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ISRAELI PALESTINIAN PEACE SIMULATION - Shared screen with speaker view
Aaron goode
37:47
how is the voting done? any multi member districts? first past the post? ranked choice voting?
Jack R.
40:05
I always act on the Israeli side, but I can play hamas
Jack R.
42:45
are the leaders meant to vote?
Jack R.
42:53
ok good
Jonathan Gerard
53:54
It sounds like this government is really functioning as an advisory committee to the two governments. Further, it is not at all clear that the governments really do represent the people. The PA executive is now in his, what… 10th? year of his 4 year term? And the Israeli government has been ambushed by the ultra Orthodox who do NOT represent the majority of Israelis but who have inordinate influence over the Israeli government. This Both Israel and Palestine are clients of larger powers—the US and Iran. Neither can at present act too independently of their patron states; they are on a leash. This newly proposed super-government might actually result in a divorce between the client states and their patrons. Is this realistic? Would the patron states go along? Might we try to predict how a patron power would seek to impose its interests upon this new confederation. How would it be worked out?
kapalakasa zelo chiley
57:51
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Rochelle Cleaver
58:33
My voge was negative and I did not vote that wAY
Rochelle Cleaver
58:44
wRONG POLL.
Rochelle Cleaver
59:14
I DO
kapalakasa zelo chiley
01:00:20
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Jonathan Gerard
01:01:57
Shibley is right. If we were to accept a faulty starting point for this, then everything that follows will be useless.
Rochelle Cleaver
01:02:18
I agree with Josef and I believe you do no know what you ae talking about. This session is being hi-jacked.
Len Bennett
01:03:33
The apartheid comment is unacceptable.
Rochelle Cleaver
01:03:43
This session is being hi-jacked
Rochelle Cleaver
01:04:09
The Palestinians will elect whomever they want
Jonathan Gerard
01:04:27
Josef is right: Once such a super-government is in place, it will influence the creation of the two (lower?) governments. Such a super institution cannot NOT influence other interconnected institutions.
Bisharah Libbus
01:06:13
Does the veto power for one government extends to their veto on the laws of the other government
Bisharah Libbus
01:08:08
veto ower for any government should only apply to the jurisdiction of that government
kapalakasa zelo chiley
01:09:04
we need to stay united to support those refugees from Ukraine
Zohar Ianovici
01:11:47
please MUTE everyone
Lily Karam
01:13:23
I agree with Prof. Telhami, this simulation is faulty since the start, you are acting as if two equal entities not considering the Palestinians are under occupation. You are addressing the situation under the status quo.
Zohar Ianovici
01:16:24
NO VETO
Uriel Abulof
01:22:29
Beyond its fine ideals, and certain reasonable policies, the suggested structure reminds me a bit too much of the South African Tricameral Parliament (1984-94), which was a sham. Still, It was so manifestly so that its main benefit was facilitating the end of Apartheid.
Jonathan Gerard
01:22:41
This constitution is based on the model of the American Constitution. This may be the best model, (even though it doesn’t work so well for America!) but you cannot realistically impose such a model on different cultures. This is methodological problem hence anything that proceeds from an assumption that the two states would accept this constitution is questionable.
Jonathan Gerard
01:26:01
What, for example, if Hamas decided—following the influence of its patron Iran—in an economic plan to develop a vast nuclear power industry? Hamas could veto any limitation of this plan but the new super-government could not object to the plan.
Dan Enslow - Haifa Districgt
01:32:14
Over time People of Good Will, who celebrate that we are "One Human Family", have been the most patient, persevering and enduring over time.Our discussions are showing the challenges that still remain, but are still "opportunities" for growth and stimulus for a search for a better way. Dan Enslow
Lily Karam
01:32:43
Well said, thanks prof. Telhami
Jonathan Gerard
01:33:28
The idealism and naïveté in this proposal is palpable but I hate to oppose idealism so let me say this, in favor of Josef: Right now, there is no Palestinian state because Israel, America, the Sunni Arab states (especially Egypt and Jordan) and western Europe clearly all oppose such a state. Joseph’s theoretical super-government seeks to take all this external influence away from the neighboring and world powers and place cooperation and peace squarely in the hands of the Israeli and Palestinian people themselves.
Zohar Ianovici
01:39:53
https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-695701
Jonathan Gerard
01:40:38
Shibley—there is “an asymmetry of power” right now between America and Iran, between America and Russia, between America and Pakistan. Would you seek to “ameliorate” this asymmetry? Are you assuming that asymmetries of power are, ab initio, bad?
Jonathan Gerard
01:43:50
Wow. Thank you, Zohar. The Jerusalem Post is no sefer habahir.
Mary Neznek
01:44:13
how elemental is US enmeshment to contribute to the asymmetry? without the US input would there be a more readily available --such issues as repatrialtion or restitution to palestinians
Mary Neznek
01:45:57
I see security to the harvesting of fear tied to justice for palestinians
Mary Neznek
01:47:37
I am neither Israeli nor Palestinian but part of the problem has to lie in US enmeshment and the diminishing of true democratic processes in discourse in US Congress and general public dialogue
Mary Neznek
01:49:11
The unfair environmental occupation or as Pals say an environmental Nakba, what would be wrong with one person one vote?
Mary Neznek
01:50:08
It feels like the Nakba never ended in the wish to get rid of Palestinians.
Len Bennett
01:50:56
Thee Nakba was a war to destroy Israel.
Len Bennett
01:55:40
27000 Israelis died because the Arabs refused to share in 1947.
Jonathan Gerard
01:57:45
The alcoholic, Mary, is the US military industrial complex. 85% of US aid to Israel never leaves this country.