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Discernment - Listening Session #4 - Shared screen with speaker view
Allen Ewing-Merrill
02:40:46
Sara shared that letter with the HGW community in worship, distributed copies, shared it via e-news, etc.
Sara, HGW Lead Pastor
02:40:48
https://ostfne.org/
Cathcart Family
02:41:00
Due to COVID, there is no Open Spirit
Cathcart Family
02:41:02
lol
Sara, HGW Lead Pastor
02:42:04
http://neumc-email.brtapp.com/files/imagelibrary/e+news+photos/2020+jan+-+july/feb+19+2020/open+spirit+task+force+letter+to+neac+churches+february+2020.pdf
Sara, HGW Lead Pastor
02:42:14
Ha! Randy!
Allen Ewing-Merrill
02:48:36
When it’s appropriate, I’d like to respond to one thing I heard We saying.
Chris Abbott
02:48:47
If general conference remains unchanged (like it has for many years) what does that mean for a “fully inclusive” New England AC?
Chris Abbott
02:49:31
We’ve been hoping that for years
Don & Sue Rudalevige
02:49:35
Has the Task Force made comt
Don & Sue Rudalevige
02:50:18
ntact with the Western Jurisdiction or is any planned? Don.
Chris Abbott
02:54:36
Leaving with a building seems to have less importance in this world
Sara, HGW Lead Pastor
02:54:53
Indeed, Chris.
Erica Lovejoy
02:55:10
If we vote to leave the denomination, could we later join something new that forms?
Sara, HGW Lead Pastor
02:56:16
Yes, Erica. The future is open.
Sara, HGW Lead Pastor
02:56:33
There’s even legislation for that. ;)
Ophelia Hu Kinney
02:56:38
(And some of the immigrants at HGW are LGBTQ folks looking for safe church spaces!)
Cathcart Family
02:56:53
I'd like to say something
Sara, HGW Lead Pastor
02:58:03
Randy next
Allen Ewing-Merrill
03:06:50
I really appreciate what you’re saying, Randy.
We Hyun Chang
03:06:59
Please unmute me. Sarah
Allen Ewing-Merrill
03:10:44
$381,000 is HGW’s portion, I think. Is that right, Martin?
Cathcart Family
03:10:46
Better stop talking. The more you talk, the higher the pension liability goes!
Erica Lovejoy
03:10:52
If something new forms, like We is talking about, would we be responsible for paying the same amount to go.
Allen Ewing-Merrill
03:12:25
The message received in that meeting was a very firm “Take it or leave it,” which did not land well with those in the meeting.
Don & Sue Rudalevige
03:13:05
Erica's question seems very pertinent to me if it is the AC that goes.
Sara, HGW Lead Pastor
03:13:15
Shantia
Martin & Carolyn Turnidge
03:14:31
I think We answered Erica's question - it depends on the passing of new General Conference legislation that can't come until September 2021 at the earliest
Don & Sue Rudalevige
03:16:29
which implies any discussion of financial liability premature or threatening depending on your perspective.
Allen Ewing-Merrill
03:18:20
Important to note that any decision to disaffiliate is revokable, and if revoked, the money would be returned. I believe that is already agreed upon. Also worth noting that there’s no timeline for voting. We can make a decision when we’re ready to make one.
Martin & Carolyn Turnidge
03:20:06
or self-serving perhaps
Chris Abbott
03:20:45
SO baring any major change in the process we have a large financial obligation to the NEAC to disaffiliate?
Martin & Carolyn Turnidge
03:21:12
That part is subject to a decision by NEAC
Cathcart Family
03:21:29
if they're serious about letting churches leave, they have to make it possible to leave. An offer to leave where there is no practical possibility of doing it isn't really a true offer.
Chris Abbott
03:21:32
ok, so there is nothing that is decided upon at all.
Martin & Carolyn Turnidge
03:21:47
NEAC has to agree the "calculation" of the pension share
Allen Ewing-Merrill
03:22:59
The Pension Board has a proposal, which should go to the Annual Conference session for ratification. I think there’s a chance it won’t actually make it on the agenda, though, since AC is only one-day, online, and our Conference leadership has a long history of pushing controversial matters to the very end and sometimes letting them fall off the agenda.
Cathcart Family
03:23:07
hmmmmm lol
Chris Abbott
03:23:21
Randy, as someone who worries about financial aspects of all of this I struggle to remember that we work with GOD. I have seen GOD provide for HGW and for many others. So while daunting, I try to have faith that GOD will provide for us where we are led.
Don & Sue Rudalevige
03:23:47
1068 was good, Don
Don & Sue Rudalevige
03:24:08
whoops, 1968
Cathcart Family
03:24:59
P - I know that some of this is due to Covid, but it does feel like "they" are trying to kick the can down the road, which doesn't help anyone.
Allen Ewing-Merrill
03:25:43
I’m not as confident about that as you are, We — but I hope you’re right!
Shelly Page
03:26:06
Me, too!
Allen Ewing-Merrill
03:27:36
2019 showed us, among other things, that there is no end to the lengths the “Traditionalists” will go to advance an oppressive, punitive agenda. My hope is that they have realized that while they won the battle, they have lost the war. (I hate that metaphor, but I can’t think of a better one to capture what I mean.)
Chris Abbott
03:28:10
If only there was a way to gather virtually in a way that allows people to speak and listen. And if there were a way to notify folks electronically it would certainly be possible.
Erica Lovejoy
03:28:53
Is there away for the task force to get feedback from churches/individuals in the UMC before making reccomendations to move forward?
Cathcart Family
03:28:53
Chris - I totally agree. I'm just talking about the intentions of the denom rather than the finances of our church. :)
Erica Lovejoy
03:29:12
I assume there was some intended value of meeting with churches, and now those meetings aren't happening
Allen Ewing-Merrill
03:29:32
That’s actually what they were charged with
Shelly Page
03:29:59
Would it be possible to share that information with all churches and then request feedback?
Chris Abbott
03:30:23
I agree Randy, like here is the door (but its locked and on fire)
Allen Ewing-Merrill
03:32:26
I like your metaphor, Chris: Here is the door (but its locked and on fire). I mean, I don’t like it, but I think it’s apropos.
Cathcart Family
03:33:12
We love you, Cliff
Cathcart Family
03:33:18
THanks, We!
Da Warrow's
03:33:23
thanks for your time We!
Cathcart Family
03:33:25
Yay!