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Ivo Haest
23:30
I assume your slides will be on the website of GU?
adele@calvertgreenparish.co.uk
29:04
well said!! Consultation means something totally different to these poeple
Jane Lelean
31:32
Yes please keep the landscape and current biodiversity which is home to Red and amber listed species
Jane Lelean
35:02
The football pitch is is close contact with the estate and all the children who live there. - IN appropriate.
Carol
35:52
We on Springhill hear the inmates when using the current football/recreation area
Annii Hiew
36:46
my house just facing the football pitch n 450car park spaces! imagine my kids will see them daily
Jane Lelean
38:06
I site such as the site that replicates the site for Ryehill, Olney should be found.
Dale
38:34
Annie they won't even be able to play in your garden without listening to them
Jane Lelean
39:13
The change will be a travesty
Fiona
39:47
We feel the same Rod! We will be right next to the football pitch. What about the safeguarding of young people?
Beth Johnson
40:25
They are doing it because it is cheap and easy. Greenfields and very small communities to fight with.
adele@calvertgreenparish.co.uk
40:27
Are there plans to have a large concrete batching plant on site similar to the one being built at Calvert or will you be using this one
Beth Johnson
40:46
I doubt the developers have been honest with the MOJ!
Annii Hiew
41:29
How the inmate not really seeing opportunities of escape from the football field and we can be easy target as hostages? my kids? despite we have had witness escaping infront of our house!
Fiona
41:37
What about expanding Bullingdon instead?
Daniel Hayes
42:08
It is hard to believe that the MoJ is giving serious consideration to a site that is fundamentally not suitable for a prison of this size. The illustration provided by the MoJ in its consultation document shows 6 houseblocks ‘squeezed’ together with no space for a seventh houseblock. Why invest such a huge amount of public money in a site that is flawed and has no opportunity for future expansion?
Beth Johnson
42:24
Surely brownfield is better for the environment?
Carol
42:25
The government have unused MOD sites why use them
Jane Lelean
43:18
We already have an issue with HS2 , EWR lorries that are so large the cannot stay on the correct side of the road especially when going down the corners. It is no longer safe for cyclist or horse riders.
rogerbehagg
43:28
I suspect that a major motivation of the MoJ in choosing this location as part of their prison expansion/replacement/upgrade programme is the fact that the land needed is already owned by the government and that this would facilitate and speed up the delivery of the project and mitigate costs. This would mean that the project would fit the government’s current policies to ‘build, build, build” and to support the construction sector with large infrastructure projects. Can you enlighten us as to what alternative sites have been fully explored and why specifically they have been discounted? What are the particular benefits this site has over alternatives likeBullingdon/Bovingdon/The Mount and other brownfield sites etc etc.
Carol
43:48
Totally agree with Rod it is not safe to walk to our villages from springhill
Daniel Hayes
43:53
The MoJ states within its own Public Consultation document that it is already considering adding a seventh houseblock to the Grendon Springhill Proposal ‘we are looking at potential options to include a seventh houseblock as part of the new prison and will update you ahead of any decision’ along with polytunnels, allotments and 11,000 square metres of solar panels and the possibility of expanding Springhill. Even the most accomplished of architects would struggle to fit all of this within the constraints of this site.The reality is that is not physically possible. Unless of course the MoJ is already considering utilising compulsory purchase orders on adjacent green belt fields once the prison has been built??
Poh Jin
44:45
The consultation document stated that MoJ not aware of any evidence that a new prison in an area leads to a fall in house prices. Can MoJ clarify this statement? Did you mean (1) professional advice sought from property valuers which indicates that the proposal will not lead to a fall in house prices or (2) no advice was sought at all and therefore no evidence to indicate the impact on the property price?
Jane Lelean
45:08
The red and amber species that are listed need large rural spaces, this will eliminate them for ever.
Carol
45:11
We already have sewage leaking into fields
Beth Johnson
45:54
How is the affecting the open prison? /
adele@calvertgreenparish.co.uk
46:16
This will lead to permission for hundreds of houses to be built in Calvert, Edgcott and Charndon
Daniel Hayes
46:39
Just 380 spaces have been allocated for staff parking, with between 500 and 600 staff estimated by the MoJ to be employed at the prison. This is very likely to be an under estimation given that for a prison of this size there will be between 250 and 300 non directly employed staff who are employed by other organisations working in the prison including education and training, healthcare, substance misuse, housing and other third sector organisations which are essential to support resettlement activity.
Beth Johnson
46:55
They have won awards for their work. Those poor prisoners are entering back in to society but will have the backdrop of a major super prison. What about their rehabilitation?
Jane Lelean
47:34
When I worked in HMP GUW/ Springhill I was told not to walk and that I had to drive for my own safety.
16-01-2021
47:54
They have issues retaining staff already
rogerbehagg
48:23
This proposal will impact on a cluster of small rural parishes that have already been devastated by major infrastructure projects within a c. 5mile radius of Calvert, and the extended rural road network servicing them. They are already dealing with HS2/The Infrastructure Maintenance Depot/EWR/The Incinerator and now the prospects of one of the largest prison complexes in the UK. There is a widespread feeling in the communities that this consultation is a tick box exercise and is paying lip service to genuine community engagement. If that is not the case can you genuinely say that if all of the local communities impacted remain opposed to the project, there will be a serious reconsideration that could lead to the project not proceeding to planning, and a meaningful exploration of alternative locations?
Beth Johnson
48:50
Do you have the support of the current staff and Prison Officers Association?Have you consulted with groups such as Prisoners Families or Prison Reform Trust about the location?
Beth Johnson
49:10
Have you consulted with local businesses?
Beth Johnson
50:05
How are the families of prisoners going to get to this site??? Have you actually done any work here?
Carol
51:58
677 was an old school bus no longer in service
Jane Lelean
52:14
The public transport links will not serve employees or visitors. Too far away from any rail links.
Beth Johnson
52:31
Have you assessed the number of accidents? My daughter was hit on Grendon Road. Do you want to talk to me about the legal issues?
Jane Lelean
52:47
I was told I could not walk or cycle to work in the prison, it was unsafe, I had to drive.
rogerbehagg
52:51
There are references in the consultation documents to Traffic Management Plans that will mitigate the impact of construction traffic on the rural unclassified local roads that will be used during construction. The same roads are already designated as construction routes for two of the countries major infrastructure projects – HS2 and EWR. I am not at all clear how you can have reached that conclusion. It is only in the last few months that HS2/EWR have finalised their forecasts and the assessment must have been undertaken before these were available to you. What was the basis of the assumptions you used to assess the traffic impact? The CUMULATIVE effect of HS2 and EWR on these roads is already unacceptable. To add a further massive construction project where you claim to have up to 1000 people on site at times is quite ridiculous.
Daniel Hayes
53:26
5 key questions to be answered by MoJ this evening? 1. what do you see as the constraints of this site? 2.as the site is not suitable will you be making compulsory land purchases 3. what other sites are you consulting on? 4.Have you employed a Lobbyist firm to engage with local government about this development? 5. as most prisoners will be from the London area, is the land adjacent to HMP The Mount being considered?
Poh Jin
53:36
MoJ's sustainability policy states "Sustainable development is about applying economic, social and environmental thinking to an issue andpaying particular attention to the long-term consequences." This proposal is against this policy for the obvious reasons mentioned by Rod.
Beth Johnson
53:48
Well done Rod!
rsl
54:01
Have MoJ engaged with HS2/EWR on this?
Daniel Hayes
54:42
Grendon is a therapeutic community, with therapy groups running daily. the noise from even small build work is very disruptive. why is this not being considered?
Beth Johnson
55:40
Well done. Spending £250m of taxpayers money on a site with absolutely no infrastructure??
Daniel Hayes
56:06
The MoJ significantly underestimated the number of staff at HMP Berwyn. Originally it was estimated that Berwyn would have 600 staff, it ended up having more than 900 staff, so the 420 allocated spaces at Berwyn for parking was wholly inadequate with the MoJ making a further planning application for an additional 200 spaces. The lack of parking caused significant and persistent issues for local residents at Berwyn.
Jane Lelean
56:44
When the car park floods, which it will, where will the cars park instead?
Beth Johnson
57:03
My kids are already afraid to wait at the bus stop at Springhill. It will be like an industrial estate entrance.
Daniel Hayes
58:34
The parking for visitors is also insufficient. The prison intends to have a visits room for 50 prisoners and their visitors. As the prison will have such a small visits room it will need to have multiple family visits each day, which will impact on other ‘non staff’ visitors to the prison who will not be able to gain access to the visitor or staff parking and will be forced to park on nearby roads
Carol
58:39
How can elderly with no PC/laptop send in their views is there a postal address
Annii Hiew
59:25
Yes Beth, I never even consider letting my daugther taking bus to Aylesbury just the fact the morning buses usually have newly released prisoner joining the earlier birds kids to Aylesbury.
Beth Johnson
59:37
Won’t the prison be bigger than both villages put together? That is ridiculous!
Esther Ambrose
59:46
Are the other prisons within a 50 mile radius of this site even full or at capacity?
Dale
59:51
Brilliant Rod, thank you so much for that brilliant presentation, fantastic research
Esther Ambrose
59:56
Thank you Rod
Carol
01:00:40
Thank you Rod
SMITH, Greg B
01:01:17
Great presentation Rod! Thank you.
grendonsmiths
01:01:34
Great work Rod, thank you.
charlottechamberlain
01:01:43
Thank you Rod
Mollie-Rose Wood
01:02:03
Thanks for taking the time to do that presentation Rod
angela macpherson
01:02:09
thanks Rod well done. really powerful
Poh Jin
01:03:08
The consultation document states that prisoners escaping is unlikely. This does not necessarily mean that prisoner escaping will never happen. We have been living at Springhill Road for 13 years and had personally witnessed a few prisoner escapes. My children also witnessed the incident. Thanks God they are safe! This is a very serious security threat.
Beth Johnson
01:03:09
Thank you Rod
Annii Hiew
01:03:33
Thank-you Rod! The visual on football pitch n carparks...spot on point!
tonybentley
01:04:54
We don’t want you to adapt this proposal, we want you to agree that this is not a suitable site for such a large development.
Beth Johnson
01:05:07
We support prisoner reform…but the site isn’t ideal. You’ve missed the point.
Esther Ambrose
01:06:05
The point is you are not wanted here no matter how noble your intentions might be
Jane Lelean
01:06:21
Acquiring land easily, does not mean you are obtaining the right land. As we know time and time again from government infra structure projects, cheap is a false economy and always cost more in the medium and long term
Mollie-Rose Wood
01:06:37
How can destroying greenfield sites and effectively murdering and destroying the local wildlife a good idea?
Jane Lelean
01:06:43
You need to look fro the right land not the cheap land.
Daniel Hayes
01:06:50
Five Wells and Glen Parva are very different sites to Springhill which is undersized and poorly appointed with no opportunity for future expansion of the new prison without compulsory purchase of adjacent green belt lands
adele@calvertgreenparish.co.uk
01:06:52
How many other areas also have MAJOR infrastructure projects being carried out alongside their prisons?
Beth Johnson
01:07:08
Exactly. This site is easy peasy… You need to work harder.
Jane Lelean
01:07:25
You need to ask for bulling don if you want it locally.
christophersutcliffe
01:07:28
How can you build a prison which will hold more than the residents who reside in Grendon, Edgcott and Springhill this is ludicrous
angela macpherson
01:07:31
can you share your practicality assessment please regarding the alternative sites you considered?
Mollie-Rose Wood
01:07:50
If they didnt put it on the proposal why did the moj not raise the question? A clear lack of enthusiasm and respect for the local people
Esther Ambrose
01:08:01
Why don't you ask the MOD why they didn't put Bullingdon on the table for you?
16-01-2021
01:08:03
Take the NIMBY approach, then we will be satisfied
Claire and Ross
01:08:08
MOD didn't put bullingdon on the table, did you ask for it?
Gareth.Wellbeloved
01:08:19
If it is not a done deal what other sites have you drawn up plans for?
Esther Ambrose
01:08:40
Which other sites are you considering apart from this one
Chris
01:08:43
If no decision has been made, what are the alternative developments being considered?
rogerbehagg
01:08:45
So is that as far as you went with exploring Bullingdon or other sites. Approval was given for a prison style asylum seeker centre in prison style that was never built a few years ago
Jane Lelean
01:08:50
Leaders do not do what is easy they do what is right. will your children, grandchildren , grandparent and great grand parents agree with you? If not don’t’t do it.
Beth Johnson
01:09:04
Why did you not challenge the MOD not putting Bullingdon on the paper for consideration?
Annii Hiew
01:09:07
You have not done enough research! This is not suitable site to build prison right next to community with young children and family accessing daily!
adele@calvertgreenparish.co.uk
01:09:23
Mr Seaton have you visited this area? Please come and see the destruction that's already taking place here
Jane Lelean
01:09:36
Come and see the flooding
Claire Hardy
01:09:52
The site is wholly unacceptable, there is not sustainable travel to the site, a number of smaller residential developments have all been rejected within the parish over the last 3 years because of the number of car journeys that would be generated as part of the development. Can you confirm that Bullingdon will remain a prison in the estate with the same capacity and that prisoners will not just be transferred to this proposed new location? Based on the unemployment rates and locations where you believe staff will be mostly travelling from can I suggest you look at a site location near to where these proposed staff live instead of increasing carbon emissions and generated unsustainable development.
Fiona
01:10:08
Would you and your colleagues like to wake up every day to the view of 4 storey buildings? Would you also like your children to grow up living next to a football pitch full of inmates? Where they'll be exposed to all sorts
Beth Johnson
01:10:15
Nick….mate you know what Open Prisons are like. Don’t try and say that this is beneficial to what we have.
Beth Johnson
01:10:46
Still wrong site. NO BUSES. NO TRAIN STATION. NOT ENOUGH PARKING!
Esther Ambrose
01:11:15
What the hell … you just let them loose into our area
Daniel Hayes
01:11:17
Robin, is your presentation and the presentation of your colleagues going to be reading out the consultation document. - we have already read it! what can you tell us specifically re the advantages of Springhill over other sites?
Dan BQ
01:11:34
If you really value the opinion of local residents then just take a look at these comments... don’t build here
adele@calvertgreenparish.co.uk
01:11:41
since when is 90 minutes LOCAL
Fiona
01:11:45
Property value will also decrease. Are you also going to compensate all of us for the losses?
Mollie-Rose Wood
01:11:46
90mins! that could be 50-60miles!
Annii Hiew
01:11:58
Our little estate will be seeing this 1000 of stranger accessing this lands daily bringing their interesting languages and inmates to greet us every morning when we taking our kids to school.
Beth Johnson
01:11:58
Traffic congestion and no infrastructure to facilitate visitor parking
Jane Lelean
01:12:01
This situation is not situated in an an area where the inmates can reengage with life outside., no opportunities for work and resettlement.
Zoom2 Highway
01:12:02
we know what we have now and we dont want anymore
Daniel Hayes
01:12:24
Bullingdon Prison already caters for Thames Valley and Bucks prisoners - this supersize prison will be mostly for London prisoners
Jane Lelean
01:12:38
People don’t move to Grendon, they go to Grendon on a medical referral, please be honest.
Beth Johnson
01:12:44
90 minutes is too far. That makes no sense. Have you assessed the weight of traffic? Accidents?
Claire Hardy
01:12:44
90 minutes is well into London, Reading, Gloucestershire etc etc
16-01-2021
01:13:06
Have TVP made any comment on this
Esther Ambrose
01:13:08
Honestly don't care
Stuart's iPad
01:13:11
What proportion of the prisoners will come from this area? are you really saying that these will all be local prisoners? when there is large prison 40 miles away
Stuart's iPad
01:13:36
Why are you not considering Bulligdon? good access, near a town, near railways and bus routes. It is a brownfield site. This is a rural, village site where your plans will double the population of the two villages that are affected.
Zoom2 Highway
01:13:38
not my experience when i worked at Bullingdon
Ivo Haest
01:13:48
Did not realise women are excluded
Mollie-Rose Wood
01:13:50
what about the impact on the enviroment? We are supposed to be reducing our carbon footprint yet your happy for people to travel 90minutes?
Stuart's iPad
01:13:56
Why are you not considering Bulligdon? good access, near a town, near railways and bus routes. It is a brownfield site. This is a rural, village site where your plans will double the population of the two villages that are affected.
Dale
01:13:56
Where's the evidence for these claims?
Carol
01:14:07
They have better living conditions than some of the local residents on low income
Beth Johnson
01:14:13
Sounds like your learnings are from big developed areas. NOT from rural areas with villages…this is absurd.
Gareth.Wellbeloved
01:14:13
Having been on-site at Wellingborough you have a lot to learn
Esther Ambrose
01:14:14
You are talking as if it is a DONE DEAL
Esther Ambrose
01:14:19
Be freaking honest
rsl
01:14:26
Missing the whole point. Why here - clearly unsuitable area for a whole host of reasons!
christophersutcliffe
01:14:44
Why don’t they say something useful rather than text speak and answer the questions raised
16-01-2021
01:14:45
So the release is into the local area
Poh Jin
01:14:51
Done some research, category C prisons are for inmates who cannot be trusted in open prison and have committed crimes such as violence, arson, drug dealing, importation, threat of violence or sex-related offences. The likelihood of them escaping the prison might be low (but does not mean never happen) but risks of security threat to the local residents are extremely high.
Beth Johnson
01:14:56
So you are the developer Phil?
Annii Hiew
01:14:59
Would you like to live in my house overlooking 450 carparks, 1440 inmates taking turn to play on footballs pitch and all about Over 1000 of peoples greeting us daily...that we obviously cannot sell our house! don't see you would like to buy such house!
Barry Payne
01:15:25
So, you are effectively making a SUPER prison complex with over 2000 inmates??
christophersutcliffe
01:15:27
Benefit for a new prioson are you having a laugh what benefits are there, absolutely none
Esther Ambrose
01:15:48
And what is you budget ? Based on how HS2 manage their budget - the bar has been set really low! And what are the benefits for the local residents ?
tonybentley
01:15:58
how do 500 - 600 new jobs help in a rural area
Steve Taylor
01:15:59
One further aspect is that the only direct road from the A41 goes straight past St Leonards Church, which is already a dangerous crossing requiring road marshalls for weddings and funerals, celebrations and school trips. This development would pose severe safety concerns and render pedestrian access impossible safely.
Daniel Hayes
01:16:15
these benefits are simply not credible and will not benefit our local community
Esther Ambrose
01:16:36
Oh goodie more day release prisoners to go missing amongst our community and our children
John Bull
01:16:36
I used to live 180 metres from the perimeter of Woodhill. So many attempts to get contraband over the walls. Catapults, drones, etc. Then the police would be on site with cars and dogs. Helicopters a few hundred feet overhead. It was like being in Black Hawk Down.
Carol
01:16:41
Agree with Anni where are all these people going to park if an emergency vehicle they would not be able to get to anyone on the springhill site
Marianne Sinka
01:16:42
If there are benefits - why not put the option for localities to opt in? There are many places that may want to house these prisons and may want the jobs in both construction and running the sites. We are lucky here - we don't need the jobs
Paul’s iPhone
01:16:50
the government stats show prisoner numbers going Down, so this will not create new jobs
Mollie-Rose Wood
01:17:00
why is everyone talking as if its a done deal?
christophersutcliffe
01:17:09
You have to keep the prisoners in the prison they keep obsconding as the prison say but basically escaping
Esther Ambrose
01:17:17
How about spending your money on preventing people from offending to start off with
Paul’s iPhone
01:17:20
your role is not to create construction jobs
Jane Lelean
01:17:20
We can’t cope with large numbers going in and out, our roads are B roads, already in poor condition. Traffic causes vibration of buildings. Don’t doubt that there is job opportunities the location is the wrong location.
Beth Johnson
01:17:31
That still is a bad statistic
Carol
01:17:36
All these jobs are not going to fill by the local area
Mollie-Rose Wood
01:17:36
25miles isnt local
Daniel Hayes
01:17:53
I absolutely support the idea of ex prisoners being employed in construction. but that's not the issue. this site is not suitable for a 'mega prison'....
Stuart's iPad
01:18:02
So these benefits of a small number of jobs trump the lives and homes of the people who live here already? how will it benefit us?
rsl
01:18:11
If this goes ahead will there be any compensation in place or help to move - as HS2 have done?
Steve Hillier
01:18:19
our protest campaign needs to hit media and the government hierarchy - to expose their plan’s flaws and thereby bureaucratic and political incompetence
Marianne Sinka
01:18:21
16 ipads!
christophersutcliffe
01:18:24
You can keep the donation WOW bribery 16 ipads
Esther Ambrose
01:18:25
tokenism
Dale
01:18:28
Trivial and laughable benefits
Gareth.Wellbeloved
01:18:29
Im sure that could be matched not to build here
rogerbehagg
01:18:30
None of this has even begun to rationalise or justify the current location. And in the scheme of things these benefits are tiny.
Barry Payne
01:18:37
Well done for giving some schools iPads, when you’ve in fact ruined communities
Stuart's iPad
01:18:45
16 iPads. are you joking? you are seriously thinking that is something to tell us
Jane Lelean
01:18:48
16 I pads you are joking, ,you think that will buy us off?
Daniel Hayes
01:18:49
nice for the school to get some ipads, but really so what????
Ivo Haest
01:18:51
Those general benefits can be made for any locations. What are specific benefits to choosing Grendon Underwood?
rsl
01:18:51
16 iPads - wow that’s worth it then - this is just PR -
Esther Ambrose
01:18:52
and they will life where???
Mollie-Rose Wood
01:19:02
In essence 16 ipads is a joke taking into the mass losz our area will endure
Beth Johnson
01:19:03
This works for a place in Northampton. We are Bucks! You’ve got it totally wrong. We don’t have people looking for these types of jobs. Did you hear what Rod had to say. The current prison can’t get officers. You need to go somewhere WHERE THEY NEED JOBS!
Carol
01:19:09
Have you research the age of the local community!!
Esther Ambrose
01:19:10
you will house those 500-600 roles where??????
Paul’s iPhone
01:19:29
the contractors might try to mitigate the impact of construction work, but the best mitigation would be not to build in a location without suitable infrastructure thereby removing the impacts
christophersutcliffe
01:19:31
Well you can honestly say this is a PR exercise this is all this is
Jane Lelean
01:19:44
You can start by listening to us and looking else where. You will destroy our community. With your plan
Rob Elsey
01:19:48
What Gareth said earlier is bang on, what other sites have you looked at? I bet none.
Dan BQ
01:19:56
Nobody is disagreeing with the benefits of a new build prison, this just isn’t the right site and far from it
Esther Ambrose
01:20:19
Why a rural location?
GM
01:20:22
Have you not heard that money being offered to local communities is considered as bribery! HS2 have been accused of this!
Jane Lelean
01:20:29
Green field site
christophersutcliffe
01:20:35
Are you guys not listening, we know the design we want you to note the questions and maybe have the common courtesy and answer some of them
Paul’s iPhone
01:20:42
can you supply the sifting reports that show why this is the best location
Dan BQ
01:21:00
I think we already know the site location... we live here
christophersutcliffe
01:21:04
Have you travelled this access road
Beth Johnson
01:21:06
Do you have direct access to the A41?
Carol
01:21:33
We know the area I live on Springhill
Beth Johnson
01:22:01
What do you plan on doing with the current prison and staff?
Jane Lelean
01:22:21
Tim you need to come to the site, walk round we know it better than you. The map is not the territory.
Gareth.Wellbeloved
01:22:40
There is NO compass on the drawings!
Annii Hiew
01:22:53
We live here 13yrs can't effort move up Main St.. without further investments. How this HIGH PAY PRISON OFFICERS can effort live around here as first time buyer?
rogerbehagg
01:24:17
We are a rural area!!!
Claire Hardy
01:24:27
but this isn't a local urban area, we don't want urban features...
Cliff Taylor
01:24:30
This NOT an Urban location
Carol
01:24:30
We are a rural area not urban
Esther Ambrose
01:24:43
We want to keep our rural lifestyle
tonybentley
01:24:44
We are not a local urban area - we are a rural community
Mollie-Rose Wood
01:24:48
Rural country side, not Ur
GM
01:24:49
What would be your timescale - no doubt you will overlapping with HS2 and EWR and all the lorries fighting for the roads. This is already happening which results in lorries mounting the road verges and currently the edge of the roads are collapsing. Consequently the roads are already treacherous with the excessive traffic (lorries) and all the mud!
Jane Lelean
01:24:53
Normal looking in an urban area not in a rural area. It will be out of character with our area.
Beth Johnson
01:25:13
The clue is in the name SpringHILL! 4 stories on top of a hill. How are we not going to see that?
Barry Payne
01:25:19
Its great to hear how you are going to look after the prisoners….unfortunately destroying the local community in the process
Esther Ambrose
01:25:20
we don't want shiny urban buildings
Annii Hiew
01:25:34
I don't have prison sentences...I don't want see all these fences!
Stuart's iPad
01:25:45
Have you come and looked at what you will be destroying?
Esther Ambrose
01:25:49
How are you going to hide a 5 storey building on top of a hill????
John Mitchell
01:25:53
With the greatest of respect to the MOJ speakers – nothing being presented is addressing any of the major concerns expressed by Rod and nothing being presented addresses this projects polar opposition to the government recommendations which Rod shared. Robin Seaton said ‘this is not a done deal’. I hope he is correct because this project is fatally flawed.
Beth Johnson
01:25:57
How nice for local walkers. We can walk the same paths with big concrete monstrosities!
Rob Elsey
01:25:58
we cant use the pitch, and the kids don't need to hear it or the extra light
Jane Lelean
01:26:01
Quite right springhill, the hill is covered in springs and very wet
Mollie-Rose Wood
01:26:29
that word urban just keeps popping up
Marianne Sinka
01:26:30
the flooding will be down stream...
Barry Payne
01:26:31
I appreciate that questions will come at the end, but the Prison don’t maintain their areas within the residential footprint at the moment, what will be their incentive to change this??
Esther Ambrose
01:26:33
again URBAN …. our local infrastructure wont handle the additional strain
Rod
01:26:44
You haven't even accepted that the position of the fpptball pitch is outrageous, how can you not even comment on this?
Carol
01:26:52
What about the sewage that leaking into the fields you plan to a car park
Gareth.Wellbeloved
01:27:03
Wellingborough looks nothing like that
Jane Lelean
01:27:06
Have you seen the floods that have occurred in this area locally?
Beth Johnson
01:27:14
You’ve used transparency to pretend it won’t exist@
Daniel Hayes
01:27:15
Tim, not sure that this 'concept drawing' is worth putting in front of us, its pretty rubbish
Beth Johnson
01:27:27
It’s horrible!
Marianne Sinka
01:27:31
I see one person using the bike rack....
Esther Ambrose
01:27:39
Good be transparent then.. tell us why you didn't ask the MOD or MOJ for the Bullingdon site ?
Annii Hiew
01:27:39
The carpark is on slope...eventually it WILL Bring MORE FLOOD focus on the main entrance and the main access road. Its obvious you didn't do enough research!
Beth Johnson
01:28:01
Concrete block….is that what you were trying to mimic?
Rod
01:28:05
You just don't get it!
Esther Ambrose
01:28:06
We are not in a BLOODY town centre it is RURAL
Marianne Sinka
01:28:11
I like trees and fileds
Beth Johnson
01:28:23
Not in a village!!!!!@
Cliff Taylor
01:28:33
How many times are you going to say URBAN - we don't want to become Urban / !Town Centre!
Ivo Haest
01:28:41
What are the plans for “active travel to work” ?
Claire Hardy
01:28:45
Rural Grendon Underwood is not a town centre...
Mollie-Rose Wood
01:28:49
I feel this is nothing more than a formality, putting a tick in the box. Political sabotage of a well loved rural countryside area
Jane Lelean
01:28:52
How can you retain an ecological area by building over it and destroying the rural landscape. Please stop staying it will fit in with an urban area and resemble a town centre, we are a rural area. If you want it to blend in put it in an urban area.
Gareth.Wellbeloved
01:28:52
Can you please expand on the challenges?
Beth Johnson
01:29:03
Stop talking about buildings suitable for a town centre…. That is not us!!!!!!
Esther Ambrose
01:29:14
Good then go away
Paul’s iPhone
01:29:18
this is meaningless drivel not considered consultation
Beth Johnson
01:29:23
Digging a hole?
GM
01:29:24
If you spoke to the local people you would realise that we can’t get out of villages unless we have cars - there is completely inadequate public transport facilities in the area - so suggesting that your proposal will be able to accommodate cars is woefully unrealistic is
Daniel Hayes
01:29:24
Tim 'some challenges quite a sloped site' congratulations on under statement of the year
Mollie-Rose Wood
01:29:27
mitigate it by putting it somewhere else!
rogerbehagg
01:29:27
This is a defence of the indefensible. I’m beginning to feel sympathy (!!!) for the MoJ
Rod
01:29:30
How much material will you have to remove from site to make the site suitable for construction.
Zoom2 Highway
01:29:44
how can you hope not to impact the locals
rogerbehagg
01:29:51
They have no justifications
Beth Johnson
01:29:52
Someone has given you the worst job of the night@
Daniel Hayes
01:29:55
it will be seen from Bicester
Beth Johnson
01:30:09
Poppycock!
Esther Ambrose
01:30:13
You will terrace the site? Ha!!!
Steve Hillier
01:30:16
do we legal expertise on our campaign team?
Jane Lelean
01:30:20
You don’t want it to impact is so don’t build it. Everything about the construction and long term presence of this proposal will impact us. Please stop using marketing platitudes and speak the truth.
Stuart's iPad
01:30:23
why would we want buildings to resemble those we would expect to see in an urban setting - we have already said this is not us. how is this consistent with design and appearance of existing rural buildings in the villages and indeed grendon hall
John Bull
01:30:38
What on earth is that white thing on the left?
Paul’s iPhone
01:30:54
fields are sustainable
Beth Johnson
01:30:55
So you are a developer? Ahhhhh…..that makes sense. You don’t have to live or work nearby
Esther Ambrose
01:30:56
5.2 m fence ? That is huge .. we are not the ones that have committed an offense that requires us to be surrounded by prison fencing
Daniel Hayes
01:31:04
I love your zero carbon aspirations - it doesn't make this site appropriate though
Rod
01:31:05
HMP Berwyn was chaotic so what have you learnt from that experience
Mollie-Rose Wood
01:31:12
16ft fences!!
GM
01:31:15
No doubt more light pollution to join in with the light pollution from the IMD in Steeple Claydon
Jane Lelean
01:31:22
It can’t be green by boiling over fields. Use a brown field site. It will leave a massive footprint.
Marianne Sinka
01:31:26
you can't build on fields and be sustainable
Steve Taylor
01:31:29
Clearly it's not just the inmates who will feel imprisoned on this site.
Beth Johnson
01:31:36
Still no infrastructure or work force 🤷🏻‍♀️
Esther Ambrose
01:31:39
Go and find another brown field site from the MOD / MOJ
Rod
01:31:44
What about the carbon footprint for the construction phase and for the staff work journeys
Annii Hiew
01:31:44
As You said its in Slope all this will bring all Rainfall to the bottom field and to the main accessing roads connecting Edgcott and Grendon... you will be looking for Big flood any time... even light rain!
Dale
01:31:50
These positives are irrelevant to us who live on the estate
Gareth.Wellbeloved
01:32:02
'SIMPLE TERMS'????
Gareth.Wellbeloved
01:32:11
We want detail
Paul’s iPhone
01:32:18
greenwashing
Mollie-Rose Wood
01:32:24
promoting it isnt enforcing it
Marianne Sinka
01:32:29
greenwash- the solar panels on site will not produce enough energy to run the heat pumps to heat the place.
Jane Lelean
01:32:30
Much?????? How much?? How are you going to generate the electricity without burning hydrocarbons?
Rod
01:32:31
Where will the contractors park during the construction phase
Beth Johnson
01:32:33
Oh yeah….all those families visiting prisoners can afford electric cars 🙄
rsl
01:32:34
Sure the visitors will all be in their eco BMW’s
christophersutcliffe
01:32:37
We don’t care how its built - listen to us and answer questiosn
Barry Payne
01:32:39
And how is all of this of benefit to us residents????????
Annii Hiew
01:32:40
More Electrical yardage on site sure more Cardon footprints than Green. ...
Esther Ambrose
01:32:45
the amount of ground works to terrace a site that size will require 100's of trucks and ground machinery which you will have to drag through tiny roads alongside HS2 and EWR
Claire Hardy
01:32:50
Building a prison in a rural location with poor transport infrastructure will NOT reduce the footprint / carbon emissions of your operations. Nearly all your staff and visitors will have to drive to this site for the entire operating life of the prison.
Steve Hillier
01:32:56
filibustering PR tbh
Annii Hiew
01:33:05
How about lighthing?
Esther Ambrose
01:33:20
Why don't you just renovate the existing prison
Beth Johnson
01:33:22
😂
Carol
01:33:23
Yes another eye soar on our local landscape
Rod
01:33:26
You just don't care
Paul’s iPhone
01:33:29
are you recording these comments as part of the consultation?
Marianne Sinka
01:33:30
what emerging technologies? more green washing I'm afraid
Esther Ambrose
01:33:53
Good - go away
Rob Elsey
01:33:54
Have any of you been to see the site?
Gareth.Wellbeloved
01:34:02
Wont be when you are done - if you get your way
16-01-2021
01:34:03
So leave and don't come back
Zoom2 Highway
01:34:07
dont talk rubbish
Marianne Sinka
01:34:11
then build on a brown field site
Mollie-Rose Wood
01:34:13
most of these points are about as useful as pissing in the wind
Beth Johnson
01:34:16
Of course it is nice. It is green and cheap to develop. At the cost of the fabric of our society. Shame.
Dale
01:34:22
Will the prisoners be allowed pets then?
Steve Hillier
01:34:27
our MP must step up
Annii Hiew
01:34:33
tell us who not BULLINGDON?
christophersutcliffe
01:34:36
I bet you are glad you are talking over zoom so you don’t have to answer any questions what a joke
Annii Hiew
01:34:39
why
rogerbehagg
01:34:40
Some disruption !!!!!!!
Esther Ambrose
01:34:51
you are useful as a chocolate teapot with the BS your presentation has given this evening
Jane Lelean
01:35:00
How are you going to future proof local areas from flooding? Light pollution, degradation of the rural area. How are you going to protect the bats by increase lighting? Do you understand ecology? The other land already has populations, so you are going to force them out?
Marianne Sinka
01:35:00
you can't 'add biodiversity in that way - have you included an ecologist on the team or in the proposal?
christophersutcliffe
01:35:19
We don’t care about grey water - Read the comments being posted
Jane Lelean
01:35:40
What do you mean local ?
rsl
01:35:44
This is Groundhog Day with HS2 and all they said at the start. Totally unconvinced!
Paul’s iPhone
01:35:52
that’s what HS2 and EWR said
Beth Johnson
01:35:57
So you’ve already decided to go to planning?
rsl
01:35:59
On mute
Esther Ambrose
01:36:11
how can you honestly believe the drivel you and your colleagues are delivering tonight
Dale
01:36:12
So basically it makes no logical sense, but it's cheaper than building closer to London?
Poh Jin
01:36:13
Tim mentioned his team has been working with MoJ for years to come out with this proposal. There must be a significant amount of tax-payer’s money has been spent by MoJ on the consultancy fees. Why MoJ did not consult the community first before spending tax-payer’s money to develop this proposal?
Luke Wood
01:36:51
click the unmute button
Marianne Sinka
01:36:52
the commuters coming to the site alone is an environmental catastrophe - and would have a bigger carbon footprint than the prison - you need to build where people can use local transport to visit
Steve Taylor
01:37:00
I'm sorry MoJ, this is very patronising; you are not addressing our REAL concerns at all.
Nicola Head
01:37:12
None of the presentations so far have addressed any of the issues and concerns raised by the local residents and we are running out of time during this session. Are we going to be given any responses to the reasonable challenges raised this evening?
Patricia Card
01:37:21
How is the light poluy
Jane Lelean
01:37:22
I don’t know about anyone else don’t feel listened to
Stuart's iPad
01:37:22
Please, when COVID allows, come for a cup of tea in our front room during a working day so you can experience the lorries from construction and other associated transport with a development such as this. You may then experience what ‘some disruption feels like’.
Gareth.Wellbeloved
01:37:23
Would the MOJ like to purchase those houses at pre-proposal prices for those that now want/like to move?
Dale
01:37:37
Great question Gareth
Esther Ambrose
01:37:40
are you actually going to respond to any of the questions or just run through meaningless slides
Beth Johnson
01:37:42
I have no idea how visitors will be able to access there prison by public transport!!!!
John Mitchell
01:37:48
Use of existing MOJ land. That’s the justification top and bottom. Nothing else what so ever has been considered.
Patricia Card
01:37:50
How is the light pollution going to be addressed ?
Stuart's iPad
01:38:01
What compensation will there be for those of us who cannot sell our houses? and any shortfall in values?
rsl
01:38:04
If planing is applied for 21 days for a major infrasturcture like this is totally undemocratic!
Luke Wood
01:38:06
what about the effect on local health due to air pollution?
Daniel Hayes
01:38:38
just in case the colleagues from the MoJ missed the earlier question - has a lobbying firm been engaged to lobby local government about this proposal/planning application?
Rod
01:38:45
If they go ahead with the application we will be ready for them!
Beth Johnson
01:38:53
You’ve obvs made up your mind. We’ll get to work our side.
Esther Ambrose
01:39:14
what are the actual timelines
Jane Lelean
01:39:29
Are you planning to buy them off with 16 I pads ??????? Ha hah hah
Gareth.Wellbeloved
01:39:33
@Rod We are pretty much exposing all our objections here for them to address in the planning application
Esther Ambrose
01:39:51
what are leading times for each of these milestones since you were so deceptive with how you tried to do this before Christmas
rsl
01:39:59
What compensation schemes are being offered!!!!!
GM
01:40:16
how long do all those stages take?
christophersutcliffe
01:40:33
Yes but can you guys read as no one is reading the questions
Beth Johnson
01:40:57
So you are biased.
christophersutcliffe
01:41:03
We don’t need to know the planning process just answer the questions being posed
Daniel Hayes
01:41:11
don't want to worry anyone but more than 2,800 objections to the super prison currently being built at HMP Full Sutton were lodged, including objections from the police.
Beth Johnson
01:41:24
Did that do any good?
Paul’s iPhone
01:41:35
patronising?
Steve Hillier
01:41:35
Pointless objecting to this team; they are not the decision makers; MoJ land...that’s the rationale
Beth Johnson
01:41:50
Agree
Beth Johnson
01:42:01
Let’s meet outside this
Dale
01:42:08
You can tell they don't believe a word they're saying
Ivo Haest
01:42:37
AVDC Local Plan 2004 has no legal status so no need to refer to it
Beth Johnson
01:42:58
I am sure you have small print to get around that
Luke Wood
01:43:18
I will happily join a protest if this is given the green light. Sounds like they have set the wheels in motion so we should too! What a farse
Beth Johnson
01:43:22
Sympathetic development Andy Benn?
Esther Ambrose
01:43:25
Is there anyone from government that is actually on our side ?
Ivo Haest
01:43:29
Even AVDC draft Local Plan status is probably irrelvent
Stuart's iPad
01:43:39
plans are at an advanced stage? how long have they been planning? one of the very first arguments for the need for increased prison population is the pressures created by COVID. that’s hardly been in the long term!
Luke Wood
01:44:14
there is no need we have 1000 electorates between grendon, springhill and edgecott
GM
01:44:47
Where is ‘Impact to Community’?
christophersutcliffe
01:45:00
Is this the transport assessment that says bus 677 runs by
Marianne Sinka
01:45:01
we have seen the 'ecology work' for HS2...
Daniel Hayes
01:45:21
a suite of technical documents will accompany the planning application to demonstrate compliance with the key development management policies - sounds like a planning application will be made then?
rogerbehagg
01:45:22
There are references in the consultation documents to Traffic Management Plans that will mitigate the impact of construction traffic on the rural unclassified local roads that will be used during construction. The same roads are already designated as construction routes for two of the countries major infrastructure projects – HS2 and EWR. I am not at all clear how you can have reached that conclusion. It is only in the last few months that HS2/EWR have finalised their forecasts and the assessment must have been undertaken before these were available to you. What was the basis of the assumptions you used to assess the traffic impact? The CUMULATIVE effect of HS2 and EWR on these roads is already unacceptable. To add a further massive construction project where you claim to have up to 1000 people on site at times is quite ridiculous.
Jason Cunningham
01:45:25
The design assumptions made have entirely undermined your own proposals. Quoting suitability of design for an urban environment is absolute genius. I’m embarrassed for you. Picking up a generic design solution and placing it in a rural environment at the top of a hill in a location where no suitable transport links are available is a total nonsense.
Esther Ambrose
01:45:25
Approved by whom?
Annii Hiew
01:45:34
What about mental health, physical health and our security?
Steve Hillier
01:45:46
I note Suky Atwal - Director of Prison Infrastructure at MoJ - is on this call but has not contributed
Beth Johnson
01:46:23
So you haven’t looked at this then! You cannot put more traffic on our roads for a minimum of 5 years. What advice are you giving to the MOJ? How much are you paid?
Luke Wood
01:46:36
where is "impact on house prices"? being first time buyers and not having lived here all that long i have a serious concern of ending up in negative equity
Rod
01:46:41
WE simply do not want anymore traffic
Steve Taylor
01:47:06
Absolutely Annii, What about mental health, physical health and security? this is a dreadful proposal.
Luke Wood
01:47:11
no more traffic, no more development, no more prisons
Daniel Hayes
01:47:29
we are getting HS2 traffic morning till night rattling through the village already
Fiona
01:47:34
Exactly!
Dale
01:47:45
This is just a generic presentation
Annii Hiew
01:47:45
Yes is rural area! Its doesn't need more expansion.
Jane Lelean
01:47:51
A pond?????
Carol
01:47:52
It is not just flooding what about the sewage issues we currently have
Jane Lelean
01:48:20
Where are you going to put the on your diagram
Esther Ambrose
01:48:25
honestly - just go away. There is nothing you have presented here that shows any form of consultation with the local community
Daniel Hayes
01:48:27
out of interest - when your flood risk engineers visited was the village flooded??
Ivo Haest
01:48:56
If road capacity is inadequate it will be mitigated. So it is not really a criteria to decide on suitability of the site compared to other sites? So again can you f=give the criteria you use to decide on appropriate site .
Daniel Hayes
01:49:08
did the flood risk engineers see all the fields round here that are currently flooded?
Rod
01:49:10
Exactly, this is not consultation but lecturing
Claire Hardy
01:49:10
but if you were consulting meaningfully, based on the responses in this, from the parish council from key stakeholders you would hear loud and clear that this is the wrong site, and therefore not need to do the drainage studies, etc etc.. but sounds like you are just assuming you can "mitigate" our concerns, we are clearly saying to you we're firmly rejecting these proposals in all their forms
Beth Johnson
01:49:27
Do you mean when planning is submitted. This is ridiculous@
Annii Hiew
01:49:38
You have no rock solid research...but just all your own making up thoughts!
Luke Wood
01:49:46
im sure dave grimmer will happily provide evidence of the real flood risk
Esther Ambrose
01:49:49
So you are assuming that it is already going off to planning
iPad Apple
01:50:06
This makes me think the Expressway (motorway) and Knowledge Arch are still coming!!!
Daniel Hayes
01:50:18
you haven't mentioned how lobbyists are going to be retained to engage local authorites
christophersutcliffe
01:50:19
Well said
Beth Johnson
01:50:22
Well done Kim!!
Dale
01:50:30
I'm speechless at how poor and generic their presentation was
Dan BQ
01:50:42
Well said Kim
Luke Wood
01:50:44
lack of interest in other sites
Stuart's iPad
01:50:44
this village cannot take the required traffic for construction, nor visitor/employment, with existing poor quality rural roads, traffic calming measures and additional projects to the single access route unless you are planning to remove the listed gate pillars, remove traffic calming measures or other such measures
angela macpherson
01:50:46
exactly Kim where is the transparency??
Annii Hiew
01:51:06
Yes exactly why can't we know WHY NOT BULLINGDON...WE NEED SOLID REASON!
Luke Wood
01:51:18
they just want the easy option and the cheapest
Daniel Hayes
01:51:19
so the MOD has said no to there land at Bullingdon has this been raised at cabinet level or has the MoJ just rolled over?
Marianne Sinka
01:51:24
Even Bullingdon is not ideal
Steve Hillier
01:51:31
MoJ land - quick fix by bureaucrats
Saz & Rame
01:51:44
FOI request Kim to the MOJ for all their impact assessments please plus all the other sites assessed.
Daniel Hayes
01:52:14
land adjacent to HMP the Mount is also very suitable
Esther Ambrose
01:53:05
Well then go and ask them for it
grendonsmiths
01:53:08
Katrina has just stated in her presentation - This development would be a departure to policy and therefore only justifiable based upon local need. We don't need a new prison in the middle of rural Buckinghamshire!!!!! Perhaps an area to ask our guests to expand on.
Beth Johnson
01:53:12
Of course. It is not easy. You have to work hard!
Luke Wood
01:53:41
have you asked though?
Beth Johnson
01:53:42
You think????
Luke Wood
01:53:55
if you dont ask you dont get
Steve Hillier
01:53:59
go Kim. where’s Greg?
Annii Hiew
01:54:04
You never TRY
Luke Wood
01:54:20
surely you should have all the information at hand? what a joke
christophersutcliffe
01:54:26
You have ignored answering her question
Marianne Sinka
01:54:46
There are plenty of brown field sites in location
Marianne Sinka
01:54:52
s that need the jobs
Lindsey Fealey
01:55:32
Why are you not considering brown field sites before considering this green field site?
John Bull
01:55:49
The MoJ staff are all talking to each other in the background on Slack anyway. You can see them typing. They should just be open and honest. They can't get land anywhere else.
Stuart's iPad
01:55:56
wasn’t the proposed detention centre going to be on MoD property?
Beth Johnson
01:56:08
You cannot answer the question. YOU NEED TO GO AWAY AND GET ANSWERS!
Phil Gaskin
01:56:14
MOJ you must share the SIFT report weighing the other alternative locations you considered
Barbara, Rumptons Paddock
01:56:14
Government departments recharge one another astronomical amounts for rent, in the MoJ silo, this costs far more than using their own land
Fiona
01:56:23
You don't have a clue
Marianne Sinka
01:56:28
I'm not sure that rural BUCKS is a hotbed of crime
Luke Wood
01:56:31
The 3 other prisons that have already given the go ahead were they greenfield sites too?
Beth Johnson
01:56:35
AH AH AH AH AH AH AH….this is what we are hearing.
John Bull
01:56:39
The closest they've been to the site is Google Maps.
Steve Hillier
01:56:48
good question, answer is poor
Beth Johnson
01:57:03
Waffle
rogerbehagg
01:57:11
This is shockingly bad
Luke Wood
01:57:20
load of guff
Daniel Hayes
01:57:22
Great question Mike, complete drivel in response
christophersutcliffe
01:57:24
Rather than go round in circles answer the question I am sure one of you must know some answers
Barry Payne
01:57:27
I think it is important to ascertain, when it comes to formally addressing this proposal and our objections, is there any place for emotive language; will this be considered at all or should the responses be purely factual? Obviously this is an emotive issue, but I am concerned that some responses may be disregarded simply due to how they are phrased.
Dan BQ
01:57:30
You just did a brilliant job of not answering the question
Beth Johnson
01:57:32
You are all waffling. Wha is your minister going to say about your presentation tonight?
Dale
01:57:51
Where is your evidence that building on a rural site raises house prices? And what compensation are you offering when the opposite happens?
Steve Taylor
01:57:54
Where is the joined up thinking in Govt departments?
GM
01:57:59
You state you have to move swiftly because of what is going to come down the pipeline and yet you still haven’t given a timescale
Beth Johnson
01:58:48
Odd is putting it mildly. It looks like a university.
Luke Wood
01:58:49
its will be like fitting a square peg in a round hole
christophersutcliffe
01:59:21
So against your policy then
Beth Johnson
01:59:29
So you are saying you are working against our environment?
Daniel Hayes
02:00:07
it will be seen from Bicester
Steve Hillier
02:00:11
answer the question - how does it fit?!!
Beth Johnson
02:00:13
Never mind the bloody “residents” what about urn experience. You are totally missing the point!!!!
rogerbehagg
02:00:19
Timing is overriding everything here. Not sure how that will fit if it goes to Judicial Recview
Esther Ambrose
02:00:22
Have you actually been here?
Fiona
02:00:33
This is painful to watch
Carol
02:00:39
Flipping visible from Springhill estate
Luke Wood
02:00:42
this is just politics, avoid the question and waffle
christophersutcliffe
02:00:46
Really not at all
Annii Hiew
02:00:49
Its right 20 yards from my house! only across the street
Luke Wood
02:01:02
im at 116 springhill rd and it will bloody well see it!!!!!
Jane Lelean
02:01:06
What about the impact from other directions. Multiple 4 story buildings would never fit in a rural location.
Beth Johnson
02:01:39
Tim should have gone to Specsavers!!
Steve Hillier
02:01:42
who will take the final decision?
Rob Elsey
02:01:52
what compensation is going to be offered to the residents who are going to have their lives turned completely upside down when this project goes ahead (which it sounds as though it will from the way you are all talking?!)
adele@calvertgreenparish.co.uk
02:01:57
How on Earth do these guys sleep at night
John Bull
02:01:59
How many of you have taken a bus, cycled or walked to the site from a nearby village?
Paul
02:02:06
Kim
Jane Lelean
02:02:08
So your plans are not accurate and you still plan to change. What is the truth and the true design?
Beth Johnson
02:02:21
How could you not have seen the access issues. Presume you drove by new BMW electric car!
Paul
02:02:38
KIM Can Paul ask a question -
Annii Hiew
02:02:39
My house again facing the football pitch to sees the inmates daily with my kids! My Family and I will worst living in Bronx!
Gareth.Wellbeloved
02:03:09
Why doesn't Mr Suky Atwal - comment??Why join the call if you are not going to participate?
Daniel Hayes
02:03:11
the same happened at Berwyn, very had to recruit locally, with staff commuting from all over the north west
Lindsey Fealey
02:03:40
If it were to go ahead … would there be any mitigation for houses affected?
christophersutcliffe
02:04:28
You can facilitate them on the 677 bus
Claire and Ross
02:04:34
Can I ask would the new entrance feed the old prison as well and stop the cars coming through springhill? Also the football field would be directly opposite our house- could this be an inside football pitch therefore being soundproofed? thank you
Annii Hiew
02:04:38
I like to invite you all to come to my house! See it for yourself!
Saz & Rame
02:04:52
This will not be swift for the MOJ, At every stage there will be considerable opposition, including legal challenges and a judicial review. It will be quite costly for you in the long run.
Luke Wood
02:05:31
The MOJ is incapable to maintain there current responsibilities with regards to Sprinhill estate. What happens in 20years time when issues start to arise are they going to fix them? Lets face it... probably not
Jane Lelean
02:06:04
Lorry are already driving up the kerbs on the very narrow footpaths.
Esther Ambrose
02:06:27
Oh please! HS2 and EWR don't talk to each other at the moment .. and now you think you will join the dots?
Annii Hiew
02:06:47
Damaging lighting and signs!
Luke Wood
02:06:51
so we have talk/building of this for 5years or more
Stuart's iPad
02:06:55
Minimising impact. there is a
Daniel Hayes
02:07:09
Suky, you will have 1000 contractors each dau on site. teling us that you will be working across Whitehall to minimise impact on the community does not tell us anything.
Stuart's iPad
02:07:33
ready huge impact. anymore impact would destroy our villages
Annii Hiew
02:08:49
well said Paul!
Dale
02:09:11
Thank you Paul, I'm sure we won't get an answer to your second question
Luke Wood
02:09:21
im not sure the MOJ understand what levelling up means
Beth Johnson
02:09:53
Freedom of information act!!!!
Stuart's iPad
02:09:57
may be we can level up the countryside
Gareth.Wellbeloved
02:10:11
They need to build this prison in the South East
Beth Johnson
02:10:46
Formal request to receive this information equated by Paul
Gareth.Wellbeloved
02:11:18
Fair point Paul - what about Essex or Kent
christophersutcliffe
02:11:23
Well no answer again he’s squirming
Stuart's iPad
02:11:28
taking more countryside from the south is not maintaining our need for levelling up of rural and countryside space for us
Jane Lelean
02:11:41
The south east is wider than Buckinghamshire!!!!
Beth Johnson
02:11:41
What is the difference between Grendon and Bicester?
christophersutcliffe
02:11:41
Well said paul
Dale
02:11:46
Thank you Paul
Luke Wood
02:11:51
what a fricking joke
Claire and Ross
02:11:52
Could you consider the land around HMP Feltham?
Daniel Hayes
02:12:32
Feltham is 90 acres in total including surrounding land
Luke Wood
02:12:34
no satisfied with any of there responses
Barry Payne
02:12:36
There is so much land owned by the MOD that is unused and more suitable for expansion.
Ivo Haest
02:12:51
Thank you for this illuminating session
Gareth.Wellbeloved
02:12:55
Are residents of Calvert and other local areas getting to have they say?
Annii Hiew
02:12:57
Nothing is answer tonight...none..! thkq, well done! to look at us all like sillies!
Beth Johnson
02:12:57
Is it really MOJ. It seems their “consultants’ are being a bit conservative with their consultation
Steve Hillier
02:13:15
great job Kim, Rod, Mike
grendonsmiths
02:14:01
We need answers from the MoJ by Monday (26th) latest. i.e. in advance of the current consultation deadline!
Cliff Taylor
02:14:09
Bearing in mind there ia an aging prison population are MoJ aware that the nearest hospitals are over 30 minutes away and there are no hospital facilities on site for over 1440 people?
Luke Wood
02:14:13
all this meeting has done has proven to the local people that the moj and its team are useless and biased
Saz & Rame
02:14:28
there are many more people that wanted access to this meeting. There is huge opposition to this
Steve Hillier
02:16:02
go Greg, we’re counting on you
Esther Ambrose
02:16:32
Go on Greg!!! We are counting on you
John Bull
02:16:49
Greg....Legend.
Barry Payne
02:16:54
Thank you Greg.
adele@calvertgreenparish.co.uk
02:16:55
Have all the empty brownfield sites in Bicester been considered?
John Bull
02:17:13
We don't have a 5 story village hall.
Luke Wood
02:17:13
i have 2 young children and we will be right next to the football pitch. i dont want my girls listening to people swearing and larking about when were trying to enjoy our time together in our garden
Luke Wood
02:17:47
Greg please see this through! We need YOU! 👍
Annii Hiew
02:17:49
Our future will be ruin if this prison is going ahead..our children's future and our equity, security, health all will be destroyed!
Rob Elsey
02:17:52
there are enough issues with the existing prison. never mind adding another one.
Dale
02:17:55
I feel exactly the same Luke, I'm sure all parents on Springhill do, and the local area.
Daniel Hayes
02:18:21
Thanks Greg and Angela, great summary of the call this evening with lots of issues raised that have not been addressed. Looking forward to hearing your questions in Parliament Greg.
GM
02:18:34
Greg & Angela - Thank you for supporting this. You did a great job in saving The Spinney
Luke Wood
02:18:39
STRENGTH IN NUMBERS
Beth Johnson
02:18:46
Thank you GU PC and Rod!!!
Luke Wood
02:18:52
Thanks everyone
John Bull
02:18:54
Thanks everyone. I'm off to get the 677 bus.
Beth Johnson
02:19:07
🤣
Jason Cunningham
02:19:19
Agree Greg. If an office development for 1400 workers in 7 five storey buildings with parking for 500 was proposed here it would laughed at and thrown out.
Beth Johnson
02:19:50
Kim dm me about next steps on getting the word out.
Angela Dwyer
02:19:57
thank you
Claire and Ross
02:19:58
thank you
Carol
02:19:59
Thank you, we must fight this
Daniel Hayes
02:20:02
thankyou Kim
Dale
02:20:03
Thank you to all the local reps, really appreciate it
Annii Hiew
02:20:10
thanks Guys
grendonsmiths
02:20:11
Thank you Rod and GUPC.