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Israeli Literature with Rachel - Shared screen with speaker view
Julia Gilden
25:08
all good here thank you
lib sher
32:35
are we being requested to stop our personal video?
Ed Grossman
33:27
Not necessarily, but it doesn't hurt..
lib sher
33:49
thanks
Marilyn and Alan
33:52
It helps a lot.
Mitch Slomiak
33:56
Fantastic musicQ
lib sher
34:10
agreed.fantastic.
Suzie Lampert
36:00
bravo!
elizabeth caplun
36:05
bravo!
Marilyn and Alan
36:11
Wonderful!
Harriet
36:17
Yes, this is magical.
Claudia
36:23
gorgeous and moving. thanks so much!
Varda Farber
36:26
thank you Gilad!!
Sarah Schachter
36:31
Gilad, that was amazing! thank you!!
Dr. Dorothy Greenbaum
36:33
Absolutely Beautiful! Thank you!
Jill Lipson
36:34
such talent!
prue
36:38
Wonderful!!
Kitty Hoffman
36:48
Beautiful!
Esther’s iPad
36:50
lovely
Barbara Eisenberg
36:54
Fabulous!
rheadorn
36:57
Gorgeous
Linda Cedarbaum
36:58
Beautiful!!
Miriam Seelig
36:59
Beautiful Gilad
Dorothea Dorenz
37:02
very beautiful. Gilad wrote that , yes?
Tova Shimon
37:11
MEULE!
Carol Ducak
37:11
wonderful music!
lib sher
43:27
re Gaza - Gush Katif - so beautiful
matt widzer
43:54
From Faith to Rachel
Ayala Weinberg
44:51
I do not see anything on the screen?!
Paul Corwin
45:04
is Gush Katif near (formerly) Yamit (Sinai)?
Linda Henry Goodman
45:15
We were there in the summer of 2005, just before the Disengagement, and areas of the country were awash in orange flags (opposing the evacuation).
Ayala Weinberg
45:28
I see it now Todah
Ayala Weinberg
45:59
my mother zl as a survivor was so disturbed by this
Ed Grossman
48:42
Much of the disengagement came from a military standpoint--Sharon was a general as well--the unsustainability of sending young Israeli soldiers to protect the isolated settlements indefinitely.
Linda Cedarbaum
49:39
It’s value was that it proved the falsity of land for peace
Tova Shimon
49:41
IT IS TOO PAINFUL!
lib sher
49:42
to Ed...and now
lib sher
49:47
?
Lynnie Mirvis
51:14
Didn’t the Palestinians also destroy them?
Ayala Weinberg
51:51
yes the Palestinians destroyed many synagogues etc to my knowledge
lib sher
51:57
they destroyed everything that was left for them, e.g. greenhouses, etc
Barbara
52:41
There were almost 8000 settlers in Gaza but it took 20,000 IDF soldiers to "protect them" which meant controlling the roads and the borders and the everyday lives of almost 1 million Palestinians who had lived there. Sharon acknowledged that he did it for demographic reasons: The Palestinian population between the Mediterranean and the Jordan would ultimately overrun that of the Israeli Jews, he said. He also said disengagement would allow the latter to consolidate their hold over the West Bank.
Sheldon Dorph
01:02:44
are the souls alive or dead??
Ofer Agam
01:03:56
Ali
Mj Levison
01:06:47
the Hebrew said ink, not radio
Reuven Greenvald
01:09:25
in kabbalah, the Klipot from God that fell to earth are also in exile.
Judy Hollander
01:09:47
hello Reuven
Dorothea Dorenz
01:10:07
A little more clarification about the distortion of the scholars words in pinkie avon?
frona
01:10:39
love the music toda
Rosemary Linsider
01:11:25
My favorite also!
Esther’s iPad
01:13:14
I’ve heard this before and it’s so similar to aria in La Traviata “Adio Del Passats.”
Annabel Lindenbaum
01:13:49
Thank you . Beautiful!
Esther’s iPad
01:13:52
Passato.
Suzie Lampert
01:13:52
just stunning music - thank you so much
Ayala Weinberg
01:14:06
wonderful todah
Barbara Posnick
01:14:27
beautiful! todah Rabbah!
Dorothea Dorenz
01:14:37
wow three handed bass!! Terrific singing!
Shirley Cirlin
01:14:41
Good observatiomn - I was trying to place
iPad (106)Helene Rosenberg
01:14:42
what’s the name of the song?
Myrna Offen
01:14:46
Ill have to check La Traviata. I just watched it from the Met.
Bill Novak
01:15:01
Brava and Bravo!
elizabeth caplun
01:15:04
beautiful!
Sharon Heim
01:15:05
Adio Kerida
Yael Gott
01:15:12
Magnificent!
Tova Shimon
01:15:13
BRAVO!!!!
Varda Farber
01:15:14
hauntingly beautiful!
Mitch Slomiak
01:15:17
WOW!!!!
Sarah Elpern
01:15:21
Beautiful! Can we get translation or summary?
Joan Borkow
01:15:23
So beautiful.
Sharon Packer
01:15:26
So the musicians have a connection to Ladino speakers?
Lynnie Mirvis
01:15:28
gorgeous—so moving
ctannen@tannen.co.uk
01:15:30
what a treat wow so special
Lionel Moses
01:15:30
Outstnding. Amazingly beautiful. Todah
Joan Florsheim
01:15:34
Magnificent. Todah rabah
Michal Tamuz
01:15:36
Beautiful!!
Dr. Dorothy Greenbaum
01:15:37
Gorgeous! ThankYou!
Julia Gilden
01:15:38
Gilad’s wife’s name? So beautiful. Thank you SO much!
Annabel Lindenbaum
01:15:41
Could you tell us what that was?
Linda Henry Goodman
01:15:43
So beautiful. Thank you so much for your singing and playing. Really magnificent.
Sharon Packer
01:15:44
So, so beautiful!!!
rheadorn
01:15:57
Can we get your recordings on iTunes?
Sarah Schachter
01:16:00
so beautiful!! thank you
Linda Cedarbaum
01:16:03
So heart breackngly beautiful
Randi Brenowitz
01:16:09
what beautiful singing !
Gail Levine
01:16:22
Full of Spirit-Ruach-GaLevine
Annabel Lindenbaum
01:16:28
Recordings?
nira malis
01:16:36
very moving and beautifully done!
Elizabeth
01:17:59
Gilad, do you have CDs? Are you on You Tube?
Elisheva Edelson
01:20:49
Scholars say, the exiled Jews from Spain sang this song to Queen Isabella because it says: your mother didn't give you a heart when you were born. Good bye beloved you have bittered my life. Scholars also say that the composer Verdi had Jewish Sephardic friends and he was inspired and brought one line to his aria in the third Act when Violeta sigs: Adio del pasato...
Ed Grossman
01:21:27
This is in essence the hoped for "sacrifice" of these settlements for greater peace
lib sher
01:21:43
Thanks, Elisheva. We used to sing that beautiful song in your choir
Elisheva Edelson
01:22:02
Beautiful singing and very unique sound from the Bass to this sad song Loved it!
Esther’s iPad
01:22:28
that is SO interesting. thank you!
Dorothea Dorenz
01:24:20
why a gloating youth???
wendy
01:26:56
line from the shema
Dr. Dorothy Greenbaum
01:27:20
What does”Hasbara” mean?
Heather Rockman
01:27:33
propaganda
Ed Grossman
01:27:45
But first the disappointment that "the voice was heard no more"--and only left with Messianic hope.
Lynnie Mirvis
01:27:57
public relations
jeremy aron
01:28:01
not exactly ‘propaganda’.
jeremy aron
01:28:07
PR isa better explanation
Linda Cedarbaum
01:28:44
So wonderful! Sorry I have to leave for a meeting.
Mj Levison
01:29:22
we’re thee Arab settlements in gush Katif before 67? or were the Jewish settlements built on vacant land?
Kitty Hoffman
01:29:43
I agree — PR is a much more apt translation
Nachama/Chumi Kanner
01:29:53
hasbara literally means explanation from the Hebrew word “le-hasbir”. but it’s used more in the sense of public diplomacy. putting forth the government’s point of view
Kitty Hoffman
01:30:46
Every government in he world does this, it is a standard part of governance.
Nachama/Chumi Kanner
01:31:05
hasbara is often translated as “public diplomacy”. it is not propaganda.
Barbara
01:31:39
Gaza was heavily populated by Palestinians into which the Israeli settlers were placed after '67. There were troubles between the two groups from the beginning.
Lynnie Mirvis
01:33:04
i think that part was empty and is still empty
Linda Henry Goodman
01:33:16
But maybe it would be helpful as well to remember that the plain meaning of hasbara is explanation. Other translations are, of course, politically laden.
Gilad Ephrat
01:34:16
Thank very very much everyone ! you're comments are very moving ! here is the line to the song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6CGcGUytAA
Barbara
01:35:12
Lynnie, There are more than 1 million Arabs in the Gaza Strip today -- hardly an emply place. The entire Strip is only a few miles long and as you saw from the map and photo at the beginning today, very narrow.
Yael Gott
01:35:34
Some of the soldiers did break down and weep, during the evacuation of Gush Katif
Lynnie Mirvis
01:35:40
I was talking about the actual area where the settlements were
Suzanne
01:36:46
Lie down in green pastures. Death metaphore.
Gilad Ephrat
01:38:40
my email - giladephrat@gmail.com youre all welcome to write me.
Rachelle Taqqu
01:39:02
not at all--psalm 23:2
Nachama/Chumi Kanner
01:39:53
no. 102
Linda Henry Goodman
01:40:04
In a rather different tone, Debbie Friedman wrote another beautiful setting of this verse (in English): Don't Hide Your Face From Me.
Sheldon Dorph
01:40:12
there seems to be a real irony here. if gaza can go, then is west bank next to be lost to a search for “peace “ with the palestinians.and as we look back.. what great mistake it was not just for israel but for the palestinians inGaza?
Dorothea Dorenz
01:40:33
Rachel, How did the settlers explain God’s desire to have them evacuated if they believe that everything is god’s will?
prue
01:41:18
Heart-breakding
Ed Grossman
01:41:19
Sharon took a large gamble here...and it has been seen as a loss.
lib sher
01:41:19
There were many Gazan arabs that worked in the Jewish greenhouses. I believe the number was aabout 4000. they of course became unemployed.
Dr. Dorothy Greenbaum
01:41:37
beyond pain, that’s anguish
Suzie Lampert
01:41:38
you can just feel everyones pain
Nachama/Chumi Kanner
01:41:42
most ultimately still maintained their faith. but some. esp youth sent thru major crisis
Nachama/Chumi Kanner
01:41:53
went thru
Aviva Lev-Ari
01:42:18
Thank you very much, Aviva Lev-Ari
Lynn Levine
01:42:39
yes
Ed Grossman
01:42:39
yes--please
Michal Tamuz
01:42:46
Yes! More music!
Denah S Bookstein
01:42:54
Gila’s what is your wife.
Esther’s iPad
01:43:01
Beautiful, thank you!
Denah S Bookstein
01:43:05
‘name
Yael Gott
01:43:48
Rachel, You have captured the heart-wrenching emotional aspects of today's subject. Todah.
Denah S Bookstein
01:43:48
have you recorded together I trust"? exquisite !
Varda Farber
01:43:49
We need some humor!
Kitty Hoffman
01:44:04
There was a terrible resonance in the sight of Jewish soldiers of a Jewish state dislodging Jews. (I am not at all a settler sympathizer, but the resonance is unforgiving). This was the first dramatic vision of a country internally divided.
Ed Grossman
01:44:59
It also had resonance of Jews in Europe involved in Jews being moved into ghettos.
Diane Tickton Schuster
01:45:50
this music is so much fun after the pain of today’s material. thank you.
Sheldon Dorph
01:47:12
not just wwII but at every stage of jew hist we have been removed by goats..england, france, spain and this feels the same by our own gov’t in israel
Violet
01:47:20
so beautiful!
david
01:47:20
Music so SOULFUL1
Heather Silverman
01:47:26
if musicians could rule the world it might be the most efficient place, but would be a place full of warmth, gentleness, kindness and beauty
Linda Henry Goodman
01:47:47
Boy, are you ever right, Heather Silverman!
Julia Gilden
01:48:06
Would love to hear these two again and again!
Arlynn's iPhone
01:48:15
Thank you so much Rachel for such an emotional and moving class and to Gilad and R
Dorothea Dorenz
01:48:17
All of them are terrific!!
Yael Gott
01:48:19
Gilad and Einav - Thank you for such exceptionally beautiful music. I would love to hear you again.
Kitty Hoffman
01:48:30
Sorry — that isn’t a resonance I personally feel, the parallels are not really there. (Both my parents were in Poland during the Shoah, and both experienced ghettos among other horrors.) The tragedy here was the divisiveness even within a sovereign Jewish state — it was a new and tragic chapter in the state’s history.
Leonie Kramer
01:48:36
I’m SO HAPPY to be a part of this musical gift! Thank you to Gilad, Enav, and of course - Rachel!
Elizabeth
01:48:37
Definitely Ephrat and Enav!
Violet
01:48:40
these 2 should definitely be included.
Arlynn's iPhone
01:48:41
Einav for such soulful singing and music
Elisheva Edelson
01:48:56
Thank you so much!
DebbieM
01:48:59
thanks Gilad -- we needed some beautiful music today!
Elizabeth
01:49:07
Gilad and Enav Ephrat
Julia Gilden
01:49:24
I must leave now. The nk you for another wonderful class.
Sharon Packer
01:49:49
Thank you, Rachel. You really conveyed the pain of this period.
Gail Levine
01:49:56
Rachel- Thank you so much. Now I can understand with empathy the settlersa' pain.- GailLevine
Gilad Ephrat
01:50:47
youre all great ! my email is giladephrat@gmail.com
Mj Levison
01:51:49
rabbi Rimon from Alon Shvut organized an organization to find jobs and help for the evacuees
Gilad Ephrat
01:52:17
my site - https://www.giladephrat.com/
stanleykay
01:54:54
so back in ’67 was it a mistake to place settlements there? Could no one foresee a couple decades ahead, or what there such optimism back then- misplaced of course?
Yael Gott
01:55:15
Please mute yourself, if you are not speaking, to avoid background noise.
lib sher
01:56:19
Thank you Nechama for speaking. So important to hear.
elizabeth caplun
01:57:02
Rachel I cannot thank you enough for your compassionate reading. Todah Rabah!
Dorothea Dorenz
01:57:07
The destruction of community is very sad
Sarah Elpern
01:58:23
Why did the IDF destroy the homes?
Ayala Weinberg
01:59:03
I have been trying to say something
Nachama/Chumi Kanner
02:00:06
thank you Lib Sher
Suzie Lampert
02:01:34
like innocence lost
stanleykay
02:02:18
Kitty and others- Steel yourself for what may well happen here! We should all pray it doesn’t. I have rarely been more depressed, no matter what side you are on.
Ed Grossman
02:02:19
It also saturated the media and demonstrated the power of TV as well.
DebbieM
02:03:38
Wasn't it Tisha B'Av on the day of the final evacuation?
Kitty Hoffman
02:03:46
Thank you for that image, Linda.
Kitty Hoffman
02:05:59
Yes Ayala, both my parents —also survivors — had the same region as yours.
Kitty Hoffman
02:06:13
same reaction
lib sher
02:06:57
I join in with that feeling of deep hurt.
deborah Weinstein
02:07:02
Had it only brought peace perhaps it would have been worth the trauma...but look at the results!!
stanleykay
02:07:05
Where did all of the Chat disappear to?
Ed Grossman
02:07:06
Miriam also has had her hand up..
Jon Tepper in Tucson
02:07:33
FYI, a bit of irony: Orange was the color worn by those who marched in US cities over the past few years to demand gun control legislation (renewing the ban on semi-automatic weapons, for example)
michael newman
02:08:54
Interesting that only women have come forward to speak with empathy for all the participants-settlers, soldiers, religious or not. Are there interviews with soldiers who participated in the resettlements?
Yael Gott
02:09:21
A very important point
Linda Henry Goodman
02:10:19
Thank you Dorothy, for that observation. The language of "settlements" is particularly problematic in the whole discussion. When I have brought people to Israel they are astonished to visit "settlements" - not the outposts with flags, but beautiful cities and communities. It is a real dissonance that is created.
Kitty Hoffman
02:10:37
Dorothy, it’s an important point — the same can be said about the Palestinian ‘refugee camps’, many of which have existed for almost 70 years.
Jon Tepper in Tucson
02:10:47
another good class, Rachel! see you Thursday.
Linda Henry Goodman
02:11:39
We remember that Arik Sharon, z"l, was known as the "Bulldozer."
Violet
02:11:50
So is the term refugee camp on the Palestinian side. You also think of tents which, when you see photos, are not the case.
Ed Grossman
02:11:52
I had understood that the IDF did extensive preparation (and even practice) before the evacuation
Ayala Weinberg
02:12:30
Todah for a great session of a sensitive topic
Sarah Schachter
02:13:44
Thank you for another wonderful session. The music was amazing today!
Heather Silverman
02:14:32
The story of the Mizrachi Jews needs to be used for sure!!
ctannen@tannen.co.uk
02:14:39
very moving difficult subject great music
Carol Ducak
02:16:48
This session was so poignant. I remember the hope that got crushed. This brought a lot into perspective. Thank you.
Linda Henry Goodman
02:17:59
Thank you for an extremely important and moving session.
Kitty Hoffman
02:18:02
Miriam, thank you for sharing your personal experience. I live in Montreal, and so know some things about the experiences of Sephardim and Mizrachim, and often wonder why this terrible chapter of recent Jewish history is so little known, especially by non-Jews. It is very important to speak more and more about these experiences of jews from very ancient communities.
Dorothea Dorenz
02:18:02
There are many american Jews who totally sympathize with the Palestinians, but Israel can’t solve their plight unilaterally or even with negotiations because the Palestinian leadership does not want to negotiate a two state solution and neither does the Israeli government. Unilateral actions don’t solve the problem: Gosh Etzion was a good example of that.
Dr. Dorothy Greenbaum
02:20:21
Thank you so much Rachel for another compelling and intelligent discussion! See you Thursday
Suzie Lampert
02:20:58
thank you for an amazing session see you on Thursday
Myrna Offen
02:22:11
from Myrna: Thank you Rachel. Thank you everyone for your remembrances and insights.
Carol Ducak
02:22:26
I know this is controversial but I have a mug that says Dear Universe Sorry about Donald Trump America
Sarah Elpern
02:27:18
Thank you for a very moving session; and for beautiful music to help us feel better.
Elizabeth
02:27:30
Thank you Rachel. This has been a very moving session.
michael newman
02:29:58
Rachel- Provocative in the most positive way-provoking us to consider these difficult, problematic issues that ultimately are not about land but about people and our humanity. M. Newman
lib sher
02:31:40
Even from the States and leading up to the expulsion of the Jews from Gaza, I was saddened, shocked and frankly, horrified.
stanleykay
02:32:06
Why didn’t Sharon try to get some sort of agreement, to get something from Palestinians or did he feel it would be futile and he wanted to not have to expend military to protect settlers in future
Dorothea Dorenz
02:32:54
Many thanks for this in depth discussion.
Joyce & Michael Bohnen
02:34:10
Thank you for this magnificent session, Rachel.
iPad (106)Helene Rosenberg
02:34:40
Thank you so much Rachel....this was so illuminating, moving, and tragic...especially since we have seen the horrible aftermath.
Annabel Lindenbaum
02:41:56
LAILA TOV
Ed Grossman
02:42:06
Very powerful session--in subject and in music..
gila appleby
02:42:15
Rest well! Thank you!
iPad (5)
02:42:18
thank you; good night
Leah Liquornik
02:42:25
A very movin session!
Dorothea Dorenz
02:42:28
todah rabah laila tov
Kitty Hoffman
02:42:41
Thank you Rachel for your continuing generosity and heart.