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HDC Board Meeting - Shared screen with speaker view
Kathy Carruth
20:48
Beverly just joined!
marge
21:49
Marge is on no but zoom issues - I’m working on it
Kathy Carruth
22:00
You are all set
Kathy Carruth
26:51
Welcome to the Highland District Council Board meeting. Please introduce yourself in the chat. Thank you
Lisa Austin
27:11
Lisa Austin, Highland Resident
Kathleen Anderson (she/her)
28:27
So sorry! Kathleen Anderson, Highland resident, annoyed by 5 year old at bedtime :)
Beverly Brending
42:33
Have you asked the owners why they raise the rent so much? What is it about the renter that the unit owners are discouraging from continuing to remain in the unit they are renting. It seems like a lot of work to re-rent the unit.
Marty McDonough MHA
47:10
Marty McDonough, Government Affairs Director, Minnesota Multi Housing Association
Kathy Carruth
47:42
Please note more information about this topic will be shared at the panel hosted by MacGrove, HDC, Summit Hill, Hamline Midway and Union Park on Oct 20 at 7:00 pm. To register: https://macgrove.org/citywide-issues/rent-stabilization/
Kathleen Anderson (she/her)
48:39
Thanks for sharing Kathy
Kathy Carruth
51:09
Please raise your hand or enter any questions in the chat.
anne parker
52:32
I have a comment and question but not about the rent stabilization, if you want to wait for my time
Margaret Kaplan
52:41
I think that the panel is going to be excellent
Moishe Kasowitz
54:07
Brad, I am having a bit of trouble hearing you clearly. Can you speak more directly into your microphone? Thank you.
Lisa Austin
55:21
Well said Anne! I will second that question and request of the board. I hope to see strong measurable goals in the HDC and each committees work plan. Thanks!
Kathleen Anderson (she/her)
55:28
Margaret, can you respond to Cecil’s allegation that the opposition didn’t get to have any say in the development of this ballot?
Kathleen Anderson (she/her)
55:40
*ballot initiative
Kathleen Anderson (she/her)
56:28
Beverly had a question above
Matt Clark
57:10
I have a question for both
Lisa Austin
57:48
Question for Cecil. If not this, then what? We can’t be displacing people who have lived in neighborhoods their whole lives in places where gentrification starts to happen.
Jennifer Foth Konyn (she/her)
58:10
Anne - great question. Adding my voice to agree that HDC has a responsibility to continue working on the equity plan in measurable and actionable ways. Glad this work will be happening at the retreat and I look forward learning about outcomes.
Kathy Carruth
58:21
Kathleen
Kathy Carruth
58:41
Cheryl, Matt, Lisa and Tim
Margaret Kaplan
59:56
There were many many conversations with landlords
Tim Morehead
01:00:03
My question will be: Is there any city that has rent control that is working well??
Lindsay Shimizu (she / her)
01:00:07
I worry that it's much easier to be against things than suggest solutions. Status quo clearly has wrought a lot of harm.
Beverly Brending
01:01:46
Margaret do you have rental property?
Beverly Brending
01:02:51
Good question Cheryl
Kevin Vargas
01:03:13
My question/comment: Are there instances in which the opposition group would support this ballot initiative? Or is the opposition group completely opposed to any form of rent stabilization, regardless of the proposed carveouts/checks/balances?
Kathleen Anderson (she/her)
01:04:12
If we’re asking about rental property we should also be asking if someone rents or has rented. Or maybe how many landlords there are in St. Paul and how many renters? Part of looking at this in a more balanced manner is recognizing that landlords/property owners aren’t the only ones with skin in the game here
marge i
01:05:10
comment -- very complex topic. i appreciate the speakers sharing their knowledge and views. i appreciate this is a recorded meeting to allow review.
Margaret Kaplan
01:06:24
https://www.urban.org/research/publication/who-owns-twin-cities/view/full_report
Beverly Brending
01:06:32
What happens if you rent a unit for $2,000 then turn around and rent to a family member for $1,000
Mark Rachac
01:08:05
There is discussion about increased revenue, but none about increasing costs and increased prices related to increased demand due to substantial demographic pressures for multifamily housing.
Lindsay Shimizu (she / her)
01:10:33
This is another project that HDC has learned about previously, I believe: https://www.stpaul.gov/departments/planning-and-economic-development/planning/current-activities/1-4-unit-housing-study
Kevin Vargas
01:11:01
Selfish thought: I hope folks against the ballot initiative are for increased development, more homes/units, and increased density, otherwise we're gonna have a worse housing affordability problem. We can't have low # of units and low rent.
Jennifer Foth Konyn (she/her)
01:11:44
Well said, Kevin.
Cheryl Calloway
01:13:04
None of this deals with the underlying discrimination in all of the systems. How do you regulate discriminatory practices in housing and rental housing costs?
Sarah Benson
01:13:30
Both Cecil and Margaret. It seems like a major underlying cause of displacement is income inequality, not just the high cost of housing. Why is it that is not being addressed?
Lisa Austin
01:13:44
Yes, agree with Kevin! Affordable density in the urban core including Ford Development is the answer!
Kathy Carruth
01:14:52
Please join the conversation on October 20 at 7:00 PM by registering at https://macgrove.org/citywide-issues/rent-stabilization/
Beverly Brending
01:14:59
I don't raise 3% per year. I keep their rent the same as long as they are with me. Most of my renters are able to go on and buy their own home.
Kathleen Anderson (she/her)
01:15:25
That’s great Beverly. Thanks for sharing.
Lindsay Shimizu (she / her)
01:15:43
Doesn't vacancy "uncontrol" with a rent control cap incentivize landlords to get rid of prior tenants even more? Then they can raise the rent as much as they want between tenants. I actually think that's a good measure to close that loophole.
Lisa Austin
01:16:07
Good comment Kathleen. Aren’t about half the residents of St. Paul renters?
Lindsay Shimizu (she / her)
01:16:24
That is amazing, Beverly! I was lucky to rent from someone like you when I first left home. :)
Lindsay Shimizu (she / her)
01:16:36
It means a lot.
Cheryl Calloway
01:16:52
What would keep a landlord from just raising the rent 3% a year whether they really need it or not? Plus, if your income is not going up 3%, you still get to a point where people are priced out of their homes. What is the incentive of the landlord to maintain the property appropriately?
Lindsay Shimizu (she / her)
01:17:36
To have that predictability. I remember my last apartment went up by nearly $100 a month. I was luckily in a place where I could swing that, but it was definitely an August wrecker.
Sarah Benson
01:17:56
it's too simplistic to boil it down to one number.
Kathy Carruth
01:17:58
Thank you Cecil and Margaret!
Lisa Austin
01:18:13
Good question Calloway, I wondered that too.
Matt Clark
01:18:30
Thank you Margaret and Cecil!
Mark Rachac
01:19:00
My property tax on my home has increased 400% in 20 years - more than 3% per year.
Lindsay Shimizu (she / her)
01:20:47
Yikes, Mark!. Luckily your mortgage rate didn't increase by the same, hahaha I always worry about people who get into the adjustable rate mortgages. I understand that's all some people can get, but it also makes it very hard to plan year to year.
Lisa Austin
01:21:08
Mark, that is just your property tax. Your total housing costs including mortgage, insurance and property tax did not go up 3% a year. And then once your house is paid off you get a big decrease.
Mark Rachac
01:28:48
Yes correct. I did not do the math for the increases to garbage, water, electricity, gas, insurance and maintenance. The only charge that did not increase was the fixed mortgage, which would not apply to a commercial mortgage, which is generally callable by the bank when interest rates increase.
Kevin Vargas
01:30:02
We should probably open the floor for any nominations on the co-parliamentary role and then vote to formalize it.
Lindsay Shimizu (she / her)
01:30:42
Brad, I'll be doing the update for Terri. :)
Kevin Vargas
01:32:10
Thank you!
marge i
01:32:37
yes -- to mark's comment.. thank you for taking on co-parl work kevin and tim.
Emily
01:37:48
It is great that there is a subcommittee, but I am particularly interested to see how each committee and the entire board puts action into place around the Equity Plan.
tomro
01:39:02
Equity goal for each committee is a good suggestion.
Mark Rachac
01:39:53
I read the resolution for Magoffin.
Mark Rachac
01:40:19
Thank you for your work on behalf of those residents.
Lindsay Shimizu (she / her)
01:40:45
Thank you Emily--the subcommittee agrees! The subcommittees are a short-term taskforce so we're coming up with a plan outlining initiatives to drive all Committee and Board discussion/projects and keep DEI front of mind. Please let me know if you have any ideas, though and we can take them into account.
Lindsay Shimizu (she / her)
01:41:08
lindsay.shimizu@gmail.com
Lindsay Shimizu (she / her)
01:42:53
It's also important to note that there are bylaws around the formation subcommittees. I believe they're only allowed to exist for a shorter period of time.
Lindsay Shimizu (she / her)
01:44:31
Bike Plan Survey is at the top of this page. Open through 10/31! https://www.stpaul.gov/departments/public-works/transportation-and-transit/bike-saint-paul/saint-paul-bicycle-plan
Kathy Carruth
01:46:33
The HDC invites neighbors that live by the intersections to participate. We have had good response.
tomro
01:56:42
It is good that they listened to neighbors. Lots of goodwill there.
Mark Rachac
01:58:48
Kathy, could you say the name of the Business of the Month again?
Lindsay Shimizu (she / her)
01:59:01
Quixotic on Cleveland Av
Nancy Hall
01:59:46
Quixotic Coffee
Mark Rachac
01:59:50
thank you Lindsay. I need to upgrade my sound bar.
Lindsay Shimizu (she / her)
02:01:44
It's kind of an unusual name, too! Sort of whimsical, though it can sometimes have a negative connotation. Comes from Don Quixote
Kevin Vargas
02:02:09
My husband and I go to Quixotic like every week
Lindsay Shimizu (she / her)
02:03:12
For Halloween: everyone likes stickers! Or glow in the dark necklaces--the kind that you crack to activate. You can buy multi-packs at Target.
tomro
02:03:14
Rough translation is impractically idealistic - quijotesco in Spanish.
Kathy Carruth
02:05:18
Lindsay great ideas! Thank you
Lindsay Shimizu (she / her)
02:05:36
https://www.stpaul.gov/american-rescue-plan
Adam Yust (CM Tolbert)
02:07:07
Here is a link to City Council Budget Resources: https://www.stpaul.gov/councilbudgetingHere is a link to the in-person City Council meeting on Oct. 13th at the Como Pavilion - re: city budget: https://fb.me/e/1owNWH19S
marge i
02:07:47
agree those glow in dark necklaces are a hit. may want to check dollar store also
Lindsay Shimizu (she / her)
02:08:55
Thank you and Councilman Tolbert for attending our community conversations!
Lindsay Shimizu (she / her)
02:09:53
Patatas Bravas!
marge i
02:09:54
cc meeting yesterday there was no public comment on open space -- but thought it was for that. no new comments added since july either. seemed odd. can you give insight?
Kathy Carruth
02:10:02
I love Estelle!
marge i
02:10:28
thnks lindsay
Matt Clark
02:10:30
We love Estelle too!
Kathy Carruth
02:10:31
Thanks for asking Marge
marge i
02:11:43
cm prez said not controversial. odd w/ 60 plus comments not in agreement w/ ammendment. wny no new public comments added
Mark Rachac
02:11:55
thank you adam
Kathy Carruth
02:12:00
thanks Adam!!
marge i
02:12:18
i have new laptop. bummer i can't get audio wokring
Mark Rachac
02:12:40
I concur with Marge. That was the single largest issue for which I received feedback from neighbors.
marge i
02:13:21
only comments attached to the file were from july pl commission
Kathy Carruth
02:14:11
the public hearing and laid over to the Oct. 13th meeting. The letter from HDC was attached as written testimony on the agenda – see link here: http://stpaul.legistar.com/gateway.aspx?M=F&ID=17fb01a8-fa1a-41ec-b9e7-e3508623581f.pdf
marge i
02:14:17
i'll follow up w/ you adam. thanks for being avail
Adam Yust (CM Tolbert)
02:15:07
Thank you all, my email is: adam.yust@ci.stpaul.mn.us
Tim Morehead
02:15:34
Yes Kathy did send that to the board
Kevin Vargas
02:22:20
Wish we were faster with our meeting content so we didn't feel rushed