
07:24
https://bit.ly/BOTH_AND_HANDBOOK_DL

08:04
Two for one: Rob Kopp and Michelle Miller

09:09
Good morning! Welcome.

15:46
So NOW it's official!

17:17
Good morning.

17:24
Hello From Mitchell

17:26
Remember to select All panelists and attendees so that all can see.

17:44
Good morning!

17:51
Yolanda Y Williams Glenwood United Parish

17:59
Hi Everyone! I love you all, but I'm glad that I didn't have to drive hours to be with you today with this weather!

18:00
Hello from Faith Eyota! This is Laurie.

18:09
Hello, a good day to be doing this online rather than in person

18:32
Good Morning… Rob Kopp and Michelle Miller… Clergy couple, four churches.

18:34
Hi from Pine Island, MN!

18:36
Barb from Faith UMC Spring Valley

18:44
Linda from Red Wing First - thankful to be working from home, watching her snow.

18:49
Good morning from Sioux Falls, SD!

18:51
Chad Green, Faith UMC St.Anthony Village, Good morning and thank you.

18:59
Laura from Stewartville UMC: Good morning!

19:04
Clay Lundberg for Canton, SD UMC

19:10
Hello from Marty in windy Jamestown

19:13
Michele from RC First and Open Heart

19:41
The four churches…. Bemidji, Crookston, Fosston, Erskine… NW Minnesota

22:38
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23:38
-37.83

24:00
Good Morning from Saint Michael, MN

24:17
Good morning from Sioux Falls Asbury!

24:29
WooHoo from Annandale MN

24:30
Good morning, Matt!

24:33
Jason is going to take off like a scalded gazelle! Hang on!

24:41
Hey Kip!

24:45
good morning from Coon Rapids UMC, although I’m in Albertville 🙂

24:58
Good morning from Buffalo, MN

24:58
Good morning from Mora, MN

25:00
Good morning from Arthur, ND! It's the quiet before the storm coming in this evening. :-)

25:12
Good morning from Cambridge, MN!

25:24
Good morning from Minneapolis, MN

25:42
Hi from McCabe in Bismarck! 3 of us are on: both pastors and our family ministry director.

25:47
Good morning from Lake Poinsett Camp!

25:47
STRANGER THINGS!

26:00
Good morning from south Minneapolis.

26:16
So glad you are all here!!

27:43
Good morning from Living Spirit Church!

28:12
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28:51
Good morning from Washburn/Center/Hazen UMC!

29:27
Hello again, this time to all! Grace UMC Fergus Falls.

29:27
Good morning in Epiphany from Chatfield: SE MN

30:04
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30:59
I did not =/

31:01
Yes, I was there

31:02
Yep!

31:03
Yes.

31:03
I did

31:03
Attended it and loved it.

31:03
I did.

31:03
Yes

31:04
I did

31:04
no

31:05
yep

31:05
yep

31:06
Nope

31:06
not

31:07
yes

31:07
I did!

31:07
I did

31:07
I was there for part of it

31:09
WAs that the one in March/April? Yes

31:10
Yep

31:10
yes

31:12
no

31:13
no

31:16
Loved it

31:17
Yep! It was very helpful!

31:25
Yes

31:28
no

34:10
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35:19
I can’t relate because I’ve never broken a string in all my years of playing guitar. ;-)

35:51
Ok, Matt :-)

35:54
Then this analogy isn’t for you, Matt! hahaha

36:12
But seriously, that is a great analogy. As a multi-instrumentalist, the more tools you have available to you, the more variety you can bring to the music.

36:22
Yup!

36:25
YES!!!!

36:25
Both

36:25
Yes.

36:29
both!

36:30
yes

36:33
I have not, but our family ministry director, Carrie, has!

36:35
I saw the movie...didn't read the book

38:32
About an hour

38:33
50 minutes to an hour

38:34
1 hr

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1 hour

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60-65

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1 hr

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1 hour max

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1 hour long

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1 hour

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1hr

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hour

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50

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1 hour

38:37
60min

38:37
1 hour

38:37
50 minutes

38:37
1 hour

38:37
60 min

38:37
1 hour

38:37
60 minutes

38:39
60-75 minutes

38:40
45-50 min

38:41
1 hour pre-…. Now 1/2 hour online

38:43
1 hour

38:43
45

38:43
one hour and it is still an hour

38:43
60-65

38:45
A short hour

38:48
1 hour

38:48
one service an hour another 2 hurs

38:52
50-60 minutes

39:46
45 max

39:47
1 hour

39:48
40

39:48
40

39:49
45 minutes

39:49
25-35 min

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40-45 minutes

39:50
45

39:51
25 minutes

39:52
45

39:52
50 min

39:52
30

39:52
25-32 minutes

39:52
45-50

39:52
Aiming for 45

39:52
same

39:52
30-35

39:53
It is the same

39:53
30-35

39:53
about the same

39:54
Most are 30ish but up to 40

39:54
25-35 min

39:54
same

39:54
shorter, 45

39:54
45 minutes

39:55
40

39:55
40 min

39:55
40

39:55
55

39:55
25-35 minutes

39:55
Same amount

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35 minutes

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30 minutes

39:59
40,shorter

40:00
50-55 which is a little shorter (15-20 minutes shorter)

40:02
pre-recorded -- 25; livestream -- 35

40:02
45

40:03
Is there a difference between the cultural expectations of the congregation?

40:04
and folks are staying with the whole service

40:06
same

40:28
@Tyler Sit: surely that is a factor

41:04
@Tyler-HI! Love your insight!

41:46
Think youTube video watching something you are slightly interested in

42:17
Our service drops off quit a bit after the sermon - usualy 30 - 35 minutes in.

42:24
Need to consider the long-term ramifications of these real-time decisions...

42:34
people sit for two hours watching online videos

42:57
For the most part, yes

42:57
no

42:57
yes

42:57
not all

42:58
no

42:59
Me!

42:59
I am

43:00
zip

43:00
no

43:01
No

43:01
Not my family

43:01
No

43:01
I am singing! But I know many don't

43:02
not all

43:02
I am but I can’t help it.

43:03
not singing all of them

43:04
Depends.

43:06
no

43:06
Many people say that they are when we survey

43:08
No, but I hear from some who do.

43:09
nope 1-2

43:12
But, Glenwood, in two hours they watch 10-12 videos in those two houjrs

43:18
Yes I sing from home

43:26
They (I) will watch a longer video if they are already invested.

44:02
it seems to in music videos

44:38
I find it easier to sing along online with our contemporary than the traditional.

45:05
I broadcast the sheet music

45:08
We did Picture in Picture

45:09
We’ve done an inset songleader

46:19
we commune all at the same time

47:11
yes

47:12
yes Vanco

47:12
Yes - Vanco

47:13
Yes Vanco

47:13
yes Vanco

47:13
yup

47:14
Vanco

47:14
Yes, Vanco

47:14
Online - Vanco

47:14
tithely

47:14
breeze

47:14
Yes. Vanco

47:14
yes, GivePlus

47:15
GivePlus

47:15
We are. Vanco

47:15
Vanco

47:16
Yes Vanco

47:16
We are. Planning Center

47:16
Vanco

47:17
We use Community Church Builder

47:17
Vanco

47:18
yes vanco

47:19
Yes. Vanco

47:20
Yes. Can’t remember vendor

47:21
Realm, text giving

47:21
MN GIve,

47:22
breeze

47:22
Vanco

47:24
tithely

47:33
Vanco but no good link to share in the chat.

47:41
And using Give Plus app

47:56
GivePlus

47:56
@Dianna Foltz - do you have a link on your website?

48:05
Is it okay for a church to use Venmo or Cash app? Aren’t those only for individuals?

48:35
Link on the website and in the bulletin - and QR code in the bulletin, too

48:40
Text to give

48:46
@Tyler Sit - I see friends promote a church Venmo / CashApp name for their online services...

48:51
@jenny yes, but it’s super clunky right now. would LOVE to find a way to use Venmo.

49:15
@Tyler, possibly? I think that the example was for personal money transfer

49:42
@Dianna Foltz - We have had to adjust how our Vanco page works because it hasn’t been ideal, for sure. I think you could definitely set up Venmo…

50:53
With Venmo, I'd be interested in how accountability would work, how two people would be able to "count" it

51:32
Peggy, I do not know for sure, but I would think it would be however any other online giving is tracked with appropriate accountability.

52:19
@Jenny, true - there are three people that receive emails for online giving, I'd be curious how to set that up with Venmo. But I haven't looked into it at all

52:29
how many minutes do you spend on offering in a 25 minute service??

53:02
5-30 second tune, doxology, offertory prayer

53:03
2 minute invite to give and to thank all for their ministry support

53:06
we share a link in the chat and also throw up a “thank you” slide

53:51
I don’t call it Offering - I call it “Give and Serve” so there’s a quick story about a particular mission opportunity as well as the link to our website for giving, then a short prayer. 3-4 minutes

53:58
We created an online giving video for pre-produced worship that lasts 40 seconds with instructions for online giving and mailed offerings.

54:11
groan

54:13
LOL

54:14
Do you want to invest in your Digital Campus? Check out the support and grant available at: https://www.minnesotaumc.org/eventdetail/14864068

54:17
Matt, that’s great!

54:24
😂

54:27
Wesleyan mine workers haha

54:27
Based on my wife’s experience with Venmo, there is no way to set up a “non-profit/business” account, especially if you already have your own account. I’d like to know if anyone solves that and the accountability issues with Venmo.

54:28
That's what I think when ever I hear UMW because I grew up in Pittsburgh

54:29
Love your humor

54:36
We have LOL (ladies of the Lord)

54:48
I like it Quaya!

54:49
Wesleyan Miner Union

55:02
Do the Dakotas have a grant for digital campus?

55:28
Yes Peggy! I will share info at the end of the webinar and it is on the conference website too.

55:30
Yes each conference is offering 10 grants. The application is the same.

55:46
Thanks Gail and Deb

56:01
Dakota Link: https://www.dakotasumc.org/calendar/digital-campus-initiative-training?recur=1850

57:27
IT's a great flow to worship

57:34
yeah Camp!

58:25
Please address “Joys and Concerns”

58:26
Hello to all my NPCL friends! Welcome to another zoom meeting this week! Lol!

59:11
@Jo Anne - we invite everyone to text joys and concerns or to put them in the chat

59:29
Ooooh, Jo Anne Taylor…my brain is not open enough to understand how “Joys and Concerns” work at all for those online.

59:58
I have completely abandoned Joys and Concerns, but I know when we go back to hybrid worship, people in the room will expect it

01:00:05
Yes!

01:00:06
grogu!

01:00:08
We tend to hang on way too long to what is working

01:00:08
WOOT WOOT

01:00:08
Yes!

01:00:10
yes

01:00:11
This is the way.

01:00:12
Yeah!

01:00:41
@Jo Anne, people may expect it, but it's hard to hear with the masks, so I'm inviting people to write them down. And I'm hoping that is how we can continue

01:00:46
I forced Amy to watch each episode with me early in the day so that I could read other takes on it every week.

01:01:05
Peggy - that sounds great.

01:01:34
And a rut is just a grave with its ends kicked out.

01:02:52
More helpful to think of strategies to get out of a rut as well… we all get into ruts… human

01:02:56
@Kip-is that your own quote? I'm going to steal it :-)

01:02:57
@Peggy, I am thinking of creating a “prayer wall” near the entrance where people can post sticky note prayer requests

01:03:08
yeah, but the Mandalorian is poorly paced TV, and it still works!

01:03:19
That would be great Jo Anne!

01:03:22
@Quaya - can't remember where I heard it.

01:03:22
I have wondered, though, if the familiar pattern of the service is a comfort for those who are missing a bulletin (which we no longer use)

01:03:24
LOL

01:03:33
ARGH!!

01:03:44
@Jason, he also needs to pluck that center hair

01:03:51
Ha-ha!

01:03:56
Lol

01:03:56
Wooppsss

01:04:01
CS Lewis said he wanted to be surprised by God not the liturgy. :-)

01:04:02
Isn’t that an Australian church? ;-)

01:04:22
When Lionel Richey leads worship...

01:04:29
Man, I hope we are going to talk about sound

01:04:36
Thanks Deb :)

01:04:47
Been there!

01:05:09
@Rob Kopp - Do you mean the incredible importance of quality sound?

01:05:30
yes

01:05:38
yes - sound / volume issues!!

01:05:41
First place to invest in technology is sound

01:05:48
Yup

01:06:11
Going into quarantine, the first thing I did was buy a good sound mixing board

01:06:48
Yes- we will ask at the end if Jason doesn't address sound and lighting- if you missed the first 2 webinars- those were topics- we will ask again!

01:07:48
yikes

01:07:49
I’ve worked with tech teams that look way too much like the kiddos. ;-)

01:07:49
hahahahahahaha

01:07:54
:-) :-) :-)

01:07:55
Haha I see subtle differences between the two

01:07:55
He's great!

01:07:56
Very funny!

01:07:56
😂🤣😁

01:07:57
(Snore) Hey Jason, we're at 45 minutes. To be culturally current, should we all start dropping off this session? (grin)

01:07:57
cute kids

01:08:01
love it

01:08:13
@Mark Squire…oooooh, burn, man.

01:08:23
Amen - I loved those at home episodes

01:08:24
I think we all felt that way working at home with kids.. haha

01:08:25
Yes…..

01:08:47
Think all of the overdeveloped presentations we have all attended

01:08:58
Could someone drop the link to where the previous sessions re: light and sound are?

01:09:49
I’ve been following the growing pains of new YouTubers for years…. Lots to glean there as well

01:10:01
Tyler- we can check if those are still sharable- they were available to each conference for 30 days after the webinar to view- not sure if they are still open to share- but will check!

01:10:19
That was way less energy

01:10:22
@ Rob that's my inspiration as well. Twitch streamers are so good at this stuff

01:10:22
More chill

01:10:23
sound/video quality

01:10:23
informal

01:10:24
We had the previous sessions available for a limited time. We will see if we can find access.

01:10:26
They knew they couldn’t recreate the old way

01:10:27
casual

01:10:29
Not the old music

01:10:29
We’re getting a balcony for our praise band...

01:10:32
Wasn’t wearing a suit...

01:10:36
humility

01:10:36
More casual -

01:10:56
So out here in Chatfield we finally got fiber internet. I may be able to get my videos uploaded in less than 3 hours.

01:10:58
I think the key word is 'authentic'

01:11:03
Time for a haircut. haha

01:11:03
be culturally sensitive with your changes

01:11:22
We change up settings for recording

01:11:38
At home, at the cabin, in the sanctuaries

01:11:43
combine nostalgia with innovation

01:12:17
Did Jason say what platform he’s using to do this broadcast right now?

01:12:27
This is Zoom

01:12:47
Sorry--what is he using to get the banners on the bottom in zoom?

01:13:04
One of the big differences “my” people notice between in person recording and when it is just the worship team and me: the orientation of the sanctuary is reversed when I am recording with just the worship team. LOL.

01:13:14
Transitions really make the difference!

01:13:33
turn your phone around

01:13:46
Oh, this one is so painful I may have to watch it on mute.

01:13:52
unfair to out them. Most have already seen this

01:13:56
this is my favoriteeeeee

01:14:02
Hahaha

01:14:09
oh boy...

01:14:10
Oh I have not seen this at all

01:14:10
oh no!

01:14:14
OOOOOOOOOfffffffff

01:14:14
This is so amazing

01:14:17
Even on mute I can hear it! Aaahhhh!

01:14:18
Ouch!

01:14:18
uffda

01:14:20
yikes

01:14:20
Definitely not good at improvising.

01:14:20
I had not seen this and wow!

01:14:21
ouch!

01:14:26
What's the problem?

01:14:35
Sounds like my daughter practicing her French horn.

01:14:36
Lord have mercy!

01:14:37
actually lol

01:14:38
/That pianist looks like he is praying for it just to end. Tuning is important!

01:14:38
my perfectly tuned ears and crying...the keyboardist's facial expressions say it ALL!

01:14:39
@Kip- You’ve seen worse from me.

01:14:44
I don’t get why they don’t stop and adjust ... kind of sad.

01:14:45
I am having a conversion moment with this video

01:14:47
love the side glance to the camera...

01:14:48
Thanks for the tip about turning the phone around!

01:14:51
this is painful to watch

01:14:51
lol

01:14:52
Kudos to the pianist to keep going

01:14:52
@Matt - never! :)

01:14:53
The keyboard player should have switched keys

01:14:56
It is a contemporary interpretation

01:14:56
please remember they are beloved children of God

01:14:56
Things happen even with rehearsal

01:15:04
I don’t know how the key board player kept going

01:15:05
Nice Philip Glass number

01:15:09
Where’s the altar call! I’m ready Jesus!

01:15:15
I have had to stop and start songs in the past. It’s better to acknowledge it than to try to push through.

01:15:22
I would have kept watching. that’s just awesomely entertaining

01:15:24
Yep, Matt. So much better.

01:15:34
He's no Kenny G, that's for sure.

01:15:35
Agreed, better to stop and start

01:15:42
As a musician, I would have assumed something happened. You can rehearse and still have upsets

01:15:54
Make sure when you turn your phone around that your microphone still picks you up.

01:15:56
That was over the top. But I do find a bit of grace offered by the congregation for those they are in relationship with.

01:15:56
Even if they rehearsed, they didn’t tune

01:16:41
Volunteer musicians have their own grace.

01:16:51
I’m pretty sure they had it in two different keys and the saxophone player was trying to make it work by bending the pitch. I’ve certainly had those moments, so no stones thrown here.

01:17:17
It is the duty of the accompanist to adjust not just to keep playing

01:17:20
@Howie - Kenny F#??

01:17:38
The pageantry observation here is dead on—even for IRL worship pre pandemic

01:17:50
LOL @ Kenny f#

01:17:50
@Kip- More like Kenny Gb. (Lame music joke)

01:17:50
Also important for the transitions not be META

01:18:05
@rob dopp - can you explain what you mean by that?

01:18:11
Making the experience into all about making the worship

01:18:11
kopp

01:18:18
@Matt - :)

01:18:23
More like a Talent Show…

01:18:25
Actually, there are different perspectives on mono-thematic worship.

01:18:27
I've had someone get up and leave in the middle of worship … just saying

01:18:56
Implicit cohesion without calling attention to it

01:19:18
Did he say he was going to talk about online worship platforms? Like Church Online vs Amplify vs social media platform?

01:21:32
@Tyler Sit - I don’t think he did...

01:21:47
Tyler- I will put that into our questions as well- this was also a part of previous webinars- but good to share as people are using many different types and trying new things.

01:21:58
It would be very valuable for us in Pine Island if he can

01:22:02
Sorry I keep missing the boat Deb! Haha!

01:22:14
(online platforms)

01:22:44
No problem Tyler!! Such good info- and we have lots of new people- glad you asked!

01:22:59
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01:23:21
I (We) don’t want to lose specificity of the audience

01:24:08
At this point, we don’t have time or staff / volunteer capacity for this.

01:24:17
what about record with laptop pointed at the speaker? good for both?

01:24:19
Online Platforms - I think some things have changed since our last workshop. What was said before was helpful, but we are going deeper right now

01:24:20
ditto!!

01:24:23
too much of a perfectionist to do the pre-recording

01:24:25
Perfectionism is a killer

01:24:44
*Cue graphic to cover up the video cut* :p

01:24:46
Our ~50 minute worship service takes at least 4 hours to edit...yikes

01:24:49
@Rob Amen!

01:24:55
I agree wholeheartedly. We’ve been pre-producing since March and editing my sermons is the most time consuming piece for me.

01:25:05
Less authentic feeling for me if I try to make it perfect

01:25:08
not having a live audience loses the spontaneity and reactions

01:25:15
pre-recording you lose spontaneity

01:25:25
Imperfection is authentic…. You just don’t want it to become a distraction

01:25:44
That's the edited version, Matt? ;)

01:26:02
Spontaneity is about learning performance to a camera

01:26:20
Acting experience helps

01:26:30
what if we continued online live and used the recording of the message for in-person?

01:26:43
Acting experience helps for in-person, too...

01:27:08
I’ve been doing all the editing and sound engineering.

01:27:36
I know a pastor for whom the Holy Spirit only speaks at 5a.m. at the coffee shop.

01:27:41
I think we all have become better preachers because we have to watch ourselves preach

01:27:42
Me too @Rob—it’s killer

01:27:59
We use Adobe Rush, which is intentionally pared down from Premiere Pro

01:28:20
Filmora Wondershare

01:28:28
2nd Rish, it's such an easy workflow

01:28:33
*Rush

01:28:39
We are streaming worship live, but for Christmas Eve we did a pre-recording. Although the service was great, it took many many more labor hours to put it all together, edit, film retakes, etc...

01:28:41
iMovie

01:28:52
We attend pre-recorded worship and watch it with the congregation in the premier

01:28:53
iMovie is amazing!

01:28:55
@David D - same.

01:29:00
we use Kdenlive. It's free, open source and can do everything you need.

01:29:17
Or, what if we broadcast our online live worship into the building?

01:29:25
This third option is VERY interesting

01:29:39
I use all open source software…. So I can control the upgrades

01:30:23
Tight sermons

01:30:27
Covid-19 concerns, shorter in person worship?

01:30:43
You have to devote the additional time to write a short sermon

01:31:06
I’ve tried to keep in-person services shorter as well due to COVID-19

01:31:29
I find that with songs that would normally be sung, that I appreciate really listening to the words and the depth of what the song is saying. Music communicates in ways that just words don’t so I think 2 songs is too little. And yes, I’m a musician.

01:31:39
This is all great but tricky to think of online-exclusive AND something different for in-person, given time and staff capacity.

01:32:19
I’m more interested in adverbs than verbs…. How are you going to do what you are doing.

01:32:20
I started calling the sermons ‘meditations’ to help me remember I needed to be more focused

01:32:56
good plan, Debra

01:32:57
Variety of contexts for online is more diverse… We’ve had people join us from other countries

01:33:10
Yes

01:33:14
Yes - they've been watching later

01:33:14
Yes.

01:33:15
Yes

01:33:16
yes

01:33:16
yes

01:33:16
Absolutely,

01:33:17
no

01:33:17
Yes, absolutely!

01:33:18
Yes

01:33:18
yes

01:33:19
yes

01:33:22
Yes for youtube, not as much for facebook premier

01:33:23
Yes

01:33:25
Live stream continues strong AND on-demand going up

01:33:28
Both of ours have been going up

01:33:29
Live stream is about equal to recorded

01:33:29
That has definitely been true for us as well.

01:33:32
Generally yes but the insurrection spiked attendance (people coming to church when they feel distress)

01:33:45
C’mon we should have had time flexibility a generation to two ago

01:33:48
Yes—livestream lower.

01:33:55
We pre-record; and 20% watch during premiere; 80% later.

01:34:12
We wait a week before tabulating numbers

01:34:23
@Carol, that has been about our experience as well

01:35:26
Minimize assumptions about your audience

01:35:39
There is no way I can ‘count’ how many people attend worship. Our service comes out on Sunday morning as a link on YouTube. Then it gets put up on the local tv station on Tuesday. Then it is watched at the care center on iPads.

01:36:10
We should not be using those kind assumptions when we

01:36:27
‘get back’ because people don’t come to worship regularly any more.

01:36:40
That’s partly why we’re chatty…we miss each other. :-(

01:37:05
We are capturing questions to pose later. You can also enter questions in Q&A to be sure they are asked

01:37:09
Yes Jenny- love this so much! We miss the connection!

01:37:50
I sometimes pretend I am preaching to people living on Mars… how can we be in relationship?

01:38:45
great idea

01:39:16
Love that

01:39:58
unfortunate glare

01:40:46
Hospitality

01:41:53
It’s a discipline to step out of insider language

01:44:28
As an introvert, that is horrifying to me!

01:45:38
there is are differences between introversion and shyness, and stage firight

01:45:43
This is what I have missed from in person

01:45:54
My sermons were more conversational

01:45:57
We stream to Facebook, Online.Church, and our website (but our website lacks chat). Anyone have a video platform right on their website that has a chat function?

01:46:33
Love OBS <3

01:46:40
We use OBS

01:46:40
Loving OBS

01:46:42
Bos yes

01:46:42
Yes!!

01:46:46
yes!

01:46:52
How many people do you need to run OBS?

01:46:54
We use it and happy with it.

01:46:56
OBS is awesome

01:47:01
and we just got the Blackmagic ATEM mini

01:47:01
It would require its own volunteer during the service right?

01:47:17
I run OBS and preach and do not have a “tech” person for our LIVE stream worship.

01:47:18
ECam Live

01:47:23
@Tyler, I believe so

01:47:26
we link EasyWorship to OBS

01:47:30
@Tyler Sti; one person for the computer, one for the camera

01:47:31
Tyler! There is the answer to your question!

01:47:41
helpful!

01:47:42
OBS has a ton of capability. I run it myself with a remote partner to post in the chat.

01:47:50
When we get to Both/And, we’ll need to have one more person, I think

01:47:57
@tyler generally you'd need a person to run it, theoretically it can all be automated, but that's a significant effort in setting up

01:48:38
I’ve found OBS to become second nature after using it every week

01:49:13
Go Steelers vs the Bengals!

01:50:16
This is the time to consider how to reallocate budgets- how to spend/budget money where you need it- in technology- and less in the building

01:50:20
commercial breaks are different for both too…

01:50:28
Tyler- yeah Steelers! We have talk about Pittsburgh sometime!

01:51:33
They're starting to have commercials picture-in-picture while you see a shot of the game.

01:51:39
This is actually Marty using Tyrel's Zoom link - a bit confusing.

01:51:59
you could also consider raising the quality of the announcement so that they are as compelling as super bowl half time

01:53:08
I question the underlying assumption that being together is what everyone wants out of worship

01:53:27
that is a fair question Rob

01:53:43
@Rob, it does get to basic definitions of worship/corporate worship

01:53:52
Rob, I know that many of my congregants have commented about their NEED to be together

01:53:52
yes.

01:54:15
I favor both/ and for community and individual experience

01:54:26
How do you encourage our laity to not regress to the "old" ways. I've heard many say that their laity doesn't think they need to continue online worship when they're able to regather....

01:54:43
Manny need community…. But not all

01:55:02
Or there community need is met in other places

01:55:27
classes taught online meet for 50+ minutes. I understand thinking that online worshippers (new or otherwise) will not hang with you if the service in meaningful and interactive

01:55:40
Haha, the ‘traditional vs contemporary’ conversation is being replaced by ‘IRL v online'

01:55:48
Right now we have to be short services because of COVID in-person.

01:55:58
one question to consider for time of in-person and dispersed worship is, what is essential for worship

01:55:58
thoughtful blending works

01:56:19
There has to be an ongoing lure for first time viewers

01:56:31
Dan and Rob, I agree with the varied needs of congregants…

01:56:53
@Rob, _everyone_ is a seeker

01:57:00
"Using" worship as lure...

01:57:41
Should we be assuming most of us have large clerical staff?

01:58:03
Online classes are like the committed members of the congregation. We tune in and stick with it because we paid or otherwise have a stake in the class.

01:58:08
The big, added thing in this conversation is health and safety concerns related to singing for those gathered in-person. We livestream and have cut our congregational singing to 2 songs with one early and one late in the service.

01:58:16
can't assume that!! some of us are pastor and videographer and pianist and ...

01:58:27
Facebook stats actually tell you the point at which most online visitors are present.

01:58:27
Stagger times....I like it!

01:58:49
Stagger times — interesting!

01:58:53
Clergy couple assembling worship independently with video segments with parishioners

01:59:12
How do you stagger times when it's just you?

01:59:34
I was thinking that, too, Peggy

02:00:00
Sooo many variables….. we probably need to have coaching options in the conference long term

02:00:16
start the worship with singing, then walk over and start the video, then walk to pulpit

02:00:40
There is a follow-up workshop for today coming in about a month. It will help with going deeper.

02:01:01
Yes- thanks Gail!

02:01:03
Coaching is a significant part of the Digital Campus Initiative.

02:01:16
Good to know. Thanks, Gail!

02:01:26
we do communion together

02:01:28
If you don’t stand in the pulpit, you might be able to operate the controls even as you move around.

02:01:58
You can also set up your OBS laptop next to the pulpit

02:03:03
Currently, my OBS laptop IS my pulpit

02:03:26
Josh Meyers is a bi-vocational church planter who help manage media for churches.

02:04:48
Don’t let my chatter distract you…( I hope)

02:06:21
One more…. The ghost of Christmas Future

02:07:18
I know Kelly McCuaig!

02:07:28
Miss Kelly!

02:08:17
Cool idea

02:09:22
Mailing things to people has been a huge strategy for New City in the past season—people love opening special little packages!

02:09:30
We did the same sort of thing with candles for Christmas Eve and with Communion elements.

02:09:50
Yes, Tyler, people do love getting packages!!

02:10:38
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/2KNKCTZ

02:11:12
Time has flown by! Great job, Jason.

02:13:36
A Minnesota colleague - Carrie Binnie - created an online “star word” well for Epiphany that allowed us to do this a couple weekends ago!

02:13:46
*Star word WHEEL

02:16:44
That would be a dangerous thing for me to have.

02:16:46
hahahaha…Star Wars air fryer recipes in the Morrison household.

02:16:47
Real important to rename this is experiment…. And sometimes it will fail…. And that’s okay

02:17:06
Yes I have and that is more my speed. ;-)

02:17:08
YES!!!

02:17:10
Love Menti!

02:17:36
But beware—only the paid version lets you edit the responses, so if you do the free version you might have a word cloud that says “vote for Bernie Sanders” (real story)

02:18:11
I believe my response was “tra la la as a church we don’t endorse a party or candidate. Next slide!”

02:18:12
Hahaha, Tyler - the dangers of democratic participation!

02:18:30
Way to be on your toes Tyler!

02:18:42
(By that I mean participation by everyone. ;-)

02:18:43
LOL

02:20:47
I loved these resources!!! Totally used them here in central ND.

02:22:18
Gah…this just sent me, emotionally, right back to last April.

02:24:29
Future topic: what we do when the pastors are on vacation

02:25:14
Rob…switch modes…Pre-record

02:25:15
This is helpful…. It’s become very pastor centric

02:25:35
We do pre-record…. Sometimes you need a break from all of it

02:25:42
@Steven - what Rob just said.

02:26:05
Our Conference leaders have offered some resources for us to use pre-recorded messages from them for times when we need a break.

02:26:26
@ Jenny that has really helped

02:26:32
@Rob Knopp and others: refer them to other’s You Tube video worship services OR somewhere like the National Cathedral.

02:26:58
#cats #giggle&groans (aka jokes) #wearechurch

02:27:43
@Rob, there are a lot of clergy who don’t get to preach often, and they can now guest preach over video without leaving their house. Asking one of them to preach on your days off is another thing you can do

02:28:43
@Robb…it IS VERY pastor centric…and the vacation/break IS a challenge…I wonder if this season/model allows for easier pulpit-swap/share

02:29:00
@ Hope … a challenge in this time of building an online community….. a different skill set

02:29:27
http://bit.ly/TextInChurchFreeOffer

02:30:12
To those needing time off: yes, there are those of us who do not currently serve churches who are willing to fill in. Perhaps the conference could put together a list of clergy willing to fill pulpits. I've preached a couple of times at my church to give our pastors a break, and I've really enjoyed it.

02:30:39
I would like to see our conferences have a conference specifically about online worship

02:31:06
It’s still a grand experiment.

02:31:07
@Howie - that’s a great idea!

02:32:02
ImpressionsUnlimited.org/midnightoil/

02:32:24
It may be that some of my response to all of this has been to be a little more of a control freak. My problem.

02:32:38
@Rob - We are looking for suggestions about what you what to know. There is a desire to host conversations

02:33:15
@Colleen - not yet. You make a good point.

02:33:27
@Gail… I proposed an online church to the conference several years ago….. I have been thinking about this a long time

02:33:56
any thoughts for those of us with two or more congregations and how we can do both/and worship?

02:34:52
@Dan we have four churches… have been working on ways to get them to interact with each other…. New friendships forming

02:35:32
The MN Conference does have a growing number of sermons and other pieces that you can use in your context. Check out the videos tab under News/Events

02:35:41
Great ideas! Am taking lots of notes! We did offer 2 services from the cabinet at Christmas so that pastors could use and take time off and many pastors took that offer- we will look at more ways to do that!

02:35:46
Anyone had success with Text in Church in the Dak/MN area?

02:37:03
Much appreciated Deb. Thank you.

02:37:21
https://engageconference.church?fpr=mop

02:37:46
https://pro.churchcommunications.com/a/40220/KHmqyzp2

02:38:14
Great work, Jason!

02:38:25
Minnesota also has tons of sermons and video worship resources at https://www.minnesotaumc.org/worshipresources

02:38:25
Thank you Jason

02:38:34
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/2KNKCTZ

02:39:50
Workbook can be found at: https://bit.ly/BOTH_AND_HANDBOOK_DL

02:39:50
Streaming is considered broadcasting - a different set of licensing requirements.

02:42:25
Coleen, you can contact the Communications group with questions specific to your context

02:44:49
I have been telling my people that we are going to be doing this (both online and in person worship) from now on because it fulfills our mission statement in a profound way.

02:44:58
In each of our bulletins we list online attendance - to make the case that new people are joining us online

02:45:16
Great idea Tony!

02:45:32
Or country!

02:45:34
We have received 10 new members who have never been on campus, but have plugged in through worship and online small groups.

02:45:57
Exciting, Karen!

02:47:00
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/2KNKCTZ

02:47:12
Not only this virus…. We have opened our doors to more vulnerable people by not requiring in person

02:47:27
as opposed to just a stationary camera

02:48:23
Nice mic, I have a RODE NT1A as well ;)

02:48:40
Jason, can you show us your telemprompter?

02:48:43
Thanks. Helpful ideas. I like the innovate and try new things different series. Even if we don't have the most nifty digital tech, ways to move forward.

02:51:30
Going deeper - there will be a follow-up session with Jason in about a month.

02:52:01
Both of these link to the same application:DK Digital Campus Initiative: https://www.dakotasumc.org/calendar/digital-campus-initiative-training?recur=1850

02:52:10
MN Digital Campus Initiative: https://www.minnesotaumc.org/eventdetail/14864068

02:52:48
The Digital Campus Initiative is a comprehensive program for establishing and growing your virtual ministries. It includes:Development of the campus leader, a "digitally fluent" individual, who can dedicate 20-30 hours per month over the next year to establish and grow the digital campus.Extensive training for the campus leader and lead pastor to establish a campus using the model laid out by Nona Jones in her book From Social Media to Social Ministry.Continued coaching and peer support throughout the year.A grant of $3,000 to to support the campus leader's stipend. Congregations will be expected to contribute at least $1,000 additional funding to increase this stipend.

02:54:49
Thank you all for being here today!!

02:55:01
Thank you all. Blessings!

02:55:25
Great stuff, Jason. Thanks!

02:55:38
I could use the shopping list for all those pieces of equipment he just showed us

02:55:40
https://guest.ecamm.live/353618695

02:55:41
Thank you, very much!

02:56:02
Thanks, Jason! Thanks to the Conferences for hosting this workshop!

02:56:17
Thank you