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ISRAELI PALESTINIAN PEACE SIMULATION - Shared screen with speaker view
abraham Weizfeld Phd
37:07
My audio is not working in Zoom right now but i have a question out of the ordinary here to make;
Todd Beblow
38:16
What’s the question?
Jordan Elgrably
38:45
Didn’t Israel destroy Gaza’s airport and create the naval siege before there was a war with Hamas?
Rizwan
42:33
i want to say something give me 5 mints please
shahira haf3z
43:04
Thank you Abolishing the apartheid is the only solution one person one vot
Co-host Dan
43:19
please wait till the question and answer portion of the meeting for questions and comments
Robin Alexander
46:25
It's true: the "success rate" of "Western Aliyah" (from the U.S., Europe, Australia, etc.) is low. Except perhaps from France, where many/most Jews are leaving due to antisemitism and likely will not go back
Naseer
48:02
So excluding All Gaza people because of Hamas? Is this not collective punishment?
Jordan Elgrably
49:41
The Arabs in Israel were Palestinians in Palestine, so is it accurate to say they are “Arabs in our country”?
Haim Bresheeth
49:44
Yes, Nasser, this is the continuation of Zionist settler-colonial policies by someone who supposedly is progressive…
shahira haf3z
49:44
Hamas is the governing party not the common man and women in the street,did any body ever try to find out what the people of Gaza want?
Naseer
50:43
@Haim.. I am shocked that such a proposal is seen as progressive. It is blanketed apartheid.
abraham Weizfeld Phd
51:20
I perceive a problem of the Jewish political culture that concerns both the Zionist and the Marxist mentality. The Jewish Israeli opposition continues to play on the note of what has been named by B'etslam and others as 'Jewish Supremacy', as if one lived in an ethno-centric bubble that only differentiated between 'Arabs' and 'Jews' ! This is both racist and Antisemitic since it is not representative of the Jewish People as a whole to be supremacist. Where the majority of Jewish people live is not in the Zionist State but rather in the West amongst the Christian populations and Nation-States. Here again there is a problem of the mainly assimilated Marxist Jewish tendencies that use the common term 'Jews' as if we were to be objectified. This again is labeling a given nationality as atomized objects of derision for being what we are. This comes from a Jewish Bundist perspective by upbringing as a refugee.
Haim Bresheeth
51:55
Of course, Nasser! The whole excercise of this Confederation is exactly that.
Libby Traubman
52:11
How do we begin to include Hamas so they don't feel they are the only protectors of the Palestinian people?
Haim Bresheeth
53:44
@Nasser - This is part of the Normalisation agenda of Israel - the dividing of the Palestinians into permanently separate entities. This is an evil agenda!
Naseer
55:19
People in Ramallah hate Gaza?
Tal
56:03
Listen, people, instead of shooting arrows.
Tal
56:30
You can listen to an opposite idea by Ehud Ya’ari, another Israeli journalist.
Haim Bresheeth
56:34
I cannot believe the racist views we are hearing here. If this is the progressive voice of Israel, we can and should expect nothing good from such intellectuals racist of the right.
Tal
56:34
but listen.
Libby Traubman
57:07
all the fighting and disagreement in the Palestinian comunity comes from the inability to change anything, they feel powerless, thus they argue over what to do!!
Leahy Ish Shalom
01:00:28
Where did you get this data? Genuenly curious.
Leahy Ish Shalom
01:00:57
(About palestanian homes pre 48 still existing)
Leahy Ish Shalom
01:01:21
If you happen to have a link I'd be interested to read more
Ron Grodko
01:01:48
Yes, me too!
howard wideman
01:03:00
Canada park was three Palestinian villages - I’ve been there. There is photographic evidence of villages removed at gun point
shahira haf3z
01:04:18
yes and this land can be given back to its owners
Haim Bresheeth
01:05:17
It is sad to hear such gifted and influential Israeli author speaking in such simplistic and denuded manner about millions of people in Gaza, or using such stereotypes about all Palestinians.
howard wideman
01:05:23
Sad to say Canada had it wrong to facilitate that wrong against Palestinian villagers
Ron Grodko
01:05:27
yeah, but the interesting thing is whether any old Palestinian houses are still standing AND are empty
Leahy Ish Shalom
01:07:31
illegitimate child of who?
Leahy Ish Shalom
01:07:59
Ohg… the same west that executed the Jews... of course
Leahy Ish Shalom
01:08:28
Great knowledge of history. Talk about oversimplification and retroactive views
Robin Alexander
01:08:39
RIght, Leahy Ish Shalom, there is that, that the west almost exterminated us
Leahy Ish Shalom
01:09:17
Exactly. And that does not contradict the rights of Palestinian's to live in peace and dignity.
Robin Alexander
01:09:27
Yes
Leahy Ish Shalom
01:09:30
But these silly libels don't help anyone...
Robin Alexander
01:10:16
Many do not know that most Israeli Jews are not originally from Europe. The majority, like the speaker, A.B. Yehoshua have roots in the Middle East and North Africa
Leahy Ish Shalom
01:10:28
This whole "progressive" new notion of Israel as some sort of colonial superpower that acts on behalf of the left is absurd!
Leahy Ish Shalom
01:10:40
Yes! Robin, that's an excellent point too.
Leahy Ish Shalom
01:11:07
*on behalf of the *west
Dan Tennant-Ralphs (Madrid, Spain)
01:13:40
Salaam shalom from Madrid ✌️
Rizwan
01:14:36
Israel is an illigitimate child of west
Rizwan
01:15:43
Israel have good relation with turkey and other countries only for economy not for idiology.
Leahy Ish Shalom
01:17:43
Hi Rizwan. You keep on making this statement. And I ask again: How do you explain that the same Europe that executed millions of Jews is suddenly the "parent" of these Jews that literally fled from them? Also, are you aware that a large percentage of Jews in Israel are in fact refugees from Arab countires *NOT* from anywhere in Europe.
Leahy Ish Shalom
01:18:17
Do you have ANY knowledge of who the Jewish population in Israel is. Where they are from and what led them to come there?
Robin Alexander
01:18:22
The majority of Israeli Jews are from the Middle East and North Africa, not Europe
Leahy Ish Shalom
01:19:00
It's easy to speak of this form Pakistan with little to no knowledge and feel so self righteous. In fact what you are doing is only giving fuel to the fanatic right wing in Israel.
syed Danish
01:20:33
This Rizwan guy has no knowledge of history or the conflict. He's simply following a religious political religious rhetoric. He's another ignorant
Todd Beblow
01:21:04
Structure from the ground up is necessary!
Leahy Ish Shalom
01:21:08
Yes. That's frustrating. The same happens elsewhere too. I see it from both sides of the political map in the USA
syed Danish
01:21:41
This conflict has been taken up by the political parties and been exploited well
Robin Alexander
01:21:45
Sadly we do see people with no knowledge of or stake in the Israeli-Palestinian situation speaking, which does not improve matters
Leahy Ish Shalom
01:22:05
Exactly. People need to be a bit more humble before they add flames to an already bloody conflict.
Montana Billings
01:22:06
Thank you!
Nerina Cecchin
01:22:07
Important to hear this perspective
Nerina Cecchin
01:22:20
Thank you Abraham
Dora Bender
01:25:41
thank you for today. sorry I have to leave earlylooking forward to the next zoom
Robin Alexander
01:34:34
He IS considered progressive in Israel
Robin Alexander
01:34:39
I think we all need to understand that
shahira haf3z
01:35:49
if he is considered progressive then there is no hope in finding peace
Robin Alexander
01:36:09
Maybe not right now....but we have to work with what we have
Robin Alexander
01:36:49
There are also many Palestinians, I'm sure, who would not agree to a joint Palestinian-Israeli state.
Robin Alexander
01:36:57
This is a reality check, I think
Naseer
01:38:03
@Robin: I think if it offered us equality and justice, it would be excepted my most
shahira haf3z
01:39:57
the palestinians have nothing now and are being disadvantaged and it will continue to be so,they have no alternative than to accept an israeli palestinian state
Asim Altamimi
01:39:57
Well spoken, Olivia
shahira haf3z
01:40:21
Thanks Olivia
Naseer
01:40:22
@Olivia- If I can recommend a 4th- The other Arab countries
Nerina Cecchin
01:41:10
Important point of Abraham: Eliminate APARTHEID, racism, division
Robin Alexander
01:41:40
Mr. Yehoshua did use the word apartheid
shahira haf3z
01:42:50
if Israel spent 10% of their arms budget on making palestinian in the occupied territories and gaza have a better life we would have had peace a long time ago
shahira haf3z
01:45:44
all this speculation why not have a referundum asking palestinians if they want a 2 state or one state solution?if we are serious about this
Naseer
01:47:50
I think the Israeli have to be serious about any decision
Naseer
01:47:57
@shahira
Libby Traubman
01:50:36
Well said Phil
Dan Tennant-Ralphs (Madrid, Spain)
01:54:10
Principles above personalities
Robin Alexander
01:57:12
In the U.S., the 50 states don't work together very well right now!
Libby Traubman
01:57:12
are you kidding 50 states working together??
Robin Alexander
01:57:17
lol
Robin Alexander
01:57:55
Most Israelis do not want that