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Clair BROWN
31:14
I can’t see the poll
Janet Pygeorge
40:17
P66 says its biofuel refinery would be cleaner than its existing crude refinery, but it looks worse compared with NO MORE refining here at all. How certain can we be that the refinery will go away for lack of enough crude without this biofuel project, and how soon could that happen?
Carlos Casares
45:43
Is there an actual crude oil specialist in this meeting - to prove to so called it being worse?
Chirag
46:08
Do we have studies of other Biofuel refineries to confirm your opinion ?
Charles Davidson
46:14
Please clarify for me - QUESTION: Are the Phillips 66 (and Marathon) hydrogen plants likely to operate at full capacity to make biofuels? Why might this NOT be as environmentally sound as the name "Rodeo Renewed" sounds?
Nancy Rieser
47:46
I would like to ask a question about subsidies?
Stephen Rosenblum
47:48
Greg has said in the past that a refinery cannot operate economically at less than 50% capacity
Carlos Casares
48:51
Fossil fuels - is used to make plastics, polymers, cosmetics, shoes, so so many products. I feel that this meeting is very misleading
Thomas's iPad
49:30
How much fossil fuel is utilized in bringing biofuels ( eg shipping) and processing and growing bio fuels.
Kathy Kerridge
49:40
could p66 switch to doing hydrogen fuel with renewable energy?
pamela
49:47
What is the possibility of conversion to ammonia (NH3) as is happening on a pilot basis in Australia, Norway, and Saudi Arabia?
Carlos Casares
51:05
Vegetable oils lack sulfur compounds that contributes to Sulfur Dioxides that make acid rain - lower feed rate with zero sulfur compounds makes vegetable oil less harmful
Frank Brosnan
51:05
Greg - is it correct to assume that you / CBE will be providing comments to the EIR - documenting in details what you went over briefly here?
Gary Hughes - Biofuelwatch
51:39
HEFA - hydroprocessed esters and fatty acids
Carlos Casares
51:57
I would highly disagree with the use of H2 making it worse - I challenge your point of view -
Kathy Casares
52:17
Hi! I would like the references please for the books Mr Karras has written. Thank you
Carlos Casares
53:26
De construction of water - makes Hydrogen and oxygen - through the use of electricity -
Steve Ongerth
56:18
Some info on Hydrogen: https://corporateeurope.org/sites/default/files/2020-12/hydrogen-report-web-final_0.pdf
Jean Tepperman
56:36
Carlos is exactly right — hydrogen can be produced in a very “green” way — but that doesn’t seem to be how P66 is planning to produce it.
Ann Alexander
58:10
Greg's credentials - CV and publications - are linked on this page. https://www.energy-re-source.com/about
Carlos Casares
59:31
https://www.sunhydrogen.com/
Matt Krogh
01:00:50
Hydrogen from solar is great; the refineries currently use, and generally propose to use in these projects, hydrogen from methane
Steve Ongerth
01:01:02
More on H2 - https://www.cleanegroup.org/webinar/how-green-is-blue-hydrogen/
Kathy Casares
01:01:08
what would you say is the most commodity used for bio fuel?
pamela meigs
01:01:57
What are the specific health implications from biofuels ?
Nadine Peyrucain
01:02:08
Gary please put your email contact info into the chat.
Gary Hughes - Biofuelwatch
01:02:59
garyhughes.bfw@gmail.com
Charles Davidson
01:04:41
Statement: Phillips 66’s green and renewable claim is to also lay claim to State and Federal government subsidies amounting to $3.32 per each gallon for making biodiesel (on top of what we now pay at the gas pump). As P66 proposes the largest biodiesel refinery in the world, these subsidies would amount to an astounding $3 billion dollars per year in credits and incentives, Question: Is it true that Phillips 66 going to be subsidized by the State and Federal governments with several billion dollars per year for making biofuels?
Glenn Loveall
01:05:01
Clarification- Doesn’t the GREET model (utilized by CARB) include direct land use change value and SBO (soy bean oil) is 45% less carbon-intensive than fossil fuels?
Glenn Loveall
01:05:23
*through this state-agency utilized model
Don
01:05:43
Phillips and Marathon have stated that they will not use palm oil, so does that mean their renewable fuels will be better for the environment than the fuels made in other countries using palm oil and imported to California?
Thomas's iPad
01:06:27
Stack : what amount of biofuels are used for production and shipping of these farmed crops vs. fossil fuels powering trackers , ships , powering refineries?
Steve Ongerth
01:06:34
If folks here are concerned about finding economic alternatives to the P66 proposal, the “Pollin Report” offers a good place to start (and it’s endorsed by several unions, including 3 USW locals):https://www.californiaclimatejobsplan.com/
Charles Davidson
01:08:24
GREET does not include the refinery-level GHGs. The hydrogen is not included. And the National Academy of Sciences is calling GREET into question as being too low and they are now doing their own study.
Charles Davidson
01:10:24
I passed out 200 flyers in Bayo Vista lasts week
Ann Alexander
01:11:50
@Don the problem is that food crop oils are fungible, meaning that if the refineries use more of the current soy crop, palm oil production will increase to fill in the gap. That was the conclusion of this study and several others. https://cedr.whu.edu.cn/cuijingbo1.pdf
Nadine Peyrucain
01:12:28
I thought I saw in a Philips 66 plan that looked like P66 is requesting the Bay Vista land
Carlos Casares
01:13:04
Show us the proof - because it sounds crazy - that one P66 site would take 40% of all Soy Oil
Kathleen McAfee
01:14:31
re palm oil & soy oil: people who study agro-food systems call soy & palm (& maize, etc.) “flex crops” because they can replace each other in processed foods, animal feeds, & industrial uses. So when demand for soy goes up, that can increases deforestation for soy (& vice versa)
Chirag
01:14:50
Biofuel is mere greenwashing.
Deborah
01:15:39
The Refinery have reached out to Bayo Vista to Schedule a Meeting to talk about the Renewed Project? In the Process of Scheduling to make sure they have time to Comment o the EIR.
Carlos Casares
01:16:22
https://www.gceholdings.com/upstream
Greg Karras
01:16:25
Mr. Casres, true, and it might in fact be crazy, but that doesn’t mean it’s not true. I followed up on the Air District’s question I mentioned, and provided documentation from USDA data, etc. there: www.energy-re-source.com/latest. Look there for “Biofuel: burning food?”
alouria’s iPhone
01:18:20
Since there isn’t enough time to answer all the questions, can the chat questions be added to the presentation document with some answers from speakers and sent out with the recording link?
Janet Pygeorge
01:18:31
And don’t forget the chemicals they add to the feedstock.
Janet Johnson
01:19:29
The chat is included with the recording, appears as a sidebar.
Zei (they/them)
01:19:36
Maureen, try clicking the green “share screen” button on zoom
Shoshana Wechsler
01:19:57
We can all save the chat, but the host will also do that and can send it out.
Stephen Rosenblum
01:21:55
The BAAQMD Technical Advisory Council has said that research shows that there is NO lower limit for adverse health effects of PM2.5
alouria’s iPhone
01:22:38
@janet @shoshanna having the panelists provide input on the unanswered chat questions in a few slides would be appreciated! 🙏🙏🌻
alouria’s iPhone
01:23:38
The smell from P66 has gotten SO much worse lately…
Ann Alexander
01:23:42
In prep for my upcoming presentation on CEQA, here is the Rodeo Renewed Draft Environmental Impact Report. https://www.contracosta.ca.gov/DocumentCenter/View/72880/Rodeo-Renewed-Project-DEIR-October-2021-PDF
Shoshana Wechsler
01:24:02
@ alouria - Great suggestion. It might be easier to do via email after the meeting. I’m sure the presenters would oblige.
Janet Pygeorge
01:25:25
We are in the 80 per cent. And 90 percent cancer asthma heart disease low birth rate, we are losing a generation of young people born in the 50’s and following Years
Janet Pygeorge
01:26:44
This pollution is killing numerous people in CCC.
Dominique Brooks
01:26:44
Hi Deborah,I haven’t received any information regarding Scheduling a meeting. Did you pass out flyers to all the doors?
Charles Davidson
01:27:05
QUESTION: I have heard that Phillips 66 and Marathon will be cleaning their raw biofuels feedstock differently. Is this true?
Carlos Casares
01:27:46
How many within this group have sold their cars, stopped using natural gas in their houses, stopped buying plastics, stopped accepting plastic bags and stopped buying hydrocarbons based products?
Janet Pygeorge
01:27:59
People must learn more about, why so many young people are dying.
Floy Andrews
01:28:08
So scary, Maureen. Thank you for that background!
Kathleen McAfee
01:28:16
Maureen, how do we know that 60% of the Rodeo product will be exported?
Stella
01:28:31
Great presentation, Maureen!
Kathy Casares
01:28:32
can I have the references for the perspective spoken here by Maureen. Maybe the slides could be emailed. Thank you
Carlos Casares
01:28:39
Please use data - science to prove the points -
Stephen Rosenblum
01:30:36
Carlos, shaming individual behavior is not useful in preventing climate change. We need to change laws and regulations to change corporate behavior.
alouria’s iPhone
01:31:03
@carlos - hard to get funding for data collection when the data would be unfavorable to business. Little people and community organizations don’t have deep pockets.
Don
01:32:13
A lot of talk about hydrogen intensity. Is the hydrogen generation capacity increasing as part of the project? Also are the emissions associated with hydrogen production included in EIR and in the ARB GREET model?
Carlos Casares
01:32:28
Shaming corporations but not leading by example as individuals or concerned citizen groups - I find that at odds ‘
Gary Hughes - Biofuelwatch
01:32:47
https://www.contracosta.ca.gov/DocumentCenter/View/72880/Rodeo-Renewed-Project-DEIR-October-2021-PDF
Kathy Kerridge
01:33:09
I drive electric, have solar and got rid of gas furnace and water and try my best not to buy plastic. But without widescale change the fossil fuel industry will destroy humanity.
Gary Hughes - Biofuelwatch
01:33:28
Here is the county landing page for the project https://www.contracosta.ca.gov/RodeoRenewed
Kathy Kerridge
01:33:30
why doesny
Jackie Garcia Mann
01:33:32
We would be much further on our path to renewable energy and away from plastics if fossil fuels weren’t highly subsidized and politically dominant. This is not about consumer choice. We haven’t been allowed to have a true choice. I do have solar to power our home, electric cars, we avoid flying. Lot’s of people would chose to do the same if it were a level playing field.
Steve Ongerth
01:34:36
FWIW: I’m a union member who works in public transit. I drive an electric car, avoid plastics, have an all electric home, use the most efficient stuff I can find (and have a monthly electric bill of < $60), but Stephen R is correct: we need systemic change.
Deborah
01:35:30
Yes flyers will be passed out.
Gary Hughes - Biofuelwatch
01:35:31
I think one of the most important thing a person can do is to engage with civics and decision making in the their community on these important matters.
Thomas's iPad
01:35:41
Democracy Now reported fossil fuel industry is subsidized $11 million/ minute
Lucinda Casson
01:36:07
I, for one, Carlos, have stopped buying plastics, stopped accepting plastic bags, and do my best to avoid using my 11 year old car whenever possible. As a Sr Citizen, it’s not easy to afford replacing a vehicle but I do more than my part. I put out my brown trash can once a month, recycling cans every week. How often do you put your brown can out? You’ve had a lot of criticism of every speak but I’m not seeing any constructive solutions from you.
Maureen
01:36:32
Please! Please hold your (egos) opinions, questions, and unnecessay statements during speaker presenatition. Thank you.
Shoshana Wechsler
01:38:46
Templates for helping to make comments for the DEIRs: https://tinyurl.com/tsz8fy2p
Gary Hughes - Biofuelwatch
01:38:49
The comment period began on Monday, October 18 at 2021 and extends to Friday, December 17, 2021 at 4:00 PM. For both projects, Marathon as well.
Gary Hughes - Biofuelwatch
01:39:31
This is the county landing page for the Marathon Martinez project https://www.contracosta.ca.gov/7961/Martinez-Refinery-Renewable-Fuels-Projec
Chirag
01:39:55
Are contra costa county members able to voice or is it necessary to be in the rodeo or Vallejo?
Jackie Garcia Mann
01:40:14
Someone mentioned that they already started processing biofuels? Do they need a permit? Was this legal?
Gary Hughes - Biofuelwatch
01:41:47
This is the report that BAAQMD is investigating P66 for unpermitted modifications https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exclusive-california-bay-area-regulators-probe-phillips-66-refinery-work-email-2021-09-15/
Kathy Kerridge
01:42:29
Did they give a reason for not addressing hydrogen produced by renewables?
Janet Pygeorge
01:42:46
I want the earthquake problem addressed
Maureen Brennan
01:43:37
chat
Maureen Brennan
01:43:48
I mean, stack.
Sean
01:45:23
Community of Rodeo Facebook page
Shoshana Wechsler
01:45:24
There will be a followup meeting on December 7th—a workshop led by Ann on writing CEQA comments. We’ll send out an email.
Ann Alexander
01:46:18
@Kathy they gave a bad reason - a quick back of the envelope calculation about cost, that didn't actually reflect the economics of the technology.
Jackie Garcia Mann
01:46:40
Well said, Erin!
Chirag
01:47:25
I am in
Steve Ongerth
01:47:31
Thanks everyone!
Gary Hughes - Biofuelwatch
01:47:32
Dec 7!
Deborah
01:47:47
To get information www.rodeorenewed.com
Alex Ceballos
01:47:54
https://www.rodeorenewed.com/webinar
Dominique Brooks
01:48:01
Thank you.
Gary Hughes - Biofuelwatch
01:48:18
Comments deadline Dec 17, 4 PM.
Denice Dennis, Ohlone Land, El Cerrito
01:48:36
Agree with those who have said that they have made individual changes and know that we have to make system changes in order to save some people impacts of climate change and local issues,
Ann Alexander
01:49:02
Re the County's lack of transparency - permitting agencies on controversial projects frequently hold public hearings on DEIRs to allow citizens to show up and speak. Contra Costa did not do that. Unfortunately that's within their discretion under CEQA.
Constance Beutel
01:49:45
Please download and use the Smell my city app https://smellmycity.org
Adrienne
01:50:12
Nobody has mentioned the workforce? What about the hundreds of workers?!
Alex Ceballos
01:50:26
Hey I hear a lot about individual efforts but also what happens to the workers at the refinery ?
Steve Ongerth
01:51:10
I did mention the Pollin report (re: jobs).
Kathy Kerridge
01:51:38
Benicia will soon have a community air monitoring station up and running. BAAQMD has also promised a station.
Steve Ongerth
01:53:06
Here (again) is a link to the Pollin Report:https://www.californiaclimatejobsplan.com/
Steve Ongerth
01:54:07
It’s endorsed by (at least) 19 unions, including 3 refinery workers’ (USW) locals.
Steve Ongerth
01:56:16
Great job y’all; I gotta run.
Carlos Casares
01:56:18
Gregg - That is helpful - so we should also go after the H2 making plants
Carlos Casares
01:56:34
Great explanation - thank you
Ann Alexander
01:58:09
Got to go everyone - look forward to seeing you for the comment writing workshop December 7!
Janet Johnson
01:58:21
Thank you Ann!
Maureen Brennan
01:59:31
stack
Alex Ceballos
02:00:48
after this can we talk about jobs? these are members of the community too
Adrienne
02:01:15
Ok, again-- what about the workers right here in Rodeo?
Alex Ceballos
02:02:50
Low carbon fuel standard is a market based program I though not a government subsidy
Gary Hughes - Biofuelwatch
02:03:27
Alex is correct, LCFS is an
Gary Hughes - Biofuelwatch
02:03:33
incentive not a subsidy
Jackie Garcia Mann
02:06:22
Wait, confused, subsidized or not? Price per gallon of renewable diesel?
D. Ma
02:06:50
But demand was going to return to the marketplace after COVID. It is at it's highest point now. Who is going to support the market when the CA refineries are shut down?
D. Ma
02:07:39
Why isn't there more investment ready for these amazing solutions?
Chirag
02:08:07
How much of the critical mass opposition do we need to build up to have this project scrapped.?
Zei (they/them)
02:08:25
3.5% according to Erica Chenoweth
Gary Hughes - Biofuelwatch
02:08:33
Thanks to everyone!
Debi Clifford
02:08:42
good job all!
Chirag
02:08:45
Thanks
Alex Ceballos
02:08:53
thank you
Jackie Garcia Mann
02:09:04
Fabulous presentation. So much more to understand.
iPadkathypetricca
02:09:07
thanks to all....really good...need to re-play.
Sean
02:09:08
Great meeting
Janet Johnson
02:09:09
www.sunflower-alliance.org
Lucinda Casson
02:09:26
Thanks so much!