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Sepulveda Basin Wildlife Areas Steering Committee Special Meeting - Shared screen with speaker view
Richard Rachman
22:25
The audio is going in and out.
Jerry Haro Ranger
22:35
Its just not you, I am also experiencing the audio glitch
Mark Osokow
27:39
What is the date of the photo? Part of it is cut off in the image.
Joe Phillips, Sierra Club Angeles Chapter
28:44
I still have video but lost my audio feed. Im trying to get back in.
margotgriswold
29:27
How many years are you planning for goat grazing? I have found that weed seed banks will be active unless we plan for 2 - 3 years.
diana nicole (LAAS)
30:01
I'd like there to be a discussion about the use of Roundup or other glyphosate based herbicides.
Mark Osokow
31:44
Why is the approval process taking so long?
Wendy
32:50
What are the next steps we can take to get approval?
Richard Rachman
34:03
Its mustard.
diana nicole (LAAS)
41:31
I have had success with well-timed and persistent weed-whacking without the use of herbicides.
diana nicole (LAAS)
43:12
goat grazing for annuals is good
Mark Osokow
45:49
Dove weed seed is excellent bird seed.
diana nicole (LAAS)
48:43
100% on using the goats!
Melanie Winter
49:38
How is park visitor interaction with goats managed?
Terrie brady
50:19
is there any concern about the goats eating herbicide
Mark Osokow
53:26
Are there any other plants toxic to goats we should be on the lookout for?
diana nicole (LAAS)
55:10
All - I've been maintaining landscapes for over 20 years. The use of herbicides is an outdated practice. Modern ecological practices in weed removal make the use of herbicides unnecessary
Richard Rachman
55:36
Not really true but ok.
NURIT KATZ
55:43
@Mark, we don't have any at the basin I don't think but rhododendron and related plants are super toxic to goats
NURIT KATZ
57:34
@Diana, though that may be true for landscape maintenance, as Richard is likely thinking of in his response, in restoration there can be different challenges that might justify limited targeted uses.
Richard Rachman
58:03
The majority of the scientific community supports limited herbicide usage.
Terrie brady
58:55
the use of alternatives to herbicide is important. in wild areas as well as landscapes. Diana may have information some of the commenters are not aware of.
Terrie brady
01:00:03
i have recently heard that removal of the green part of the invasive and compost for native plants restoration is best.
Terrie brady
01:00:37
maybe this should be an agenda item. to hear the full idea that diana is trying to tell us
Richard Rachman
01:01:06
Why not listen to scientists?
Glenn Bailey
01:01:52
Here is RAP's Cathie Santo Domingo's email address: cathie.santodomingo@lacity.org
Terrie brady
01:02:28
richard these are scientists.. one is elaine ingram. check her out.
Linda Ivanov (Sage Environmental)
01:04:00
thank you for Cathies email
diana nicole (LAAS)
01:04:26
Why not listen to the folks who have done this work, some of whom are scientists, and have had success in the field without using herbicides? Isn't Elain Ingram is a soil scientist not a human mircrobiologist or medical scientist?
NURIT KATZ
01:06:01
All, re herbicides, I've dived deep into this topic as part of the UC Herbicide Taskforce, and now the Systemwide Pesticide Oversight Committee, which includes leading experts on the application side and the public health side and science side regarding impacts of herbicides. There are plenty of good reasons to minimize their use, but as Richard notes, there is a lot of support for limited targeted use. For example, the recent use to remove the invasive water lettuce far more successfully than the hand removal. There is a lot of expertise in this group and I am certain we can come to a good consensus on when and how and if to use any herbicides at the Basin.
Terrie brady
01:08:29
not just bill and steve
Barb H SFVAS
01:08:33
Have we explained to Kathy how time sensitive it is to get goats approval?
Dave Weeshoff
01:10:55
Rec & Parks Commission public comments limited to 2 minutes, not one second more.
Mark Osokow
01:12:14
I want to send Cathie an e-mail about this situation.
Mark Osokow
01:13:05
Goat grazing could be very helpful at Chatsworth Nature Preserve as well.
NURIT KATZ
01:14:09
perhaps the simplest would be for the diff orgs to sign on to one quick letter/ email to Cathie? including neighborhood council?
Mark Osokow
01:14:45
Can we get an Olympic event involving goats?
NURIT KATZ
01:15:08
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NURIT KATZ
01:15:19
like goat racing?
Mark Osokow
01:16:30
I am going to send an e-mail to Cathie whether or not Martinez is involved.
diana nicole (LAAS)
01:17:12
If herbicides are used, who would be applying those herbicides?
Ruth Doxsee, LBNC
01:17:19
It says November 2011
Terrie brady
01:18:48
some native plants like lupine need fire
Richard Rachman
01:19:27
https://smmtc.org/plantofthemonth/Fire02.php
Richard Rachman
01:19:47
List of fire followers near the Santa Monica Mountains.
NURIT KATZ
01:20:00
As Diana notes, it is critical that any herbicide application be by licensed applicators with proper PPE. There should be no volunteer application, or none without close supervision of a licensed applicator.
Glenn Bailey
01:20:09
The next regular meeting of the BOARD OF RECREATION AND PARK COMMISSIONERSOF THE CITY OF LOS ANGELESshould be held on Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 9:30 a.m. as they usually meet on the first and third Thursday of the month. The agenda for next week's meeting has NOT been posted on their website yet. From the last meeting, the Zoom access information is as follows:Dial (669) 900 6833 to Join the MeetingThen Enter This Webinar ID: 886 8330 5777 AND PRESS #
Glenn Bailey
01:20:54
This is subject to change so should be confirmed by the new agenda
Glenn Bailey
01:23:42
Here is the website link to the RAP Commission's agenda page: https://www.laparks.org/commissioners/agendas-minutes-reports/2016
Terrie brady
01:24:23
thanks glenn
NURIT KATZ
01:24:58
highly support making the path official, thank you Muriel
Terrie brady
01:24:58
thanks richard
Richard Rachman
01:25:31
I have a more extensive list of fire followers made by botanists at NPS if anyone wants to email me for that. richard.rachman.872@my.csun.edu
Jan Kidwell
01:27:43
I would like to see that. Will email you. jankidwell@sbcglobal.net
Terrie brady
01:28:05
same here just did
Shelly Perry Backlar
01:29:18
I like your ideas, Muriel. Especially seasonal flooding.
Natalie Beckman-Smith
01:29:46
I love all of these ideas from Muriel
Glenn Bailey
01:31:39
I would like to see California live oak trees planted along the easterly border to help mitigate the air pollution from the 405 freeway immediately alongside the embankment
Terrie brady
01:32:22
i like the idea of the elderberries. birds love them.
Terrie brady
01:33:28
bunnies might eat the mustard instead of the native plants if the mustard wasnt taken so much
Robyn Albaeck
01:33:36
Definitely.
Barb H SFVAS
01:36:13
I suggest plan it all, but implement in stages.
Terrie brady
01:36:26
i agree barb
Shelly Perry Backlar
01:37:36
We can definitely work on implementing service learning opportunities that support these plans with high schools in the area
Terrie brady
01:38:50
can the goats be on the mustard rather than herbicide
Richard Rachman
01:38:55
Margot I just wanted to say, I'm the Biodiversity Coordinator for the CSUN Institute for Sustainability. Given COVD-19, we currently have our student volunteers doing citizen science projects. Once the vaccine comes out and folks feel safe going outdoors, we should talk about doing something with the Institute. We have hundreds of students with volunteer requirments.
NURIT KATZ
01:39:19
second the benches idea. and some concerns with larger concrete viewing areas on that side.
Patricia Bates
01:39:28
We are looking at a "Friends of..." in the future - outreaching and engaging the community
Robyn Albaeck
01:40:23
I have a group of high school students interested in helping.
Kelly Kazmirchuk - RCDSMM
01:42:39
I have been helping with the adoption of the State Seal of Civic Engagement. This allows high school students to receive a β€œseal” on their diplomas after completing certain requirements. It may be a great fit to combine this project with a civic engagement school.
margotgriswold
01:43:02
Sounds good Richard. It has worked very well for us in the Baldwin Hills with both the WLA College students and high school program students.
margotgriswold
01:43:39
We can use seeds if we are planning to weed for three years!
margotgriswold
01:44:39
Seed after we have either grazed or weed whacked for three years.
Shelly Perry Backlar
01:46:09
We have $5K in a NFWF grant for LA Conservation Corps. for work in the Basin.
Melanie Winter
01:48:16
You could always ask CM Koretz for support. Shared jurisdiction, no?
Shelly Perry Backlar
01:48:30
It sounds like we should put together a multi-year plan that prioritizes what we want to achieve and the scope of work needed to achieve our goals.
Patricia Bates
01:49:22
Not Koretz - whole basin is CD 6 other than very small area S of Burbank
Mark Osokow
01:50:11
Thank you Shelly. I agree that is what is needed.
diana nicole (LAAS)
01:51:12
I had to leave for a moment and still have the following questions regarding the proposal to use herbicides: 1. What are the herbicides that the advocates of herbicide use want to use? 2. Who would be applying the herbicides? 3. How often would they be applied? What is the method of application (how would the herbicides be applied? What is the amount of herbicides that would be applied?
Terrie brady
01:53:18
is there a possibility of making an interactive map
Shelly Perry Backlar
01:53:47
We can have this committee report at our regular meetings and reach out to members for input as the plan progresses
Ruth Doxsee, LBNC
01:54:54
Diana, what is your email address? I can forward you one from Bill Neill that has most answers to your questions.
Shelly Perry Backlar
01:57:16
Thank you Melanie! I will look at what you've posted.
Richard Rachman
01:59:30
Melanie, were any restoration ecology or native plant folks at the charrette? I feel terrible that I wasn't able to attend.
NURIT KATZ
02:00:10
@Richard yes it was well attended, and not at the plant selection stage yet, more big planning ideas
Richard Rachman
02:00:50
Thanks Nurit :)
Mark Osokow
02:02:00
If the road at the base of the dam is opened as a trail, it might help discourage a criss-cross pattern of trails developing in the east field that would disturb wildlife.
Patricia Bates
02:03:59
Mark I agree...or maybe a couple deliberate cross-overs and discourage the rest
NURIT KATZ
02:04:30
good suggestion Mark. people walk the circle now and aren't really interested in the eastern field much. official paths could definitely help
Mark Osokow
02:05:14
Quit picking on rabbits. They're great food for all manner of predators. Include Barn Owl boxes and other raptor nest poles, etc. in the planning.
Shelly Perry Backlar
02:05:37
Owl boxes would be great!
NURIT KATZ
02:05:45
@Mark was about to say that re the Cottontails 😊
Patricia Bates
02:06:17
We had an owl box there that burned up. Never had owls - we have great horned in the vicinity....
Patricia Bates
02:06:42
I mean no barn owls - I think kestrels nested in it once
Melanie Winter
02:08:08
Have any birders seen bank swallows using the eroded river bank by the model air field?
NURIT KATZ
02:08:11
there's a lot of trees and a lot of raptors, so not sure boxes would bring more
Dave Weeshoff
02:08:34
Maybe we could find a tech-savy helper to help put Muriel's ideas into graphics?
Richard Rachman
02:08:56
Eziekiel?
NURIT KATZ
02:08:59
@melanie no but tons of cliff swallows nested at the dam using mud from LA River
Melanie Winter
02:09:15
@Nurit - thanks!
Natalie Beckman-Smith
02:09:21
I have a connection with someone at Tree People
diana nicole (LAAS)
02:10:41
you can't successfully relocate oaks
NURIT KATZ
02:11:06
and Melanie, I meant to say that I hadn't seen them not that they for sure aren't there over by the model plane area
diana nicole (LAAS)
02:13:00
Correct, smaller oaks are better for transplanting.
Melanie Winter
02:13:12
@Nurit - gotcha, thanks
Paula Orlovich
02:13:54
Thank you I need to leave but look forward to the next meeting
margotgriswold
02:14:33
Does anyone know what the depth to groundwater is in the east area?
Barb H SFVAS
02:14:36
So many topics tonight! Time to summarize?
diana nicole (LAAS)
02:14:40
You have to have a plan to water after the establishment phase, especially in times of drought
Barb H SFVAS
02:15:51
So are we ready to implement in the West Field? Starting a plan for the East Field in parrallel?
NURIT KATZ
02:15:59
nkatz@facnet.ucla.edu
Natalie Beckman-Smith
02:17:01
Are we going to do one email to Cathie about the goats, or should we all send individual ones?
Richard Rachman
02:19:32
I know this didn't get discussed, but if plans move forward with the Rim of the Valley expansion of the SMMNRA, wouldn't the basin be included in that? So that much of the weed treatment and native plant planting would go to NPS... food for thought.
Shelly Perry Backlar
02:19:44
That would be great Nurit
margotgriswold
02:21:34
Good thought Richard about NPS!
Melanie Winter
02:23:09
Well, NPS would at least coordinate
Ruth Doxsee, LBNC
02:24:31
Go ahead and send it, Mark!
Shelly Perry Backlar
02:24:53
Happy New Year everyone! See and talk with you in 2021.
Patricia Bates
02:24:54
I think NPS will coordinate/integrate working with current operating agencies
Patricia Bates
02:28:04
The weed abatement will address the very dangerous situation with the weeds and fire, the city should welcome this and it does not cost them anything
Terrie brady
02:29:01
thank you nurit