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Webinar: A Crisis within a Crisis: Food Insecurity and Covid-19 - Shared screen with speaker view
Zoe (Food Foundation)
30:36
hi!
Sharon Ball
33:32
Morning everyone :)
Mary Vickers
33:33
Can anyone else hear anything?
Mary Vickers
33:53
Ignore that question. I can now
Tania Ocampo Garcia
34:04
Can we record the meeting?
Jayne Jones
34:09
Morning, all!
Zoe (Food Foundation)
34:10
Morning everyone!
Azita Boozchaloo
34:22
Morning everyone
Zoe (Food Foundation)
34:35
This meeting is being recorded - we'll share recording after the webinar
Tania Ocampo Garcia
35:02
Thank you, Zoe :)
Zoe (Food Foundation)
35:05
Morning everyone, welcome!Today we will hear from:Anna Taylor, Food Foundation (@Food_Foundation)Dr Maria Bryant, Department of Health Sciences and the Hull York Medical School, University of York (@HealthSciYork @HullYorkMed)Paul Gerrard, Campaigns & Public Affairs Director, The Co-op (@coopuk)Fazilet Hadi, Head of Policy, Disability Rights UK (@DisRightsUK)Lindsay Graham, Poverty and Inequality Commissioner (@LindsayGrahamUK)Thanks to all speakers for joining us
Oluwasegun Ojo
35:07
Beautiful morning to everyone, glad to be here
Tilly Robinson-Miles
35:21
Morning everyone, Tilly from Eat Well Age Well, part of Food Train Scotland. We work particularly around older people's food security. Looking forward to listening and learning.
Zoe (Food Foundation)
35:52
If you have questions for the speakers during the presentation please put their name first and then post your question in the chat. We'll have a few minutes at the end for Q&A. e.g. Q for Anna: xxx
Rose Gicovi
36:02
Good morning everyone
Mary Vickers
37:01
Morning all - I'm Mary - the Community Food Co-ordinator in North East Lincolnshire
Mari Burton
37:24
Good morning everyone - Mari Burton, policy specialist for child poverty with the National Education Union (NEU).
Zoe Griffiths
38:13
Hello everyone! Zoe Griffiths here. I'm a Freelance Nutritionist specialising in public health.
Louise Cairns
39:57
Hello everyone! My name is Louise Cairns, I work at Edinburgh Community Food. We are a community development organisation and work on various projects to improve availability and accessibility to fresh, nutritious food. Looking forward to the webinar.
Mari Burton
43:33
Would we be able to be sent these slides please?
Zoe (Food Foundation)
44:05
Yes will circulate slides with recording after the webinar
Zoe (Food Foundation)
44:28
Data is all in our new report published last week:
Zoe (Food Foundation)
44:29
We'll be presenting data from our new report - here's the link:https://foodfoundation.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/FF_Impact-of-Covid_FINAL.pdf
Mary Vickers
45:01
Louise Cains - it'd be good to touch base at some stage
Louise Cairns
46:52
Hi Mary - yes, that would be great. This is our website: https://www.edinburghcommunityfood.org.uk/
Mary Vickers
48:09
Thank you. I don't yet have a specific website but I'll be in touch
Flora Douglas
50:33
Hi I'm delighted to see that children have been asked about their experiences for food insecurity - directly - and horrified but sadly not surprised to see these results. Two questions for the panel - what are the implications of these findings for national measuring and monitoring food insecurity? How did you capture these data?
Zoe (Food Foundation)
50:35
We've published children's experiences on our website here:https://foodfoundation.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/FF_Impact-of-Covid_Childwise_Worries.pdf
siobhan collingwood
50:43
Hi Mari, good to join you on here, would love to work with you on this issue within the NEU
Zoe (Food Foundation)
51:31
and our full report here (children's responses pp. 15)https://foodfoundation.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/FF_Impact-of-Covid_FINAL.pdf
Zoe (Food Foundation)
53:07
Learn more about Covid Realities: https://covidrealities.org/
Tilly Robinson-Miles
53:11
Hi I have a question for Anna curious of the breakdown of 'adult' category- how many adults are older people over 65 who completed the questionnaire? Interesting to see social isolation being recognised. Our work in Scotland with older people has found social isolation is a direct risk factor of malnutrition and food insecurity for older people, which Covid has exaggerated Though we have found in this social group financial access is not necessarily the main factor in affecting an individual's food security- social isolation, physical food access, mobility etc being more significant.
Lucy Jackman
53:35
great quote
Bryan Kirkup
54:11
Let them eat biscuits.
Katie Rawlins
54:36
Agree :)
jehangir Malik
54:41
The global humanitarian sector has been significantly moving away from food parcels to food vouchers. Cant believe in UK we still at food parcels discussion
siobhan collingwood
55:34
Siobhan Collingwood- Headteacher and Violence reduction education lead, Lancashire. Our school data and local foodbank data shows an over 400% increase in food bank referrals within our community. and a 10x increase in parental mental health issues. I am hugely concerned about support services being overwhelmed by a tsunami of need from once lockdown lifts. Services were struggling to cope pre-covid. What are the panel hearing if anything about a nationwide response to this issue.
Stephanie Maia
56:21
Stephanie Maia - Co-founder, Feed. This is an excellent capture of data from families and children of the 8+yrs and it is so very important to note that financial and voucher schemes are not sufficient (even more so for those families with NRPF). Did you capture any data on infants, specifically formula fed infants, particularly given that most food banks do not offer direct provision of first infant formula?
Lopa Saxena
56:34
Yes, Tilly, we found similar findings in Coventry. Social isolation and financial considerations posed different types of concerns.
Jayne Jones
56:49
@jehangir Malik - not across the UK, most Local Authorities in Scotland have been providing cash payments to families, food parcels are not the go-to everywhere in the UK.
Shona Goudie
58:27
Hi @Tilly, of the 4231 respondents to the survey, 1671 were over the age of 55 (we don't know how many over 65 I'm afraid), but this only tells us about the age of the respondent and doesn't tell us how many respondents were in households with older adults.
jehangir Malik
01:00:09
@Jayne - Great to see this in Scotland.
Vicki Pyne
01:00:15
Did the survey on food sector workers also include those who work in the hospitality sector?
Zoe (Food Foundation)
01:01:31
@VickyPyrne no we just asked about food sector workers
Zoe (Food Foundation)
01:02:52
this is data from living wage foundation mentioned by Paul: https://www.livingwage.org.uk/sites/default/files/Low%20pay%20in%20the%20supermarket%20sector.%20LWF%20briefing_0.pdf
Flora Douglas
01:03:36
Great questions!!
Ped Asgarian
01:03:51
I think it’s called the ugly side of our capitalism
Lopa Saxena
01:03:53
@Paul -- absolutely agree with the broader questions
Jayne Jones
01:04:17
I have a question for @Paul Gerrard - what more can food retailers do to tackle food insecurity issues in remote, rural and island communities? Due to their very nature it’s far more expensive for people in rural, remote and island communities to access food, and being at the end of supply chains can feel (and can be) more fragile. Retail price structures can add to this - I pay far more for shopping than someone visiting a Co-op in a town; is there more you can do to review those pricing structures to help tackle these specific issues?
Mary Vickers
01:04:50
One problem is we human beings have short memories. Food sector workers valued when we need them but then 'we' move on...
Shona Goudie
01:04:52
@VickiPyne, the question we asked regarding food sector workers was: Do you or anyone in your household work in the food sector (e.g in food retail or distribution, hospitality, food manufacturing or wholesale etc.)?
Lopa Saxena
01:05:28
access to healthy & nutritious food is more expensive -- WHY?
Vicki Pyne
01:05:33
Thanks that helps answer my question. As the eating out of home sector has been impacted significantly during the pandemic, I was interested to hear whether staff from this sector had been captured rather than just from retailers and manufacturers.
Emily O'Brien
01:05:39
Both the data re BAME people and re people with disabilities reflect our local findings in Brighton & Hoe
Tilly Robinson-Miles
01:05:57
Thanks for clarifying @Shona Goudie.
Lopa Saxena
01:08:07
Parcels vs Vouchers -- closely connected with the Food Surplus redistribution increasingly considered THE solution to food insecurity. No major discussion around this...
Alicia Weston
01:08:39
just really emphasises why outreach to find people who are struggling is so important.
katie Cuming
01:08:40
are there differences by ethnicity in terms of drivers and also barriers in terms of access to help?
Rebecca O'Connell
01:09:43
Really important work and excellent to see recommendations including the Real Living Wage
Paul Gerrard
01:10:14
Jayne Jones, supplying food to remote, rural communities is more challenging and it is noticeable that for those communities it is very often the Co-op, independent co-op societies or community stores that provide food retail for them which speaks volumes I think about what kind of businesses commit to those communities and we've been clear we will continue to do so. I'm not aware of particular pricing differentials for us but don't have the detail to hand. Paul
Maria Bryant
01:10:30
Relevant quote for eligibility from our COVID realities project....
Maria Bryant
01:10:36
“We have no FSM support, this causes problems as we are a low income familiy, I am a single parent and self employed with a super precarious and changeable income… In school this means that my children are not flagged up as struggling as many schools use FSM as a measure of familiy circumstances. It has caused problems for us when I have needed to let school know that we couldn't afford some things, like a trip, technology, transport etc. It's almost like they think that I am making it up. A lack of understanding of different income related benefits and issues such as rising in work poverty means that schools are not good at identifying where support is needed without the FSM label.”
Mark Driver
01:10:39
The retailers have responded well to the this crisis. We need to link the central food provision with hot food cooking provision (schools) over 7 days each week so that kids have access to wholesome cooked food everyday. Life insecurity for 5m people is about being able to buy food, heating and clothing.
Zoe (Food Foundation)
01:12:37
Any more questions? we'll take them from the floor in the next few mins
Sharon Ball
01:13:15
Hi Zoe, would it be possible to circulate the slide deck please? Thanks in advance
Jayne Jones
01:13:34
Thanks, @Paul Gerrard - share your view that Coop and others are part of the community, and that is very evident in rural, remote and island communities. We have recently developed a Scottish group looking at food insecurities in these communities, bringing together Scottish Government, Local Authorities, Food Standards Scotland and retailers - it would be good to follow up to ensure we work in partnership as we drill into this issue.
Zoe (Food Foundation)
01:13:37
Yes of course Sharon will circulate with the recording after the wbinar
Sharon Ball
01:13:58
Brilliant, thanks :)
Beca Lyne-Pirkis
01:14:20
Thank you very much for today’s update and some key recommendations to take forward.
Jayne Jones
01:15:01
Well said, @Lindsay!
siobhan collingwood
01:15:12
There is a hidden problem around prevalence. Schools and local groups are making super human efforts to plug official response. Without these efforts I shudder to think of what the reality would be.
siobhan collingwood
01:15:49
voice of experts by experience is vital in countering the stigmatisation and victim blaming of those experiencing food insecurity, to push back against the narrative of the un-deserving poor.
Mark Driver
01:16:01
School food provision should simply be include in the Education budget covering all food from 7am to 5pm . Use food to teach! The NHS is free at point use so why isn't school food?
Alison Peyton
01:16:30
Food Sector workers are not paid decent wages but the Supermarkets & Food Logistics are making huge profits out of food. Producers at the bottom, Farmers have to sell produce at a loss, When will the food industry address this? There is crazy inequalities in the food industry...
Flora Douglas
01:16:35
This is an EXCELLENT suggestion Lindsay!!
siobhan collingwood
01:16:57
Hilary Cottam's book -Radical, offers an alternative approach to support for the vulnerable.
Mary Vickers
01:17:29
Hear hear Lindsay Graham
Lopa Saxena
01:17:37
@Alison -- engaging with food industry is most relevant to ensure equitable access
Olukemi Atijosan
01:17:39
Thank you Lindsay. You are awesome as always. hitting the nail on the head!
Rt Hon Baroness Manzila Uddin
01:17:49
we have so much to do
Anna Scott
01:17:58
Brilliant Lindsay, I couldn’t agree more
Tilly Robinson-Miles
01:18:11
Absolutely! and yes to recognising we must involve children and young people in this conversation
Rt Hon Baroness Manzila Uddin
01:18:29
thank you for your powerful advocacy
Jayne Jones
01:18:40
Scottish Government have committed funding to roll out FSM to all children in Primary schools, starting this coming August. Huge step forward.
Oluwasegun Ojo
01:18:50
@Lindsay, that was loud and profound suggestions. Thank you
Mary Vickers
01:19:07
In my area I'm balancing food provision (if people are hungry they need food) with projects/plans for helping people to become more self reliant - small steps alongside food provision but both are needed for the future
Rt Hon Baroness Manzila Uddin
01:21:38
this may have been said already but I have been concerned to see the drastic reduction of food being left for food banks in supermarkets collection
Alicia Weston
01:22:24
Bags of Taste (www.bagsoftaste.org) works exclusively on resilience for people in food poverty and has excellent outcomes. We are also able to do this currently, remotely, as effectively as before (we have worked with 1,200 people since the start of the pandemic). We're open to collaborations with other organisations, please do get in touch
Flora Douglas
01:23:12
And for the same reasons, it is completely inappropriate to expect people with health problems to exist from food bank offerings too. The food the food banks are able to provide is quite often nutritionally inadequate in quality and quantity.
Flora Douglas
01:23:25
Spot on Paul!!
Laura Hamilton
01:23:26
I agree Paul. We have to continue to press on these issues whilst the public is more aware then previous.
Mary Vickers
01:23:30
Thanks for the 'bags of taste' link - I'll check that out
Rt Hon Baroness Manzila Uddin
01:24:03
many mosques and local charities from different communities are making significant efforts around food distribution
Alicia Weston
01:24:09
ultimately everyone wants to feel they can feed their families sustainably. They don't want to be reliant on free or even "surplus" food. Bags of Taste ensures that people can maintain their dignity and do this.
Magdalena Rechnio
01:24:58
With regards to FSM, what is provided is a large issue (nutritional quality), similarly to food parcels. Not everywhere of course.
Katie Rawlins
01:25:09
Many charities we work with are moving towards social pantries & community supermarkets
siobhan collingwood
01:25:11
Thanks Zoe but the mental heath rise was 10x greater and 1000%
Alison Peyton
01:25:18
To Mary, well done and agree - as a Foodbank Manager we have to give food in response ti hunger. Seeking also alternative responses & support.
Lopa Saxena
01:25:20
@Paul -- the big question -- how to move beyond emergency solutions to sustainable, resilient food systems
Ped Asgarian
01:25:37
Fantastic and engaging webinar. Thank you to all the wonderful speakers and amazing work you are all doing to make a difference.
Rt Hon Baroness Manzila Uddin
01:25:40
thank you. please do keep in touch if you wish to uddinm@parliament.Uk Twitter @Manzilauddin
Alison Peyton
01:25:41
Ditto Lopa
Leah Barratt
01:25:56
Sorry I need to leave for another meeting. Very good webinar - thank you from Sheffield City Council
Olukemi Atijosan
01:26:22
Its shocking that Bryan Kirkup says "let them eat biscuits"
Zoe (Food Foundation)
01:26:27
Any questions we don't have time to answers please get in touch office@foodfoundation.org.uk
Jayne Jones
01:26:28
@ Magdalena Rechnio - correct, further changes come into effect for school meals in Scotland this April, we have the most stringent regulations for school food provision to ensure they are healthy and nutritious. We always hear the negative stories, but there are so many good stories out there
Alison Peyton
01:26:54
Surplus waste food Cannot be the answer to Food insecurity, this stigmatised people even further.
Alicia Weston
01:27:21
Totally agree Alison.
Joel Essex
01:27:28
I help run a social grocery store in Brighton which is about providing a long term solution to food insecurity and empowering people who use us through our membership scheme so Paul’s comments and the recommendations of this latest report really chime
Alicia Weston
01:27:57
The problem with food surplus is it also allows the companies producing the surplus to whitewash it with CSR
Lopa Saxena
01:27:59
"in the meantime" politics at play...
William Troughton
01:28:02
Retailers don't want to waste food or have surplus, They will eventually have less over time. This cannot be the solution to food insecurity.
Rachel Ledwith
01:28:07
Totally agree with Paul's comments
Alicia Weston
01:28:08
rather than actually solving the problem of wasting food
Mary Vickers
01:28:40
Bye everyone. Need to go. Thank you
Zoe (Food Foundation)
01:29:13
Thanks all for joining!
Jayne Jones
01:29:37
Absolutely, @Lindsay!
Olukemi Atijosan
01:29:45
The Solutions to food insecurity must recognize that people must be paid living wage and the whole reliance on volunteers for services when many volunteers cannot afford to eat.
Laura Hamilton
01:29:46
Lindsay, do you know where the report on school food banks came from? That is a really shocking find.
Alicia Weston
01:29:50
@William Troughton, I disagree that retailers don't want food surplus. This system is what they have created to systemise their problems and preserve their profits. This works for them
Zoe (Food Foundation)
01:30:05
Please share your thoughts with us on what we've presented and our data @Food_Foundation on Twitter
Flora Douglas
01:30:08
Yes Lindsay!!!
kate prince
01:30:10
Laura it was a Kellogg's report.
Zoe (Food Foundation)
01:30:11
Thanks all for joining!
katie Cuming
01:30:16
fantastic that Scotland is doing that
siobhan collingwood
01:30:17
I have been in education for over 30 years and there has never been a greater need than at present to feed our children and families, the response of food banks is noy something to be proud of
Laura Hamilton
01:30:20
Thanks Kate
kate prince
01:30:20
Report on The Guardian
Olukemi Atijosan
01:30:27
Thank you Lindsay for the shout out to school caterers.
Richard Longhurst
01:30:34
Thanks all, very informative and stimulating
Alison Peyton
01:30:35
IFAN & Trussell are against the making Foodbanks a normal part response.
Oluwasegun Ojo
01:30:35
Brilliant webinar, so informative and educative. Thanks everyone
Shona Goudie
01:30:39
Thanks everyone for joining and thank you to our fantastic speakers
Jayne Jones
01:30:39
Thank you for today.
Trin Gong
01:30:40
Thank you!
Rose Gicovi
01:30:43
Thank you
Katie Rawlins
01:30:44
Thank you - fantastic and informative webinar
Lopa Saxena
01:30:44
Thanks everyone
Alison Peyton
01:30:48
thank you to all
kate prince
01:30:48
So useful, thank you all.
Mari Burton
01:30:48
Thank you for a really informative webinar
Tilly Robinson-Miles
01:30:50
Thanks everyone
Jackie Tominey
01:30:53
Excellent work!
Akunna Oledinma
01:30:53
thank you
Charlotte Lucy
01:30:53
Thank you for your time
Ellen Finlay
01:30:54
Thank you everyone.
Louise Cairns
01:30:54
Thanks all!
Faith Eddleston
01:30:54
thank you :)
katie Cuming
01:30:54
thank you - excellent webinar
Roberta Iley
01:30:55
Thank you!
Lucy Jackman
01:30:56
Thanks everyone, great chat!