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Sidecut Tuning Products Workshop for CSIA Members - Shared screen with speaker view
Mike Douglas-Hecker,brimacombe
56:32
is there audio or video yet?
John.Nesbit
56:43
yes both
Antonio Gimenez
56:47
yes
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
56:58
Welcome everybody!!We are recording and we have a French recording from last
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
57:05
week as well.
janesirois
58:42
is it possible to move the camera down a bit to show the full ski pls ?
Peter Humphries
01:02:34
Make your Zoom window a little narrower until the entire picture is showing.
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:03:00
Thanks Peter!
neil
01:03:14
what are the chances that the kid at the big box sporting goods store understands the importance of this?
John.Nesbit
01:04:11
how many teeth on file
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:04:17
Hard question to answer…but typically not great to be straight.
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:05:01
That file is a CUT 16 = 16 teeth per cm.
Deanna Papineau Aromatherapy / Reiki healing
01:05:02
John and Chris :) :) thank you soooooooo much Wishing we were doing this together !!! Like to old days Love the Sidecut tools :)
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:05:21
Thanks Deanna!
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:07:33
Same with the file!
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:07:42
Very important.
Gabrielle Blais-Jones
01:07:43
If the edges weren’t high to begin with, would you just skip the file then?
Keo Horlacher
01:07:55
For the lubrication liquid, does it have to be distilled water? or can normal water work with the isoprol? is there any harm in just using water?
Andrew Foti
01:08:21
What's the proportion again alcohol to water?
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:08:25
You can use normal H20 that’s fine.
claudine quinn
01:08:35
Is there any harm using the Diamond stone file dry? I've never used it with liquid.
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:08:55
John has 20% to 80% water.
Claire
01:10:03
How often would you tune your skis like this?
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:10:06
….note if you want it to evaporate slower use more water….if you want it evaporate quicker use more alcohol = personal preferential.
Marcus
01:10:45
Curious about the base bevel. A shop tuned my skis and they were impossible ski. Turns out no base bevel. Does that sound correct? Just want to understand the importance of the base bevel.
Gabrielle Blais-Jones
01:10:48
I noticed that John didn’t use the file on the main part of the ski. Is that because the edges on tip and tail were higher? Or just because of time
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:11:00
Claire, with STEP 1 you do this once and then maybe tweak it so 2 times.
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:11:46
Gabrielle, it’s because the edges on the tip and tail are higher.
douglas kilbourn
01:11:51
will there be any tips on base repair please?
Benoit Maher
01:11:58
0.5 base bevel would make for a more aggressive / catchy edge ?
Marcus
01:12:01
Typo: meant to say the skis were impossible to ski. Really unpredictable. Grabbing, not releasing, seemginly at random.
Stacey schierau
01:13:36
So if the base bevel was set start of season by a pro shop, then we don’t need to do it again that season?
terri
01:13:40
how do ski is get railed?
Andrew Foti
01:16:14
dry base not enough time on edge
Keith Powell
01:16:35
Hi Cristian, I’m calling in from here in Whistler. I’m on Black Crows and they are purported to be set at 1 degree bevel. Can you go back to less also what’s the best way to clean diamond grit?
Keith Powell
01:16:56
Thanks. Keith Powell
Aldo Gutiérrez Lozano
01:17:46
Christian, how much is the 4 sidecut process?
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:19:37
Aldo, can you clarify?
Anne Rowed
01:19:59
Does removing the sidewall material damage the ski? The manufacturer made the ski with that material in place?
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:20:46
Anne, you must remove it to effectively sharpen the ski.
Stacey schierau
01:20:46
Do you use the sidewall remover each time you tune?
Amir Mallakin
01:21:02
How much material does ski have in side so not to get too much cut off?
Andrew Foti
01:21:06
If the ski has been machine prepped as part of set up at a shop, say on a Wintersteiger machine to set the bevels, is the sidewall remover still necessary?
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:21:58
Not always but 90% of the time you do
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:22:30
Andrew, yes if you’re going to sharpen the edges.
Marcus
01:24:17
Just to confirm, you use the sidewall cutter most times when you tune?
Brad
01:25:04
doesn't the sidewall seal the ski as well as offering some structural integrity
Scott Dillon
01:25:41
@marcus you would use the sidewall cutter if you try to sharpen the side and you don't feel the diamond stone touching the metal edge
Marcus
01:25:55
TYVM
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:26:34
Brad, the sidewall does but we’re removing the sidewall ‘STEP’ right beside the edge
Brad
01:27:00
gotcha, thanks Christian
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:27:11
Marcus, yes correct!
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:27:41
Scott, yes exactly.
Marcus
01:28:03
Awesome, thank you.
Richard (Toronto)
01:28:07
How are you measuring the 2 degree, 92
Philippe
01:28:12
if i go off of exprience using chainsaws the metal gets mangled when it would hit rocks by super heating and changing the metal composition how would you deal with that on a ski edge ?
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:29:02
Aldo, we don’t tune for you sorry….we educate others how to it through our workshops and videos and sell you the tools to do it yourself.
Richard (Toronto)
01:29:04
So 88 would create a more pointy edge?
Scott Dillon
01:29:11
I think a good analogy is like sharpening pencil...old school...when you try to sharpen a pencil if it's been cracked off, you need first remove part of the pencil before you get to the lead :-)
terri
01:30:04
how long w
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:30:29
Richard, 88 is “more acute” or pointy yes and 87 is even more, 86 is getting extreme.
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:30:50
88 degrees is sort of the default or standard these days.
Richard (Toronto)
01:30:51
Thanks, great
Jeffrey Topp
01:31:06
are your files to start with "course" or "medium" or "fine" for edge sharpening?
terri
01:31:19
how long do ski is usually last?
Richard (Toronto)
01:31:27
87 for hard ice, 92 for soft snow?
anthonybenoit
01:31:50
86 is quite laughable: one friend of mine is getting very sharp edges… but at the end of a full day… it doesn’t grip… perhaps it does… but not to his taste no more...
Jean-Marc Charing
01:32:36
the edges of the ski use a low carbon steel and therefore not hardenable. So the edge just rolls over and you can just sharpen the ski until the edge is brought back unless the edge breaks. This is quite common with park skies.
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:32:42
88 for is best for teaching and your all round skis…..87 for your carving skis high-end groomer type skiing.
anthonybenoit
01:32:48
the “two degree” is the “92 file guide” right?
David Koblas
01:33:13
92 and 88 are the same - 2’ off of 90’
David Koblas
01:33:26
Just depends if you add or subtract, it’s cultural.
anthonybenoit
01:33:28
thought so
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:33:59
92 is the angle on the GUIDE but gives you and 88 degree bevel.
Richard (Toronto)
01:34:17
Must be metric versus imperial then.. LOL
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:34:22
93 degree guide give you and 87 degree bevel and so on....
anthonybenoit
01:34:26
😂
anthonybenoit
01:34:38
[richard]
anthonybenoit
01:34:53
👌
Scott Dillon
01:35:13
When you buy a ski like the Hero Rossignol Elite, does it come out of the box with 88 side and 1 degree base bevel? Does anyone know that by chance?
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:35:43
Anthony, 85 and 86 degrees is really for WC Slalom skiers on injected snow.
peter
01:35:48
The lubricating oil/polishing oil any oil will?
anthonybenoit
01:35:53
My Blizzard FIS SL are 87.9 and 0.9 … which comes to exactly that...
Richard (Toronto)
01:35:58
I had the dynastar version and it is similar to Hero
Richard (Toronto)
01:36:41
It had to be tuned to set that to 88
Jean-Marc Charing
01:36:43
check with the retailer, however the most common angles for dynastar and Rossi are 88 and .5 if I remember correctly.
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:37:20
Anthony, the only way to know how exact is to measure with a base bevel meter. It’s amazing how inaccurate skis can come.
petermiller
01:37:25
Are the tips and tails ever de-tuned
Richard (Toronto)
01:37:55
I believe he talked about that at stage 1
John.Nesbit
01:37:58
factory on the hero is 0.5 base and 3 side with the r22 plate
Richard (Toronto)
01:38:17
Removing edge high and blending
anthonybenoit
01:38:24
thanks, good to know!
anthonybenoit
01:38:39
I guess it will be on my next pair though 🙈
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:38:54
Peter, yes to your personal preference. If you’re teaching intermediates and you’re steering predominantly yes……if you’re teaching high-end carving maybe not.....
petermiller
01:39:11
Thanks
anthonybenoit
01:39:29
heat gun to remove?
anthonybenoit
01:39:36
(pads)
John.Nesbit
01:40:09
just use a utility knife to remove pad carefully for your own good
anthonybenoit
01:42:06
BLIZZARD
anthonybenoit
01:42:10
say BLIZZARD
anthonybenoit
01:42:14
or NORDICA :P
anthonybenoit
01:43:07
(I was actually amazed to see how unpolished skis are from factory! 😵)
Lucan Allin
01:43:31
Chicopee!
John.Nesbit
01:43:45
great point Christian love it
Keith Powell
01:44:47
Any need to detune tip and tail post polishing?
Richard (Toronto)
01:45:40
LOL, detuning means ruining what you just did!
Brad
01:45:43
I have the nanox on my Rossi's and it is awesome
anthonybenoit
01:46:22
It’s not the result, it’s the way up there (&down) :P
Andrew R
01:46:30
Been running Nanox on all ski types for a few years now, and I’d never go back to something else.
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:48:04
Tuning choice is based on: Your skill level, your strength (physical), the type of ski you’re on (powder vs. carving), personal preference…..SO experiment to find the tune the enhances your confidence/skills/motivation and above all enhance FUN on snow.
anthonybenoit
01:48:50
I did not know we could smudge BUT MY GUT TOLD ME TOO !!! how smart curiosity can be!
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:49:40
Web page…..Nanox is environmentally friendly, and been used at the WC level for over 10 years.
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:50:38
Anthony…..yes….it helps the wax disperse easier and it’ll save wax as well
Gabrielle Blais-Jones
01:51:01
Silly question - if you rub it on, do you also need to drip it on?
anthonybenoit
01:51:02
It is nice, I used it for “hybrid turns” [hip to ground wannabe turn] down Super S @ msa, it did last even with the river weather type of snow!
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:51:03
Andrew….thanks!
claudine quinn
01:51:29
Does the scraper get dull? How do you sharpen it? Thanks
anthonybenoit
01:51:39
I KNOW RIGHT!!! my gut told me it would save some (on a budget here) IT WORKED!!! :D
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:51:48
Gabrielle, not silly at all! Yes you still need to drip it on
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:52:07
Yes the scrapers get dull
John.Nesbit
01:53:29
what do you think of nanox spray wax
anthonybenoit
01:53:41
no wax = base high/edge high .. quicklier right?
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:54:47
Anthony…yes correct
anthonybenoit
01:54:49
is two 2 days too much (if it is
Marcus
01:54:57
Any rule of thumb for base bevel? We saw the chart earlier. Just wonder if intermediate level what a typical bevel would be, for example.
anthonybenoit
01:54:58
avg 6 hrs/say
anthonybenoit
01:55:00
day
Amir Mallakin
01:55:01
How long nanox wax stay on the base?
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
01:55:09
With Nanox you can often get away with two days
JBlack
01:55:24
No corking?
anthonybenoit
01:55:37
that’s what I got… grey-ish after 12 hours of hard core skiing
Brad
01:55:48
thank you John and Christian
neil
01:55:48
Thanks John and Chris! That was great!
Marcus
01:55:50
Thank you so much for the presentation. \m/
Benoit Maher
01:57:02
great presentation
Lucan Allin
01:57:24
Great session guys! Thanks
Andrew R
01:57:27
Another awesome Sidecut session!
anthonybenoit
01:57:35
rotating brush benefits? & tips (I got yours.. the nylon)
John Schwirtlich-Sidecut Tuning Products
01:57:55
My email everyone John@sidecut.com for any questions etc
Gabrielle Blais-Jones
01:58:04
Thanks gents!
John Schwirtlich-Sidecut Tuning Products
01:58:25
Sidecut.com
terri
01:58:26
you should train people at your own branded stores for tuning
John Schwirtlich-Sidecut Tuning Products
01:58:39
Pro sign up bottom of homepage
Andrew
01:58:56
how do we access the recording as I missed the first half hour please.
John Schwirtlich-Sidecut Tuning Products
01:59:03
CSIA2021 is the discount code
anthonybenoit
01:59:27
rotating brush tips?
anthonybenoit
01:59:56
[BEST MODEL👌✊]
Irene Collins
02:00:32
Great presentation. I learn something new every time!
Jon Tischuk-CSIA Marketing
02:00:34
They will be on the CSIA website snowpro.com tomorrow in the Events tab / National Events, here's the link https://www.snowpro.com/en/events#national
John.Nesbit
02:00:43
nano spray wax?
Otto Stimakovits
02:00:43
otto.iperfom@gmail.com
terri
02:00:57
if I can’t do this on my own, how do I know who uses your technique?
anthonybenoit
02:01:17
are there a best suited rotating speed
Benoit Maher
02:01:27
benoit.maher27@gmail.com
anthonybenoit
02:01:29
got a Dewalt.. it can go real fast
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
02:01:51
rotos 1000rpm not more
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
02:02:00
https://www.sidecut.com/Tuning-Education.html
anthonybenoit
02:02:31
that is MOST LIKELY a shameful question : how do I know my drill is at 1000rpm🙈
Natasha H
02:02:41
how much is the discount code for?
SteveS
02:02:47
Thank you appreciate the session.
[OTH] Dominic Dupuis (TELUS)
02:03:01
Sidecut has great videos on YouTube, go one video at the time
douglas kilbourn
02:03:31
great class thank you
Keith Powell
02:03:41
Chris, what is the discount? I have An account with you. Ibelieve but you don’t have my CSIA code on file
anthonybenoit
02:03:58
It gets us to those angles 😁
John.Nesbit
02:05:15
chris, john, great session wonderful info thank so much for taking this time to help with understanding of what I thought was voodoo!!! cant wait to start
patricia
02:05:18
Thankyou both for your time and the great information.
anthonybenoit
02:05:25
clother’d be seriously quick pieces ‘o clothes!
Stacey schierau
02:05:36
What’s the discount code?
oliver's iPad
02:05:38
great session. thanks
Natasha H
02:05:43
thank you!
joe Ricci
02:05:45
WHATS THE PROMO CODE
Anik Gaumond
02:05:51
Thank you so much!
Gabrielle Blais-Jones
02:05:52
CSIA2021
Kathy Emigh
02:05:56
Thanks for this great session
Erica
02:06:00
thank you!
David Mapp
02:06:13
Thanks Chris and John. Great info! cheers
Marcus
02:06:17
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SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
02:06:18
CSIA2021
Stacey schierau
02:06:20
Saying its invalid
Jeffrey Topp
02:06:25
what type of files "course", or "fine"? or depends?
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
02:06:38
info@sidecut.com
Angela I
02:06:54
Is the wax a teflon based wax?
Craig's iPad
02:06:55
That was excellent. Thank you.
Bruce Elliott
02:07:12
Great session!
anthonybenoit
02:07:12
shameful question, anyone here knows how to know the drill speed… got a standard brushless Dewalt with 2 torques and a battery… don’t know how to know what’s what in terms of speed
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
02:07:17
Angela no teflon.
Jason Tardiff
02:07:21
Honest question. I have never heard a negative thing about this product. I wax religiously and like it so not interesting in not having to do it.DPS Phantom Glide. As tuners your view of that product?
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
02:07:25
Non toxic….
Mike
02:07:33
Thanks guys - great presentation & info
psmith1958
02:08:14
Thanks fella’s awesome presentation, I will review again on Snowpro and check sidecut.com, cheers.
Marcus
02:08:18
Interesting that in pow the edges are so impactful…
mouck donna & dave
02:08:28
Thanks guys. Great session, will be replentishing my tuning supplies soon!
Gabrielle Blais-Jones
02:08:29
Anthony, there’s a way to calculate it online
Andrew
02:08:30
is it normal that ski base developes small concave base areas in binding screw areas?thx
David Mapp
02:08:39
Question for the base bevel: I thought i still needed to sharpen the base edge every time even though the base bevel has been set
Jon Tischuk-CSIA Marketing
02:08:51
Side note, the CSIA will also post the Zoom recording link for this workshop on the CSIA Facebook posts relating to this night
Mike Douglas-Hecker,brimacombe
02:09:55
what nano wax would you use for everyday skiing?
Antoine Villemure
02:10:29
If I tune my ski often, and at one point in the season, I don’t get sharp edge on ice, what could be the possible explanation?
anthonybenoit
02:12:30
so 2000 RPM is not a problem >IF< I apply very LIGHT pressure
JBlack
02:12:32
Any difference tunging snow boards?
Keo Horlacher
02:13:09
thank you for the great presentation!
Gabrielle Blais-Jones
02:14:55
Thanks so much for the presentation!
Marcus
02:15:00
So tuning/sharpening edges could be every few days, or say every weekend if you ski only on weekends?
John.Nesbit
02:15:58
tuning snowboards just the word "dude" between scrapes
anthonybenoit
02:16:25
Antoine has a good question to which I would assume base level is responsible
peter
02:16:35
Lubricating polishing oil will any oil do ie 3 in 1
anthonybenoit
02:16:38
what you guys take on Antoine’s question
Pablo Reitkop
02:16:55
What angle do you use on the side for a fat ski?
Stephen
02:17:31
Great job! Thanks very much.
Antoine Villemure
02:17:52
If at some point my ski do not cut on ice even if I just sharpen them, can it be because of base bevel?
anthonybenoit
02:17:52
Antoine’s was: “If I tune my ski often, and at one point in the season, I don’t get sharp edge on ice, what could be the possible explanation? “
anthonybenoit
02:18:24
told you tony :P
anthonybenoit
02:18:31
NANOX 😁
anthonybenoit
02:19:30
Antoine uses 87 and .5 if I’m not mistaken right Antoine?
anthonybenoit
02:20:20
(could that setting be problematic down the road
anthonybenoit
02:20:22
?
iPad
02:20:25
does sewing machine oil?
Antoine Villemure
02:21:07
If the base bevel was set by a pro shop, then do I need to do it again during the season?
Bruce Elliott
02:21:08
I usually hot wax at the end of the season and leave it un-scraped for the summer and scrape it in the fall before I start skiing, would I do the sam with Nanox?
P
02:22:25
I missed this season because of knee surgery but my skis were tuned and waxed and haven't been used. should I rewax them after months of not being used?
Sammy
02:22:34
I don't understand what is meant by "if you don't wax enough, then base bevel grow over time"?
Antoine Villemure
02:24:25
If I use a stone everyday, do I need to use the 400 then 600 or can I juste do the 600?
Erin
02:26:58
Do you use the training Nanos on your skate skis too?
David Mapp
02:27:33
Regarding the base edge sharpening, we only need to do the sharpening stone if the base edge bevel is set with a flat file, right? was a little confused on this...
Antoine Villemure
02:27:59
Is there a free/easy tip to sharpen scrappers
Andrew
02:31:04
I have often small concave areas for on my base at the same area of the binding screws. I notice them when I scrape the wax off as I need to bend the scraper more to get at the wax. Is this binding screw issue? common?
Andrew
02:31:49
concave
Andrew
02:32:38
I've had it on different sets of skis
Benoit Maher
02:34:03
the electric sharpening scraper is fantastic to sharpen scrappers... available from sidecut. well worth the money invested
Marcus
02:34:05
Have to roll. Thank you very much!
davidzerr
02:34:30
With a >5 on the base and 3* on side wall and skiing very steep and hard snow the skis were hooking and unhooking. are they sharpened to the ends too much?
Amir Mallakin
02:34:51
Thanks!
Aldo Gutiérrez Lozano
02:36:03
Thank you so much John and Christian, great presentation.
Jon Tischuk-CSIA Marketing
02:36:10
Superb workshop Sidecut John and Chris, the Alliance really appreciates these custom sessions for Members👍
David Mapp
02:36:15
thanks gentlemen!
Benoit Maher
02:36:19
thank you gents
Adam’s iPad
02:36:34
Thanks for the great information
Andrew
02:36:34
in regards to davids question, when you detune the tip and tail... is it from where the rocker starts or the ski is the widest at tip or tail
davidzerr
02:36:43
Thanks so much!!
Gareth
02:37:34
thanks guy's great presentation.
Andrew
02:40:16
for park skis is there an appropriate way to tune edge for riding rails and pipe? do they detune underfoot for example. do the pro slopestyle guys do something specific.
Virgilia Libert
02:40:18
Thank You. Great information.
Antoine Villemure
02:40:36
One best stone for what you said on snow
P
02:40:37
thanks guys
anthonybenoit
02:41:17
thanks guys! nice idea, BEST BIZZ MODEL!!!! Keep on doing it!
Aldo Gutiérrez Lozano
02:41:18
Just to confirm. you do the 3 first step only once? right?
Jean-Marc Charing
02:42:37
As a park guy myself I will put a 1.5 base under foot where the rail contact and .5 on the rest of the ski and 88 on the sidewall. works well for me.
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
02:43:33
Thanks Jean-Marc! Good info
cathy
02:44:02
Thanks guys. Great session.
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
02:44:32
Thanks again everyone!!! I hope we helped!!
Andrew
02:44:36
what angles do mogul bump skiers use
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
02:44:37
info@sidecut.com
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
02:44:41
CSIA2021
bastien’s iPad
02:44:41
thanks much guys
janemyers
02:44:42
Thank you.
SIDECUT - Christian Hillier
02:44:51
Good night!!!
Wolfgang Ruescher
02:44:55
Thanks for the presentation, was great!
Aldo Gutiérrez Lozano
02:45:06
good night
Antoine Villemure
02:45:15
thank you