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Los Angeles Neighborhood Council Coalition (LANCC) - Shared screen with speaker view - Recording 1/2
Jennifer Goodie
05:29
Good morning everyone
Adriana De La Cruz
06:26
Raphael Gonzalez - Director of Outreach for the LA City council restricting commission
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)RVNC
08:03
Hello to all from Velinda & David
raquel beltran
09:33
Good morning colleagues. Happy to be joining you today.
Terrence Gomes SORONC
09:39
If you have any questions, feel free to post in the Q&A so that the questions can be addressed.
Glenn Bailey
14:03
Rafael Gonzalez, Director of Community Outreach and Engagement
Cindy Cleghorn
14:26
Terrence — is there a Q&A or is that here in the chat ? Thanks!
Terrence Gomes SORONC
15:15
Place your question in the chat please.
Tony Wilkinson
15:43
What is the relationship between LACity and LAUSD redistricting?
Glenn Bailey
15:43
There is no Q&A on this meeting so please use Chat to submit your questions. Questions only for this segment.
Terrence Gomes SORONC
16:04
There will be Q&A, but I want him to be aware of the questions if we do not get to all questions.
Jack Humphreville
17:22
are we able to get a copy of the Redistricting presentation?
Adriana De La Cruz
17:57
Yes Jack - will add to the website with the notes of the meeting
Terrence Gomes SORONC
18:05
I will ask to have it sent to me for placement on the LANCC website.
Glenn Bailey
20:00
Will the public hearings be held in person?
Glenn Bailey
21:25
Will you be scheduling each of the City Council hearings on a date that do NOT conflict with any of the Neighborhood Council Board meetings within that Council District?
Heather S. Michaels
22:19
this is great, and really so vital, to uplift and bring community leaders together.
raquel beltran
23:41
What an excellent response from NCs in such a short period of time!
Tony Wilkinson
23:42
An in-person meeting may limit participation.
Glenn Bailey
25:12
As always, the recording of this LANCC meeting will be posted on our LANCC meetings webpage www.LANCC.org
Heather S. Michaels
29:03
We are so happy to see this engagement to bring together all NCs, stakeholders and communities into this process. Uplifting, reinforcing effective communication and the message of outreach to our communities is empowering to folks. Public hearings, and NCs participation for the community we serve is so very important. This is wonderful. THANK YOU
Heather S. Michaels
30:12
yes, thank you Keren! That was what I wanted to also express, townhalls and round tables, continuing to encourage dialogue. Great comment
David Uebersax
30:28
One of the key issues from the 2010 process was polling--very specifically--NC's, because some had different opinions as to whether they wanted to have their boundaries entirely within one Council District--and others not. (In the West Valley, there were a couple of resulting changes, in each direction).
Glenn Bailey
30:32
RSVP for the June 9th 6:30 p.m. session via email: redistricting.lacity@lacity.org
Cindy Cleghorn
30:34
Sunland Tujunga was very active in the last redistricting effort. We worked with our fellow NCs (I have some great photos of our work). What will the current and potential candidates involvement be in this effort and their interaction within the communities and NCs? We have delivery of city services still 20 plus years behind and visible because our location has been shifted historically.
Pam Garrett
35:03
To be clear. the June 9th meeting is for NC members only.
David Uebersax
35:04
Good point Tony, but one thing to have in a transparent box is the issue dodged somewhat in 2010. Making sure that this is transcending the lure of gerrymandering by giving undue attention of political party.
Jack Humphreville
37:50
Do we trust the process? In 2010, it was corrupt. just look at how they shaped Huizar's district? Wesson's district. CD 4.
Cindy Cleghorn
38:56
How will the process be inclusive?
Leonard Shaffer
39:07
Jack, consider who is the ultimate decision maker
Cindy Cleghorn
40:05
The June 9 date conflicts with our NC meeting and we are not the only NC that meets 2nd Wed. Will another be set?
Heather S. Michaels
43:21
Hi Terrence, I had a brief and quick follow up comment, thank you. SO happy to see this great dialogue
Terrence Gomes SORONC
44:43
Heather, Place your question in the chat because he will be addressing those in a minute.
Terrence Gomes SORONC
45:25
How will NCs communicate a position to the Commission if the NC prepares a CIS?
Bob Gelfand
45:52
Failure to respond to the corruption of 2010 was a failure of the neighborhood council system, along with other civic groups. Koreatown should engage in advance to get its own council seat
Laura Meyers
45:56
Do we actually need a "CIS" (versus a letter) to address the Commission?
Bob Gelfand
47:16
One possibility for civic action is for all of us and our alliances to take official notice of any votes on the city council for a corrupt districting map.
Jack Humphreville
48:06
How many members of the Commission are on NCs?
Barbara Broide
48:26
As the Commission receives suggested maps, will the public be able to see the maps so that we might comment on how they might affect our communities? We might also see a map created by another organization or person that we think is "spot on."
Tony Wilkinson
48:33
CIS is not really applicable, in my opinion. But I think that VOLUME of testimony, at hearing and in email, is at least as important as an official NC resolution. That is, pass a resolution if you can, but then urge all Board members (and others) who care to provide direct personal input.
Jennifer Goodie
48:48
Is this just a shuffling around of the current seats or is creating new seats being investigated? At the CD level Los Angeles has the least representative local government of any major US City
Terrence Gomes SORONC
48:56
Are commission members selected by the CMs?
Sid Gold GHNNC
48:59
should community of interests be concentrated in one district or spread through through various
Barbara Broide
50:42
On both the City Council and the Board of Supervisors there are elected who will be termed out. How can these districts be treated equally to the others so that they are not seen to be open for cannibalization because of the lack of incumbents?
Bob Gelfand
51:28
The appointees to the Redistricting Commission are indicative of how grossly political the process is. The appointee from CD15 is clearly a political favor
Heather S. Michaels
52:20
Hi Rafael and Terrence -
Tony Wilkinson
52:49
Welcome to political reality, Bob. It is how it is. At least there is a strong element of thoughtfulness in LA's process, in my personal opinon.
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)RVNC
52:59
Somehow this all needs to be done as hybrid & many different time options for as many stakeholders to participate as possible!
Adriana De La Cruz
53:16
I see your hand Heather - I shall alert him
Adriana De La Cruz
54:07
Heather please place your question in the chat please
Bob Gelfand
54:07
Hi Tony: Reality is defined by the number of people who are mad enough to complain. It is not an eternal, ever defined function
Tony Wilkinson
54:58
My point in asking the question is that we (NCs) should ALSO look into the LAUSD process. Thanks for the reference to some of our friends on the LAUSD appointees.
Bob Gelfand
55:03
Total mediocrity on the commission
Keren Waters, Granada Hills North NC
58:00
Suggestions: We have to be efficient in our outreach: Know who is in our communities, what needs have been met and what needs have yet to be addressed. We have to listen to our communities and be able to communicate their unique needs.
Cindy Cleghorn
58:13
Yes
Heather S. Michaels
58:26
Hi Rafael and Terrence - My question in continuation - is engaging MORE townhall and 'round table' platforms. We have been doing this for many many years, And, in my work in media and television, engagement with folks over the decades, ROUND TABLE discussions were so vital, HELPFUL to encourage healthy dialogue, find common ground and address community concerns. I was so happy to hear this brought up. **I would like to propose a continued engagement of this type - as I had suggested this in other city meetings, something I would like to help ensue. THANK you for bringing folks together here, there has been so much empowering discussion. ** ALSO, partnering with NCS, bringing our NCs together across the board, working together, supporting these community events, city events, and sharing mutually that info. **People want to feel they are involved, participating and DO have a voice, ( I expanded on what I would have spoken about, in case there is no time to mention further). **ALSO, how can we FURTHER
Heather S. Michaels
58:53
Also how can we further help and be of support? Outreach, we can all be of support in countless ways. THANK YOU
Keren Waters, Granada Hills North NC
59:26
Please consider scheduling the meetings at the end of the month, as NC board meetings are normally not held the last week of the month.
Bob Gelfand
01:00:03
Perhaps we ought to have a simple, expedited process for adjusting nc boundaries as part of the redistricting process. It seems a little unreasonable to expect that the redistricting process should be expected to adjust its map to our own microscopic interests
Tony Wilkinson
01:00:44
We have at least 35 Republicans in the NE Valley. We should have map to make sure they are fairly treated!! :))
Glenn Bailey
01:01:03
RSVP for the June 9th 6:30 p.m. session via email: redistricting.lacity@lacity.org
Bob Gelfand
01:03:05
Tony: The nc system is making clear that it does not allow for Republican participation, else it would not demand political reeducation camps in the guise of the sensitivity training
Tony Wilkinson
01:03:06
To Bob's point, some of us have BIG local issues (based on 'communities of interest'). Others have fewer such. Showing up at the hearings is important for those who have strong local interests.
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)RVNC
01:03:53
Sorry all Q Repu's must find a new political party... reality matters & justice will prevail over delusional sedition!
Bob Gelfand
01:04:29
Tony et al: I recommend reading Tom Wolf’s Radical Chic and Mau Mauing the flak catchers. This is just an extended version of flak catching
Jennifer Goodie
01:04:42
So the people that have the most self-interest in it not necessarily being fair and representative are the ultimate decision makers -- those that have already shown themselves to be corrupt. Big surprise.
Glenn Bailey
01:04:47
In the Valley, second Wednesday is a popular night for NC Board meetings: including Porter Ranch, Sunland-Tujunga, Van Nuys, and Woodland Hills-Warner Center NCs
Tony Wilkinson
01:05:23
David and Velinda, I am way beyond political parties now. SO many issues that are common and being ignored by both parties.
David Uebersax
01:06:02
Bob...at least they don't force us to make Nikes!
Bob Gelfand
01:06:06
Tony — please list the issues that the D Party is ignoring.
Bob Gelfand
01:08:06
The point about Koreatown is that the complaints were registered before the City Council passed the map and they still went ahead with it.
David Uebersax
01:08:40
I have an idea, while the Chat is freeing (as opposed to concerns last month), let's preface things for Rafael with QUESTION
Laura Meyers
01:08:45
I think a "Resolution" should suffice -- it is more than a letter ("Whereas, Whereas, Whereas...Now Therefore our opinion is..."), so long as there is a place or manner to upload it. For example, for the Cultural Heritage Commission or any area Planning Commission or the citywide Planning Commission, we have to submit to the Commission secretariat. But the City Attorney has ruled that such a submission of a Resolution works to allow an NC to then have the extra time to speak at the respective commission.
Jack Humphreville
01:08:53
are commissioners allowed to discuss redistricting with members of the Council and their staffs? if so, are those discussions a matter of public record?
Sharon Brewer
01:09:04
Will the redistricting commission meetings be recorded so public and NCs can hear these meetings/
Tony Wilkinson
01:09:11
Bob, One third of people lost their jobs in a medical pandemic, and ALSO lost their health care because it was tied to their EMPLOYMENT. Totally illogical. Only nation in the Western world that has such an illogical health system. That's just one.
Cindy Cleghorn
01:09:46
Follow up re 6/9 meeting— you’re saying there’s a limit of # board members so it’s not really a meeting for NCs. I think this needs to be communicated broadly then. Because you’re saying that if a “more than quorum” shows up they could be violating the brown act. Therefore their engagement, education, information on redistricting can only be through or at their own NC meetings. Can this be better clarified ?
Glenn Bailey
01:10:27
RSVP for the June 9th 6:30 p.m. session via email: redistricting.lacity@lacity.org
Bob Gelfand
01:11:03
Tony — I guess you missed the first 15 presidential debates for Democrats back in 2020. Health care was just about all they talked about. And I’m still waiting for one Republican vote in the senate for any health care fix
Tony Wilkinson
01:11:40
Cindy (personal view) this is no different from any other meeting we go to where some item may be before our Board. One answer is to take a Board position BEFORE the meeting, and then attendance of more than a quorum is not an issue. (I'm not a lawyer. Layman's reading of Brown Act.)\
Cindy Cleghorn
01:12:27
How many staff members are assisting the redistricting commission and will we know who they are? Either paid or volunteer?
Tony Wilkinson
01:13:09
Bob, both parties TALK a good line to get votes, then do whatever their corporate campaign contributors wangt them to do.
Bob Gelfand
01:13:24
Question to David and Terrence: Are we going to take up the whole meeting on this topic? If our input were going to be effective, it would be merited, but all I’m hearing from the spokesman is platitudes
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)RVNC
01:14:07
CD 15 is the most difficult to change because it is the most gernandered area in LA!
Barbara Broide
01:15:09
Concerns re: cannibalization: Will the district(s) that have no incumbants be the districts that are most likely to get chopped up, moved and fail to remain/be part of any of their existing areas.
Bob Gelfand
01:15:30
Velinda andDavid: CD 15 is the port and the shoe string and cannot be changed up through Harbor Gateway because otherwise putting it in more than one district would violate the basic rules.
Cindy Cleghorn
01:15:49
Tony - I understand but he called it out and it could be confusing especially since there are many distractors who like to call out brown act violation. I confirm that knowledge is important and NC leaders should participate as broadly as possible.
Bob Gelfand
01:16:20
May I suggest putting an end to this agenda item by 11:25 at the latest
Glenn Bailey
01:18:08
After the Redistricting topic concludes, next up is DONE General Manager Raquel Beltran providing her NC update
Jennifer Goodie
01:21:06
I think attendance at these meetings would be fine under the Brown Act. "The third exception allows a legislative body majority to attend an open and publicized meeting held byanother organization to address a topic of local community concern. Again, a majority cannot discussamong themselves, other than as part of the scheduled program, business of a specific nature that is withintheir local agency’s subject matter jurisdiction. "
Laura Meyers
01:22:52
This is not a question that needs an answer, but although Koreatown and Los Angeles have the largest Korean American population in the United States, the question for redistricting is: is the Korean American or larger Asian American population in Los Angeles close enough together and large enough to justify a single Council District that brings this Community of Interest together? I don't have an answer or opinion, just that this was a major topic of controversy ten years ago.
Miho Murai, HCNNC
01:23:32
Our NC will require Cantonese translator. HCNNC
Miho Murai, HCNNC
01:24:34
Also, as an ADA accommodation, I would suggest having live transcribing (I.e. subtitles).
Bob Gelfand
01:24:45
To the organizers: Might I suggest that time limits (or at least guidelines) be put on future agendas. If I had understood that we would still be talking about districting at 11:25, I would have done something else. We already heard the presentation at the HaNC on Wednesday
Keren Waters, Granada Hills North NC
01:25:01
Our stakeholders and NC boards consist of everyone, from all walks of life, non-voters as well as those from a political party. We represent the needs of all our stakeholders and have to be careful not to disrespect one or the other.
Sharon Brewer
01:25:04
Will the 19 meetings that take place be recorded?
Keren Waters, Granada Hills North NC
01:26:46
Thank you Rafael and Raquel!
Glenn Bailey
01:26:47
Redistricting only happens once every ten years....this is only the second time in the history of Neighborhood Councils so let's get this right
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)RVNC
01:27:20
Please keep the multi lingual thing on top of mind!
Adriana De La Cruz
01:27:25
Thank you Rafael for your presentation
Glenn Bailey
01:27:38
RSVP for the June 9th 6:30 p.m. session via email: redistricting.lacity@lacity.org
David Uebersax
01:28:30
Rafael...some day, we'll get a sit-com based on this script...maybe Ted Danson will join us next time?
Glenn Bailey
01:31:51
Update topics please: CORE training modules, Bylaws amendments process and reopening, Council File 21-0407 input
Bob Gelfand
01:31:52
I think we should have our own discussion without DONE about getting back on track. Notice that DONE is developing a system in which we have to ask permission for everything
Jennifer Goodie
01:32:04
Anyone else see this? https://i.imgur.com/70IAgt6.jpg It's a returned NC Election ballot (I believe for Region 11), says it couldn't be delivered as addressed in its unaltered envelope from the City
Tony Wilkinson
01:35:58
One option is to allow physical meetings (that are combined with virtual) outside the boundaries at joint-use facilities (like Valley City Hall). The whole must meet within *NC* boundaries is a *DONE/BONC* construct. There is some opinion that the boundaries of the NC, a city agency, are LEGALLY the entire city. Having meeting far away just clearly would not be fair.
Tony Wilkinson
01:36:51
I also agree with Laura about focusing only on BOARD meetings and allowing committees (which are not official city DECISION MAKING bodies) to continue to be online.
David Uebersax
01:40:10
Our normal venue--with a ceiling mounted projector for large screen--will be ready for meetings with limited capacity after June 15. We can fit the Board, and would need to have a room camera perhaps, but the question is not only about number of guests on site, but also whether Board Members Zooming in counts still as Quorum.
Bob Gelfand
01:43:27
There seems to be a developing concept that people who have been vaccinated can take their chances with the rest of humanity because the vaccine confers enough immunity to protect us against all but insignificant disease. Those who refuse vaccination are assumed to be willing to take their own chances. We might consider adding video coverage of all our board meetings for those who are physically or immunologically unable to attend.
Tony Wilkinson
01:46:19
Glenn is being delicate. If there is going to be a "template", we would love to have *NC INPUT* that you can consider before publishing a "template".
Jennifer Goodie
01:46:54
@Tony, that seems really out of character for how DONE currently operates
Cindy Cleghorn
01:49:17
The bottom line is to be inclusive and not divisive. Perhaps contractors can be looked into for a live service. The State of CA pre pandemic already had a camera set up and phone in process. Perhaps that could be explored. Example: the board decides who will sit live and the remainder on Zoom or alternative. A space for the public live and on Zoom or by phone. Give the NCs some choices and that they decide based on their NC. (Example in ST is that our municipal bldg has been under remodel and divided up for other uses. Expect limited if any access in the short or long term future. Alternative is our local schools which was STs last location. Can DONE assist with the paperwork as they use to years ago to simplify location access, even if churches?)
Tony Wilkinson
01:50:10
A "template" should not DENY an NC the ability to ave its own grievance process. If actually USED, that could relieve DONE's need to rely on what I think is a problematic ordinance process.
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)RVNC
01:54:39
The question is why is DONE afraid of Don Toy?
Jennifer Goodie
01:55:12
yikes
Bob Gelfand
01:56:27
Don’t ever expect DONE to obey the rules — they have put a neighborhood council on exhaustive efforts without ever revealing the violation that led to the EE determination, even though this is something that is required by law
Glenn Bailey
01:56:42
@David R. - ask Mike Fong regarding your Don Toy (HCNNC) question....
Tony Wilkinson
01:57:43
GM Beltran did not crete the current grievance process. I personally think it is broken and needs to be revisited.
Tony Wilkinson
01:58:03
create
Cindy Cleghorn
02:00:20
DONE should have the translation for NCs at the ready. They don’t. Their debacle in that for Historic Cultural was wrong. It’s DONE’s responsibility to be prepared.
Bob Gelfand
02:00:34
Sounds like DONE does not really accept grievance board judgments
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)RVNC
02:00:47
Don Toy controls 8 board members that don't use cameras but meet during COVID-19 but Hendrix guitar feedback is the problem! Miho is super reasonable about all this... it's the secret signals that are at issue!
Tony Wilkinson
02:00:53
For Historic Cultural North, I somehow can't envision the same lengths of bend over backwards would ever be applied to a Spanish speaking NC with equivalent access challenges. The situation is just so wrong that I can't see how it is being allowed to go forward.
Bob Gelfand
02:02:42
I strongly agree with Jack regarding oversight of DONE and offer to help
Tony Wilkinson
02:04:47
Now I'm going to get in trouble if I vote YES. I probably will, though I still think working cooperatively with DONE is the best way to go. At least this committee could elevate specific issues. That could help.
Jennifer Goodie
02:06:10
In theory, BONC is supposed the be the oversight commission for BONC, but Commission Lipmen has stated it isn't their job.
Jennifer Goodie
02:06:19
* for DONE
Jack Humphreville
02:06:24
Motion: Create a Citizens Oversight Committee to review the performance of DONE and its relationship to NCs and to make recommendations to improve the relationship with NCs. There would be representatives from the 12 regions.
Tony Wilkinson
02:06:41
Bad rap on the Congress, Bob. We are planning to have constructive discussions of challenging areas on NC governance.
Heather S. Michaels
02:07:06
my OVERSIGHT comment, is more pertaining to NC oversight. TO OVERSIGHT and ethics between all NC representatives
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:09:08
@ Cindy, the problem is that our Chair has cancelled regular board meetings and called special board meetings and so it is hard for DONE to know when to order translators. Personally, I think our Executive Committee should be responsible for requesting translators (or delegate that to our current administrative assistant, Terrence Gomes) and should provide the translation vendor at least 2 business days notice.
Heather S. Michaels
02:09:34
issues, should be a collaborative communication - DIALOGUE, to improve relationships across the board. THIS is a great step forward, to help improve those relationships
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:09:42
I would support this motion and would be interested in being a member of this Committee
Cindy Cleghorn
02:11:42
Miho - I understand. But there needs better NEA support in this regard. The translation at the grievance was a recap by the translator.
Adriana De La Cruz
02:13:08
that already seems to be happening at every meeting or alliance anyway thought Tony - the meeting is better suited to allow the depart to make themselves avail regular like each NC does as a general meeting
Glenn Bailey
02:14:19
Motion from Jack: Motion: Create a Citizens Oversight Committee to review the performance of DONE and its relationship to NCs and to make recommendations to improve the relationship with NCs. There would be representatives from the 12 regions.
Adriana De La Cruz
02:14:24
is this correct: Motion from Jack: Motion: Create a Citizens Oversight Committee to review the performance of DONE and its relationship to NCs and to make recommendations to improve the relationship with NCs. There would be representatives from the 12 regions.
Heather S. Michaels
02:15:07
I would like to be on this group, for help to encourage POSITIVE dialogue. THIS is not to be a gripe session, as Tony mentioned. BRINGING folks together, in positive engagement to discuss SOLUTIONS is what I would like to achieve, and the very reason I want to be on this committee. Together, we work together to find common ground and reinforce this communication to help NCs and Committees work more effectively and productively. Being a part of the solution. This is my hope, and the reason I would like to participate in helping to find solutions. We work together for the communities we serve, and in that we need to function in a professional and productive manner. - Heather
Jennifer Goodie
02:16:44
I am interested in participating as well
Kay Hartman
02:16:48
I volunteer for the committee also.
ASAAD ALNAJJAR-PRNC
02:17:26
I volunteer for the committee. Use email Asaad.alnajjar@gmail.com
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:18:11
@ Cindy, the translator was not aware that our board members who required the translation had called in by phone and were NOT using zoom which provides simultaneous translation (at the grievance hearing). I agree that translation is crucial but our Chair does not even provide agendas that are translated in Cantonese to our board members who require them. Our NEAs does what she can when she is notified of the meetings; however, many times she is not provided ADVANCE notice of the meetings in order to request a translator. Again, we have an administrative assistant who prepares our agendas and so he really should also be ordering the interpreter.
Laura Meyers
02:18:18
Laura/UNNC abstains -- I am not the designated rep
Laura Meyers
02:18:39
Even if I am the only person who usually attends!
Jack Humphreville
02:19:15
yes
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:19:31
HCNNC votes yes and Miho would like to volunteer for the Committee
Pam Garrett
02:20:52
Not designated rep for WNC
Bob Gelfand
02:22:08
For agenda item 3, a response to the Arts etc committee voting to support the Rodriguez motion:
Bob Gelfand
02:22:33
Resolved, the Los Angeles Neighborhood Council Coalition opposes the Los Angeles City Council motion (CF-21-0407) by Council member Monica Rodriguez which, if acted on, could do serious damage to the neighborhood council election system. We view with concern the action by council members Lee, Bonin, and Ridley-Thomas, who voted for and passed this motion at the Arts, Parks, Health, Education and Neighborhoods Committee.
ASAAD ALNAJJAR-PRNC
02:22:39
Excellent motion. We should all support DONE and work as a team to accomplish goals and serve the community.
Bob Gelfand
02:24:12
One suggestion regarding our relation to the city: The BONC should meet at the most, quarterly
Cindy Cleghorn
02:25:21
Miho - I understand but the system for the support NCs need is “distracted” and needs improvement.
Glenn Bailey
02:25:37
@Bob: LANCC voted to oppose CF 21-0407 at last month's meeting
Bob Gelfand
02:26:54
Yes Glenn — this is about the support by Lee, Bonin, and Ridley-Thomas, which I see as something between kissing up to Rodriguez and Cedillo and a declaration of war against our whole system
Tony Wilkinson
02:28:18
The way the city is NOW using bylaws violates "best practice" as recommended by parliamentarians. City now puts DETAILED regulatory language into bylaws. Bylaws should be the BROAD ESSENTIALS. The kind of things that BONC regularly asks be inserted into bylaws could be separately maintained as policies just as city ordinances are maintained. The NC bylaws should refer to BONC policies and we go THERE to see the details. City is turning "bylaws" into an operation handbook.
Phyllis Ling (HCNNC, not voting)
02:29:45
Cindy - Support for NCs need improvement, but our board has real problems from our Executive Committee choosing not to avail themselves to basic information, and give our NEA, stakeholders, and some board members the runaround.
Tony Wilkinson
02:29:56
NO WE DON'T. Only a *MINORITY* have isues they ask DONE to fix, and then we get a rule for all 99 NCs that solves the issues on five ncs.
Tony Wilkinson
02:30:48
The personal behavior is beyond bylaws. Need so other / additional ways to address those issues.
Tony Wilkinson
02:31:01
some other
Tony Wilkinson
02:32:27
As GM Beltran is saying, these inter-personal issues should be part of our equity and inclusion NEW processes we should be developing.
Cindy Cleghorn
02:34:19
Phyllis - I understand. Hope for a better system of support. We’re volunteers and take this seriously for our communities.
Tony Wilkinson
02:34:49
Putting people on RECORDED, PERMANENT video display is (my opinion) one of the best way to address bad behavior in meetings.
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:35:59
I agree, Tony, but unfortunately the majority of our board members don't use email or apparently do not know how to use a computer.
Tony Wilkinson
02:36:35
I hope (as I understood the motion) that we just created a COMMITTEE.
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:37:55
I completely agree with GM Beltran. Non-citizens can be board members of NCs and can vote but many do not know. When I ran for NC, I went door to door, especially in communities which usually are not able to vote in regular elections due to their citizenship (and don't because of language barriers).
Keren Waters, Granada Hills North NC
02:38:25
The Neighborhood Council system is definitely not for everyone. Those who are unable/unwilling to work with all people, and serve all people, should not serve on a Neighborhood Council.
ASAAD ALNAJJAR-PRNC
02:39:54
Citizens committee will be great to stop NC Board members from being abusive and to hold accountable when violations occur. This would be similar to LAPD C-PAB that are citizens addressing LAPD issues.
Lydia Grant
02:40:51
It was an LAPD Sgt. that contacted the Department
Bob Gelfand
02:40:58
My nc has, on occasion, brought in paid security and our budget covered it
Lydia Grant
02:41:14
I spoke with him myself.
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:41:29
@Jack and all, is it too late to amend the motion to "Create a Community Oversight Committee..."
Cindy Cleghorn
02:41:57
Is there any budget for safety ?
Heather S. Michaels
02:42:09
Regarding OVERSIGHT. I really hope those repeat offenders in NCs, that have repeatedly violated ethics in the egregious issues we have seen, be held accountable for their actions. When folks take an OATH, it is just that.. to behave professionally, ETHICALLY and responsibly. It is so deeply concerning that ANY NC would behave unprofessionally and unethically. THIS discussion of an oversight committee, I really do hope is a method to help irradiate any unethical conduct and reinforce POSITIVE engagement among members, AS it was intended when we all chose to run for Neighborhood Council.
Velinda&DavidRockello(they/them)RVNC
02:42:35
Yes please let's have a new place to get into all this!
Keren Waters, Granada Hills North NC
02:43:48
Councilmember Lee is the Chair of the Arts, Neighborhoods, etc. committee, of LA City Council, which oversees Neighborhood Councils. His office should be included on all matters regarding DONE and NCs.
Adriana De La Cruz
02:43:58
how did you earmark the expense for it to pay the vendor Bob ? curious on why you felt you needed ti - probably a great story
Tony Wilkinson
02:44:25
I really hate the word oversight in this context.
Bob Gelfand
02:44:38
My guess is that these problems at board meetings are due to chairs who don’t know what they are doing and board members who don’t know their own rights
Tony Wilkinson
02:44:47
Adriana, attorneys cost $250 per hour at least. no money.
Tony Wilkinson
02:46:10
So we have ONE budget funded with federal gifts. T
Adriana De La Cruz
02:46:18
tony - they have a budget of their own - they should include any costs for appearances and take if from their own - never understood why they should charge that way - they are civil servants and need to serve- when the need is their - do they charge BONC for each meeting appearance - if so that needs to change
Heather S. Michaels
02:46:24
yes. Keren, Councilmember Lee should be engaged and participating in this area, so folks know he is involved.
Tony Wilkinson
02:46:34
Lots of the things in this year's budget are unsustainable.
Glenn Bailey
02:46:49
The FY 2021-22 Budget was approved and signed. See Council File 21-0600
Adriana De La Cruz
02:47:08
Tony you can have an agreement to have an oversight committee for each dept when you think on it
Cindy Cleghorn
02:48:02
Bob - yes and no — boards are thrown Brown Act violation scares all the time and city attorney advice not in writing.
Glenn Bailey
02:48:16
Here is the Budget CF link: https://cityclerk.lacity.org/lacityclerkconnect/index.cfm?fa=ccfi.viewrecord&cfnumber=21-0600
Lou Caravella
02:48:33
I’m sure the Oversight Committee established today will come up with an appropriate name for itself like, for example, “Oversight Committee,” but it’s important not to demonize “Citizen” as a dirty word. Most immigrants’ path to citizenship requires sacrifice, years, and work. Immigrants who earn citizenship are usually very proud of their accomplishment.
Glenn Bailey
02:50:20
Draft Communications Media Policy for Neighborhood Councilshttp://tiny.cc/DigitalCommunicationsPolicyReport
Phyllis Ling (HCNNC, not voting)
02:50:26
Bob - In HCNNC’s case, a minority of our board tries to assert its rights, but the majority (oftentimes 2/3 majority) supports the Chair and doesn’t care.
Miho Murai, HCNNC
02:50:50
Unfortunately, though, citizenship is not available to many immigrants who wish to become citizenships, i.e. DACA - children who were brought here by their parents and only know the US as their home.
Cindy Cleghorn
02:51:03
Lou — thank you — I come from a family of immigrants and know the struggles and years well.
Kay Hartman
02:53:25
Please email Congress at lacongressnc@gmail.com. Please follow us on social media at Los Angeles Congress of Neighborhoods (@LACongressNC). Our new web page is https://www.nccongressla.com/
Kay Hartman
02:53:47
The form to contribute to the Congress can be found at https://clerk.lacity.org/sites/g/files/wph1491/files/2021-05/Congress-Budget-Advocacy-Funding-Contribution-Form-rev051921-fillable.pdf
Heather S. Michaels
02:54:11
We have a Congress Planning Committee meeting at 1:30 pm, directly after LANCC meeting. Meeting ID 465 752 5454 Please join us for our June Planning Committee Meeting.On the agenda:-Congress 2021 Schedule-Sponsorship Packages-Subcommittee updates (Outreach, Programming, Production, Budget & Finance, Policies & Procedures)-And More!
Valerie
02:55:49
if you are going to have a hybrid meeting it should be required that each member has a computer/laptop/tablet with a camera so the board and public can see the NC member. If the board member does not have a computer/laptop/tablet the NC should provide one to them. This is the only way to have some form of transparency.
Cindy Cleghorn
02:55:50
Thank you LANCC for this participation process. Have a great day everyone!!! Be well.
Adriana De La Cruz
02:56:19
thank you Glenn for that reminder
Kay Hartman
02:56:37
Zoom link for the planning committee meeting ishttps://us02web.zoom.us/j/4657525454
Jennifer Goodie
02:59:29
Can we get a reminder of when the Congress is planned for? Is it Sept?
Jennifer Goodie
02:59:35
thanks
Adriana De La Cruz
02:59:59
Last Saturday of the month - Sept 25th
Heather S. Michaels
03:00:39
Sept 25 is the next CONGRESS event, that we are currently in production and planning mode. We encourage and invite folks to join us!
Heather S. Michaels
03:02:27
if I might, have just 1 quick sentence to add Terrence.
Terrence Gomes SORONC
03:04:03
Please put the comment in the chat Heather.