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Israeli Literature - Shared screen with speaker view
Sheri Morrison
06:29
I need to leave the session about 1/2 hr early today. So sorry. I’ll listen to the rest of it on the video.
Sheri Morrison
09:54
On my computer, Rachel keeps freezing for a moment.
Myrna
09:54
hi heather
mitchelslomiak
10:15
She’s freezing periodically on mine as well
Lynn Levine in Mexico
10:25
mine too
Kitty Hoffman
10:28
Rachel, your audio is drifting in and out
Erica Sokoloff
10:30
Me too
Linda Kurz
10:33
mine too
Sheri Morrison
10:35
It might help if we turn off our video transmission.
Frona Kahn
10:48
need to take off video
Kitty Hoffman
11:01
My video is off, but Rachel audio is still in and out
Suzanne
11:15
I would like to join with a couple of others to sponsor a class.
Sheri Morrison
11:27
It’s not an individual video fix. We all have to do it.
Susan Miron
14:27
Hi Suzanne, Me too. I don’t know what each class costs, however. (Susan Miron)
robertakalmanson
20:58
Is it a critique of God?
Elaine Moise
21:09
I think it's modern midrash
robertakalmanson
21:37
A rebuke against the “loving” God?
Lawrence Kaplan
21:46
In 1 Kings 19, whe Elijah is in the cave, God is not in the fire, nor in the thunder but in the kol demamah dakah
rachel amaru
22:32
and against the “father” God…
rachel amaru
22:50
elevating his own father/ humanity
Sheri Morrison
22:57
Cutting in and out. I’m losing parts of the sentences.
A Ginsburg
23:40
So is he saying at the end of the poem that G-d left him for strange distances?
Elaine Moise
24:43
I think he's saying that his father left him, by his death.
mitchelslomiak
25:09
The poem feels like a dream to me
A Ginsburg
25:10
Yes, but his father is G-d.
rachel amaru
25:32
god to him… not universal god.
Sheri Morrison
25:59
Yes, that’s what I thought too.
Sheri Morrison
26:06
In terms of the dream.
Marilyn Fogel
26:09
This is how we learn to love our heritage, by gentle teaching and example.
Thomas Alpert
26:12
I love that moving from "hishtaneh" (thou shalt change) to "tishtaneh" (you will change) is doing what he's talking about. That is, it changes as it says that you have to change.
diane allan
26:16
you did not imply damage
Sigalit Davis
26:38
everyone "hears" text and word of G-D differently....
rachel amaru
26:41
i also believe it is very much a part of the midrasnhic tradition.
rachel amaru
26:59
midrashic, sorry...
Sigalit Davis
28:01
there is a rabbinic teaching about how one hears the text, a Chazzan, a Rabbi, a teacher,etc...
Frona Kahn
28:17
thank you, Baruch!
Kitty Hoffman
28:38
Miriam
Cindy Reich
29:07
what’s the reference on that midrash?
rachel amaru
29:23
yes, please cite the midrash
Sigalit Davis
29:24
the last 4 lines are the most interesting for me
Paula J
29:46
Baruch, thank you. What reference in Shmot
Sigalit Davis
29:56
excellent comment re the V'ahavta!!!!
Paula J
30:13
I meant what reference in Shmot Rabba?
Kitty Hoffman
31:45
leonard Cohen’s Hallelujah
Thomas Alpert
32:34
Paula J: Exodus Rabbah 3:1.
Kitty Hoffman
33:25
breaking up again
Kitty Hoffman
35:28
this is not an unusual interpretation in the rabbinic tradition
rachel amaru
36:11
i don’t like this interpretation… privileges man/ David. Unclear to me why...
Sue Melmed
36:17
breaking up...
Elaine Moise
36:23
I agree, don't like it
rachel amaru
36:32
especially if he is a secular poet - why protect David to such a degree?
rachel amaru
36:45
a return to blaming Eve.
Sarah Schachter
36:47
I'm having the same problem. It would probably help if people would stop their video. It helps with the band with. Thanks
Lynn Levine in Mexico
37:01
I don't either, it feels not surprising, but very rabbinic, always blame the woman.
Susan Mayer
37:22
You can't help but think of the usual "blame the victim" and the image of women as lowly evil characters. I don't like it.
mitchelslomiak
37:23
Leonard Cohen: “Her beauty and the moonlight overthrew you.”
lauren shachar
37:26
blaming the woman.
robertakalmanson
37:27
she is not blameless ..it takes two!
Sheri Morrison
37:40
Exactly
Lynn Levine in Mexico
38:29
it doesn't take 2, when the man has so much more power than the woman, how one refuse a king?
Violet
39:39
Absolutely. Shades of "me too."
Sheri Morrison
39:51
True.
Zalman Spivack
42:46
I think he is responding to modern events where victims are accused for 'bring it onto themselves', it is there fault
Brenda Horowitz
43:04
A king who is a warrior is used to taking whatever he wants
Heather
43:29
but he sent Uriah to war... to get him out of the way didn't he?
robertakalmanson
43:53
yes…are they both involved though>?
Elaine Moise
43:55
I would be curious as to when this was written
Brenda Horowitz
44:09
Remember that David was not permitted to build the Temple, because there was blood on his hands. Only his son Solomon ((whose name means Peace) could do so.
Elaine Moise
44:13
Only David had the power to send Uriah to the front lines
Barb Kessel
44:32
we are treating a poem like a Rashi commentary
Kitty Hoffman
45:01
half your comments are breaking out
Heather
45:06
sounds like a misogynist to me
Linda Kurz
46:17
Please turn off your video by clicking on bottom left of screen
Frona Kahn
54:32
what is our responsibility as parents?
Tova Shimon
54:56
wonderful story about Guri and Rachel
lauren shachar
56:50
breaking up a lot. can more please stop their video.
Frona Kahn
57:21
she may need a higher bandwidth zoom room.
Susan Mayer
57:24
When I was much much younger I heard a reading and Q&A with A.B. Yehoshua. I actually DISAGREED with his "interpretation" of a symbol in one of his stories. I don't know if we have to go with the author's intended meaning -- the "poem reads us" -- what we bring to it --- that is most important. (Though it might seem silly at first to reject what the author says about his own work. )
Prue Thorner
58:06
The sound is very intermittent. A shame!
rachel amaru
58:42
you’re talking about literary theory… the differences between New Criticism, Reader Response Theory, Deconstructionism — removing the author and focusing only on the text and the reader.
rachel amaru
59:42
in other words, non-biographical criticism. This class, in a very powerful way, does not negate the author’s biography or his/her place in a historical moment.
Sheri Morrison
01:00:35
The end reminds me of the madras about Sarah dying soon after the Akedah.
Elaine Moise
01:00:46
yes, I see that also
Sheri Morrison
01:00:47
No madras - MIDRASH.
Barb Kessel
01:00:51
missing every other word
Paula J
01:02:45
Bandwidth issue perhaps. In addition to closing the video cameras, also lower the volume on your computers can help.
Barb Kessel
01:04:33
a dozen ppl still have video on
Kitty Hoffman
01:04:54
particular — the Israelis, those on ‘the other side
Kitty Hoffman
01:05:09
and the universal — both experience the grief
Michael Linsk
01:05:39
This reminds me of the quote attributed to Golda Mier in which she said that peace will come when Arab mothers love their children more than they hate Israelis
rachel amaru
01:06:12
there are still SO many people with video on. PLEASE turn your video off. it really should help.
Thomas Alpert
01:06:20
Kitty Hoffman, yes, and that gets to the issue raised by the Poles, if I'm hearing you right. So Heritage is both about Israelis and others, both particular and general.
Kitty Hoffman
01:07:36
great art works by approaching the universal through the particular; in this case, the universality of the grieving mother, the sadness of death in war and sacrifice of the children, provides the universal while also presenting the particular
Ruth Kaplan
01:07:50
Does it parallel the fast of the first born when we mourn for the Eyptian babies?
Lawrence Kaplan
01:08:33
The Targum translates yom teruah, a day of the blast of the shofar, as yom yebavah,, a day of wailing, referring to the wailing of Sisera's mother,.
Kitty Hoffman
01:15:44
It’s a very beautiful city…
A Ginsburg
01:20:10
She must have been in the First Wave of Feminism before there was a centrality of lesbianism in the Second Wave. This poem has no room for same sex communities.
rachel amaru
01:20:29
thank you so much, Rachel.
Erica Sokoloff
01:21:12
Todah Rachel:)
lauren shachar
01:23:10
Todah rabah, Rachel.
Kitty Hoffman
01:26:57
that occurred to me
Marion Stein
01:29:34
I need to leave. Shabbat Shalom to all.
Marion Stein
01:29:45
Marion Stein
Kitty Hoffman
01:31:16
fabulous idea!!
Violet
01:40:01
Perhaps someone who wants to organize a group could post on the facebook page.