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Climate: Net Zero Carbon Together – but how and when? - Shared screen with speaker view
Tom McGarry
29:03
Laura, I think we met over a breakfast with Mark Gallagher years ago, when I confidently predicted Jeremy Corbyn would only be leader of the Labour Party for six months. Nice to see you again!
Robert Phillips
41:33
Please do share thoughts and questions using the Chat function.
emmajones
45:44
Newmarket is fantastic you are right!
emmajones
46:23
And Agas!?
James Alexander
49:06
Totally agree Rosanna - joined up thinking necessary and essential to reach this target
Robert Phillips
50:34
Also, a need for planning authorities to think strategically in where they build new homes - ie. not in areas with no public transport infrastructure ..
Rosanna Lawn
53:48
All departments work far too silo’d at the moment, even within the planning authorities themselves…
emmajones
55:50
The structure of organisations themselves needs to be addressed - I recommend “Reinventing Organisations” by Frederic Laloux on ways to flatten decision making (the illustrated version is great)
Rosanna Lawn
58:06
So sorry - lorry crashing into my car outside so had to dash off quickly!
Laura Sandys
58:51
wow
Rosanna Lawn
59:00
London living….
emmajones
59:37
I am concerned!!!
emmajones
01:00:50
Public commitments are important too..
Robert Phillips
01:06:03
On Broadband, worth reading Derek Wyatt’s article on Joseph Chamberlain 6.0
Robert Phillips
01:06:46
Abellio Greater Anglia also need to join the conversation - region needs a carbon neutral/ positive rail provider that works.
Patrick Craven
01:07:35
Points very well made around comms infrastructure and skills drain etc. Being part based in Herts and part based in Warwicks but based officially out of London I take for granted at times the quality and accessibility of comms technology - I do not think I will ever go back to an expectation that commuting to City will be an essential component of my working life. Is that a model that would apply to workers based in Suffolk?
emmajones
01:09:43
Patrick, that is very important - and being more imaginative about how many jobs can be done very well locally and flexibly
Patrick Craven
01:10:06
Thanks for the call out Laura - happy to elaborate on the Skills Bridge concept and share that with delegates. The underlying feature of that work is that change will inevitably involve some displacement of work and we need to plan that into the model. Covid has accelerated some of that and also created some additional impact in employment areas we could not have predicted.
Johnathan Reynolds
01:10:39
Love the Heineken reference for Hydrogen Laura! :)
James Alexander
01:11:07
Adnams better than Heineken - and already do bio-energy - a brilliant exemplar
James Alexander
01:12:00
Suba was brilliant on this on Tuesday
Rosanna Lawn
01:12:25
brewdog are carbon neutral as a beer company too!
emmajones
01:12:45
The London Inter-disciplinary School is a new approach for universities about taking on multi-disciplinary subjects rather than subject silos… where is our local example of that model of learning?
Tony Langham
01:13:37
And not only Lowestoft, living the values, High Tide are bringing live performance to Peterborough this weekend
James Alexander
01:13:55
RSPB Lakenheath was built on former carrot fields as adaptation to sea level rise. It is now a glorious reed bed
Robert Phillips
01:14:20
New centres of learning (and skills) excellence - properly networked - might also help build inter-sectional thinking
emmajones
01:14:32
On the subject of Constables - I think a vision based on pictures is very powerful. Perhaps children do that best - a modern take on Tony Hart’s Gallery may be a good initiative?
Saul Humphrey
01:15:15
In terms of the construction sector, may I just reiterate the point that we add less than 1% to the new housing stock in the UK each year. We have to consider the retrofit/refurbishment of the other 99% of existing homes (and other buildings) if we are going to get any where near to hitting the carbon neutral target.
James Alexander
01:15:50
Surely EDF could choose to take the financial risk for the college?
Rosanna Lawn
01:15:54
Agreed, the UKGBC have written a paper on it but are yet to find a viable and affordable solution. The issue is the fabric first approach which is so costly
Robert Phillips
01:17:04
James - same model could apply to Scottish Power, National Grid and other energy providers plus big construction firms - each helping develop new academies/ centres of excellence.
Laura Sandys
01:17:23
Great to see that EDF is thinking about businsss models and shaping new customer needs
Laura Sandys
01:17:49
We need more entrepreneurial approaches like Julia is showing
Robert Phillips
01:18:28
Laura - one of the suggestions yesterday was launch of a Social Enterprise (Fund_) to catalyse such initiatives … community owned
James Alexander
01:19:32
Great examples Julia. AB Sugar grow tomatoes and cannabis with their excess heat. Cannabis is higher margin.
Patrick Craven
01:19:57
The FE White Paper is due out in late November/early December and coupled with ongoing TVET qualifications reform will change the nature of what courses are offered and how they stay aligned to regional labour market demand. Devolved budgets should play a part here but point taken about central intervention where Mayoral Authority does not exist and Devolution White Paper has been kicked into next year. That employer/industry co-created education and training system should feature strongly in the White Paper and so may well act as a catalyst for those changes.
emmajones
01:21:56
I had never heard of Cannabis being used in that way, James!!
James Alexander
01:22:20
UK NHS need cannabis
Tony Langham
01:23:45
“Medicinal cannabis” will hopefully be grown in UK soon, so not unrealistic
Laura Sandys
01:28:35
Energy Agency
James Alexander
01:28:56
Nature based solutions are a key element in our response to climate change. First for carbon storage (yes trees, but also re-wetting peatland). Nature also fab in helping with adaptation - eg. flood defence. For more see https://www.naturebasedsolutionsinitiative.org/
James Alexander
01:30:18
So agree Nigel
James Alexander
01:36:56
Loving all the examples. Feels like we need an architect to bring them together - to create the ambition and to champion delivery. Love too Julia’s final remark - that it is the community that needs to ask for what they want. Imagine if the architect was doing this to Government, to other businesses and to citizens.
Rosanna Lawn
01:37:27
In terms of agriculture do you think we should be looking at restricting meat farming and intake as it is a huge contributor?
emmajones
01:37:48
I am grateful I got a heads up and thinking time!
James Alexander
01:38:26
Ah yes. Suffolk pigs fed on imported soy - exporting our ecological footprint AND costing huge amounts of carbon in the process
James Alexander
01:41:07
You are the constable :))
Nigel Salter
01:42:15
Agree that Robert - net zero carbon is not just the energy picture. Its striking that major corporations all now required to have costed plans to net zero. Most companies have used a process called TCFD analysis to work this out for investors. Use the same model at regional level and get local buy-in to the choices and changes needed?
Robert Phillips
01:42:20
We have allies. Sometimes in unepexcted places. We need to bring them together and together commit to the change
Robert Phillips
01:42:28
Lone that Rob - thanks
Robert Phillips
01:42:45
*Love
Robert Phillips
01:44:11
Agree, Nigel.Accountability to sensible metrics at a local, as well as national, level would be v helpful
emmajones
01:45:23
Link to inaccessibility and poverty too - more affordable houses often the least access to community facilities, support, services…
James Alexander
01:45:38
Turning video off - to eat :)
Nigel Salter
01:45:56
Science-based target per region and local mayor and group to take the lead on managing the process?
Zion
01:47:04
A lot of progress is being made in the area of agriculture. Clean meat will likely be the future. Rewilding is happening. It's still a smaller slice of the pie than energy, however.
emmajones
01:47:35
Agree - the willingness to take a stand and take risks and make changes is vital! we should be able to help find allies and influential people between us
Zion
01:48:30
Homes do need to be made more energy efficient, this is probably one of the simplest things to remedy, but isn't happening on a significant scale.
Rosanna Lawn
01:48:48
these are also individual actions councils / organisations can take outside of what others are doing to make their own decisions on who they work with!
Rosanna Lawn
01:50:27
All communities should have the ability to micro grid
Rosanna Lawn
01:51:34
Etopia are actually developing a retrofit product for market with finance options in place for housing associations to be able to distribute and use en masse without huge upfront capex
Rosanna Lawn
01:51:52
We need more solutions like that in the market - a solution with viable finance options
Saul Humphrey
01:51:52
Forums like this are great but sometimes it feels as though we are preaching to the converted. How do we listen to and support the next generation to drive this agenda? If National Government are not prioritising the carbon commitment, then surely we have an obligation to address this crisis locally.
Robert Phillips
01:52:22
Totally right, Saul. The delivery of this is next week’s challenge!
emmajones
01:52:37
Very interesting… how people want to live - the mix and public and private space - is very important. Too many gated developments?…
Patrick Craven
01:53:08
Great debate and points really well made Laura. I have to duck out now but very happy to hook back in and help with any of the aligned skills strategy.
Johnathan Reynolds
01:53:40
Apologies everyone, I need to dial off for another commitment. Thanks for another really great discussion! I look forward to working with you all to take this forward! :)
Zion
01:55:08
Also need to leave, apologies. Thanks for the discussion!
Robert Phillips
01:55:24
Really appreciate your contributions, thanks
James Alexander
01:57:01
Lovely set of thoughts Tony
Saul Humphrey
01:58:37
I think James has just initiated the “fabric first” agenda
James Alexander
01:59:16
:)
Chris Ball
02:01:56
Points made earlier about the role of EVs and their use as an energy store; yes, they have a role to play, but we need to be very (very) careful here. As an example, ut would take 130,220 Nissan Leafs to power a city the size of Bristol for 6 hours. Multiply this up for long periods of low generation from intermittency. Need to be very careful in how facts are illustrated.
Nigel Salter
02:03:55
Robert - would recommend we all look at the Danish model on this - there are 6 or 7 ‘tracks to zero’ that have been established and each track is overseen by a multi-stakeholder group. One for food, one fo energy, one for transport etc. Importantly, the business sector is fully involved and each track has been give a clear destination - the discussion and inputs focus on how.
Rosanna Lawn
02:06:07
but where are all the trained engineers to facilitate the move to ASHPs?
Rosanna Lawn
02:06:11
Another education issue…
Saul Humphrey
02:07:25
“Air source heat pumps” for those not partial to the acronym!
Rosanna Lawn
02:07:35
oh thanks Saul - industry jargon..
Ian Pease
02:08:07
https://www.suffolk.gov.uk/assets/planning-waste-and-environment/Pledge-to-climate-emergency-declaration/REE-SCEP-Technical-Report.pdf
Tom McGarry
02:08:14
My conclusion was going to be that if you want to see the vision become reality then lobby local politicians as much as you engage with industry and communities - or see momentum lost in process. Encourage them to break out of it.
Robert Phillips
02:08:33
Thanks, Tom. Aologies for interrupting you
James Alexander
02:08:56
Julia - you are fab at representing nuclear / thank you
Rosanna Lawn
02:09:14
A core group of various industry representatives leading a joined up lobbying campaign would be key
Tony Langham
02:09:33
fantastic to hear Julia, thank you
James Alexander
02:10:30
We also need more action
Tom McGarry
02:11:50
Robert - maybe you should be the founding member of the People's Front of the Heritage Coast?
James Alexander
02:12:48
Thank you Robert and Jericho