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It isn't New: The Role of Psilocybin and Ketamine in Youth Mental Health Treatment - Shared screen with speaker view
Devika @Frayme_Cadre
18:46
Welcome! We’re going to get started shortly but in the meantime, please feel free to introduce yourself and how you fit into the world of youth mental health. If you’re joining us as a group, let us know how many people are tuning in with you! Please post your comment to ‘All panelists and attendees’.
Devika @Frayme_Cadre
19:02
Welcome! We’re going to get started shortly but in the meantime, please feel free to introduce yourself and how you fit into the world of youth mental health. If you’re joining us as a group, let us know how many people are tuning in with you! Please post your comment to ‘All panelists and attendees’.
Peter Varnum
19:44
hi all, Peter Varnum with a few hats: Orygen Global, Healthy Brains Global Initiative, Stability Network. and my own lived experience. tuning in from Oslo, Norway
Tegan Baker
20:04
Hi everyone! My name is Tegan Baker and I am the Stakeholder Engagement Specialist here at Frayme. So excited for this webinar — please write in the chat where you’re watching from today! :) I’m in Toronto, ON.
Devika @Frayme_Cadre
20:08
Hey Peter!
Jonathan Alderson
21:13
Hi - Jonathan Alderson here, CINO @ Noetic Healing, an education division of the Noetic Fund. With 25 years of front-line autism teaching/ therapist training, I am deeply interested in the psychedelics/ youth space.
Devika @Frayme_Cadre
21:37
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Elyse Cottrell-Martin
21:41
Hello, my name is Elyse Cottrell-Martin, I'm a Program Evaluator at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH), I'm based out of Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada. I'm also a college professor, and researcher at a university.
Joelle Therriault
21:43
Hi all I am a clinical social worker in independent practice here in Toronto. I also do work in schools.
Abdul Gilzay
22:28
Abdul from Toronto Addiction Serivces
Alisha Fisher
22:43
Kawartha Sexual Assault Centre in Peterborough, ON... Prevention Education Team :)
Una Wright
22:44
Hi Everyone, I am the Founder of YouthSpeak Performance Charity.
Trinity Mainville
22:44
Hello Everyone! Thanks so much for this! I'm a student counsellor at Addiction Services York Region!
Karen Leslie
22:56
Karen Leslie, adol med physician at SickKids
Emma Firsten-Kaufman
23:21
Hi all! I'm a Knowledge Broker at CAMH in Toronto. Currently working with some local researchers studying the use of various psychedelic substances for substance use treatment.
Brenna Kelly
23:27
Brenna Kelly, family and natural support social worker with the anti human trafficking team at Covenant House!
Aranie Vijay
23:31
Hi everyone! I'm a Research Assistant at Stella's Place in Toronto and a health economics grad student at UofT.
Basil Kadoura
23:32
Hi all! I am a resident at SickKids (currently rotating through Adolescent Med)
Nina Salazar
23:40
Nina Salazar, Project Coordinator at the Canadian Centre on Substance Use and Addiction
kim sauve
24:01
Mental Health and Addictions Nurse with Home and Community Care Support Services Central
Tegan Baker
24:02
Such a diverse group on the line today! Cannot wait for the Q&A! Welcome everyone who is just joining the call now.
micaela harley
24:08
Hi everyone!!! So excited to be here. I work at Frayme as the Sr Engagement and Knowledge Equity Lead!
Meaghan McCloy
24:09
Hi! I'm Meaghan McCloy, working on provincial projects at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH) in Toronto. Looking forward to this webinar!
Devika @Frayme_Cadre
24:37
We’re thrilled to see so many Frayme network members with us today! To become an official memberof Frayme (for yourself or on behalf of your organization), visit www.frayme.ca/join-network to fill out a short registration form. If you have any questions about the form, contact frayme.info@theroyal.ca.
Dan MacKinnon
25:36
Hi there, Dan MacKinnon from Connect Youth in Prescott ontario
Tegan Baker
25:46
Hi everyone! I'm Heather, the Operations Lead here at Frayme. Like everyone here, I'm also really excited for this topic.
Katelyn Greer
26:48
looks awesome!!!!
Una Wright
27:11
Yes, great feature!
judy Robertson
28:52
I am a crisis worker at Pathstone Mental Health (Child & Youth) in Niagara
Devika @Frayme_Cadre
29:06
If you have any questions for our presenters, please feel free to type them in the Q&A box
Peter Varnum
35:57
which mood disorders have psychedelics been tested for?
Devika @Frayme_Cadre
36:44
Thank you for the question Peter
Jonathan Alderson
50:29
Could you speak a bit more specifically about YOUTH and psychedelics. What are the particular issues with youth?
Ksenia Tchekalin
51:19
Great presentation! very interesting
Victoria Villanueva
57:10
I was wondering has there been research about strains of mushrooms (like golden teachers, Tri-Colour Ecuadorian) or Is there only one kind of strains that has been research?
Victoria Villanueva
57:17
Also is age development also a factor when using it?
Devika @Frayme_Cadre
58:19
Thank you for the questions Victoria! We noted your questions
Aranie Vijay
58:49
Hi Victoria, I have heard of some research with different strains. There's a mycologist in the US, Paul Stamets, who has done and currently is, researching different mushroom strains for various medicinal and non-medicinal uses.
Emma Firsten-Kaufman
59:57
Is there any research incorporating the perspectives of Indigenous people who have been using some of these substances for many years for spiritual/ceremonial purposes (e.g. ayahuasca, peyote)?
Victoria Villanueva
01:00:07
^^
Tegan Baker
01:00:19
Great question, Emma!
Katelyn Greer
01:01:10
also very interested in that question Emma!
Sukhdeep Jassar
01:01:45
Love that question Emma.
Victoria Villanueva
01:01:54
@Aranie Thank you for letting me know. Do you have the link of the research?
Sukhdeep Jassar
01:02:28
If anyone has resources to share about brain development and psychedelics for youth - would love to read! Thank you
Tamir @Frayme_Cadre
01:04:51
Here is the article that Julian referenced: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/frontburner/magic-mushrooms-and-therapy-in-canada-1.6127100.
Tamir @Frayme_Cadre
01:04:56
It will be shared in the post webinar email as well
Victoria Villanueva
01:06:05
How expensive was this treatment and is there a way that more marginalized and people with low to no income can access this?
Tamir @Frayme_Cadre
01:06:37
Thank you all for these questions. Devika and I are recording them down for the Q&A period at 1 PM
Sarah McNamee
01:09:06
I'm wondering about legal/ethical issues in supporting minors who self treat (illegally) with psychedelics. Harm reduction seems a bit less complicated with adults, but with minors, could the use of illegal substances (especially when parents support it) clash with youth protection laws? Do we have data showing the basic safety of these substances with minors and youth under 25? I realize these questions are bigger than a zoom webinar can address, but they seem important to start digging into
Katelyn Greer
01:10:52
^totally agree Sarah!
Tegan Baker
01:10:57
^ Really great points, Sarah. Thank you for raising these questions!
Victoria Villanueva
01:12:45
Are we going to hear the youth perspective of psychedelics usage?
David Kryszajtys
01:15:53
Hi all, I will discuss the youth angle in the Q&A period.
Peter Varnum
01:16:08
great quote - 'depression is telling yourself lies about yourself, and then believing them'
Tegan Baker
01:16:24
^absolutely, Peter! Thanks for sharing.
Heather McLaughlin
01:18:38
Thank you, Julian, for sharing your powerful experience as a youth with mental health and ketamine treatment.
Tamir @Frayme_Cadre
01:19:08
We want to thank everyone for their participation and the great dialogue in the chat. To clarify, at Frayme we recognize that youth is term that surpasses chronological age and that can, and does, include experiences upwards to 30. We welcome everyone to join us in valuing and validating all lived expertise of mental health and substance use challenges.David will also speak more about the youth perspective during the Q&A to provide some more information.
Tegan Baker
01:19:34
This is incredibly powerful, hearing your story. Thank you for sharing, Julian.
Tamir @Frayme_Cadre
01:21:14
Here is a link to Julian's documentary which will also be shared in the post webinar email:https://www.cbc.ca/radio/docproject/ketamine-assisted-therapy-lifted-me-out-of-depression-but-it-remains-costly-and-controversial-1.6068333
Wiplove Lamba
01:21:16
Thank you so much for the personal story and sharing your psychedelic therapy experience and the earlier talk on the very important research question being explored. I'm looking forward to seeing the outcomes of the research. There is so much "magic" that can happen as people's narrative and world view evolves.
Joelle Therriault
01:23:22
So grateful for the opportunity to join today. Thank you for generously sharing your work David and lived experiences Julian. Lots to think about!
Una Wright
01:23:37
I do have to leave, but wanted to say thanks so much. This was very informative and I appreciate your courage in being trailblazers in this field.
Aranie Vijay
01:24:58
Thank you for sharing your journey with us, Julian!
Tegan Baker
01:25:26
The cost burden is staggering, so what can we do? We can advocate for expansion of clinical treatments, to include psychedelics based on empirical, evidence-based research, discuss it with people in our own spheres of influence, in an effort to make this treatment more well known, reduce the stigma and get it onto the agendas of policymakers and other persons who hold great influence. What else?
Sukhdeep Jassar
01:25:28
Thank you Julian and David. Julian- hopefully your advocacy and story-sharing will create change needed for others to access psychedelics for treatment.
Tegan Baker
01:26:41
This has been an incredibly informative webinar, thank you so much to David and Julian for sharing your expertise on this topic!
Nina Salazar
01:27:01
Thank you Julian.
Ksenia Tchekalin
01:27:25
Amazing story and story telling Julian, really moving
Sukhdeep Jassar
01:29:40
It it depends on who’s knowledge is considered valid!
Emilie Mallia
01:30:28
A huge thank you to both speakers. The expertise and experience shared today made this a very worthwhile presentation! Looking forward to checking out the podcast Julian!
Elyse Cottrell-Martin
01:30:36
This was absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much for sharing your experiences.
Karen Leslie
01:33:07
I think that it is important that young people can bring their interest in considering this ‘therapeutic’ use for themselves in order for health care providers to exploring the possible risks and benefits involved. I do think that this is different from a health care professional being the one to ‘advise or endorse’ that an adolescents use these substances at this point (as I personally would need additional evidence to better understand if and how the short and longer term effects play out)
Devika @Frayme_Cadre
01:34:00
Great point Karen
Sukhdeep Jassar
01:34:49
It sounds similar to other supplements that are designed without the plants taken from other cultures. Thanks David!
Ksenia Tchekalin
01:35:04
Great point Karen. Based on the strong influence that set and setting have on the result of the experience, it's important to highlight to young people considering it how important those elements are in it actually helping
Emma Firsten-Kaufman
01:35:16
thank you both
Sukhdeep Jassar
01:35:19
Thanks Frayme for setting this up - super informative and stimulating :)
Ksenia Tchekalin
01:37:41
That's only about 34 patients a year
Jonathan Alderson
01:39:44
Psychedelics don't have addictive properties. They are notably not addictive... therefore lower FDA classification.
Trinity Mainville
01:39:53
Thank you
Trinity Mainville
01:39:59
sorry if I sounded ignirant
Devika @Frayme_Cadre
01:40:36
NO its a great question Trinity
Tamir @Frayme_Cadre
01:40:38
Not at all Trinity! All questions are valid :)
Ksenia Tchekalin
01:41:35
Fantastic seminar!
Trinity Mainville
01:41:36
Thank you all so much
Tegan Baker
01:41:42
Thank you so much, everyone!
Karen Leslie
01:41:44
thanks…thought provoking session!
Kelli Wuerth
01:42:05
Thank you!
Neil Mac Dhonnagain
01:42:10
Thank you both for the presentations today. Fascinating insights from you both!
Aranie Vijay
01:42:13
Thank you!