I gladly hold any opening comments for time efficiency. If Ms. Margaret would like to share the experience I gladly support her representation of the group.

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I am here but I generally do not find that Ms Margaret et al need any backup!

Thanks Amy!

when speaking of training for CARB; I think staff training would need to look different than training for management/Board members.

Thank you Kevin Hamilton and Amy Kyle. Amy you brought your skills to keeping us focused and on track.

for instance, management training could include a module on identifying and supporting staff in the field who do have community support.

Amy for EPA Secretary!

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I think someone who has been hurt by the process could mistrust this as a burying of the issue. they may see dealing with it in the open, as the only safe place for them, because they want their treatment to be public record

How will these trainings be done in a way that does not take away from the time CSCs spend on the CAMP and/or CERP development? The timeline to get CERPs in is already tight.

The timeline would also be changed Cynthia. The CSC would decide what timeline they want to work under.

Thank you Kevin!

Would Wednesday, December 2nd at 1pm work?

thank you Ms. Margaret

Speaking of air toxics - please note the upcoming listening session *save the date for Dec 3 at 5pm*https://carbej.blogspot.com/2020/11/air-toxics-listening-session.html

I could make a Dec. 2 1-3PM meeting

I can do Dec 2nd.

12/2 works for me

I had suggested two weeks to edit on this. Then a week for CARB to put those edits together and provide a final draft.

AB 617 2020 community selection will be heard at Dec. 10 board meeting. I propose Wednesday December 16 at 1pm

December 16 1-3 works for me

I'm good with the 16th. Thanks Trish and I apologize to all for the miscommunication.

12/16 fine by me

Never that Jose!

You're the one that stood by us and helped to bridge our relationship with BAAQMD which I feel has significantly improved owing to the resolve shown by your office and the former ED of EJ at the CARB

Thanks Jose!

And VE now works for the BAAQMD

Thanks Matt! And Jose has been a great liaison in the Bay Area. I am now benefiting greatly! Dr. Balmes. :-)

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Justice delayed is justice denied is a maxim which means that even if remedy against an injury caused is available but not executed in due time, such a situation is comparable to having no remedy at all.

If you look at the public health costs....EVERYTHING proposed is cheap.

Agreed

If any of the AD's or a UC had had to develop this type of study their would have been a price tag. WTF Where's the Finance to this type of participatory research.

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Final note on cost effectiveness and public health costs, Would love to see the gov't folks help get the private public health providers involved. Could barely get the medical folks to a meeting in Richmond.

I have to go to another meeting at 3

cool I'll email you from matt@holmesconsulting.org

Ooops!

I look forward to hear from air districts. I like to hear the concerns. Its important to hear if there are red flags. Were used to seeing red flags so its important to have these conversations now so it helps further the development of the blueprint draft.

back to why AD staff and local communities need tobe trained by this consultation group

Great point Kurt and thanks for being open to have a more in depth discussion about the role of CARB and the relation with Ari Districts. We need to take into consideration that not all Air Districts have the same culture, the same historic relations with EJ advocates and the same attitude towards this process. That is why we need CARB to be a backstop to the Air District and have more recognized authority in the Blueprint and in reality to help Steering Committees address disagreements with Air Districts.

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Thank You

see something , say something

Unfortunately, I have to leave to go another meeting. Thank you all!

I agree with Nayamin's comment!

Some folks were raised to take up the whole sidewalk

@Kurt show us the way now. Bold actions Now. You’re not around much longer. Show us today how CARB can lead by example. OCAP has been under your watch.

Thank you Greg. SMART goals are time dependent

Thank you Kevin!

To Kevin's comments about Conflct resolution and, if needed, challenging the primacy of the regional air district. It is important. On a CERP design team We were told by a staff member "We didn't even have to do this with you." when we refused to serve up convenient consensus about an important issue. We were repeatedly denied the power to vote creating a minority rule scenario by default. Thankfully we have that power now. I hope no one else has to lose 6 months under the pretense of community leadership. we lost time and they sadly lost a lot of credibility that they have to reconstruct. And YES the timelines are not realistic.

Thinking that a conflict resolution process will be enough and we will not need to address the issue of authority... who has it CARB or the Air Districts, is very naïve....

I agree Nayamin. Any conflict resolution process has to include a final decision making authority should the CR process fail or one of the partners act in bad faith. CARB should probably lead on that. Another model (and I'm just spit balling here) might be a committee made up on representatives from CSC's within that air agency or district. The air district would have a seat as would CARB.

even well meaning folks can use a hearing test from time to time...there's a real chance here for public agencies to listen and fulfill their mission.

The People's Business

Thank you Nayamin & Matt!

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I think that is probably the main problem: that the Air Districts have unlimited authority to operate freely without any accountability to the communities they are supposed to serve as a public health agencies.

Well said Kevin

yep carb helped us too. I now very much enjoy the emerging dynamic with the baaqmd. staff. could have started that way with different planning. would have been easier on the district AND the community who is still willing to work with this deeply troubled funding source.

a republic if you can keep it

I have to sign off. Sorry.

Thanks Amy for all your work.

I like to recommend if we continue to work the details with Amy Kyle assistance with unders

WITH UNDERstanding that others may want to participate. Or. We move forward in this sub-committee to work our the details.

Proposal: 1) Do we favor working with Amy Kyle Adhoc Committee with others joining. 2) we continue to work in the Consultation Sub-Committee. I propose option (1)

Option 1.

With Understanding that any adhoc will continue to be brought to the subcommittee for discussion.

I'm fine with option 1

trish.johnson@arb.ca.gov

Greg Adhoc Committee

your willingness isn't required Steven

it was convivial exchange. you're just used to deference Steven. thanks for illustrating.

I think its important to learn what a safe space looks like for industry

Thanks again for the space to speak Ms. M; and thank you for the props Matt and Veronica! thanks for discussion everyone.