Israeli Literature - Shared screen with speaker view
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I need to leave the session about 1/2 hr early today. So sorry. I’ll listen to the rest of it on the video.
On my computer, Rachel keeps freezing for a moment.
She’s freezing periodically on mine as well
Lynn Levine in Mexico
Rachel, your audio is drifting in and out
It might help if we turn off our video transmission.
need to take off video
My video is off, but Rachel audio is still in and out
I would like to join with a couple of others to sponsor a class.
It’s not an individual video fix. We all have to do it.
Hi Suzanne, Me too. I don’t know what each class costs, however. (Susan Miron)
Is it a critique of God?
I think it's modern midrash
A rebuke against the “loving” God?
In 1 Kings 19, whe Elijah is in the cave, God is not in the fire, nor in the thunder but in the kol demamah dakah
and against the “father” God…
elevating his own father/ humanity
Cutting in and out. I’m losing parts of the sentences.
So is he saying at the end of the poem that G-d left him for strange distances?
I think he's saying that his father left him, by his death.
The poem feels like a dream to me
Yes, but his father is G-d.
god to him… not universal god.
Yes, that’s what I thought too.
In terms of the dream.
This is how we learn to love our heritage, by gentle teaching and example.
I love that moving from "hishtaneh" (thou shalt change) to "tishtaneh" (you will change) is doing what he's talking about. That is, it changes as it says that you have to change.
you did not imply damage
everyone "hears" text and word of G-D differently....
i also believe it is very much a part of the midrasnhic tradition.
there is a rabbinic teaching about how one hears the text, a Chazzan, a Rabbi, a teacher,etc...
thank you, Baruch!
what’s the reference on that midrash?
yes, please cite the midrash
the last 4 lines are the most interesting for me
Baruch, thank you. What reference in Shmot
excellent comment re the V'ahavta!!!!
I meant what reference in Shmot Rabba?
leonard Cohen’s Hallelujah
Paula J: Exodus Rabbah 3:1.
breaking up again
this is not an unusual interpretation in the rabbinic tradition
i don’t like this interpretation… privileges man/ David. Unclear to me why...
I agree, don't like it
especially if he is a secular poet - why protect David to such a degree?
a return to blaming Eve.
I'm having the same problem. It would probably help if people would stop their video. It helps with the band with. Thanks
Lynn Levine in Mexico
I don't either, it feels not surprising, but very rabbinic, always blame the woman.
You can't help but think of the usual "blame the victim" and the image of women as lowly evil characters. I don't like it.
Leonard Cohen: “Her beauty and the moonlight overthrew you.”
blaming the woman.
she is not blameless ..it takes two!
Lynn Levine in Mexico
it doesn't take 2, when the man has so much more power than the woman, how one refuse a king?
Absolutely. Shades of "me too."
I think he is responding to modern events where victims are accused for 'bring it onto themselves', it is there fault
A king who is a warrior is used to taking whatever he wants
but he sent Uriah to war... to get him out of the way didn't he?
yes…are they both involved though>?
I would be curious as to when this was written
Remember that David was not permitted to build the Temple, because there was blood on his hands. Only his son Solomon ((whose name means Peace) could do so.
Only David had the power to send Uriah to the front lines
we are treating a poem like a Rashi commentary
half your comments are breaking out
sounds like a misogynist to me
Please turn off your video by clicking on bottom left of screen
what is our responsibility as parents?
wonderful story about Guri and Rachel
breaking up a lot. can more please stop their video.
she may need a higher bandwidth zoom room.
When I was much much younger I heard a reading and Q&A with A.B. Yehoshua. I actually DISAGREED with his "interpretation" of a symbol in one of his stories. I don't know if we have to go with the author's intended meaning -- the "poem reads us" -- what we bring to it --- that is most important. (Though it might seem silly at first to reject what the author says about his own work. )
The sound is very intermittent. A shame!
you’re talking about literary theory… the differences between New Criticism, Reader Response Theory, Deconstructionism — removing the author and focusing only on the text and the reader.
in other words, non-biographical criticism. This class, in a very powerful way, does not negate the author’s biography or his/her place in a historical moment.
The end reminds me of the madras about Sarah dying soon after the Akedah.
yes, I see that also
No madras - MIDRASH.
missing every other word
Bandwidth issue perhaps. In addition to closing the video cameras, also lower the volume on your computers can help.
a dozen ppl still have video on
particular — the Israelis, those on ‘the other side
and the universal — both experience the grief
This reminds me of the quote attributed to Golda Mier in which she said that peace will come when Arab mothers love their children more than they hate Israelis
there are still SO many people with video on. PLEASE turn your video off. it really should help.
Kitty Hoffman, yes, and that gets to the issue raised by the Poles, if I'm hearing you right. So Heritage is both about Israelis and others, both particular and general.
great art works by approaching the universal through the particular; in this case, the universality of the grieving mother, the sadness of death in war and sacrifice of the children, provides the universal while also presenting the particular
Does it parallel the fast of the first born when we mourn for the Eyptian babies?
The Targum translates yom teruah, a day of the blast of the shofar, as yom yebavah,, a day of wailing, referring to the wailing of Sisera's mother,.
It’s a very beautiful city…
She must have been in the First Wave of Feminism before there was a centrality of lesbianism in the Second Wave. This poem has no room for same sex communities.
thank you so much, Rachel.
Todah rabah, Rachel.
that occurred to me
I need to leave. Shabbat Shalom to all.
Perhaps someone who wants to organize a group could post on the facebook page.