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ISRAELI PALESTINIAN PEACE SIMULATION - Shared screen with speaker view
Rochelle Cleaver
30:59
Now live at Marion Woods, Indepndent Living for seniors in Ocala, FL. Couldn't get phone or internet for 2 weeks. No outside communication. They told me I was kidnapped. I believe them. No one, sister, nephew, friends knew where I was.
Rochelle Cleaver
32:41
So now that all are aware of my situation, I will watch and see whatever I can here.
Edward Corrigan
38:44
In Israel there is no such thing as Israeli nationality but they do have Israel Citizenship but only Jewish nationaity.. You can be a Jewish Palestinian, Christian Palestinian, Muslim Palestinian or a Palestinian with no religion. You cannot be a Musim Jew or Christian Jew in the "Jewish State." How does the IPC propose to resolve this contradiction?
Khoi Nguyen
49:35
Would the IPC give the Golan Height back to Syria?
Edward Corrigan
51:00
What about the Palestinians in refugee camps and out side of Palestine? Also Jews outside of Israel/Palestine?
Edward Corrigan
52:19
I volunteer to be a representative from the West Bank.
Len Bennett
58:30
The map should show Israel and the disputed territories.
Edward Corrigan
01:01:38
Where do the Israeli Palestinians fit in?
Oren Yiftachel
01:10:22
we came to listen to Prof. Smooha, not to argue with him. please let Prof. Smooha speak his opinion.
Roni Keidar
01:17:31
I apologise for having to leave.
Yael Chaver
01:18:51
Sorry, I have to exit the meeting.
Alan Blitz
01:21:27
Why don’t the Hamas members get a vote?
Mary Neznek
01:35:43
would you require settlements in West Bank to be dismantled and right of return and reparations as part of a two state solution. How would you configure land
Giacomo Valentini
02:05:09
Prof. Smooha points out a real issue - who has the monopoly of representing the people? A "democratically" elected Israeli government will be reluctant to cede some of its democratic legitimacy to another body
Jesse Bevan
02:06:05
I think people are failing to understand the ipc is a DIPLOMATIC body with no real power
Jesse Bevan
02:06:10
a third way
Asim Altamimi
02:06:17
Welcome back Rochelle Cleaver
Rochelle Cleaver
02:10:47
It is wonderful to be back.,. HAD NO COMPUTER OR PHONE FOR almost 3 weeks. Moved to independent senior living in Ocala, FL. Seems I am captive here. Now I have computer and some phone but no hearing of what is going on. Except Sammy Smooha must be a relative, going by his bodily exp;ressions and mannerism.
Giacomo Valentini
02:11:01
Can we conceive of a "provisional IPC" which would be not based on a popular election, but on an assembly of a variety of participants including personalities from all sides, which would propose legislation for consideration by the Israeli and Palestinian authorities along the lines envisaged by the IPC?
Rochelle Cleaver
02:12:56
Is it possible that if the present governments do not work here with a two state solution, then this one state solution would be utilized?
Jesse Bevan
02:14:16
we had two right-wing governments make peace
Rochelle Cleaver
02:14:48
Perhaps reparations OR right of return, but not both. NO dismantling of settlements, use what is already there. Either share what is already there or compromise.
Jesse Bevan
02:14:52
likud begin with Egypt in late 1970s
Jesse Bevan
02:15:13
and Ariel Sharon with Gaza settlement pull out
Jesse Bevan
02:15:36
again IPC is a third way for negotiation
Jesse Bevan
02:15:42
no real power
Rochelle Cleaver
02:15:43
Where are the Black Jew participants in this meeting?
Jesse Bevan
02:16:12
this meeting happens every two weeks
Jesse Bevan
02:16:35
the meetings I have been in doesn't do quota systems to get representation
Rochelle Cleaver
02:16:58
If one type doesn't work, uses second type or third type.
Jesse Bevan
02:17:51
there is a book and website and YouTube videos give details about ipc confederation. it is worth a try! I bet 10X as many people would participate in a IPC online vote
Jesse Bevan
02:18:05
as did 10yrs ago
howard wideman
02:18:27
massive dbs and stop usa 🇺🇸 Zionist money
Jesse Bevan
02:19:23
IPC would stop roadblocks of current conditions. let people talk. it's 2022. we absolutely can make this work! at least give it a try!
Giacomo Valentini
02:19:56
No to sanctions against Israel
Jesse Bevan
02:20:34
sanctions aren't working. look at gaza
Jesse Bevan
02:21:17
let's do IPC third way! I have zero faith in Abbas and current Israeli leadership
Rochelle Cleaver
02:21:27
From my experience in the US, it does not have Zionists,, only Jews who are afraid of the anti-Semitism against them. They donate money so they do not have to show who they are but just go along with politic al correctness. They are afraid US is almost like Nazi Germany, at least it is for me.
Jesse Bevan
02:23:26
IPC is not a binational state. it's a mechanicsm for negotiation
Jesse Bevan
02:23:37
it has no real authority
howard wideman
02:23:38
many usa jews go to Palestinian land build illegal settlements and r Zionist
Jesse Bevan
02:24:30
why can't we do another election online? why should we accept status quo?
Jesse Bevan
02:25:14
listen to professor and give up?
Jesse Bevan
02:25:33
"get rid of Hamas?" how?
Rochelle Cleaver
02:28:07
We cannot get rid of Hamas. They speak for Palestinians because they are unable to speak for themselves.
Rochelle Cleaver
02:29:16
Arafat never agreed with Carter because Palestinians were unable to form their own state. That is still true today,.
Rochelle Cleaver
02:31:03
US sells rockets to Hamas and rockets to Iran to barrage Israel with. If US did not sell rockets to ME, Israel would not have to fight back.
Rochelle Cleaver
02:31:55
Wars and armaments in US keep their economy afloat. Eisenhower said "beware the industrial-military complex."
Jesse Bevan
02:33:00
IPC would get away from all this international diplomacy that goes nowhere. IPC is a fantastic idea for talking and diplomacy
Jesse Bevan
02:34:18
put real pressure on Israeli government
Edward Corrigan
02:35:56
Thanks Sammy for your contribution.
Rochelle Cleaver
02:37:49
Thank you very much Sammy Smooha.
Charles Fredricks
02:40:23
In terms of reality vs dreams, Israel is recognized by Amnesty International as an apartheid state according to international law, which is the fact.
Charles Fredricks
02:40:50
Such will not continue forever
Jesse Bevan
02:40:56
thank you prof Sammy smooha for participating. although I disagree with you pecissim
Charles Fredricks
02:41:14
What will it take to budge support from the right
Rochelle Cleaver
02:41:34
The real fact is the UN declaration of Israel, not Amnesty International.
Len Bennett
02:43:13
Amnesty, HRW and B'Tselem are funded by Soros, Fords and Rockafeller foundations, all radically anti-Semitic. Most democracies have rejected Amnesty.