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Mountain Migration Study: Panel & Discussion-NWCCOG & CAST Members - Shared screen with speaker view
Jason Blevins
23:16
Everyone and anyone … feel free to drop thoughts / perspectives / questions here … thanks
Skippy Mesirow
26:03
Thanks Jason!
Amanda Uehlein
32:47
Apologies if this has been shared already - is there somewhere we can easily find the report and recommendations?
Jessica Valand, Workforce Director (CDLE)
33:01
https://www.nwccog.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Mtn-Migration-Report-FINAL.pdf
Amanda Uehlein
33:12
Thank you!
Jon Stavney
34:51
Thanks,, Jessica. You have a job waiting for you at NWCCOG.
Jon Stavney
36:53
The recommendations Melanie is listing are written in the report for any of you taking notes.
Skippy Mesirow
37:10
This is SOOOOO good!
Jennifer Kermode
38:03
We will definitely miss you!
Jon Stavney
41:21
Towns of Avon and Fraser have followed Vails InDeed with programs of their own. Are there others who have also?
Jon Stavney
42:13
$11M for 175 deed restrictions since 2018 in Vail
Keith Riesberg
42:42
Winter Park worked w/ Fraser and is pushing forward w/ a deed restriction program
Jim Schmidt, Mayor CB
42:55
Crested Butte is taking it slow. We just don’t have enough funds.
Jeff Durbin
43:14
Frisco has a similar program, Housing Helps 2.0
Todd Brown, Telluride
45:11
Telluride is also trying a similar program … not having much response with the 2nd home owners wanting MORE time here,
Brandon Howes
45:53
Summit County and the Town of Breckenridge have a very similar Housing Helps program.
Shannon Haynes - Breck (she/her)
45:55
Town of Breck too
Andrea Phillips
48:39
We have purchased land in Pagosa Springs and are offering incentives. We want to do 60-150% AMI. We put out an RFP and received zero proposals. Any ideas on getting developers down to resort communities in SW Colorado?
Jon Stavney
50:37
Gerry Flynn, "Renters by necessity."
Jon Stavney
52:47
Are there impediments to modular with process and permitting? The shortened building time is invaluable, how about changes to the approval process?
Jon Stavney
56:08
"Part of the public side is changing that perception," Hunter Mortensen, ".. to make it better."
Bill Almquist
57:48
Curious to hear if any other communities (esp. those with considerably smaller housing budgets/no RETT, etc.) have tried reaching out to second home owners/STR owners to see if they would be interested in converting to long-term rentals, perhaps even with some moderate incentives? Not sure buying deed-restrictions is a viable option for some communities because of the costs. I know that Breck and Salida are looking at something along those lines, anyone else?
Skippy Mesirow
58:23
Yep!
Kris Mattera, Basalt Chamber
58:28
The face of affordable housing has shifted dramatically. The migration report quantifies that - most locals are making less than $150K, which makes it really hard to buy, especially as a first time homebuyer.
Jon Stavney
01:00:25
There is your PR campaign, "the new face of affordable housing" .... with profiles of essential workers.
Skippy Mesirow
01:02:14
Guys this is amazing! Well done. I have to run to my other other other job. If anyone want to connect on any of this to share notes, best pratices, and support one another I am 100% IN. Cell: 8475300811 Email: Skippy.Mesirow@CityofAspen.com ; Aspen City Council member, and APCHA Housing Board Chair - Blessings to all.
Jason Blevins
01:02:34
thanks Skippy!
Jon Stavney
01:03:17
Talk about affordable neighborhood vs "affordable project." What does that mean practically and with regard to public PR?
Geneva Shaunette
01:03:18
Telluride has Housing mitigation fees on construction, a sales tax, property tax, and a short term rental tax
Jon Stavney
01:05:11
Tax initiatives have a better opportunity now than in the past. .. We cannot ignore taxation (as a local funding source). Melanie Rees
Jon Stavney
01:06:31
Patti Clapper, "to amend TABOR to allow communities to vote on their own.... I'm going to be looking to everyone for support to amend TABOR... to allow this...."
Kim Baxter, Mayor, Durango
01:06:57
And transportation!
Scott Robson-Vail
01:07:01
You’ve got our support in Vail Patti!
Beth Melton
01:07:38
Get it done, Patti! We're with you!
Sara Ott
01:08:50
hello, this is Sara Ott, City Manager in Aspen. You are welcome to contact me at sara.ott@cityofaspen.com if you have questions about our taxing authorities for housing and childcare services. Thanks
Jon Stavney
01:11:37
In 20 years we spent $20M on Parks and Rec and $2M on housing... Mayor Baxter, Durango (correct figures if wrong please.) "taking the P&R money is not popular... but...."
Jon Stavney
01:12:02
OOPA, $120M on P&R....
Jason Blevins
01:12:08
whoa!
Jon Stavney
01:13:46
Wendy Sullivan, coordination on marketing between state and local level.... (not consistent in messaging)
Jon Stavney
01:14:31
George, mute, please
Jon Stavney
01:17:17
How do you message to second homeowners and investors? George Reuther, when the Sweet Basil shut down for lunch because they couldn't staff it.... the council chambers filled....
Jon Stavney
01:18:17
Andy Miller, We are in a public sales campaign that needs to go national...
Wendy Koenig, Mayor Estes
01:19:32
Thank you. This is a very useful program with specific ideas to consider implementing.
Jennifer Kermode
01:20:30
I agree, Hunter - as their experience while in our towns changes for the worse, they get more interested in how to help.
Margaret Bowes, CAST
01:20:42
All: Please post your questions for the Panel here in the Chat.
Jon Stavney
01:21:16
Jason Blevins, Second home owners put out a lot. The RETT, supporting NPOs, it Is a lot to ask them to carry more water.... (what I hear when I talk to them)
Jon Stavney
01:24:07
"That messaging should get away from the term Second Home Owners. These are residents." Melanie Rees. "It is all blended. Everyone should be used are residents." Drop "second homeowner" in your messaging.
Jon Stavney
01:24:34
sorry about typo
Jon Stavney
01:25:46
Florida Taxes Second Homeowners. California has a Vacancy Tax. Wendy Sullivan. Look outside your area. Did it just take political will because it was right for your community?
Jon Stavney
01:27:08
Part Time Residents, not SHO...
Jon Stavney
01:27:38
Tourism Management is in the cross hairs right now, Jason Blevins...… who wants to weigh in on that one...
Andy Beerman
01:28:27
Utah has an exception for full time homeowners. One property per household, about 45% discount. You must request it with the County Assessor.
Kris Mattera, Basalt Chamber
01:28:59
If you look at sales tax, the communities that had more diversified economies, and were less completely reliant on tourism, did better during COVID. Our part-time residents assisted, as they became more invested - as residents, not visitors. It may make more sense to have diversified economies overall…
Jon Stavney
01:30:37
Destination Marketing Plan.... time to reassess? Some are saying.... we are full. Patti Clapper PitCo Commissioner
Todd Brown, Telluride
01:31:33
Yes, we’re full … shifting marketing to “Leave No Trace” and similar “how to act outdoors”
Andy Beerman
01:32:04
The flood of second homeowners staying and spending replaced most of the tourism $$$ lost in our community during COVID. Not sure if that can sustain, but if it does, that changes the model.
Kris Mattera, Basalt Chamber
01:32:05
The state’s tourism office (CTO) is focused on a “spread them out” strategy, with a slant towards sustainable tourism (both from an environmental perspective and economic)
Jon Stavney
01:32:46
I don't think it would be a bad thing for these communities if there were fewer low-wage, tourism based jobs... Melanie Rees. These should be considered opportunities, not pitfalls... Diversity could be a very good thing.
Kim Baxter, Mayor, Durango
01:32:50
An toward "regenerative tourism" - making the community better - enhance the quality of life.
Todd Brown, Telluride
01:34:37
Diversity in economy sounds great … but with no land left and being so far away from anywhere, we’re not likely to attract anything other than on-line businesses.
Jon Stavney
01:35:27
Please thank Jason Blevins of The Colorado Sun for moderating. If you are not subscribing to, supporting and reading The Colorado Sun right now, please do. It is the best, detailed reporting on these issues today in real time.
Kris Mattera, Basalt Chamber
01:36:00
The Colorado Sun has been my go-to resource for this topic. Jason’s coverage has been great.
Jessica Valand, Workforce Director (CDLE)
01:36:42
The Sun is amazing. I don’t know how we ever lived without it! So refreshing to have top-tier journalism in CO, and the coverage of rural issues is excellent.
Jon Stavney
01:37:50
Wendy Sullivan, taxing STRs can be self limiting and reduce the need for more regulation. It is an important balance.
Jon Stavney
01:38:55
South Lake Tahoe voters banned STR -- did I hear that correctly? We need to again track the STR situations in these communities to leverage them as experiments in policy
Beth Melton
01:43:33
Routt County does not permit STRs outside of the municipalities
Margaret Bowes, CAST
01:43:39
I echo Jason's thanks to our distinguished panel! We appreciate your time and expertise.
Beth Melton
01:44:43
Our challenge is enforcement
Jason Blevins
01:44:45
Thanks y’all!
Jon Stavney
01:45:02
Indeed. Thanks Jason. Thanks Margaret for recording and everything else. CAST rocks. YOu guys have the best fun meetings in the very best places...
Jon Stavney
01:47:13
Thanks everyone, ducking out to get back to family vacation here in Santa Cruz. Discussion today was just as relevant here, but the beach is calling...
Bill Almquist
01:49:56
What other IMMEDIATE measures are people taking to get local workforce who are in substandard housing (or no housing at all, inc. RVs, tent-camping, etc.) right now/ASAP? Even if we had the funds, we're likely looking out a year or two at least until units are actually in the ground. What other creative options are mountain communities considering?
Lily Oswald, City of Ouray
01:50:53
re: immediate housing needs, the City of Ouray is issuing an emergency ordinance (similar to CB) for RV campers used for workforce housing in all zones in the City.
Bill Almquist
01:52:10
Thanks Dara and Lily, keep it coming...
Kris Mattera, Basalt Chamber
01:53:30
One thing I have noticed is that there is a lack of established tenants rights. Historically this is very strong in college towns (younger populations). It makes it challenging when one rents and has no real rights when there is substandard housing/conditions.
Todd Brown, Telluride
01:54:59
Telluride looking into restricting the number of properties any one owner may purchase
Geneva Shaunette
01:56:08
We’re also discussing some deed restricted commercial programs downtown underneath housing
Andrea Phillips
02:01:48
Southwest COG is also dealing with housing. Can we include some other COGs?
Kris Mattera, Basalt Chamber
02:03:29
I will be sharing with the Colorado Resiliency Office’s Rural Prosperity team, which is state-wide multi-industry group (many COGs/EDCs represented.)
Kris Mattera, Basalt Chamber
02:03:37
sharing this*
Jennifer Kermode
02:04:27
And I'll be sharing this with the Colorado Mountain Housing Coalition - many of your housing authorities are already members.
Kris Mattera, Basalt Chamber
02:09:27
One thing I would ask - please involve renters in these discussions as you move forward. Many of the decision makers tend to be homeowners and may not be as close to the reality/challenges of what much of the (rental) year-round workforce is facing.
DeLanie Young - Mayor, Telluride
02:10:40
I would love to be involved, and I am a renter. I understand.
Kris Mattera, Basalt Chamber
02:10:57
Thank you DeLanie!
Bill Almquist
02:13:08
Our hotels in Salida did well during the peak season, but was down during the shoulder seasons, while our STRs stayed constant or went up, even with more extended stays by owners.
Kris Mattera, Basalt Chamber
02:14:10
Our hotels have been wanting to level the playing field (taxes, fees) as well.
Andy Beerman
02:17:25
Thanks for the great discussion.
Kris Mattera, Basalt Chamber
02:17:31
Thank you!
Jason Blevins
02:18:03
fantastic presentation … anyone ever want to share news / perspectives / yell at a reporter! … Jason Blevins 303-564-5192 / jason@coloradosun.com
Jim Schmidt, Mayor CB
02:18:08
Thanks, all.!
Kim Baxter, Mayor, Durango
02:18:15
ou everyone - I learned a lot!
Kim Baxter, Mayor, Durango
02:18:22
Thank you!
Hunter Mortensen, Mayor Frisco Co.
02:18:23
Thank you all! Until we meet in Telluride!
Mia Vlaar
02:18:27
Thanks to everyone, remarkable report and call!