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AERO Conference - June 2022 - Shared screen with speaker view
Samantha Kifer
07:49:36
ABSOLUTELY! About child discrimination
Al M
07:50:43
Sudbury says ‘Trust’ is the essential requirement
Al M
07:51:06
…Trusting the kids
Samantha Kifer
07:53:31
WOW SO PROFOUND: be willing to be ridiculed because that's how change begins
Willow Oceanseed
07:53:34
I love philosophizing about education and I'm really excited by unschooling and sometimes I imagine creating 'schools' but when I vision my ideal of what a 'school' it's really a learning community that supports all the values that dayna talks about. so i'm curious how does the concept of 'learning community' fit into unschooling philosophy? sometimes I don't see much difference between 'free schools' and unschooling except that it's a place for lots of kids to go (maybe with less focus on parenting) but could there be free schools for unschoolers? questions I have!
Willow Oceanseed
07:54:04
have!
Samantha Kifer
07:57:58
Are you familiar with Collaborative and Proactive Solutions by Dr. Ross Greene? Very in alignment with Partnership based parenting
Willow Oceanseed
08:00:06
wow, if my kids learned 'boundaries' in that way they wouldn't be very skilled with having boundaries of their own!
Sylvie
08:00:11
LOL. My youngest has never gone to bed before 1am. The reactions to this are so strong!
Samantha Kifer
08:01:32
DAMN I am SO inspired with how you held your own in that space Dayna!
Samantha Kifer
08:01:54
You spoke with clarity and confidence and stuck to your truth
Willow Oceanseed
08:03:13
my heart hurts so much when i see parents talking like in that video... i hope i can learn to let that stuff go and just trust myself...
Daniel Merino
08:05:29
I didn´t know you, and now I admire you so much. I´m with you, parenting is so ciritical. Love and support!
Michael Maser
08:05:30
Hear here, Dayna ... your story resonates with me. I learned to ignore the criticism (for the most part) and amplify what was clearly positive in the messaging I have created and shared about home learning and alt-ed.
Luba Vangelova
08:07:21
For anyone who is interested, here is an in-depth discussion about the Collaborative and Proactive Solutions methodology that Samantha Kilfer mentioned above, which is a parenting approach aligned with what Dayna is discussing. Actually, it's relevant to much more than just parenting; it can be used in any relationship. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P4Hu0NOW4w&t=4s
Willow Oceanseed
08:08:16
Is the book you were referring to Raising Human Beings: Creating a Collaborative Partnership with Your Childby Ross W. Greene, Jonathan Todd Ross?
Willow Oceanseed
08:08:39
that's the closest title i can find
Michael Maser
08:10:10
What a brilliant answer, Devin! “I'm happy, of course it's the right thing to do!”
Michael Maser
08:11:27
John Holt: “Trust children.”
Clara Atal
08:12:26
The interviewer was re calibrating his own belief systems as he asked the questions.
Michael Maser
08:13:59
Here's what I think is radical: separating children for hours every day, for months and years, segregating them by their ‘manufacturing date’, forcing them to sit in chairs, ask permission to attend to bodily needs, and ignore their own learning dispositions and passions ... and that's just a start.
Al M
08:14:08
Ya, Clara, That was cool -- especially compared to all those freaking out about 2 am!!
Al M
08:15:15
Yes Mike = radically wrong!
Clara Atal
08:15:48
Personal agency. No adult or child wants to have their existence dictated by others.
Samantha Kifer
08:16:36
Yep, and personal agency/control relates a LOT to mental health issues too
Sylvie
08:19:02
Answer from my oldest kid to “how do you learn?” = "I just play, that's how I learn!’
Samantha Kifer
08:19:34
Love that Sylvie
Stephanie Shuler
08:21:24
Thank you everyone. Great talk
Michael Maser
08:21:56
When my daughter left home to go to university - her choice that my wife and I totally supported - I ended up seeking counseling, for me, because I was quite distraught; I knew the separation was part of 'nature's plan' but, after after the deep bonds we'd formed as a family through years of home learning, and some schooling - I felt the raw edges, painfully.
Samantha Kifer
08:24:57
Can you speak to what your kids are all doing now as adults?
Clara Atal
08:28:14
Parenting is incredibly humbling.
Sabrina (HoustonEd.org)
08:31:37
@Dayna: Curious about the relationship with passive technology or social media for your children during their teenage years and maybe now? Did you structure screen time?
Michael Maser
08:31:48
Grounding, too, Clara. I know when I became a father I was thrilled to be thrust into a role that many billions of other men had gone through before me. I was scared, too, of course, but I had a good friend who helped prep me for what proclaimed would be an “exhilarating ride", which was so true. I wish men were more networked and forthright about such affairs!
Sylvie
08:39:07
Seeing how my kids in SDE learn math is so so interesting and they are so creative! And why do they always want to solve math problems at 10:30pm is beyond me, but it's my reality. LOL
Willow Oceanseed
08:42:42
i did that, so MUCH fun, my hands were killing me after just a few square inches of chainmaille though!
Samantha Kifer
08:54:21
How do you support the unschooling lifestyle? In terms of household income and how you economically support yourselves when you spend so much time with your kids? And how can we make this more accessible to families who maybe don't have those options?
Samantha Kifer
08:56:16
Sweet! Another fellow fire dancer!
Michael Maser
08:56:45
Your talk has been an inspiring walk down memory lane for me, Dayna, though I only had one daughter. It came with plenty of challenges but every day we all experienced a learning adventure.
Sylvie
08:57:30
@Samantha: for our family, we downsized our home and possessions so our costs are lower, and we find many items via the local Buy Nothing groups, libraries, go for free first, then look at thrift stores, etc…
Daniel Merino
09:00:02
What would you have done if one of your kids wanted to go to a traditional school, knowing what you know today?
Michael Maser
09:00:06
@Samantha we re-calibrated our expectations and sought and managed a life-style compatible with our choice to home-learn; this, of course. We didn’t go into debt but had two very modest incomes that supported us
Michael Maser
09:01:48
@Daniel Our daughter did choose to go to the local HS and we accepted her decision and supported her. It wasn't our choice to make by the time she was 14-15, it was hers. We just made it clear we'd support her no matter what she chose, including going to school or not.
Michael Maser
09:02:25
Overall, HS was pretty vanilla-flavored for her, by her own reflections.
Daniel Merino
09:02:55
What would you have done it she was 7 years old and asked to go to school?
Taryn Helper
09:03:59
I gotta go. Thank you Dayna- this was wonderful! Bye everybody,see y'all tomorrow...
Sylvie
09:04:03
@Daniel, my kids did ask that when they were younger, but its kind of a long story how we handled it, Happy to share via message on Whova
Michael Maser
09:04:18
@ Daniel in our case, our daughter did choose to go to school for one year, grade 5 as I remember it. It was very different than what she'd experienced, and she said one year was enough and she returned to free-range learning for the following 4-5 years.
Stephanie Sewell
09:05:18
My daughter chose school in grade 4, and stayed (mostly) til graduation. It was really hard for me to let her go, but it was definitely the right call to let her make the choice.
Daniel Merino
09:08:07
thanks for sharing everyone!
Samantha Kifer
09:09:34
Michael, hopefully you can add to that literature on learning, and support the education revolution!
Maribel Garcia
09:11:14
Thanks you Dayna!!
Samantha Kifer
09:11:23
Thank you Dayna!!
laura watson
09:11:33
Loved hearing about your experience, Dayna! Wish I would have been as bold when my kids were young!
Sosanna Andrikou
09:11:47
thank you!
Monica Kmetz Cochran
09:14:48
Thanks Dayna!