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ISRAELI PALESTINIAN PEACE SIMULATION - Shared screen with speaker view
Charles Fredricks
28:41
I invite everyone to read my latest column on LAProgresive.com, “Toward A Survivable Identity”
Charles Fredricks
28:45
https://www.laprogressive.com/progressive-issues/toward-a-survivable-identity
Rochelle Cleaver
29:53
Thank you.
Charles Fredricks
30:39
Also this one: “There Is Another Way For Israel-Palestine"
Charles Fredricks
30:42
https://www.laprogressive.com/elections/another-way-for-israel-palestine
Ori Bennett
33:07
Bad to compare a multi-racial democracy like Israel, to the white supremacy movement in the USA. Progressive obsession with delegitimizing Jews is made more apparent every day, and is not helpful to peace. Are you here just to promote your agitation propaganda?
Len Bennett
33:49
UNFINISHED WORK is a 30-year retrospective.I have written 7000+ letters, primarily covering human rights and the Arab-Israeli conflict.500 were published in newspapers around the world.UNFINISHED WORK contains 225 of my printed letters. https://www.amazon.com/Unfinished-Work-Letters-Defense-Israel/dp/1999105605
Charles Fredricks
47:23
Ori, the point of the piece is to point out the solution (I hope you’ll agree) is that everyone needs to find the common ground on which they can agree which includes recognition of equal rights for any ‘other’, AND our rights are contingent on our relationship with that which sustains us, the Earth system as a whole, not just the land on which we stand. If we fail to do so we are not recognizing the reality of our situation and all our actions will only result in engineering our own destruction— true regardless of ethnicity/nationality/location.
Rochelle Cleaver
49:54
I live in Queens, NY. Is it important whether I speak of it as New York or Queens? Does that matter?
Rochelle Cleaver
54:01
If the 2 states cannot come to an agreement, then perhaps this IPC might find a common ground.
Rochelle Cleaver
54:36
What great philosopher said "IF MANKIND CAN DREAM OF IT, IT CAN HAPPEN."
Len Bennett
57:13
I see the IPC like the EU.
Roger Eaton
59:25
Have to go. Good to see the IPC simulations continuing.
Mogamat Craayenstein
01:12:46
What happens when Israel wants to extend Israeli legislation to settlers on Palestinian territory and it discriminates against Palestinians. How would the IPC deal with this? The current impasse demonstrates this.
Rochelle Cleaver
01:15:35
The IPC would then go back AND PROPOSE OTHER LEIGSLATION.
Rochelle Cleaver
01:18:55
Should all the legislators also pledge allegiance to God, whether God they believe in?
Mogamat Craayenstein
01:20:14
The last general election was won by Hamas.
Mona Ali KHALIL
01:21:47
they won the legislative election - not the presidential election
Rochelle Cleaver
01:32:00
The only thing that is going to make peace is when the Palestinians stop hating Jews. Six thousand years of hating is what is stopping peace.
Rochelle Cleaver
01:32:58
Hate is what leads to war and destruction.
Rochelle Cleaver
01:34:31
If the Palestinians stopped trying to destroy the Jews, then peace will prevail.
Nerina Cecchin
01:35:28
Israeli forces and Israeli settlers also need to stop the attacks, killings, robbery of land, ecc
Karine Benoualid-Montreal
01:35:54
Hamas will continue to exist for many decades, it has already shaped and will continue to influence every Palestinian in the region and world.
Nerina Cecchin
01:37:07
Peace makers like IPC need to intervene to stop the conflicts, violence, deaths, ecc
Rochelle Cleaver
01:41:07
I voted Israeli yes but my vote was not counted.
Nerina Cecchin
01:41:28
Joseph specifically asked us to represent an area as Parliament members
Rochelle Cleaver
01:42:06
This IPC meeting is fraudulent by obstructionist intervention.
Mogamat Craayenstein
01:43:36
It will help if people were just given an opportunity to reset. Just give people a chance to to appreciate the importance of choosing a position and remain consistent with the interests driving that position.
Rochelle Cleaver
01:43:40
Josef - please go on with the rest of the meeting because it is fraudulent by obstructionists.
Rochelle Cleaver
01:44:43
Okay don't vote - leave.
Rochelle Cleaver
01:45:51
Omar please stop shouting.
Rochelle Cleaver
01:49:04
This measure failed with these participants, but not with the two years before group of participants. This group loses today. They are not looking for peace.
Rochelle Cleaver
01:49:26
This group is looking to fight.
Nerina Cecchin
01:50:47
The group is not understanding the mission of IPC
Rochelle Cleaver
01:51:17
They are looking only to disrupt and everytime I submit my vote, I am told the voting has been closed.
Nerina Cecchin
01:51:40
OMG
Rochelle Cleaver
01:52:50
Josef - please ignore the votes and comments of the new members today. They are not honest and are only holding up progress and the peace progress. "Every a__ ____ has an opinion."
Nerina Cecchin
02:01:20
Well said
Nerina Cecchin
02:01:38
Mona please keep coming back
Rochelle Cleaver
02:12:41
It's not the regular people. Just the people in charge and politicians are the problems. Most people all over the world just want a better life for themselves and their children and they are very nice.
Libby Traubman
02:12:55
thanks for a meaningful exchange I must leave and look forward to the next gathering Libby
Bill Slaughter
02:16:02
“Beyond the Nation-State: The Zionist Political Imagination from Pinsker to Ben-Gurion” Dmitry Shumsky, Yale U. Press, 2018 gets to some of this…
Ori Bennett
02:20:46
Arabs rejected a binational one state solution at the UN. Proposed and rejected
Mona Ali KHALIL
02:22:56
not exactly they objected to the UN granting 55% of the land to 30% of the population
lawrence Wilkerson
02:29:13
If there is an assassination of an Al-Jazeera journalist….
OMAR HUDA
02:29:30
Role of USA should be discussed. Due to influence of powerful AIPAC, USA has lost her position of an honest broker, like President Carter had been.
Mogamat Craayenstein
02:33:03
A benefit of the IPC vision is that it stimulates the imaginations of people with pre-existing commitments, either way or no way, about possible political horizons outside the status quo. The IPC need not be right or wrong. The IPC just needs to do what it is doing. take into account some criticisms as suggestions to improve.
Bill Slaughter
02:35:05
thanks all! : )