but one can dream.
Jessica Des Lauriers
01:34:49
Agreed!
Erika Leckington
01:34:55
….and success would be that all the shelters that don't participate in calls like this and that euthanize 90%+ are now at the table and utilizing resources to save animals in their community.
Brad Shear
01:35:02
Yes! Spencer
Marin Humane
01:35:15
How can we highlight and support the under resourced shelters more and compete less for adoption animals?
Tara Yurkshat
01:35:40
Erika, I'm glad to see you on this and sharing that opinion again - it's a very important point.
Jill Dyche
01:35:43
As a rescue, profiles of receiving shelters (shortages of certain animals, breeds, willingness to take behavior animals, community requests, ability to fund, etc.) would help us target destinations and act more nimbly.
Rachael Max
01:36:00
That would be wondeful!
Lucy Fernandez
01:36:20
https://www.swattrescue.com/
Katie Lisnik
01:36:21
Agree with BJ
Shannon Asquith
01:36:27
A successful national transport system also helps provide enough animals so that adopters have enough options to bring a new family member into their live without having to go to a backyard breeder or puppy mill.
Jan McHugh-Smith
01:36:36
I agree with you BJ
Julie Bank
01:36:41
The local groups need to be willing to take the hard to place animals. At this point, this is where we are.
Erika Leckington
01:36:52
I think all our communities are demanding the same breeds - no one has too many maltese, doodles or frenchies. Everyone has too many bouncey, rowdy, (dog selective) bullies. Just because I get tons of hounds doesn't mean I can't place them - they are here because they are popular so put them back in the community that made them popular!
Julia Hughes
01:37:34
Absolutely agree, Dr. Levy! Length of stay is critical, and is not always truly reflected when they land into a new destination centre. They almost need a "pet passport" to accompany them everywhere they go, to ensure that their history and past experience is not lost in the process.
Maria Anselmo
01:37:43
I agree with Julie on local groups willing to take the hard to place animals- open admissions shelters can't say no, while limited admissions rescue don't have to worry about overcrowding
Stacy LeBaron
01:37:54
Massachusetts doesn’t allow us to take in FIV or Felv+ cats. So we have room to help for those cats, but we can’t take them in from out of state.
lisa wolkind
01:37:58
Very impressive Ellen!
Shannon Asquith
01:38:06
Great point, Ellen! Marketing and educating the public about some of the harder to place.
Logan Neser
01:38:26
https://uwapress.uw.edu/book/9780295748023/bad-dog/ very interesting book (published 2021) about the human politics involved in the classification of pitbulls
Cheryl Jones
01:39:32
yes
Kelly Duer
01:39:34
Yes, 2 simultaneous plans
Erika Leckington
01:39:46
Yes @Julie. Our local rescues drive many hours to pull animals from other shelters & we transport ours many hours to other communities. The shell game is not sustainable. Our partners are not interested in what is need in our community. It doesn't gain them donors & $$
Kathy Duncan
01:39:48
Yes @Kristen!!! Almost like triaging human health patients to specialized trauma centres!!
Tricia Sebes
01:39:52
can you restate the two parts?
Stephanie Miller
01:40:05
In speaking with colleagues in private practice near Toronto, Ontario they are seeing a lot of dogs from Asia rescued from the meat trade. The dogs have severe behavioural challenges. Interesting that we struggle to place N. American behavioural dogs yet a large volume are coming from abroad.
Bobby Mann
01:40:11
In a perfect world, do we come up with a 2 part plan?1. To solve the problem for highly adoptable animals2. Address the problems with serious medical or behavioral challenges
Faith Wright
01:40:29
south Texas and rural Texas has a ton. hw+ is also a big issue
Jon Dunn
01:40:33
Is there any collection of data on transport? Would be helpful, I think, to put numbers to this vs. the anecdotal
Mary @ Maddie's Fund
01:40:49
Sharon Harmon, why did you change your name to Chase Patterson?
Stephanie Little Ladeira
01:40:51
And part three is addressing the reality that under-resourced shelters need help and support in ensuring that their communities are investing more resources in their animal programs. Some municipal shelters are well resourced and some are woefully underfunded. I don’t think it’s a one size fits all in understanding the issues source shelters are facing.
EC Michaels
01:40:51
We’ve had a lot of big discussion groups, convening etc. regarding transport, but I’m not sure we’ve been great about moving the ideas we’ve created forward and consistently.
Emily Stuart
01:40:52
We have a Unicorn Foster program that works with quirky dogs usually difficult to place. It has been quite successful: https://gatewaypets.org/how-to-help/foster/unicorn-foster-program/
Debra Fair
01:40:54
Agree with Jon. HW positive is a challenge.
Mandy Evans
01:41:05
How do we ensure receiving shelters are helping their community first? Two shelters in one community bring in a ton of small cuties (dogs and cats) while the municipal shelter is euthanizing for space and owner surrendered animals aren't accepted because they don't move as quickly. I wish there was a bit more accountability.
lisa wolkind
01:41:33
Good point Mandy
Jen Brause
01:41:35
However, some solutions that should be for both groups now is marketing them (as Ellen stated, if the community knows, they will help) and knowing what rescues are in your area and build those relationships so transport is shorter.
ellen jefferson
01:41:47
Agree, Mandy. And some way to understand what is going on in a community if the govt shelter is blocking partner help.
Donna Casamento
01:41:54
We have so many great dogs who have been with us for longer than 30 days...last week we had over 300 LOS dogs. Whenever we can move these dogs on transport that are adopted immediately at their receiving shelter.
Johanna Humbert
01:41:56
Is there a directory for this group? Everyone's names show up, but I have no idea where many of you are located or what your shelter/rescues are?
Jan McHugh-Smith
01:42:03
We accept transfer behavior animals, it is very costly on the receiving end too. We need to think about the cost in our plan.
Julie Levy
01:42:17
There are also lots of small fluffies and purebreds at risk in some shelters like El Paso. It's like a oet store.
Erika Leckington
01:42:17
Yep, our hw runs about 50% of adult dogs too. South Texas and rural Texas is a different country - all our needs should be focused on gaining them more resources.
Nora Vondrell
01:42:20
My question about true need may come back to our concern about transparency. We hear "big dogs" and our experience is behavior issues.
Brandy Buie
01:42:25
The biggest issue we find with transport is how we hold them until transport. Space, care, etc.
Lindsay Hamrick
01:42:40
I can say from HSUS' perspective that we're trying to support the work you all are doing to build local/regional connections through mentorship that includes pulling animals from a local underresourced org. We're still helping to move animals when the situation requires it but we're trying to focus more on local capacity building whenever possible.
Katy Hansen
01:43:00
Yes Morgan - we have that too!
Marin Humane
01:43:25
Anyone from the ASPCA would could talk about their regional behaivor rehab center idea/project?
Stephanie Shain
01:43:40
Morgan can you share your contact info here?
ellen jefferson
01:43:44
I can verify the adorableness of the san Angelo dogs
Kelly Duer
01:43:48
For challenging pets, we need to educate orgs in working with and adopting out harder-to-adopt pets so they feel confident in doing it. Some organizations feel like they can’t adopt out certain pets, and it sometimes becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.
Mandy Evans
01:43:51
Yes, Ellen...it's sad that relationship issues can lead to animals being euthanized.
Bobby Mann
01:44:10
Morgan, the AmPA team would love to help look over your marketing and branding plan for local adoption. Please shoot me an email bobby.mann@americanpetsalive.org
Erika Shaffer
01:44:25
As said before, a combination program of transport + help with building out local/community support at sending shelter.
Robin Vincent
01:44:41
I don't know if the easy-peasy animals will ever be 100% solved. We partner with shelters with puppies that can't adopt locally because they can't find an affordable vet to spay/neuter before adoption. These communities will always have too many puppies - at least until they can solve the vet deserts
Stacie Voss
01:44:41
New Mexico is struggling too. Medium to large sized dogs and puppies.
Dyanna Uchiek
01:44:54
I agree to a two-pronged approach. I'm in VA, and if we supported our neighbors in western VA and north Carolina more efficiently with the "easy" transfers, we'd be able to enable them to grow their programs, and eventually support their own neighbors.
Hillary Herendeen
01:45:11
Love the idea of a standardized "passport" record for all animals that are getting transported (even from shelter to regional rescue!) for medical and behavior data
Elisabeth Manwiller
01:45:19
Sorry! my point was going to be about behavior dogs. We have so many issues in our local area that are super challenging it is really hard for us to take any behavior dogs at this time. We are trying to build a program for our community so these behavior problems are being met and we don't have them anymore. I see dog behavior as the number one challenge in our industry.
kristen hassen
01:45:48
We are capturing everything in the chat so please keep sharing - will use this to bring you back a plan
Emily Klehm
01:45:54
I agree, Elisabeth.
Brent Toellner
01:46:01
The #1 reason people choose to adopt is because they want to save a life. One important thing we need to do is be honest about what animals need to be "saved" in our community. Sometimes I think our shelters undervalue "hard to place pets" more than our communities do and impacts our marketing and ability to move them
kristen hassen
01:46:07
If you have already talked and have more to say - please type it in so we can keep it.
Ann Guion
01:46:17
amazing conversation, thanks Kristen!
ellen jefferson
01:46:20
100% agree, Brent
Namiko @ Kent County Animal Shelter
01:46:23
Highly adoptable dogs should be moved as quickly as possible. Destination shelters should know their capacity for behavior dogs. Nationally there should be messaging that shelter dogs are not "broken" and the emotional benefit of helping these dogs. There should also be post adoption support for these dogs.
EC Michaels
01:46:24
There is sometimes ego involved - I agree Brad!
Rachael Kreisler
01:46:42
I would like to learn more about why programs that failed failed or why current resources like Doobert (which I am not familiar with) are not completely solving the problem
Debbie Blochlinger
01:46:56
I take most of my dogs from shelters. I have a home based rescue in Minneapolis KS. We get dogs that are not vetted and typically have some issues which means they stay in the rescue longer. I do offer to pay for transport but at the same time when I get these dogs I put a lot of money into them. Usually more than what the adoption fee is. I can't keep going like that.
Chalan Lowry
01:46:59
yes!! We take mostly from local shelter nearby. They are our first priority. Then we move further out as we need.
BJ Andersen
01:47:01
Yes! Keep SN animals in overpopulated places. Recent surgery means more illness on arrival.
Larisa Nagelberg
01:47:17
I sometimes wonder how as a receiving shelter how we can maximize impact? There are so many source groups and I think the notion of the sister shelter could help us focus our efforts in one area to actually make a meaningful difference
BJ Andersen
01:47:28
Further transport needs air transport, but no one shelter can underwrite that for long.
Silja Schiller-Moumtzidis
01:47:29
Agree with Brad Shear. I am coming back to state legislation that needs to be influenced. Behavioral issues come from irresponsible owners and that needs to be taken care of by legislation and law enforcement. Transport should be a temporary thing, but what needs to happen is to work community by community to ensure an increase in responsible pet ownership and a decrease in surrenders, abuse and abandonment Otherwise, it is a vicious circle.
Erika Leckington
01:47:38
@ Ellen & Mandy - yes! Up entil last year we were in that position - euthanizing for space & local rescues not interested. And now the local rescues are mad at us for referring pet owners looking to surrender to them because they don't want the calls and to make people mad by turning them away (since we are trying to provide resources to assistant people surrendering & the rescues should be a resource).
Donna Casamento - PVAS
01:47:47
We can adopt out puppies and small dogs in our community. However, we also have times when we have a large supply of puppies too young for adoption that we can't hold for extended periods and welcome partners to pull those puppies. The largest area of need for us is large dogs, without behavior issues, but have been with us for 30 days or more.
Shannon Asquith
01:47:48
@brad - great point, transports should be closest, nearest.
BJ Andersen
01:47:52
We'
Cheryl Jones
01:47:54
Very true Erika!!!!
Audra Farrell
01:47:57
so many good points
Ann Guion
01:48:09
This is a great start, but boy do we have a lot of work to do to address this question. We have actually put our capital campaign on hold thanks to the unknown nature of the future of transports.
Audrey Lodato
01:48:15
Great points Brad. Appreciate your perspective.
Cheryl Jones
01:48:16
some transporters are w
Mandy Evans
01:48:22
If we aren't focused on helping source communities, we are supporting the cycle of breeding. We need to lean in and understand the needs in that community so we can solve the challenges and support those community members who need us.
Bobby Mann
01:48:23
Thank you, Brad!
BJ Andersen
01:48:23
We've got to give source shelters room to breath and impact the overpopulation issues.
Katherine Shenar
01:48:27
It’s hard to justify animals coming into a state from another state when regional shelters have capacity… statewide collaboration would be great to mitigate challenges with infectious disease. For example, bringing in distemper to a state isn’t ideal…
Debra Fair
01:48:28
Well said Brad.
Nora Vondrell
01:48:44
Someone above mentioned gaining stats from the Rescue Waggon. Agree, can we gain that data?
Joyce Briggs
01:48:55
Important points, Brad and BJ
Cheryl Jones
01:48:56
Also Some transports are way below USDA Regulations and very bad conditions
Brian August
01:49:24
Should the consideration of transport for canine and feline diverge?
Maria Anselmo
01:49:26
One issue we have run into (and I know has happened in other areas), are "rescues" that have spun out of control into hoarding. If there was a database, and some level of accountability with rescue groups, that would assist source shelters with finding and approving partner groups
Mandy Evans
01:49:32
I'd love for a survey to go out to this group. Who is trying to transport out, who is trying to transport in. What type of animals are we trying to find? We are in a weird place in our industry. Shelters have been positioned as the "shopping center" of animals. I'd like to know WHY people are transporting on both sides. Is it because you lack resources as a transfer out shelter? What are you lacking? That can help us understand what we need collectively. Then why are you taking animals in? Is it because your local animals aren't exciting to adopters or are you trying to help the transfer shelters? No judgement. Just great intel for all of us.
Alice O'Connor
01:49:46
Support/resources/funding at source shelters to build out currently non-existing or weak programing for sustainability so that animals don’t need transport out except in certain circumstances. Some rural shelters don’t trust their community to foster/adopt/help and so transfer out most/all animals.
Mike Wheeler
01:49:48
Do our communities truly have an overpopulation of animals? Or are these perceived overpopulations? How many animals are brought into our communities as a result of the vacuum we are creating by transporting animals.
Brad Shear
01:49:54
In recent months incoming transports of cats have become higher than dogs
kristen hassen
01:50:08
Interesting question Mike
Elisabeth Manwiller
01:50:11
Bissell is trying to do an online program for transport but you could spend all day looking at the animals and trying to pick the ones you want for transport. This also takes so much time and you need a staff member that is mostly dedicated to this if you are doing it on a regular basis. I worry about such a large database that it is overwhelming. Maybe we can have regional databases or a database that has a radius you can choose?
ellen jefferson
01:50:12
Great point, Mike
Todd Cramer
01:50:19
With the regular turn-over of front line staff, we need to always have training programs available to maintain our success in the areas that move pets through the shelter system efficiently or keep them out of it altogether, such as trust-based adoptions and pet retention options so new staff understand why we do what we do when it sometimes initially feels counterintuitive.
Erika Leckington
01:50:27
And lets now even talk about transporting animals into struggling states from other countries & territories.
Nora Vondrell
01:50:37
Agree 100% Brent
Ann Guion
01:50:39
HEADLINE! WE do not make money on transports and we never will!! This conversation needs to be about mission first. It will not fund itself!
Brad Shear
01:50:40
Sorry, sent too soon, cat transports are higher than dogs in New England according to Shelter Animals Count
Audra Farrell
01:51:06
or assuming the public has the skill set to work with them
Irene Borngraeber
01:51:19
I’m very concerned about long-term equity issues that arise from the transport mode, for humans and animals. I feel it is more motivated by simply economics (supply and demand) than it is by true animal welfare. We need to address these issues by engaging into the really difficult question of how declining pet population numbers (per our last discussion) are impacting the percentage of behavior cases we are seeing nationally in shelters, specifically with dogs. And how the focus on “live” shelter outcomes in statistics have perhaps emphasized the wrong issues.
Katie Lisnik
01:51:22
There are real challenges to improving local networks when there are differing beliefs around open adoption policies. We try to work with as many local/regional groups as possible, but are turned down because of our adoption policies.
Sara Price
01:51:39
I think there may be value in having a sub-group to discuss issues around cat transport between areas; there are many common issues such as State requirements but there are also several aspects that make the discussions around transportation of cats very different too
Karalyn Aropen
01:51:41
Completely agree, Irene!
kim waters
01:51:44
@Katie - Yes!
Stephanie Miller
01:52:09
@ Erika agreed!
Elisabeth Manwiller
01:52:32
I have a lot of pushback from our community on transporting in. We are working on educating them and trying to get people that are ok with it to speak up for the benefits. That is just another area that we struggle with so messaging helo would be great so e are on a united front.
Cheryl Jones
01:52:35
Keeping pets in homes works for owners who want to keep their pet
Bobby Mann
01:52:47
I would be interested to know how many orgs are doing adoption events (pre-covid) or marketing in their highest intake zip codes.
Shannon Asquith
01:52:49
Where are the local and possibility underserved communities getting their pets?
Erika Leckington
01:52:54
How do you even get a community on the same page on philosophies? I have rescues inundated with cats (and hoarding) as they believe RTF is inhumane & bash us for it (meanwhile we are empty of cats).
Marin Humane
01:53:25
Can we make sure al partners in a region or state are helping with solutions - long term and beyond transporting animals out (marketing, funding for animal services, legislation, education)?
Audra Farrell
01:53:33
Erika we need to turn the tide about RTF!
Ann Guion
01:53:33
Brent - SPOT ON.
Jan McHugh-Smith
01:53:40
Adoption is an outcome of our mission - not our mission.
Katie Lisnik
01:54:05
Many shelters in the northeast are grappling with this now-
Christopher Fitzgerald
01:54:12
is anyone "transporting" animals into underserved neighborhoods and adopting to low income and communities of color?
Marin Humane
01:54:18
adoptions may become less of our core focus and switch to being more of a resource center, pet safety net, behavior & training place..
kristen hassen
01:54:24
Great question Chris
Katherine Shenar
01:54:27
@Jan McHugh Smith - yes!
Erika Leckington
01:54:33
Yes Jan!
Sara Muriello
01:54:34
We need to remember that the community has the solution to most animal welfare issues. We need to ask more of neighbors to help their pet-owning neighbors. These pets belong to the community and should be taken care of by the community.
Ann Guion
01:55:03
Yes Sara Muriello!
Mandy Evans
01:55:13
That's Melanie Sadek speaking….not Mandy Evans...identical twin trick alert!!
Jan McHugh-Smith
01:55:16
Great comment Sara
Ann Guion
01:55:22
Mandy, same problems in NewEngland!
Katherine Shenar
01:55:23
@Sara Muriello - yes
Katie Lisnik
01:55:25
Exactly, Mandy!
Jan McHugh-Smith
01:55:33
Same problem in Colorado
Shannon Asquith
01:55:36
Great point, Mandy!
Erika Leckington
01:55:44
Exactly Mandy!
Clare Callison
01:56:08
Clare.Callison@americanpetsalive.org
Mary @ Maddie's Fund
01:56:12
That’s not Mandy. That’s Melanie Sadek.
Bobby Mann
01:56:13
Melanie that is what happens when your twin sister forwards you the invite haha
Lisa Feder
01:56:30
But we should also be concerned about where our community will go to get puppies if shelters no longer have them. Puppy mills are just waiting to fill that gap.
Annette Patton
01:56:34
That is Melanie!
Elisabeth Manwiller
01:56:49
Our mission is very much about keeping the pets in the homes and not centered around adoption. The conversation is definitely changing for us and I think there is so much need that we will be able to be a center of community help forever. We are gaining traction with donors that are focused on human need because our position has changed from helping the animals to helping the owners with their animals in times of crisis and scare or expensive resources. Partnering with local human social services has been crucial for starting these conversations with local donors and other connections.
Steph Ladeira HSSV
01:56:55
My perspective is that we have to balance being the “shopping center” and also the life-saving organization in order to continue to have people come adopt from us. We cannot drive demand without that balance.
ellen jefferson
01:56:59
There are separate convos around pet acquisition and pet lifesaving.
Cheryl Jones
01:57:00
There are issues that have to be addressed in communities with local governments about responsibility of ownership and supports for owners who need assistance to keep a pet
Karalyn Aropen
01:57:02
Agree, Lisa! That is an important thought to work through.
Chalan Lowry
01:57:03
Identify areas of need. who can help. What are your local needs?
Shannon Asquith
01:57:04
We should identifying and agree on a base of values
Melanie
01:57:06
That was a twin trick! LOL! OMG.
Katherine Shenar
01:57:10
Next Step: find ways to collaborate locally and help animals before taking on the expense of transport across state lines
lisa wolkind
01:57:14
I feel like we need to market and believe that special needs animals are not "low hanging fruit". Some of the most fulfilling pet/owner experiences are with those special animals
Mandy Evans
01:57:18
Bobby- that's it! I couldn't figure out why there were so many Mandy on the call.
Audra Farrell
01:57:20
examing shorter distance transports
Shannon Asquith
01:57:22
Guiding principals
Amy Schindler
01:57:34
Ideas beyond transfer for intershelter partnerships
Mia Lindner - Manager
01:57:38
Build a database so we can all know what's available out there
Emily Klehm
01:57:42
PetSmart Charities as well
Kathleen Olson
01:57:44
Focusing on the relationship between people and pets translates to prevention, placement and support for animal owners to keep their pets.
Melanie
01:57:50
I didn't even notice. I thought my husband was playing a joke on us.
Jon Dunn
01:57:51
There are so many elements to it. Creating and maintaining relationships, standards, logistics/technology, medical, data
Katie Lisnik
01:57:53
MarCom messaging work around being a community resource center, not just an adoption center-
Chalan Lowry
01:58:03
regional mergers?
Karalyn Aropen
01:58:09
Ellen, some clarity around those two conversations would be helpful so that we can be having both simultaneously as they are both critical discussions.
ellen jefferson
01:58:20
We did a study that showed that people who adopted severe medical animals had a higher attachment and satisfaction rate than "regular" animals.
Shannon Asquith
01:58:28
Yes
Sharon @MaddieFund
01:58:32
I would invite everyone to keep this conversation going on the Maddie’s Pet Forum
Jamie Case
01:58:37
Regional transport coalitions/groups?
Brian Daugherty
01:58:42
- Standardized data/information shared on animals being trasferred
Bobby Mann
01:58:45
If you are interested in joining a working group we will be onboarding new participants April 1st: https://hass-net.americanpetsalive.org/working-groups
ellen jefferson
01:58:48
Karalyn- yes- we may need to create a space for both.
Alison Reder
01:58:50
Karolyn Aropen - agree!
Christopher Fitzgerald
01:58:59
lack of access to resources
Christi Metropole
01:58:59
lack of resources
Donna Casamento - PVAS
01:58:59
Cheryl, it is mostly economically based.
Robin Vincent
01:59:09
We're working really closely with our source shelter partners to increase their adoptions locally, as well as reduce their intakes. Our goal is to get them to be self-sufficient, and be able to grow away from needing transports. We've succeeded in moving some partners away from needing transports, but others will be transporting forever. Both because of attitudes of the groups that will not change, and also because there truly are more animals than demand in those communities. And without local, low-cost spay/neuter, there will be higher supply than demand in those communities for a long time.
Alison Gibson
01:59:19
Maddie’s Pet Forum https://forum.maddiesfund.org/
Brad Shear
01:59:21
Source shelters need to be able to drive more of the conversation and not be expected to accept the dictates of destinations.
Brittany Ransonet
01:59:31
https://forum.maddiesfund.org/home
Alison Gibson
01:59:32
Maddie’s Fund’s COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS webpage https://www.maddiesfund.org/community-conversations.htm
Julia Hughes
01:59:37
Absolutely agree, Kathleen- creating an urgent animal care fund to help support families when needed, so that furry friends don't need to be surrendered/enter the shelter system at all.
Brenda Barnette
01:59:37
We don't transport but out partners do. We have requirements for reporting back to follow-up on the animals and their outcomes.
Stephanie Shain
01:59:38
yes Brad - key point
Marin Humane
01:59:41
Good point Brad
Donna Casamento - PVAS
01:59:55
Brad...YES!
Mary @ Maddie's Fund
02:00:00
Yeah Brad!
Cheryl Jones
02:00:12
@Donna it is and lack of affordable vet care is a huge cause of intakes for us
Mia Lindner - Manager
02:00:15
This is a great discussion I hope we can keep going!
Krista Rakovan
02:00:17
Animal Care Expo is still in search of round table hosts and we would love to have you participate! https://humanepro.org/expo/round-tables-topic-submissions
ellen jefferson
02:00:22
Sustainability can outline a plan to tackle this as a leadership group (steps) and bring it back.
Bobby Mann
02:00:44
If you are interested in joining a working group we will be onboarding new participants April 1st: https://hass-net.americanpetsalive.org/working-groups
Mandy Evans
02:01:10
Thanks for a great discussion
Clare Callison
02:01:19
Thank you, everyone-- this has been a great conversation!
Alison Gibson
02:01:24
New Toolkits!https://www.humananimalsupportservices.org/pro-resources/